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Im just trying to understand if the people who voted the mayor in is it because they thought he was town or not because in my opinion Ritoky shouldve put his group 3rd or 4th in a situation where it could be LYLO for town and since he was our towniest person elected we could do the coinflip their instead of the first group.
If I was around during the voting stage for mayor I wouldve wanted tehpoofter to be mayor.
He has expressed his views outside this game on what mayors order should be and I will go through his filter later and see if he made any sort of comment towards it. I think I could get a good read on him if he was the mayor.
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On May 30 2014 11:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo
Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit.
Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you?
Is that what's going on Cell A right now?
MZ/ritoky are both pushing Odin while the rest of the world thinks he's town?
Who started pushing Odin first? This feels important to me and in my mind almost certainly clears Odin.
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Is there a voting thread or do we vote here?
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No idea who pushed first think it was pretty universal anti thrawn
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I hate hate hate this order -.- it's such a mafia favoured one
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On May 30 2014 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo
Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit.
Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you? Is that what's going on Cell A right now? MZ/ritoky are both pushing Odin while the rest of the world thinks he's town? Who started pushing Odin first? This feels important to me and in my mind almost certainly clears Odin.
To answer you question about what MZ hasn't addressed, if you go through my filter I quoted and bolded the portion of sloosh's case that I think MZ has neglected to comment on and is actually good.
As for why MZ and I both are against Odin. In the first few pages we both got huge town reads on each other and it was a PoE case before he even posted. Since he has posted, I have said I am a bit more hesitant but still find Odin more scummy. MZ has said he doesn't see the town play that everyone else sees and Odin is definitely scum.
To give you a brief summary.
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Really makes me want to lynch ritoky for it and it's one of my biggest qualms
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You should not town read someone for joining in your early game trolling antics when someone else is giving you great hesitancy and is playing solve the game.
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On May 30 2014 11:43 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo
Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit.
Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you? Is that what's going on Cell A right now? MZ/ritoky are both pushing Odin while the rest of the world thinks he's town? Who started pushing Odin first? This feels important to me and in my mind almost certainly clears Odin. To answer you question about what MZ hasn't addressed, if you go through my filter I quoted and bolded the portion of sloosh's case that I think MZ has neglected to comment on and is actually good. As for why MZ and I both are against Odin. In the first few pages we both got huge town reads on each other and it was a PoE case before he even posted. Since he has posted, I have said I am a bit more hesitant but still find Odin more scummy. MZ has said he doesn't see the town play that everyone else sees and Odin is definitely scum. To give you a brief summary.
MZ has neglected to comment on quite a bit, actually. Much like HF I'm not sure how you still find Odin scummier.
Here's the problem I see regarding the bolded: you would think I could understand this since Poofter and I vs Palmar is the same idea, right?
And yet consider the rest of the thread. Why so much contention towards your cell and not towards mine? Something is obviously not as clear-cut as the two of you are making it out to be, and I suggest you figure that out.
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HF I hate playing together with you STOP IT
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On May 30 2014 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
HF I hate playing together with you STOP IT
whats the problem?
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I am quite obviously town don't hate.
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On May 30 2014 11:20 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 08:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2014 08:46 mtamburini wrote:On May 28 2014 09:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 09:41 mtamburini wrote:On May 28 2014 07:36 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:30 mtamburini wrote:On May 28 2014 07:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:24 mtamburini wrote:
As long as these 5 people dont get mayor we will be in a good spot according to random.org Random. Org is stupid in a setup like this imo. Also, you are scum. Im kinda sad that you arent in my cell. Then again, maybe i just like tunneling you. Why would RNG be stupid in this setup? Because it is. It's not even statistically significant in this setup. And it so worked in the other game I played (sarcasm) Why do you say its not significant? Guessing 1/3 in one cell is better then guessing possibly 5/33 in that other game. And guessing 1/2 is better than that so I dont see any justification in your counter point. Because 1/3 is still only 33%. I mean it works for my own cell because i have a fifty percent chance of hitting mafia in my own cell, but everyone else only thirty three percent. That may seem a lot, but its actually not. Id rather base my reads of mafia on plays and their reads rather than on some stupid statistical machine that can't read into what a person writes. In our DM games mafia is 25% or less of the town as we use a 4:1 ratio. Your point is invalid. Sure READS are apart of the game and Im thankful I am in a position to absorb as much information as I can (besides your group being in the last spot) I can explore other possibilities besides my RNG results. Yeah but we dont rng who we think is mafia, then lynch based on that, so your point is invalid. We base on reads. So start absorbing information, and start explorin other possibilities, because youve barely done anything this game. Your post is bs because you get a couple reads and then you use POE as a way to lynch people which is statistics being used. Your tunnel on me is bs Ive read through your filter and nothing really impressed me and you keep talking about me not being here and not posting and are ready to lynch me when it comes to my cell BUT when you talk about the people in your cell you refuse to give reads on them because they have not posted. If you do not understand statistics then do not comment on them.
Ooo, you are really starting to piss me off, for one, im not tunneling you. Tbh, i could care less about you, what im trying to do is figure out the game. You know, you arent the only cell in this game. I have to get reads on other cells, and yours is the furthest from my mind right now.
I am thr last cell, which means I'm going to be in this game longer than you. The rest of my cell (ehich i need to look on more now that they have posted) werent doing anything, and it was just me.
I understand statistics perfectly. I actually got an A in that class, so back off.
If my filter did nothing to impress you, then maybe it wasnt meant for you. I gave my reads on each cell, what I thought about each person, etc. so if you arent seeing anything in my filter, then you need to get you eyes checked.
But im done talking to you. Once you actually do something better for this town, becausyour filter sure as hell doesnt impress me, then we will talk.
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Now that my rant is over, and I am home, i am going to filter dive on the three people for the cell today.
If anyone wants me to look at another person outside the three for the lynch today, let me know.
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Gonna get to endgame and it's going to be ritoky/palmar discussing order abd palmar saying put holys group second so he can't solve game and ritoky is like "k".
Inb4
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On May 30 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote:
Gonna get to endgame and it's going to be ritoky/palmar discussing order abd palmar saying put holys group second so he can't solve game and ritoky is like "k".
Inb4
WTB out-of-game bets
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On May 30 2014 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:43 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo
Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit.
Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you? Is that what's going on Cell A right now? MZ/ritoky are both pushing Odin while the rest of the world thinks he's town? Who started pushing Odin first? This feels important to me and in my mind almost certainly clears Odin. To answer you question about what MZ hasn't addressed, if you go through my filter I quoted and bolded the portion of sloosh's case that I think MZ has neglected to comment on and is actually good. As for why MZ and I both are against Odin. In the first few pages we both got huge town reads on each other and it was a PoE case before he even posted. Since he has posted, I have said I am a bit more hesitant but still find Odin more scummy. MZ has said he doesn't see the town play that everyone else sees and Odin is definitely scum. To give you a brief summary. MZ has neglected to comment on quite a bit, actually. Much like HF I'm not sure how you still find Odin scummier.Here's the problem I see regarding the bolded: you would think I could understand this since Poofter and I vs Palmar is the same idea, right? And yet consider the rest of the thread. Why so much contention towards your cell and not towards mine? Something is obviously not as clear-cut as the two of you are making it out to be, and I suggest you figure that out.
Then explain it to me. Because from all I have read it is all about his buddying up to me early in the game as the reasoning, outside of sloosh's point. I am just not seeing much of anything else being brought up against him in any substantial way.
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On May 30 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote:
Gonna get to endgame and it's going to be ritoky/palmar discussing order abd palmar saying put holys group second so he can't solve game and ritoky is like "k".
Inb4
says the guy who wanted cell D last.....in a potential LYLO....cell D??? Would be a 3 total post final phase.
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On May 30 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote:
Gonna get to endgame and it's going to be ritoky/palmar discussing order abd palmar saying put holys group second so he can't solve game and ritoky is like "k".
Inb4 says the guy who wanted cell D last.....in a potential LYLO....cell D??? Would be a 3 total post final phase.
Why the hell would you ever get to lylo in this game? Ever???
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