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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 00:55 GMT
#901
On May 30 2014 09:45 layabout wrote:
But what is scummy about Odin?

rito and mz both ake sense as mafia but Odin i do not see


That's not what we were saying :p i agree he looks like town and most of us have reasoned out why but you didn't say anything about it or even analyse him and went straight for ritoky (who you've talked about not liking all game) and now mz. So it looked odd if anything that you didn't even bother questioning it.

I do like the succinctness of that read though
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 30 2014 01:01 GMT
#902
So if layabout is town mderg seems like the obvious choice in that cell, but obvious choices give me the willies (even Palmar lol)

I guess it's entirely likely bunnies could tryhard like this as scum, right?

Also the further the day goes on the better I feel about MZ scum...kind of annoyed HF called dibs on it
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 01:13 GMT
#903
Mderg is mafia for other reasons but let's try and win before it gets to that cell.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 30 2014 01:26 GMT
#904
On May 30 2014 10:13 Holyflare wrote:
Mderg is mafia for other reasons but let's try and win before it gets to that cell.

Kk. Let's try and be sure of group A.
Completely ignoring odins outburst, I'm fairly certain he's town and was since he came into the thread.

I want to look at the cases made against MZ because I haven't really looked at what peoples reasonings are for calling him scum. What are yours? Also I can't remember if you answered my question from earlier.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 01:30 GMT
#905
Which one?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 01:36 GMT
#906
Mz only buddied ritoky from the very start and then when the time came and people started town reading odin mz's only contributions to help the game move forward were to point by point discredit everything odin was saying. Literally everything. I asked mz to give reads on everyone else and he did but they weren't anything more than the obvious. I kind of want to talk to odin about his reads though to see if he's kind of similar.

I have a bad feeling about ritoky because his reasons for his reads are poopy and even though his strategy is to get the most points early he placed the cell where he pretty much town read 2 people last in the order and didn't listen to anyones advice about changing it.

In all honesty this game is annoying the shit out of me because people joined under the required pretense in the op to actually be active and a lot of people aren't.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 30 2014 01:46 GMT
#907
On May 30 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote:
Mz only buddied ritoky from the very start and then when the time came and people started town reading odin mz's only contributions to help the game move forward were to point by point discredit everything odin was saying. Literally everything. I asked mz to give reads on everyone else and he did but they weren't anything more than the obvious. I kind of want to talk to odin about his reads though to see if he's kind of similar.

I have a bad feeling about ritoky because his reasons for his reads are poopy and even though his strategy is to get the most points early he placed the cell where he pretty much town read 2 people last in the order and didn't listen to anyones advice about changing it.

In all honesty this game is annoying the shit out of me because people joined under the required pretense in the op to actually be active and a lot of people aren't.

Through the madness there appears to be the background of critical thinking in Odin's posting. The early more coherent stuff included. Not likely faked, though I must say I'd be impressed at this point if Odin were scum---those would be BH lengths he's going through to keep himself alive (not that I am basing my read of him in any way on anything he posted today lol. And i Guess not that BH is so good at keeping himself alive when scum anyway. Guy gets caught like every game).

I agree with you on some extent in regards to MZ---there was also something that struck me that reminds me a little of PYP:LoL and is once again a shit association case.

What are the chances scum Sloosh showed up with his case on scum MZ and then MZ showed up to muddy the waters? Him and Mocsta faked a big argument in LoL that worked for quite a while in their favour. I can't say I'm considering this thought extensively but it just seemed pretty damn coinicdental to me. At the very least it makes me want to go read Sloosh's MZ case (and everyone else's reasons for finding him scum) to be sure.

As for ritoky....meh. It's pretty binary. Either it's a scumplay or it isn't, and I may just look back at his whole filter simply from that context.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 01:46 GMT
#908
On May 30 2014 04:14 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 30 2014 03:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 30 2014 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
mz we've got your reads on your cell, explain the rest of the game to us, who else is scum?

Ok gimme a sec to get everything together. I'll tell you right now I think it's Palmar from B because Palmar who doesn't give a shit is scumpalmar

Cell C:
HF, you’ve been active all game and I generally agree with your reads and your “townpile.” I have you as town right now.
Batsnacks wanted group C to go first because he felt he “had a grasp on it” but hasn’t actually provided any insight into the group aside from his one big post where he “didn’t like” and was “not a fan” of lots of people but did not provide any solid reads. At the moment, only real scumread is me for “buddying ritoky.” His to big posts were a summary and setup speculation. Overall not really impressed with what I’ve seen.
ShaioPi is sadly less impressive than batsnacks. He calls HF, Tamburini, and ritoky scum and then never really revisits it. He doesn’t like group A and he wanted batsnacks to be mayor. Overall incredibly lurky and low content. I had called him scum for saying he didn’t like freedom but at the moment he’s the scummiest from group C imo.

Cell D
Tamburini rng’d a list of scum and then afk’d, null.
ObiWan is lurky as well. Has thrice promised a case and then reneged. The only real read he provides is sloosh as scum. There’s a casual open manner to his posts though imo so I’ll give him a pass until I see more substantive posts. I guess I’m cautiously optimistic about obiwan.
Sloosh is active lurking and he chainsaw’s Odin by going after me. I personally think his case is hilariously bad and because I think Odin is scum, I’m gonna throw down the omgus and say that sloosh is the scum from Cell D. His active lurking and lack of reads is bad enough, the chainsaw is icing on the cake.

Cell E
Layabout has been spectacularly useless, but he might be the scum from this group because he goes after ritoky, but then changes his tune after the lynch on me starts to pick up speed. This is just another chainsaw defense of odin. Layabout goes from saying ritoky’s plan makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective to saying I’m scum for buddying him. The only thing that makes sense here from a mafia perspective is layabout’s play because he realizes I’m an easier lynch than ritoky.
27NB has been active and her reads have been decent. Townread from me.
Mderg hasn’t really been pushing any reads, but what he has said has been well thought out and logical so I feel pretty good about him as well.

So my scum team looks like this:
Odin, Palmar, ShaioPi, Sloosh, Layabout. Most confident on the first two, least confident on ShaioPi .


It's not correct to say I "didn't like" or "was not a fan of" lots of people. It would be correct to say that I "didn't like" or "was not a fan of" specific things lots of people did. There were very few people I actually didn't like.



This was a super odd return to the thread and back to afk btw. Anyway, focusing on mz's reads here he has bumsnacks as scummyish because all his reads are don't like this etc etc which is entirely what mz's reads are.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 30 2014 01:54 GMT
#909
MZ's reads post just strikes me as 'bad.' I can't even quite put my finger on it---there's detail and some insight into perspectives and stuff but I get awful feels from it. He does sort of come up with a similar issue I had with batsnack's monster reads post (though I focused only on my own cell at the time), but I'm long since past the 'he's thinking what I thought' kind of deal with him.

If we're also considering your group I'm kinda curious as to what you think of Robik too. Continuing to look into MZ and people's posts about him in the meantime.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 30 2014 01:55 GMT
#910
Also Poofter REALLY needs to start participating.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
May 30 2014 01:56 GMT
#911
guys I MADE IT HOME ON FOOt!!


I DEMAND PRAISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 01:57 GMT
#912
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 30 2014 02:04 GMT
#913
Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo
Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.

You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?

It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.

ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit.
Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.

I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.'
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 30 2014 02:04 GMT
#914
On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote:
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?

Is that scummy?

I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 30 2014 02:06 GMT
#915
Defs gonna have a harder time with D than E now I think, but I suppose we may very well win before that...

I think right now I'm at MZ/Palmar/Sloosh/mderg/??? team right now.
Fuck your group HF.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:11 GMT
#916
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote:
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?

Is that scummy?

I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing.


I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 30 2014 02:12 GMT
#917
Yeah I think batsnacks may be town.
His response to me calling him scum is odd in a way I'm not really used to---like he defends himself by almost discrediting me and/or tearing up my argument but not in a scummy way per se. Also yeah to post that realization that we win by going 3-0 much later in the game than I did (but it was essentially the exact same kind of realization' gives me decent feels.

Oh and HF this question from earlier btw:
On May 30 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 01:57 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 01:48 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 00:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:
honestly this is freaking stupid

You peple want to lynch me on afk,. but in my eyes all of you are lurkers.
I'm here. seversl hours a day, I sacrifice 3-4 hr/day after a 16 hr day t talk to you.
Qnd you're goner, but fuck. I;m ;lynch foir today?
Fucking lynch me. I;m done with this crap. Maintain higher post limites or laY THE FUCK OFF ME FOR HAVIGN TO PULL 18 HR DAYS.

Odin. Stop it. We've been through this before. This is not how you play a game.


have you changed your mind yet?

In regards to what?


I mean have you made up your mind yet* about who is scum in the cell.

Have you?
I have a vote down.


probably still mz but i wanna look at his posts a bit more, interested how odin can go from spaz drunk typing to not drunk typing so fast

Much like gumshoe (and to an unfortunate degree, Onegu,) Odin seems to me like one of those people who just shoudn't be playing mafia. Simple as that.

So if you're not sure yourself, why ask me HF?

Regarding the 'making up of my mind.'
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:12 GMT
#918
Cell d is literally the shittest group ever in the history of shit cell groups and i said it would be that way and ritoky still ignored it to put an easy free point group at the end.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 30 2014 02:14 GMT
#919
On May 30 2014 11:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote:
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?

Is that scummy?

I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing.


I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere.

So you think a Palmar/Robik scumteam would both try and push me as scum in almost exactly the same way?

Personally when it comes to your group I think I'm gonna go the process of elim route---if I can find reason enough to find Shiao/Robik towny now then I'll be able to vote you with no qualms. Finding scummy things in someone's filter is easy to do from either alignment for any reason and I don't think your comment says much about Robik at all.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 30 2014 02:15 GMT
#920
Just wanted to get your input on things because i had scummy wave feels and more input is always good. You also change your mind a lot
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