You Only Shoot Once Mafia

On April 15 2014 14:19 Blazinghand wrote:
/in

I will not run climb or jump. I will not sit kneel or lie down. I will not spam either.

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On April 26 2014 20:40 Ace wrote:
You guys believing Caller's nuke is real? :/

On April 27 2014 07:24 geript wrote:

Or you could just be super town.
Wave. Tell me what your role does in our secret love language or else.
WHERE IS MY SNOOGLEWOOGLE??????? ABBA 4 LIFE.
Gumshoe not really posting yet is super odd.
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On April 27 2014 07:51 geript wrote:
Why is it that I never fucking get to be vig? It's the only role I've ever wanted to be and never get it. It's so exceptionally frustrating to not get to kill who I want. Like I would nuke the fuck out of Koshi right now and not think twice about it. I'd shoot him 8 times just to ensure he'd be dead. But no. I will give all my Greymist points past, present and future to the next host that makes me a vig instead of giving me a shitty role or VT.
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On April 27 2014 08:05 geript wrote:

He's coming into the game really bitter and that seems off even if somewhat understandable (not game related). He's also just doing things that feel exceptionally odd for him; like I've seen him sheep before but not foolishness and not this early. He takes a really weird approach to me; I think after Cell where he read me correctly he'd take a more "ignore wholly and let develop" approach. Instead he's being a bit nitty about things. Plus how he's approached the Caller/Palmer situation looks like he's already knowing the flips. It's just a lot of little things that 1. I don't think town Koshi would do and 2. Don't show him poking in good directions. He's a good player and I expect better reads from him than this.

@Wave. Why didn't you answer me in our secret love language and instead made an obvious claim?
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On April 28 2014 05:22 prplhz wrote:
People who are at the very least trying:
VisceraEyes
Koshi
Alakaslam (maybe)
WaveofShadow
strongandbig
OdinOfPergo
Blazinghand
justanothertownie
geript
VayneAuthority (maybe)
austinmcc

People who make me angry:
Blazinghand
Oatsmaster
Ace
Foolishness
sandroba
Palmar

People who /in'd this game because Ver is hosting even though they don't actually want to play in this game:
RebirthOfLeGenD
Ace
gumshoe (maybe)

On April 28 2014 10:15 geript wrote:
Here's the thing. I don't see any better wagon right now. Not having a lynch is 100% not acceptable. SnB is wagon of justice people. Do the right thing. Free smores to everyone who joins.
~21

On April 28 2014 10:42 austinmcc wrote:
Geript, WoS, Koshi, Blazinghand

What townie returns to thread and unvotes a near-majority candidate to be the only person on slam?

Also, please show me the posts that back up the bolded statement, the last bolded statement. Or you, geript, can explain why oats is correct that you unvoted geript because of fakenuke/caller/palmar, and not because you liked Koshi's SnB case and thought SnB was scummy.

Cuz if you can't do that, then hi, here's a dude whose defense 100% consists of a single lie. When asked to explain that lie, he failed to do so (despite still being around, because he called sandro a baddie).



(Oats I didn't love the bits where slam tried to make a lot of sense in his responses post-shot, but I don't think he's dying today, and we can watch him throughout the rest of the game and judge him based on his play/posting rather than the shot. I've had mixed success reading him, am not the slamwhisperer)

On April 28 2014 13:06 strongandbig wrote:
I honestly hope town loses. See you in a few months.

On April 28 2014 13:07 Blazinghand wrote:



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On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:

If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them.
Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all.

On April 30 2014 01:20 austinmcc wrote:
@WoS

More/different tasks if you really want. Read poofter's stuff on Koshi. Specifically, pushing snb, then getting gifted posts, and coming back late in the cycle to say snb was the lynch of justice, blah blah, without actually DOING anything, without talking about oats, without trying to get people to move to snb when the lynch could have gone either way (yet he thinks oats is town and snb is mafia), blah blah. Does poofter have the right of this? Does that feel like Koshi, as Koshi claims? Does it feel like Generic Yum Yum Good Play?

Seriously though, Koshi's stuff on Geript's reads is bad bad. Koshi 100% knows snb's alignment. Koshi 100% knows Koshi's alignment. Koshi looks at geript's reads, goes "He was wrong about snb and wrong about myself, but he was probably right in all this other stuff." ALL THE EVIDENCE, IN KOSHI'S MIND, SAYS THAT GERIPT'S READS WERE INCORRECT. KOSHI IGNORES THAT 100% AND DECIDES THE REST OF GERIPT'S READS ARE JUST ALL GRAVY.

Geript's reads are useful, we can talk about em, use em, but Koshi should be having his OWN reads more than using Geript's to push D2 crap. Shouldn't be 72 hours of "Here's what Koshi thinks" and then when Geript flips "Oh wait, here's what Geript thought, let's work off this."

On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that.

Now, tehpoofter literally hasn't posted and we can anticipate a modkill for him. well looks like he's actually here so i'm gonna gve him a day. Also Palmar still has another 24ish hours to seriously impress before I worry about him.


Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch.

##vote gumshoe

On April 29 2014 11:02 geript wrote:
Dear snooglewoogle. I will take your points under consideration. I would still shoot him personally, but that's easy to say because I don't have a gun. Also, I get what you're saying about Oats. I just disagree. Please pretend they're both town... who do you shoot then? If I assume they're both town, then I'd shoot Plammer for playing dota. Or Foolishness. He seems weird too.

ps. I'm not your snooglewoogle; you're my snooglewoogle. You have to come up with a different name for me. It's how the game works.

On April 29 2014 05:27 sandroba wrote:
Last post so I better make this count.
Foolishness and palmar are mafia together. That actually makes caller town. Here is what happened day 1.
Caller fake nukes palmar -> Foolishness posts BS case on prpl which is so bad it doesnt get any real traction -> palmar thinks he will die and uses his scum power to save foolishness from the embaressment and being completely obvious scum and if coroner flips palmar later it will make prpl look bad and foolishness look good -> caller: "lol gotchu bitch that was kebab" -> palmar foolishness : "fuuuu now we obv scum gg"

On April 30 2014 07:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea i'd say anyone pushing foolishness is suspicious as fuck. his reads are good besides WoS, that guy would not play this terrible as scum he barely ever gets to play it.

On May 01 2014 12:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS!

On May 02 2014 15:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Well good new for you is that I only get 25 posts today. So I can't really waste them on dunks. But those two we re SO SWEET.

Plus you gotta admit everything about this claim smells wrong

On May 03 2014 07:38 Foolishness wrote:

Blazinghand has a better chance of flipping mafia.

##Unvote: RebirthOfLegend
##Vote: Blazinghand

On May 03 2014 08:26 Foolishness wrote:

There's no dealings. He's just been saying a lot of weird things.

I never made a conscious effort to try to figure out his alignment. Nor did I ever really pay close attention to the things he said.

I didn't let him influence any of my thoughts this game. I was the first one to suggest the strongandbig lynch (other people in the QT can confirm this) and he ran with it. I take full responsibility for the mislynch on day 1 (minus what Koshi did).

My gut tells me that alakaslam is town. I don't really have evidence to back that up other than I thought his justification for his vigi shot came from a town mindset. Really either lynch sounds good depending on how you look at it.

On May 03 2014 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:

You are assuming yamato and Koshi were town and there was no successful medic/jailkeeper action regarding the KP.

On May 04 2014 06:59 austinmcc wrote:
My main problem is just wanting more STUFF in the thread. For a game with post limits, ever since D1 nobody has been getting into big trouble on posting, and there's boatloads of fucking off. It's the weekend, so that's not unnatural, but I'm in favor of less fucking off and just more STUFF in the thread. From both town AND mafia.

BH's filter never looks good when I reread it. The ol' "swap to oats, NO WAIT THERE'S AN HOUR LEFT, swap back to SnB!" bit. I'm willing to vote oats ---> D2 starts and oats is scummy but he wants to push gumshoe ----> foolishness is trying to trap me in QT with oats meta, but look how oats is posting here in a different manner than he was posting in a game where he was mafia ---> voting oats for no real reason ---> hey guys, let's shennanies to a random different target is butt. Going straight from gumshoe --> oats because "we're not lynching fool" yesterday, without considering other options (and still later wanting to shennany onto palmar, real or fake). None of it's groovy.

There's like, one post that I find pretty townie, but I don't think it's quite on "can't be scum" level.

On May 04 2014 07:25 Cephiro wrote:
To elaborate: I think that VA is town misplaying his role (I am fairly certain what it is unless I've been fooled, which would be a good thing.)

But he isn't contributing, he's mainly just saying "Yo, I'm around, thing X sucks, thing Y doesn't, btw I wanna survive."

And thinking about his play and the role I assume him to have, it makes a little bit more sense if he was mafia, but it's sub-optimal whichever alignment he is.

Which is why I hope he's managed to mislead me as town and I have no idea what he's doing. There's also a small chance that he's simply going for a super lategame play.

But this is not relevant nor important right now.

On May 04 2014 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hmm Caller agrees instead of pushing his own weird shit.
I kinda like it.

On May 04 2014 08:33 Tehpoofter wrote:
I reread BH's filter today at work seeing if there was much in there that was townie. (It was thank god more coherent than Slam's) It looks like a lot of activity is dying in the thread and I'm a bit sketched out about the fact that everyone is voting BH who claims to be in a mason QT vs Slam who day shot someone threatening to shoot people BWing on a town. Honestly I don't find any of them particularly townie the only saving grace for BH for me has been this Mason QT thing I mean if he is fake claiming mason is a ballsy move from him as scum. I would think that has very low success because he links himself so heavily with Foolish who is forced to back up his claim. I know more about Foolish than BH and I honestly feel like Foolish would make a better play than that but it could have been he was forced to go along with the BH ploy or steam role a mafia.

The activity level of this game feels like the end of Catastrophe so maybe with the Oats lynch mafia has the wind out of its sails. (Perhaps that poofter guy did shoot right after all!)

I really think slam's shot has been scummy and then he hasn't done much but there was a weird posts that I think Foolish pointed out at the start of day 2 where BH took the party line most mafia do of "lets lynch the lurkers" and he voted gumshoe who was first to case Oats. + Show Spoiler +

I'm gonna go with JAT today as I still read him town and if hes right on BH then I'll look over Foolish again but if Jat is wrong I might have to reread him because he is really pushing this BH/Foolish connection hard. (I think too hard to be mafia but flipping BH will tell us a lot)

##Vote: Blazinghand

@austin Oats had the ability to shoot all the 2nd day and decided not to despite him having to know heat was most likely coming his way. He I think could have gotten away with a Slam shot so him choosing not to shoot means either
a) He for some reason thought shooting slam would cause him more suspicion
b) He wasn't around to take a shot before the votes got too high
c) He is mafia with any of the people he feels like he could shoot and without flips it does nothing but hurt him (i.e. Slam)

For me I lean towards b or C cause honestly Slam was on my shoot list if Koshi hadn't been scummy. I wouldn't have given Oats grief over it and honestly probably given him some town cred.


@Foolish I might be misunderstanding how the mason thing works but I don't understand your voting on BH if you're in a QT with him as I thought being in the QT meant you were both confirmed town.

On May 04 2014 08:46 justanothertownie wrote:

Me. It's like he is setting himself up for a BH town flip. Makes me feel uneasy.

On May 04 2014 11:07 austinmcc wrote:
Any specific thoughts, assuming you don't mean BH himself? I checked the list to see exactly who you might be talking about, nobody off BH is really worrisome to me.

VA's comments about this lynch in particular are funky (BH out of his mind, slam a lot scummier tho ----> if BH were town he'd be all up in thread's business, so I like this lynch (it was 7 BH, 1 slam at the time, so no lynch yet and we needed 2 votes) ----> keep vote on palmar)

But otherwise nothing is smacking me in the face like a banana peel about the non-BHers.

On April 28 2014 12:15 Hapahauli wrote:

Vote Count!

Palmar (1) - VisceraEyes, VayneAuthority, Odinofpergo, Ace
Caller (0) - prplhz, Ace, Sandroba, yamato77, VisceraEyes
Geript (0) - Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, BlazingHand
VisceraEyes (0) - Caller, strongandbig
prplhz (immune) (0) - Foolishness, Koshi, Blazinghand, Caller, prplhz
strongandbig (8) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, RebirthofLegend, BlazingHand, Caller
Cephiro (0) - prplhz
Foolishness (0) - Sandroba
Oatsmaster (8) - Austinmcc, Yamato77 dead, Strongandbig, prplhz, justanothertownie, Cephiro, Sandroba, WaveofShadow, BlazingHand, OdinofPergo
Blazinghand (1) - VisceraEyes
Sandroba (1) - VayneAuthority, WaveofShadow
Alakaslam (1) - Oatsmaster

Not Voting (2) - tehpoofter, gumshoe

until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch.

On May 05 2014 07:00 Foolishness wrote:

You assume I'm scum if I don't reveal that information? Why would I reveal information like that that's only going to benefit the mafia? I'm sure everyone remaining in that QT is town so there's no way I'm handing the mafia the town circle.

Also you're assuming based off what information? That you don't "like" my posts this game? That you don't like that I pushed a mafia lynch and pushed the traitor to be lynched? You say that I made a bad case on day 1 and that's enough to override everything else I've done?

Also is it enough to override not killing say in the group of RoL, Palmar, Caller, gumshoe, Ace all of which are guilty of doing nothing this game?

Because all I see is that you want to kill off the active members of the town and just leave the inactive players sitting. How well has that worked out for town's in past games (re: it never works)?

Or are you listening to JAT's arguments which basically consist of:

JAT: Foolishness is scum for this reason!
Town: Actually that reason's been refuted because of X, Y and Z.
JAT: Foolishness is scum precisely because that reason has been refuted!

I'm not sure what game you're playing, but if you're making assumptions about a player being mafia based on feelings and not liking their post and just ignoring all the other things they've done for the town then you're definitely not playing mafia. So congratulations on not reading.

On May 03 2014 09:39 Foolishness wrote:
I'm definitely not giving away anything about the mason QT unless it's necessary to confirm someone's alignment/behavior or until the traitor is dead. Mechanics about it only helps mafia/traitor who may have extra information regarding peoples' roles.

Cephiro, do you know how your parity checks work in relation to the traitor? e.g. say you check the traitor night 1 and a town night 2, do you get a different result? Does it depend on if the traitor's been recruited (and if so when)?

On May 05 2014 07:06 Foolishness wrote:
JAT and tehpoofter are very likely town. There's little reason to doubt any of their actions this game.

You're mad at poofter for shooting his suspect? After he:

1) Pushed his shot repeatedly in the thread.
2) Made multiple cases about why his shot was mafia.
3) Has constantly been giving reads and pushing suspects in the thread.
4) Wanted to shoot Oats but believed that Oats flip would give town valuable information about the votes.

Until someone posts a nice big case about why poofter is mafia he is not up for lynch and will not be considered in the slightest.

Also the theory that mafia have day vigi shots so poofter is likely mafia because he confirmed having a shot is bogus. You know what mafia is probably doing? Waiting until there's like 11 players alive and if they have 4 members up just cap 3 people and auto-win. What a smart way to win instead of ya know randomly shooting during the day and drawing attention to yourself.

Unless we're not playing mafia of course.

On May 05 2014 12:19 Foolishness wrote:
There are other people in the QT. If there was something that needed to be revealed about it then it would have

1) Been already revealed.
2) The other people would have incriminated me hard for lying or withholding information from the town.

##Vote: Palmar

On May 05 2014 12:19 Foolishness wrote:
There are other people in the QT. If there was something that needed to be revealed about it then it would have

1) Been already revealed.
2) The other people would have incriminated me hard for lying or withholding information from the town.

##Vote: Palmar

On May 05 2014 12:47 Foolishness wrote:
Maybe I think the people in the QT are town because gee I don't know I'm in a QT with them?

On Palmar:

I am not opposed to lynching him because he's clearly not reading the game:
On April 27 2014 17:30 Palmar wrote:
Turns out playing with a post restriction isn't that bad at all, normally I'd throw all these in seperate posts but it's not awful to have to think ahead and combine comments.

1. @BH: I was kinda hoping I'd die so I could just check out and yell at people postgame. Your suggestion involves effort. Not sure I'll put in much effort over this weekend.

2. prplhz is now looking townie. I didn't actually read foolishness' case on him but I figured I'd fuck with town by pardoning him if people wanted to lynch him. Now I'm afraid I didn't really fuck with town. What I should have done is pardon fucking Caller so we would be forced to shoot him today.

3. geript is town hero, I'm probably just sheeping him today if I cba putting in effort.

##vote strongandbig


Considering my case was all of one line long I'm not sure what game he is playing, but it's definitely not this one. To be honest I'm not completely sold on him being mafia and I don't know what his apathetic behavior is more indicative of. I do not expect Palmar to start putting effort into this game at this rate. Hence better to kill him sooner rather than later.

On April 28 2014 12:34 Foolishness wrote:
I think Caller is the "anti-town" person you need to be worried about Ace, not Palmar.

2) I'm not soft defending Palmar, I'm hard defending him. I think he's town. Make a case if you think otherwise cause I haven't seen one other than he did something anti-town by pardoning prphlz. Even so, would not be upset if he died. Almost like a wildcard.

I'm just going to change my Palmar read status to: "I don't know". Thought he was town, but maybe not cause he had that bad post where he gave a bunch of reads day 1. Thought he was town again, but him dying would answer a lot of questions I think. I don't know. Would not bat an eye if he died.

What I learned is that we should be killing RebirthOfLegend, Palmar, and Caller.

On May 05 2014 12:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
why would a mafia be so hesitant to divulge it though? I feel like they always panic and just give you watever you want. its usually town that is stubborn like this. id much rather go the palmar/caller route then foolishness they seem a lot sketchier.

On May 06 2014 10:10 austinmcc wrote:
What have I got for wasting your time? My whole thing is that no time was wasted, but I understand we feel differently there. I'd rather we be looking at non-QT crap, cuz the QT has jack all. And BH would have been pure claiming scum if he didn't invite me, because of the oats lynch + everyone calling me townie + protective roles SAYING they'd target me. You HAVE to add that person, imo. I honestly assumed that everyone would assume I was in there. Also, my recent scumplay has been a far cry from epic.

I want to lynch Foolishness. I do not want to lynch poofter today. Foolishness more likely scum, Foolishness more info/connections. Time to de-foo the scumteam. Nobody being particularly active means no trapping, there doesn't seem to be any desire from anyone to ever formulate other reads except to check in every 72 hours, say someone is mafia, and dip.

Why poofter over foolishness?

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Cephiro,

I guess don't reveal who you checked last night, but I would personally <3 if you looked into the group of Ace/Caller/palmar/VA/Poofter. With probably a preference towards...ace/palmar/VA. All checks valid, no checks not accepted, and you may or may not die tonight, so ... maybe we get successful checks, maybe no.

On May 06 2014 13:36 Foolishness wrote:
Oh the stuff about the mason QT has already been answered by Blazinghand.


A fourth person was added the previous day. Now that Blazinghand is dead the QT no longer gets members (mod confirmed) so it's just us 3 talking in there.

Personally, I don't see any reason to reveal who the other two members are because I think they are both town and revealing that information is giving the mafia shiny targets to shoot at. But at the same time I'm not terribly opposed to it, so if the other member(s) want to reveal themselves that's their decision.

And as I stated, I've been through that QT since the start and have been through it multiple times. If there was information in there that was important to the town (like say night action results or something) or something in there that incriminated someone (let's say another member in the QT was horribly opposed to the Oatsmaster lynch) then that information would already be out there, either by me or someone else.

Really you guys are making mountains out of molehills, and letting mafia sit back and do nothing (again). Why not kill the people that aren't contributing to the town and are clearly apathetic? I've already spent posts responding to JAT and WoS and I'm not going to waste time or take up space beating a dead horse by arguing them. You can look through my filter to see what I've said. If someone else has a big point that needs answering then say so and quote it and I'll respond (like Ace just did now).

On May 06 2014 13:24 Foolishness wrote:

What am I answering?

It might help for you to quote it, because there are some people who are on my ignore list.

On May 06 2014 20:26 Tehpoofter wrote:
@WoS I read your case on me what about my last post was super scummy? Does the fact that BH flipped traitor make your case stronger or weaker in your opinion? Also how do you feel about my Koshi shot? Why bring up that one of the early shots might have been on scum but then immediately say I'm still mafia? Does that mean that you think Yamato was scum shot by slam?

@austin Thanks for the breakdown of the QT I think this makes foolish look really townie and I really don't see a scum team going all in on a single QT. I also understand reasons for not saying the names of others in the QT. I want to say though if you have info about how/when those persons in the QT were recruited and who pushed for them I think it might be valuable to the thread especially since I think Foolish is town. Did BH give other suggestions on recruits? I saw that you said Foolish was looking at me or you.


Good to see that WoS has finally decided to play. I think its important to look at who is really putting forth effort in the thread atm and seeming excited. People like WoS and to a lesser extent Palmer have come out of the shadows and starting posting much more after 2 straight scum lynches. This reads townier for me on them because I'm excited that were kicking ass the past two days and hopefully can hit another one today. (Although looks like donkies are voting foolishness so I won't hole my breath)

Towniest Town: Tehpoofter, Ceph, Austin. Slam

Town circle: WoS JaT Foolish

Slightly Town: Palmer

Lurkers that made a big case on mafia and havent done shit else this game: Gumshoe

Slightly scummy: Va, Caller

Scummers: Ace, Prphlz, Ve

I really think we're making a mistake hitting Foolish here the QT stuff seems like good info to me from austin. I think that Foolish was the other lynch to Oats day 2 and we know his alignment. I feel like scum is probably lurking/dejected after two straight lynches Foolish doesn't seem like that in his readings.

We should be voting people like Ace who hasnt done shit all day maybe he does have real life things going on but he literally has just been pushing lynching Palmer and thats it. Like reading his short filter its no cases on Palmer just lets lynch him!!!

Prphlz wanted to kill Foolish yesterday and has been riding this train with JaT since day 2. For me I think that the scenario here is town Jat is wrong about Foolishness and Prphlz has been pushing this agenda with him while letting JaT do all the leg work. I would love to hear from you Prphlz more on who else could be scum minus Foolish?

VE: This feels exactly like Ve's game as traitor last game in Catastrophe to me. He just comes in talks about how town he is and how man hes so town like that shit does nothing for me at all. Not to mention he made this post: + Show Spoiler + Before Ceph's claim basically I think he named 3 town. He also doesn't try to push these reads really at any point during that day. Yesterday he voted on Slam and never really pushed this read at all either.

I feel like Ace, Prphlz, Ve are playing lazy games and I feel like scum is playing a lazy game.

VA gets on the list for basically claiming a role non chalantly and playing this super weird game that seems off to me. He hasn't died at night either after basically announcing hes an unknown role Why would scum not try to kill him?

Caller did that weird thing on Palmer day one and has kinda checked out I gave him town points for that but (without looking) I don't know a single one of Caller's reads off the top of my head.

1st post of day.

On May 07 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote:
WoS, it's called your bad at this game.

I've officially run out of motivation and stopped caring. Your game to throw not mine. Just read the cases that have been made and hopefully you can make things work out in the end.

On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:


This is no joke btw.

We super lynch poof if fool is town.

On May 07 2014 08:35 justanothertownie wrote:
WoS, why the hell are you doing this? You can't possibly have a strong scumread on Palmar by the way you are posting and you were really scummy on Foolishness earlier. If you make this a no lynch or a Palmar lynch and the guy flips town first thing I do tomorrow is shooting you no questions asked. Wtf dude. Scum is giving up, rolling over for us to lynch him AND YOU WANT TO SWITCH? WHAT THE FUCK?!
PEOPLE GET ON FOOLISHNESS RIGHT NOW. Do NOT shit the bed here.

I am off and I swear to all that is holy that my bullet will be put into the head one of you guys if you fuck this up.

On May 07 2014 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, the noflip modkills really fucking suck.
Attitude or not it is baffling to me how you are toying with the idea to switch off a person you are scummy on to a wagon with much less votes and scummy people on it while being afraid of a no lynch. It makes no sense and it makes me angry when we have the opportunity to kill Foolishness who basically claimed scum today.
Sorry if I am going overboard and I really don't mean it in any personal way but what is going on here right now looks like pure stupidity to me if you guys are town.

On May 07 2014 08:58 austinmcc wrote:
What are the reads? Cuz as best I can tell, he's got enough town that you likely end up at the tail end of his scumlist.

I get the palmar/caller thing, but the summation of your thoughts on foolishness is "he has PRETTY MUCH the same reads as me", with no further detail, and no explanation of where you guys disagree?

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Look at what he does with SnB, prplhz, or people in past games. He pulls from multiple games, generally creating a full idea of what someone plays like.

With oats, his QT posts are:





those are both D1. Nothing about oats's stuff ever brought to thread though, and that was it. No more posts in QT about his meta. Nothing in the game about his meta. I don't see "hey here's a single post and a single post" as equivalent to what I think of when I think of Fool looking at someone's past games. There are...NO conclusions there except "eerily similar", there was NO checkup on whether people who said "oats = oats" had merit, etc.

If you read just the text of those posts, you go "Foolishness says he's looking into oats!" But there's nothing in thread. There's no analysis, no conclusions, anywhere. Especially in a game where I had a hard time convincing people that this looked like mafia oats and not "oats", it is ... off ... to me that the above is ALL we've got, ESPECIALLY if Foolishness thought he was scum, and ESPECIALLY if he was almost the D1 lynch and Foolishness thought he was scum, and ESPECIALLY if Foolishness was the secondary lynch candidate AND oats was almost the D1 lynch AND Foolishness thought he was scum.


If you're town and Foolishness is scum, you're going wrong because you're not drawing a complete picture of Foolishness, you're valuing little things he says in a QT over what's in thread, you're looking at some things and you're not looking for CONCLUSIONS and ACTIONFOOLISHNESS.

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I personally think this is 100% wrong.

On May 07 2014 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote:


lol please read thug life mafia. he bussed his entire team and trolled just like this. the similarities are actually astounding

On May 07 2014 09:32 VayneAuthority wrote:


you are asking me to be a hypocrite, I am rarely in a position as town to tell people to try harder. Could foolishness try harder to not get lynched if he's town? obviously. am I in a position to scold him? lol nope. I wouldn't give a shit either if i was getting lynched when I was somewhat playing the game when people that I won't name are currently in this game playing as pacman villains

On May 07 2014 12:31 Ace wrote:
why are we shooting people that post?

On May 07 2014 18:02 Palmar wrote:


Why do Austin and Jat look like shit, explain in detail why they "look like shit". You have to demonstrate why townies would logically come to the conclusion that they were maliciously wrong and not accidentally wrong.

We know they were wrong, but almost everyone was wrong or has been wrong this game. So why these two, what about them being wrong makes them "look" particularly bad.

Also, you seem very certain that they are not mafia, like you're implying that they are almost confirmed town in your eyes because if one or both of them are mafia, the situation is most definitely not perfect for scum. So how do you know the situation is perfect for scum?

Oooooooohhhhhhhhh..... I get it

On May 08 2014 03:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Welp. I'm the other person in the QT with Austin/Foolish/BH. I'm pretty surprised to see Austin throw in his lot with the Foolish voters considering we had a chat in the QT where we pseudo-cleared Foolish based what happened. And the whole time he was all "Sry if ur green" and "I think ur town BUT" and shit.

People are clearing him based on, if I'm not mistaken, the martyr dying the night after Austin looked super town for pushing Oats. Consider though that if Austin is scum, it makes him look REALLY GOOD if they simply TARGET the guy who basically hard-claimed martyr that night.

Because he was so blah on the Foolish lynch as it was happening, I'm removing Austin from town-mayor position. He's not fit to rule.

On May 09 2014 00:18 marvellosity wrote:

Just finished reading the thread.

Don't have great reasons for Caller to be town, but the Oats posts and his general attitude leave it as a possibility, and he is at least tied to players like Oats + VE, which means information can be gathered.

I think gumshoe is reasonably likely to be town. One reason is that he went quite hard on Oats at some point. Also BH went at him. The biggest reason, imo (connecting the two), is that gumshoe made a very very long post saying for a long time how his accuser, BH, was town. Having spent a bazillion words saying how his accuser was town, he then used this sidestep to... call Oats mafia instead. This seems like such an unlikely mindset/sequence for mafia to pull off. Why bother spending so much time saying how your accuser is not mafia (when he is your scumbuddy) only to call another scumbuddy mafia instead? Simpler explanation = he is town.

VA is quite possibly town because he keeps banging on about whatever his role is like a weirdo as if anyone ever gives a shit, but he just keeps on going on about it. Reminds me a bit of Hogwarts when he kept saying he was practically confirmed town for something role-related.

You should shoot Ace 100%. He has nothing tying him to anyone. His flip is meaningless in regards to anyone else's alignment. Town loses nothing by losing Ace, and we might just hit a mafia. There's no particularly good reason to think he's town or scum, and with a lack of other connecting information, he is essentially the perfect shot.

On April 30 2014 07:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea i'd say anyone pushing foolishness is suspicious as fuck. his reads are good besides WoS, that guy would not play this terrible as scum he barely ever gets to play it.

On May 01 2014 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh nevermind, I thought the votes were at 9 when I voted LMAO

Nevermind the confirmed bit, but I'm still town.

Banks I'll get to you later.

On May 09 2014 11:25 austinmcc wrote:
Like...you're saying

"I trust marv's read on VE more than yours" or "I trust marv more than you"

but in the case, what you'd ACTUALLY need to be thinking is

"I trust marv's read on VE, based on just what VE has put in thread, over your read and Foolishness's read, both of whom had access to everything that VE has posted this game AND I trust marv's read on VE, but his read on me is butt he should be reading me town because of x, not be all wishy washy on me"

(Or, I guess "I trust marv working with partial information over you and Foolishness working with full information AND I trust marv's VE read despite thinking his read on my should be different than what it is")

On May 06 2014 10:37 austinmcc wrote:
The only reasons are non-QT related. QT stuff matters almost zero, BH adding him matters zero.

• The SnB case doesn't read like town-foolishness
• Sandro scummy on Foolishness
• Foolishness made 0 attempt to ... lead take/take over/post much in the way of reads
• That same point x2 given how passive some of our days have been
• Scummy on oats, but doesn't think mafia worried about the D1 lynch (which was almost oats at one point), and instead of pushing oats pushes RoL. Goes through past games of SnB, prplhz, RoL, WoS, everyone except....oats. Just says oats is mafia for not posting, when MULTIPLE players say oats is not scummy, he's just oats-y. Foolishness, ye olde lover o' past games and meta reads, declines to comment AT ALL basically on oats's past games, whether this is oats-y behavior, and just half-ass wants to lynch him, except not as much as RoL, even when oats is being discussed heavily.
• Foolishness has essentially pushed SnB, prplhz (ish), oats, RebirthOfLegend, very very very likely Cephiro, and pretty likely JAT.
• Granted I think it was the first mislynch on him evah, but in Shadow Game Foolishness was ... pretty defensive. When folks turned their gaze on him hard, he was making cases, reading a bunch of past games of half the game, trying actively to solve things. Here, there's been mid-level scumspicion on him the whole time and he's done...not much/any of that, again, really 0 interest in trying to round people up and lead town really.
• Kinda just never ever PUSHING his reads. He's willing to consolidate on anyone D2, rather than actively trying to get any support for RoL. On D3 he drops one post on BH/Slam, and then there's nothing else.
• This is smelly only in hindsight, and only if Foolishness flips mafia, and really isn't scummy but it's just kind of neat if he's mafia
  On May 03 2014 09:39 Foolishness wrote:
  I'm definitely not giving away anything about the mason QT unless it's necessary to confirm someone's alignment/behavior or until the traitor is dead. Mechanics about it only helps mafia/traitor who may have extra information regarding peoples' roles.
  
  Cephiro, do you know how your parity checks work in relation to the traitor? e.g. say you check the traitor night 1 and a town night 2, do you get a different result? Does it depend on if the traitor's been recruited (and if so when)?

Those are my reasons. JAT has also posted a couple things that I hadn't been looking at, a couple inconsistencies in his posting, like saying he wasn't going to claim QT stuff until the traitor died --> BH dies, flips traitor --> I'm not claiming QT stuff.

The ONLY QT-related reasons to lynch him are basically that he's also not trying to wrangle up any control there, and while he and BH chatted a good bit on D1, he's not really trying to push BH towards RoL D2, not trying to push him towards Oats, really just ... not interested in arguing his reads within the QT, and lately not very interested in discussing anything.

If that changes and we get to yappin', I'll say so.

On May 09 2014 11:37 austinmcc wrote:
Sure, but you know this isn't actually the argument you want it to be. I pushed him yesterday and voted for him, was wrong.

That doesn't mean I'm wrong on VE. And you also KNOW Foolishness is town now, and he was townie on VE. So...it's not just me here.

Just because i CAN be wrong with full information doesn't mean that full information doesn't lead to better reads than partial information. If you want to keep score, full information > partial information. austin + foolishness = 2 people, marv = 1 people, 2 people > 1 people. austin was wrong on foolishness. That's like 2:1 in favor of VE being town. That's TWICE as much. If he's mafia, he would have had to get TWO town PMs also (two is twice as much as one).

AT THE VERY LEAST, YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE KINDA WORRIED ABOUT SHOOTY MCGEE BALANCE? THAT TOWN MIGHT HAVE SLAM + POOFTER + JAT VIGIS AND SCUM MIGHT JUST HAVE WAVE? JUST IN TERMS OF BALANCE CRAP AND NOT AT ALL ABOUT POSTS, PLEASE TO SPECULATE FOR ME. WE HAVE 3 CONFIRMED VIGIS, 1 CLAIMED VIGI, 1 CLAIMED HERO. DO YOU THINK 3v1 (town v scum) VIGIS IS BALANCED IF SCUM HAS A HERO? DO YOU THINK THAT 2v2 WITH A TOWN HERO IS NICE AND HAPPY? PLEASE WORK THE HERO INTO YOUR VIGI SPECULATION AND JUST SPITBALL FOR ME HOW YOU THINK THOSE NUMBERS WORK/DON'T WORK

On May 10 2014 05:17 marvellosity wrote:
jat, stfu if you won't just fucking shoot Ace. Christ.

On May 10 2014 05:14 marvellosity wrote:
yeah, definitely don't lynch Wave this game. If he is mafia, I want him to win quite hard. *brofist*

So my list earlier was kinda incorrect. Wave and Slam should not be on the lynch list.

ace/ve/caller/poof good lynches. Palmar's a good lynch regardless of his alignment.

Town really shit the bed this game. A buttload of "illustrious" players casting around not playing. One good lynch through austin, and one cop check. One awful lynch on the monumentally townie s&b (sandroba: I am 99.9% sure s&b is town), one lynch on a town Foolishness making sense, and one lynch on prplhz who played one of his towniest games and a marvellosity who quite clearly read the whole thread, pulled things from all over it and gave detailed reasoning on every player.

It is actually amazing.

Also you better lynch me because I might smash through my post count limit, and having 5 posts tomorrow would be *so* boring.

On May 10 2014 12:12 gumshoe wrote:


What fuckin victory? I was about to be lynched/die just like in doctor and catastrophe and just like those games I flooded my thoughts in last second to give town something instead of jack all (and to slack my guilt a smidge) I get your pissed, but I'm not scum and your bieng a dick.

On May 12 2014 04:20 marvellosity wrote:

Actually there's the opportunity to form an unholy alliance of people who actually want to win the game, a la marv-JAT-Wave-Slam type thing (fingers crossed this list is town of course), but I can't stop you policying your way through the day and I don't particularly fancy trying to argue with you about it.

On May 13 2014 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I would still kill gumshoe. If you're not interested in actually pushing gumshoe and trying to get votes on him Wave then why even mention it?

On May 13 2014 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's mostly about the way he was pushing SnB/defending Oats that makes me think so. Based on thread sentiment I would say that it was pretty obvious that Odin was town anyway, so Koshi calling him so and begging not to be protected doesn't mean much to me. Like, especially if he thought that he could make Odin CERTAIN Koshi was town by outbursting like that and draw the save anyway. Leaving the scumteam open to shoot Austin a day earlier. And if he doesn't, then he still doesn't flip and looks townier to people (see: this argument).

And JAT if you weren't lying about your shot, shoot Ace imo. If the hosts won't remove him from the game we may as well.

On May 07 2014 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:

You're right. You should have been shot days ago but all of our vigs are either pussies or idiots.

On May 14 2014 17:48 marvellosity wrote:
Just a stupid post from Wave, but it doesn't matter.

##Vote: tehpoofter

On May 15 2014 09:12 marvellosity wrote:
you really really need to hope poof is scum, gumshoe, because if he aint, you're next.

On May 16 2014 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, you are voting for gumshoe so you must think gumshoe is more likely scum than poofter. Explain.

On May 16 2014 09:37 gumshoe wrote:


I aim to impress : D

Unvote

vote: Gumshoe

kill me and be cursed : P you are no king of mine.

On May 10 2014 12:01 Hapahauli wrote:

Vote Count:

Ace (1) - Alakaslam, Caller, Marvellosity, justanothertownie
WaveofShadow (0) - Palmar
VisceraEyes (0) - Marvellosity, WaveofShadow, Alakaslam
Marvellosity (1) - VisceraEyes, Ace, Caller (dead), Palmar, tehpoofter
Palmar (1) - Alakaslam
gumshoe (5) - WaveofShadow, austinmcc, justanothertownie, tehpoofter, VisceraEyes
tehpoofter (2) - Vayneauthority, Palmar
vayneauthority (1) - gumshoe

Day ends in . There are 11 players alive, and it takes 6 to lynch.

On May 18 2014 08:50 marvellosity wrote:
are you actually going to talk about lynch preferences at any point?

On May 20 2014 14:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
But then I've got the spirit of Foolishness whispering from my quicktopic "marv can't be this right and be town...kill him...kill him..."

Good thing I don't believe in ghosts.

On May 07 2014 12:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
shoot poofter, lynch palmar. dont care about poofter's alignment, care greatly about palmar's. how about that wave? JAT can at least oblige us by shooting poofter or gumshoe or some other guy that just posts massive blogs that nobody cares about.

On May 12 2014 08:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
I think poofter is our best bet, his shot still doesnt sit well with me at all. my second choice is gumshoe if people still up for that.

##unvote

##vote:Tehpoofter

On May 22 2014 12:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Actually scum handed the game to us sadly. We had it already lost

On May 22 2014 12:20 justanothertownie wrote:
gumshoe could have unvoted Ace and shot - gg.

On May 22 2014 12:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Things to note:

BH had godly scumreads somehow.

Koshi sucked this game ^^

I voted for scum every single day except for the Foolishness mislynch.

On May 22 2014 12:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
VE has straight up lost his edge. Back to the newbies for me. :D