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On May 29 2014 12:09 batsnacks wrote:I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now. How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it. I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something.
I will answer this, then I saw a question from poofter too a ways back that I will talk about after.
If the deadline was right now, I would lynch Odin. Now that's not to take away from him at all. I basically had such a strong town read when MZ buddied up to me that I thought thrawn/Odin would just post in the thread, I would say "lulz" and default lynch him. But, Odin's posts were so good and I am beginning to agree with some other people after thinking about it that his choice to attack me is the harder road to take and mafia would likely take the easier road of not going at the guy being elected mayor. However, as of now I think his sample size is too small for those brief moments of town feels to overrule the surge of early town feels I got from MZ. Basically I am not completely closed to either of them being mafia, as opposed to 12 hrs ago when I thought it was an open and shut case.
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On May 29 2014 10:06 Tehpoofter wrote:@bunnies Can you explain what about the whole freedom thing makes ritoky more mafia? I mean you're one of the people that brings it up but to me its neutral (funny) but neutral. @Odin can you explain to me in this post: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived. I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh. If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A. Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too. -Push for mayor super weird -has a ton of filler post -has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. what made Palmer "obvious in cell B"? Why are me and WoS town? @ MZ - What do you think of Odin's entrance to the game? Why is Shaio PI confirmed scum here? + Show Spoiler +On May 28 2014 09:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 09:39 Holyflare wrote: man, read shiaopi's filter and tell me that guy isn't either super tunneled 5 minutes into a game or mafia!
i answer all his questions pretty well and often and then he just asks more and more which I still answer and he doesn't comment on any of them and then fecks off calling me mafia for answering questions too slow lol :DDD HF ShaioPi is already confirmed scum by the founding fathers, not that I'd expect a limey git like you to understand The next post in your filter, you actually say you Don't like bat's first post I might have missed something in context but this is weird to me explain to me how you got to that point. @ritoky Where do you stand in your cell? I realize you gave reads saying you thought it was Odin as mafia or MZ and me. Can you explain why if MZ is mafia I'm auto mafia?
I think my previous post kinda answers your first question.
Your second question is about the first moments of the game. I felt that you two both buddied up to me in a similar fashion behind the power of freedom. It was not necessarily the quickness in which both happened, idk it is very hard for me to explain. The feeling I got from both of you and the manner in which you both cleared me as absolute town felt very similar. So much so that I made a very specific note to myself about it and I thought it meant you guys were aligned together. Whether that be both as town or both as mafia.
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On May 29 2014 12:17 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 12:09 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 12:00 Holyflare wrote: Yehhh bumsnacks let's lynch shiaopi! I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now. How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it. I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something. Already said I'd vote mz. Nobody has noticed odins post criticising ritoky yet because it's hidden in a spiiler and i thought it was pretty good: Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post. I'll post my thoughts in red.. On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him. On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy. So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post? It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it. Click the spoiler for his red text!
Red text = scum slip?
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Gonna leave this question here for when MZ and Odin come on:
@MZ, If the mod suddenly banned freedom and murrica from this thread, then what would you base your read on myself and Odin on?
@Odin, You talked about me, could you please give me some similar depth on MZ?
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On May 29 2014 15:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ok well i just passed out for like an hour or two so ill probably do my case tomorrow or something.
ive gotta get up reasonably early so ill be back tomorrow.
On May 29 2014 15:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: im also glad to see this game is moving along at a breakneck pace.
Holy god, you truly are murrican. Procrastinate off doing work, then in the next breath complain about how nothing is getting done.
Mod, can I utilize my power role now? It is called manifest destiny, I take over someone else's group that isn't rightfully mine. Because the production level of group D.....well, let's just not talk about it.
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I had a dream, that one day that one day this game will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self evident; that all town are created equal."
I had a dream, that even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of scum, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I had a dream, that little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their role but by the content of their character.
I had a dream last night!
On May 30 2014 06:41 IAmRobik wrote: Put me in coach!
I wasn't gonna sub in cause I was scared of rolling maf, but I heard I would be in a group with holyflare and I snap-accepted. Then Artanis told me I'm town and the fact that there's a 50% chance of HF being mafia and a chance for me to shit all over him if he is makes me super duper happy.
Welcome to the game sir. 2 questions for you:
1) What do you think of your predecessor's contributions/where do you stand in regards to them?
2) What do you think of this image?
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on a related note, i will now read the 5 or so pages i missed while sleeping
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On May 30 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Just got off of work and had to take my little sister togymnastics practice, so I'll be updating from my phone.
I see Rob subbed in from someone, who?!
And anything else interesting happen that ya'll need me to look closely at?
currently reading the drunken rage of odin, you should too.
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On May 30 2014 00:26 layabout wrote: Odin i was trying to pick between mz and rito
calm down
Uhhhhhh how did no one quote this?????
What is this about broski?
Question 1: Why do you hate freedom so much? And don't say your answer to me, say your answer to this:
![[image loading]](http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/bald_eagle_flag_small.jpg)
Question 2: How do you have such a 100% town read on Odin, yet you have not explained it a single time in the entire thread. I mean you have such a town read on him that you put him above BOTH myself and MZ, yet 0 reasons given as to where the hell it came from? Hello red flag, welcome to being pasted next to layabout's name.
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On May 30 2014 07:23 Holyflare wrote:There can't be 2 scum in 1 cell ![](/mirror/smilies/wink.gif)
tell that to cell D
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So after reading through the drunken rage of Odin and some of Meapak's responses, I don't really feel like I have been moved all that much from my previous stance.
I think Odin's level of frustration is not particularly alignment indicative for me, but if someone has meta information about when/if he rages as certain alignments or both that could be helpful. I think his frustration comes from a position of entering late into a game into the group going first that has two people who were being read as town by much of the game at the time he entered. But again, to me that doesn't give me much alignment information, could be frustrated town or frustrated mafia. It also makes it so that nearly half of the posts he put out are a wash.
The thing that gave me pause about Odin when he entered the thread was his choice of who to pursue as the scum in his cell. He chose me. At first I had a bit of an OMGUS reaction to it, but then I read some of what HolyFlare was saying about it and it made a lot of sense. Mostly about how that was the less optimal and more difficult path. The easier path would be to not target the guy being elected mayor and to push on MZ for the sheeping/buddying.
But I mean, that is kinda where he has ended up at now. And I also feel that a lot of his reasoning behind his suspicions of MZ are just taken directly from sloosh's post (which I personally think brings up the best point against MZ thus far that he hasn't actually responded to). I also dislike a lot of his talk and conclusions about the other cells a lot more than I dislike MZ's, but there's also a lot of prodding and questioning in Odin's which is a + point, whereas MZ's is a lot of summary information.
However, the biggest thing stopping me from just locking a vote on Odin is the point sloosh made about MZ toward the end of his accusation. You see, a lot of people have been critical of MZ for basically how the first page of his filter is him saying he has a town read on me, sheeping me hard, and spewing freedom. Which is fine, that can be part of your read, but if that is all of your reasoning like it is for a few people; well then you need further examination (especially given that I feel MZ has given a lot more content than just that to comment on). BUT back to sloosh's point:
On May 29 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:I'm reasonably sure that Meapak_Ziphh is the scum in Cell A. I believe his strategy is to buddy up hard to one member to get support for lynching the other. Namely, buddying up to ritoky to lynch thrawn, now replaced with Odin. Take one of his starting posts: Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Where are my cell mates?
I want to analyze the shit out of them This is quickly followed with a slew of Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor I also know who the scum is in my cell.
Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now <eagle-American-flag-erection.gif> Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm so hard right now What is with all you boys getting hard. It's mafia. Not sex. Also ritoky i give you 9/10 for the freedom messup. We use our penises to scum hunt. I've already caught thrawn and shaiopi with mine, you lack a penis and haven't caught anyone. Coincidence? I think not... And you are so sure on them, aren't you? Why? What is your evidence. though i agree a bit with shaiopi. He seems to be wanting to disregard holyflare entirely. And the tone of his posts throw me off. I like hf. But that could be due to the cute kitty. I may lack a penis, but I have women's intuition, and boobs and a vagina. Sorry but way more powerful than your penis. My evidence against thrawn is that he must be scum since ritoky and myself are both town My evidence against Shaiopi is that he hates freedom. Two ironclad cases and I'm just getting warmed up. Ohhh.. Process of elimination. Didn't realize he was in your cell. I should probably look at that list. Okay, so why is ritoky more town than thrawn? Has he even (thrawn) commented on anything yet? And are you just basing that case on his mayor post? Also, if you like ritoky for his post(if thats the reason why) what do you not like about hf? George Washington himself personally told me ritoky was town. He said that we must rebel against King Thrawn the third.
King Thrawn has not commented on anything yet, he is crazy after all. The problem with HF is that he included kittens, a sure sign of weakness. Also I may still want to policy lynch him after golden sun, I haven't decided on that yet. + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness, I actually have a really good townread off of ritoky based on that post alone. It may change (I would be crushed if it had to) but that sort of entry into the thread is the antithesis of what I'd expect him to do as scum. If anyone has meta arguments against my gut (and George Washington), better tell me now. This post is roughly an hour or so after the game has started. Thrawn hasn't posted at this point, and ritoky's only post at this point is his platform post. The only reason why Meapak would act this way as town is if he had a rock solid conviction that ritoky was absolutely 100% town, going solely off his mayor platform post, so much so that no matter what thrawn posts, it wouldn't affect his read. This is absurd. There is no way anyone could have gotten such a strong read off 1 post. And here is the clincher: Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:31 ritoky wrote:Personally, I find it strange that holyflare has not commented at all on the strongest case against him as mayor to this point. It may just be that he has been floored by the light of freedom and cannot rebut the awesome truth of murrica. Unlike shiaopi's claims of me being lazy and disappearing from the thread claim, I have no intentions of going quietly into the night. Those of us who fight for freedom day in and day out realize the hard work that it entails. We pull ourselves up by our boot straps, put on our pants one leg at a time, and work to rid the world of all that opposes the power of freedom. We know freedom isn't free. (please click for reference) Furthermore the founding father of freedom, George Washington, has reminded me of 2 things: always trust in the power of freedom and murricans always are first. So to further my case for mayor, I propose that Cell A goes first. It also contains the most obvious scum currently in the case of Thrawn, who clearly hates freedom. The founders themselves approve of this plan. Elect Ritoky so that Cell A can go first<ron swanson flag.gif> Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 28 2014 07:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ritoky and thrawn huh? One of you is scum and you're going down the hard way.
Also no to HF as mayor, I'd rather RNG mayor... Dear god RNG already. Did we not learn our lesson in Golden Sun? Although I think that bringing up the bad idea of Rng makes you more town in that mafia would most likely want to secure mayor for themselves leaving it up to RNG sounds more towny thought process but a bad idea. Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing! So, we lynching Plammar? No bbz we lynch thrawn after we elect ritoky. Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ##Vote: Ritoky
I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.
That said you should obviously vote for freedom <eagle / flag / america .gif> By lynching into Cell A first, there are absolutely no repercussions. He can say whatever he wants about the other cells, he could bus as hard as he wants, it doesn't matter if he doesn't actually flip since no one can call him out for it. He equates voting Cell A with freedom, which is actually a non reason. He clearly wants cell A to go first, but offers no analysis of why this would be the best course of action. Instead, all he sees is get Cell A first, lynch thrawn, who cares about the rest.
This is indicative of scum mentality, as town would definitely consider how to order things even after they are gone, whereas scum can have their teammates figure out the leftovers.
I believe ritoky has shown good analysis (when it came to actually deciding total cell order), and Odin's first few posts look like he is trying to figure out ritoky. Meapak has done neither, his filter is full of fluff and he is trying to get away with it with a D1 mislynch.##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
I think the bolded part is more interesting than the buddying up early stuff that everyone else seems hung up on.
All of this said, I still think as of right now Odin is more of the scum than MZ. I have come down a bit on MZ since the start of the game, but not enough to call Odin more town.
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On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit. Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.'
Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now.
If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it.
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On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit. Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town?
I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing.
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On May 30 2014 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit. Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you? Is that what's going on Cell A right now? MZ/ritoky are both pushing Odin while the rest of the world thinks he's town? Who started pushing Odin first? This feels important to me and in my mind almost certainly clears Odin.
To answer you question about what MZ hasn't addressed, if you go through my filter I quoted and bolded the portion of sloosh's case that I think MZ has neglected to comment on and is actually good.
As for why MZ and I both are against Odin. In the first few pages we both got huge town reads on each other and it was a PoE case before he even posted. Since he has posted, I have said I am a bit more hesitant but still find Odin more scummy. MZ has said he doesn't see the town play that everyone else sees and Odin is definitely scum.
To give you a brief summary.
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On May 30 2014 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 11:43 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.
You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?
It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.
ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit. Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.
I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you? Is that what's going on Cell A right now? MZ/ritoky are both pushing Odin while the rest of the world thinks he's town? Who started pushing Odin first? This feels important to me and in my mind almost certainly clears Odin. To answer you question about what MZ hasn't addressed, if you go through my filter I quoted and bolded the portion of sloosh's case that I think MZ has neglected to comment on and is actually good. As for why MZ and I both are against Odin. In the first few pages we both got huge town reads on each other and it was a PoE case before he even posted. Since he has posted, I have said I am a bit more hesitant but still find Odin more scummy. MZ has said he doesn't see the town play that everyone else sees and Odin is definitely scum. To give you a brief summary. MZ has neglected to comment on quite a bit, actually. Much like HF I'm not sure how you still find Odin scummier.Here's the problem I see regarding the bolded: you would think I could understand this since Poofter and I vs Palmar is the same idea, right? And yet consider the rest of the thread. Why so much contention towards your cell and not towards mine? Something is obviously not as clear-cut as the two of you are making it out to be, and I suggest you figure that out.
Then explain it to me. Because from all I have read it is all about his buddying up to me early in the game as the reasoning, outside of sloosh's point. I am just not seeing much of anything else being brought up against him in any substantial way.
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On May 30 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote: Gonna get to endgame and it's going to be ritoky/palmar discussing order abd palmar saying put holys group second so he can't solve game and ritoky is like "k".
Inb4
says the guy who wanted cell D last.....in a potential LYLO....cell D??? Would be a 3 total post final phase.
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i have like 8 pages to catch up on
##Vote: Odinofpergo
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On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you? I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)
As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.
What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin? I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch. As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia.
to be fair, i was the doctor in that game, so i felt i had to play more timid.
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On May 31 2014 04:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:So now odin: I like his initial post into the thread. Even though many people were seeing ritoky as town over mz, odin calls ritoky out for the following: Then he also give reads for other cells, not just his own. This seems like a more townie thing to do, + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived. I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh. If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A. Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too. -Push for mayor super weird -has a ton of filler post -has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. he seems to call out mderg for inconsistencies he found in mdergs posting, which I also find more townie. Also, odin sticks for hhis reasoning to not vote for ritoky, rather than going for the popular consensus of most of the town. The odin drunk progression confuses the hell out of me, especially since no one was voting him, just placing suspicion on him. i felt he got way super defensive for absolutely nothing, and i think is actually more mafia indicative now that i read more through it than townie. also, odin's following post is actually pretty good. I think he defends himself pretty well in the boldedd part, and the fact that mz brings up the red text as scummy, seems like a last chance type thing to have something against odin Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 22:21 OdinOfPergo wrote:Damnit this is what I get for not previewing things I type. Cleaned up for ease of reading. Added a few [/.b] tags I missed. Also yes, absolutely do open the spoiler tags. On May 29 2014 22:12 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok, so I'm just going to address this first since it's the most recent. On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote: Gonna leave this question here for when MZ and Odin come on:
@MZ, If the mod suddenly banned freedom and murrica from this thread, then what would you base your read on myself and Odin on?
@Odin, You talked about me, could you please give me some similar depth on MZ? I was initially all over you for the lulz mostly, I thought your intro post was good and not something scum would do but I really had no idea how things would pan out. Since then my initial judgement has been reaffirmed, I'd be townreading you right now even without the America stuff. Confirming someone as town like 1 hour into the game for lulz? I don't even really think it was for the lulz. Iirc you were the one who posted a little while after this saying it was the complete "anti" something or other of Rit's scum play. How in your mind is anyone else suppose to se that as a "lulz" read?Right now I'm actually baffled by the people who think Odin is town. He came in, made four posts and peaced. People are jacking off to how "protown" they were but honestly that's more just people repeating stuff that HF said. Because there are so few, let's take a quick look at these posts, since the way people are describing them I think some have forgotten what he actually said: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived. I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh. If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A. Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too. -Push for mayor super weird -has a ton of filler post -has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. Firstly, his criticism of ritoky rings very hollow. He calls him out for wanting his cell to go first which is odd because when ritoky ran for mayor, there was no indication of who was going to be active or inactive is impossible to tell. This means ritoky's mayor run can't have been a scum plot from the start. So because it's early game, there is no possible way mafia would run for mayor? What does who's going to be lurky and what not even matter for that tbh? Like, by the time a mayor gains traction and OBVIOUSLY by the time he is elected, they will have a pretty good idea. So why exactly can Rit's mayor push in no way be by possible mafia? Does that also make HF 100% confirmed town to you too now? This game must be easy for a player of your caliber. So many confirmed people in your mind, it makes me wonder if you already knew alignments or something. That's not the only issue I have with this post. The one person who Odin actually calls out is the beleaguered Palmar who basically everyone wants to lynch at this point. That's just a very weak read and Palmar is probably a pretty good bus target right now for scum under fire to gain some cred off of. My thoughts on Palmar at the time (still to date) are not plainly obvious.. Let me re-iterate for you. -Palmar claims anti town. -? I don't even understand how you are calling my read "weak" If so why/how are you justifying it for literally everyone else?Odin finishes this post by doing something I personally hate which is telling everyone about something someone did and then not drawing any concrete conclusions. He starts with HF and concludes that "HF does this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum." Fantastic, why did we need to know that? HF is in no immediate danger of dying so why the need to inform the thread about your confusion, it's nothing more than a soft defense of HF without actually coming out and saying it. Well obviously not all of us agree that because HF first post like half an hour into the game was a mayor push makes him confirmed town. Please guide us. And yes, I was defending HF if that wasn't obvious. I didn't have a strong read on him at the time and it's funny that you are trying to throw dirt on me over and over again here for not knowing knowing peoples alignments.He then comments that layabout hasn't done anything, once again a very easy thing to say. Read belowLastly, he bring up mderg's progression on rit for mayor and calls in "unnatural." Ironically enough, the manner in which he presents the progression is honestly pretty logical to me and this just seems like an attempt to throw dirt on mderg without actually calling him scummy. Ok your last two points are actually one point. I mentioned before I was confused between mderg/Laya. So of course I'm going to explain why I think each of them are questionable. You are saying that you would of preferred I had just popped into thread and been like, "meh no clue" with 0 explanation? Furthermore, you completely ignore the convo me and mderg had at that time. Why do you think I did that? I asked him about his thought process because his didn't make sense to me. He did give it to me, and if it wasn't clear from my response to his response, the post of mine you later quote where I am replying to him obviously was me more trying to feel out mderg. + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. I HATE posts like this. Rit seems to be making friends, does that make him scum? Rit's posting feels forced, does that make him scum? It's elaborate and gives you bad vibes, does that make him scum? Odin presents a lot of things rit is doing and neither gives examples of why he feels that way or makes a solid conclusion. Like, c'mon man, you KNOW that either rit or I have to be scum. For some reason it's incredibly hard for odin to form a solid read (other than Palmar lol). When I started off the game I wanted to solve my own cell first because I had a whopping 50% chance of doing that. HF mentioned that one of the things he liked about odin was that he was reading the whole game. That's great, but at this point he can't even give a solid read on his own cell which honestly just screams scum who's not certain which cell member he'll have a better chance to misslynch. And you present a lot of things like unless you already know it for a fact you should just shush up and not talk about it. If I don't understand something (Yes, believe it or not this happens pretty often..) I ask questions about it. I don't mind if you don't like those questions. But I don't understand how you are scum reading me for trying to come to solid conclusions.+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post. I'll post my thoughts in red.. Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him. On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy. So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post? It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it. Ok this post is gonna be rough, bear with me. I'm first gonna talk about why the red on the innermost quote is wrong. His first read paragraph reads like a scum scared to get lynched. He freakin references the scum team laughing at him dying which is just so alarmist as to be comical. He once again calls rit's play "odd." Like what the fuck does that even mean? Is that scummy? We don't know because odin doesn't take a stand Odd-differing in nature from what is ordinary, usual, or expected: an odd choice. Rit's post felt weird to me. They didn't sit right. I still don't necessarily agree with them, but I'm starting to come around to maby understanding his logic behind them. Let me give you an example of something that I find odd. You, throwing dirt at me over and over and over again for trying to come to conclusions instead of already having them. I'm sorry, not everyone get's to be scum MZ. Some of us actually have to try to play the game to discern alignments of other players. Next red paragraph: His whole fault with rit's plan is that he thinks it opens the opportunity for a mislynch, also he calls our Palmar, his only real read, again. Next red paragraph: here's he's just trying to create a problem, ritkoy wants to kill Palmar just as much as odin supposedly does, however he feels the need to once again say that something is off because rit won't put B in front of C, DESPITE the fact that rit literally says in his post that he'd be willing to change the order. This smacks of willful missreading on the part of odin. Your argument against me is: -Odin thinks it's funny that Rit doesn't want to put his second highest scum read at the time to the rope before his null reads. -Rit did say that. but by the time I had replied to this, Rit had made a pretty strong suggestion that he was going to put Cell C in front of B. So your point is out-dated and trying intent fully to misrepresent what I said.Last red paragraph: he's butthurt everyone wants A to go first because nobody wants to deal with a group where no one has posted. But odin once again construes this as bad because clearly rit is plotting with me Yes one of you is conspiring with the other. That much I know. Who's pocket is in whoms, I wasn't sure about. But my catch up today leads me to lean towards Rit's actions being genuinely gung hoe town, you as scum being estatic to have such a useful face man, and just sheeping everything he says.In conclusion, odin says the post is "fishy" and "has an obvious agenda." Really? You just fucking analyzed this dude in red text and you can't take a strong position on it? The only agenda I saw reading this post was the one where odin portrayed ritoky as scummy for putting D and E last when that's what literally everyone in the thread wanted. I really feel like people either only red the read text or didn't read the post at all because there is nothing about this post that "looks good" or "looks town." This feels like a contrived mess from a scum who's been caught and isn't sure which misslynch will be his saving grace. Odin has been tunnel city on ritoky and still can't even call him scum. I used red text last time because I thought it would be easier to read. Here I used bolded this time, better? So freaking what? Maby I'll use yellow next time around. Who knows! And the fact you say I didn't come to a conclusion from it is just a blatant lie. If it was not obvious from my analysis on what my thoughts about Rit were at the time then.. I dunno, sorry I guess for not stating in italicized capital bold letters that I thought Rit was the probable scum in my group? Even more so that said analysis wasn't even directed at Rit and more in response to mderg while I tried to understand his thought process? + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 04:59 OdinOfPergo wrote: Well I have to work tonight. So I won't be around much longer.
I don't want Rit for mayor. Reasons I already said. ##Vote:batsnacks
His last chance to produce an actual read and the best he can do is say he doesn't want rit for mayor and votes batsnacks. This vote is odd as a townie because batsnacks doesn't want B to go first which was odin's whole problem with ritoky's plan, however as a scum it makes sense because it puts C first so Odin won't be under fire right away. I voted the only mayor wagon that was not Rit because I was fairly concerned with Rit at the time. Excuse me for trying to prevent him from dictating what I saw, and still see as a easy mis-lynch opportunity. The only thorn in your side on this plan is, I replaced into it. I highly encourage everyone to actually read odin's filter (it's short I promise and it's all in this post in case you forget) because I feel like at the moment there are people parroting what others have said regrading odin's towniness. So i think you can tell where i am leaning on Odin atm. Also, MZ, im not seeing what you are talking about his complete 180 from ritoky to you. If you can point it out a bit better, because im not seeing it. It seems like a natural progression from being a bit iffy on ritoky, to thinking you are scum, and giving reasonings for it.
People have asked that given my posts, and how I find things scummy about MZ's more recent stuff; why haven't I flipped. 2 reasons: 1) My huge early town read on MZ; 2) This point made by MZ.
Clearly if you did not find it, then you didn't read his filter very well. A lot of the points Odin makes are in nested quotes.
Let's look into his first 4 posts, and see how many times he goes after me, and how many times he goes after MZ. (All of this occurs before I am elected mayor):
On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived. I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh. If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A. Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too. -Push for mayor super weird -has a ton of filler post -has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural.
QUOTE]On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before.
What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. [/QUOTE]
On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post. I'll post my thoughts in red.. Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him. On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy. So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post? It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it.
Read the red text in that one, you'll find that even though it is a response to MZ, it is all about me and me having an agenda.
On May 29 2014 04:59 OdinOfPergo wrote: Well I have to work tonight. So I won't be around much longer.
I don't want Rit for mayor. Reasons I already said. ##Vote:batsnacks
So now that we have established that in his first 4 posts he has literally said nothing about MZ and everything has been about me, what has happened to make him shift gears?
On May 29 2014 22:12 OdinOfPergo wrote: So because it's early game, there is no possible way mafia would run for mayor? What does who's going to be lurky and what not even matter for that tbh? Like, by the time a mayor gains traction and OBVIOUSLY by the time he is elected, they will have a pretty good idea. So why exactly can Rit's mayor push in no way be by possible mafia?
Part of his next quote, well he hasn't shifted gears yet.
On May 29 2014 22:53 OdinOfPergo wrote: I mean also, like the fact both of you are doing it is a real head scratcher to me. More so if you are actually town Rit. You obviously realize from that post "So deep in my pocket" that scum could easily be vying for your attention. Why let it slide then? You acknowledge the problem could exist, but do absolutely nothing to prevent it.
Still hasn't shifted.
Then suddenly, he town reads HolyFlare and poofter in a very large post and both basically tell him "hey, that ship has sailed, ritoky isn't mafia; move on"
And what happens next?
On May 30 2014 15:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: I'm town, right now and other than the fact that neither one of Rit or MZ seem to be honestly trying to deduce my alignment I think Rit is the townier of the group for at least taking stabs at trying for the rest of the game.
I just skimmed the thread real fast though but iirc he says something like "MZ my freedombuddy obv just based on that alone still think Odin is the scum. Freedom never lies!" or at least along those lines. His town read on MZ is based on terrible logic. And his scum read on me is worse. But only one of them can be scum.
And since MZ's soles contribution to this game is hard buddying 1 hr into it. Following up with trying to get me lycnhed is just so bad. Like he's pretty much saying he knows, as a fact, that Rit is town, and I am scum. He never tries to figure it out. He just knows. There is only 1 faction that knows alignments of every player. It's the opposite of mine.
Like, I don't understand how you don't see what MZ is talking about. Half of this guy's filter is tunnel on me, then he gets drunk and frustrated; wakes up the next day, listens to HF and poofter about me being town, and then tunnels on the other guy.
He makes nearly 0 comments about MZ until AFTER his drunken posts. How is that not a complete 180?
The fact that you don't see it is beyond me.
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well with just about 5 minutes left looks like MZ is going down ![](/mirror/smilies/frown.gif)
i hope you guys were right and my read was wrong. i just want to assure you, as the thread has some doubters: I am 100% town. If MZ flips town, then Odin was the mafia. Use this 50/50 to gain information. If you don't trust me, then trust this:
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And this
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And lastly this
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