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On May 01 2014 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, seriously. All of the people on oats tell me why Foolishness is town right the fuck now. BHs mason claim does not count. If you can't you're on the wrong wagon.
Austin, take a look at your wagon and tell me you are content with the people on it. I dare you. I think oats is mafia.
I want to lynch oats.
I am content to HAVE a wagon. If he flips mafia, like I think he will, then I don't super CARE that scum might be on it. Assuming we've got like 4-6 mafia, almost ANY scum lynch probably has some scum on it. This would be ESPECIALLY true if Foolishness is scum, and we came down to a Foolishness/Oats situation.
It's not an issue of whether Foolishness is town. I'm not convinced of that. I'm MORE convinced Oats is mafia than Foolishness is mafia, by a little margin. I think Foolishness, as mafia, has to scumhunt or pretend to scumhunt, has to survive nights, will be here tomorrow, whatever. Oats doesn't have to do jack squat as mafia, and if Oats is around at LYLO or whatever it's not as out of place as Foolishness at LYLO (i.e. I think Foolishness gets more scummy if he's around super late, with Oats that's not always the case).
Blah blah.
I don't really get this though. There are multiple scum. Most/all of us have multiple scumreads. You're suggesting it's super wrong to lynch one over another. I've got a stronger read on oats. I think oats has other bits that make him a more useful lynch overall, if I were the exact same amount of scummy on them (Foolishness gets to look scummier as game goes on, we get to check people's reads on oats).
Can you look at Oats and tell me he's town? The exercise is silly, in and of itself, but I don't think ANYONE can look at either of them and go "Yup, totes town 100%". I'm happy to lynch a person I think is scummy.
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On May 01 2014 09:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Foolishness is basically town for
1) posting reads and cases
2) responding to situations and not ignoring them
3) actually reading the thread and interacting with things that happen in the thread.
4) not being afk
Of which all his reads are not doing.
Like, I want you guys to contemplate what you're doing here. There's tons of like lurkers who aren't reading, writing cases, making reads, responding to situations, interacting with the thread. They're all being afk or "being afk"
and here's foolishness actually playing the game and everyone's like "yeah clearly this guy, the guy actually playing the game, is scum"
how serious are you here ._. Because you can't graph mafia/not mafia right in line with active/not active? BH, you trippin'
Actve =/= town. Inactive =/= mafia. They can be indicators. So can other stuff.
If I make 18 posts on D1 about how I'm a self-aware miller in a game without self-aware millers, and post a bunch of other active crap, I still 100% lied and about something scum might want to lie about. I'm mafia, even if I were active.
Foolishness has posted reads and cases. I didn't like his SnB case. I don't LOVE the WoS case, but not in the same way as I disliked the SnB stuff. Unsure on RoL.
But if someone comes in and posts a SCUMMY case, or a bad case that has some bad motives behind it, then yeah...that dude's likely to be scummier than someone inactive. His treatment of Oats doesn't look great in my mind, and I still think he's got some awkward bits in there where he thinks Oats is mafia, but doesn't think mafia was at all worried yesterday. I'm biased here, because I was the one pushing oats, but i THOUGHT I had a chance to get a lynch through. Especially when consolidated started occurring and Oats LOOKED to be the person we'd consolidate onto. Foolishness may or may not agree. Everyone else may or may not agree. But personally, I think there was a chance, and so I'm creeped out by scum not being worried and oats being mafia being a harmonious set of thoughts for Foolishness.
Heck, if NOTHING else, he was kinda concerned about Oats's voting yesterday, has been scummy on oats today, but the THINGS that oats did are voting without reasoning (hi a bunch of people) and general absence D1 while being a possible lynch. The latter is NO BUENO, but a bunch of people who have played with Oats and can't all be mafia have told me that's oats being oats. SOME townies are thinking that Oats could be town, despite his actions. Foolishness, maker of cases, looker of old game, etc., doesn't seem worried at all by this, there's no legwork to check. Legwork isn't required, I'm lazy, I can't fault other people for being lazy sometimes or even just for putting in a regular amount of effort.
tl;dr ---> A lot of the effort isn't stuff I'm overly townie on, and effort =/= townieness 100%. I didn't like the SnB case. The oats stuff weirds me out.
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On May 01 2014 10:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 09:30 austinmcc wrote:On May 01 2014 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, seriously. All of the people on oats tell me why Foolishness is town right the fuck now. BHs mason claim does not count. If you can't you're on the wrong wagon.
Austin, take a look at your wagon and tell me you are content with the people on it. I dare you. I think oats is mafia. I want to lynch oats. I am content to HAVE a wagon. If he flips mafia, like I think he will, then I don't super CARE that scum might be on it. Assuming we've got like 4-6 mafia, almost ANY scum lynch probably has some scum on it. This would be ESPECIALLY true if Foolishness is scum, and we came down to a Foolishness/Oats situation. I don't really get this though. There are multiple scum. Most/all of us have multiple scumreads. You're suggesting it's super wrong to lynch one over another. I've got a stronger read on oats. I think oats has other bits that make him a more useful lynch overall, if I were the exact same amount of scummy on them (Foolishness gets to look scummier as game goes on, we get to check people's reads on oats). Can you look at Oats and tell me he's town? The exercise is silly, in and of itself, but I don't think ANYONE can look at either of them and go "Yup, totes town 100%". I'm happy to lynch a person I think is scummy. No, I absolutely cannot tell you oats is town. But unlike Foolishness oats is KNOWN TO SUCK AS TOWN - it is NOT impossible that he is town. You can't look at his play and tell me with a straight face that this is town foolishness. You just can't. I have no idea how it is possible to have a stronger scumread on oats. I am seriously tempted to shoot oats just to end this madness. Meh, I don't think oats sucks as town. And I'm confident in that read. I've mislynched before. I will likely mislynch again, assuming I play even just a single other game. It's cool, but you're getting super super worked up over this, when we've had 48 hours now. I know you've been on Foolishness's case, calling him out, but it's not like Oats hasn't had votes, hasn't been a lynch option.
I don't care if you can read oats or not. Look at THIS GAME. What's the towniest thing he's done? The scummiest? If you're townoats, what's your thought process throughout the game. Same for scum. Given that you were worried about a chance to defend himself, do you feel he adequately did so? Does it seem he really...TRIED? Did he try/not try in a townie/scummy way? BLAH BLAH BLAH. Who cares if you can read oatsmaster. Is whoever is behind the computer, logging onto the Oatsmaster account, helping town this game? Trying to help town?
Austin if you get your lynch and oats does not flip scum I will yell and rage at you and you better promise to lead a foolishness lynch day3. I can't believe how hard it is to get that mafia lynched although almost noone really has a townread on him, almost everyone has a townread on me and confirmed town sandroba GUARANTEED that he is in fact scum. If Oats flips town, I'll go boohoo and I'll read stuff and see where things are at. We'll also have kills, possible claims, blah blah. You're really up in arms here.
Poofter you're not helping my paranoia, lol.
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On May 01 2014 10:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man I hate this killing people for info shit. Its bad and scummy. Can you talk a little about Palmar?
His early game actions make him anti-town, The End? Or he's Mother Townresa, somewhere in between, blah blah.
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On May 01 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Austin Sorry if I make you paranoid bro just trying to lynch scum. What do you think of Ace/VE not being here and voting no one that is going to get lynched today? I had town reads on both starting the day but their lurkyness is giving me pause. Tbh, nothing right now.
Want to see how this turns out, then work from what information we have.
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You okay with scumOdin fake-jumping on saving Koshi?
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On May 01 2014 11:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
its too easy, should we abort the oats lynch? idk if i like this I'm mixed on the means of it going down, but as someone pushing this hard...it's easy in a funky way. LOTS of swapping recently, but still took until an hour to lynch to get a majority. Nobody defending him in any meaningful way, which is the only issue, but he's not doing anything that would give grounds for a meaningful defense from not-oats, and is-oats doesn't seem to want to do anything.
Check in, vote, not say anything about Palmar, peace out.
Whatever everyone ELSE is doing, I'm just not getting happy vibes from oats himself.
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Fuck bitches
Stack paper
Sleepytime now, but that's reeeeeeeeeal nice. Probably some neat stuff to mine from folks's reactions and whatnot, but mainly we still just lynch scummy dudes.
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Probably out for most of the nightphase.
Things that I'd like to look at include- Foolishness re: oats. Somewhere in my ramblings there's a bit on this, but basically he was sort of okayish with oats scum, but had that weird "mafia not worried about lynch + oats scum" bit, and started throwing RoL into the ring as a Foolish/Oats alternative, despite Oats having a few votes at that point i *think*. Goes and checks past games of x and y, but despite Oats getting called oats-y by some folks, never checks past oats games from what I saw.
- JAT's last hour or two. Just to see how it feels, where he was pushing against the oats lynch a bit. Despite my worry/paranoia that the lynch might be wrong, the actual behavior from OATS himself, saying hi, voting, not doing anything, left me more convinced. JAT seemed to not care what oats himself had done while trying to push things towards Fool, which is...maybe fine. Dunno.
- Votes but not as a be-all end-all, and anyone talking about nothing more than votes as a way to push someone should be shunned.
I'm honestly not sure how Koshi will flip. The post-shot stuff looked nice, but I was quite worried about him, especially if Oats was mafia. Hopefully we find out later on.
Anywho, hooray scum lynch. I'll hopefully be back before the end of phase and actually get to do some legwork, just unsure.
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Back too late. Go town, pew pew pew.
Austin something JAT did very recently struck me as odd.
If you don't die wanna hash that out with me? Happy to discuss if we're alive.
@Austin What is your read on WoS? to me he seems disinterested and not caring which is different from his game in Catastrophe where he tried really hard and was very into it do you buy that the post restriction is bumming him out?
Not worried about him just atm. He was relatively conversant, nothing stuck out that really waved flags. I'll look back over, but he's not in a scumpile for me right now.
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People posting, giving suspects, reasoning, whatever, is always a positive for us imo. Even if A disagrees with B, or thinks what B is suggesting is ridiculous, posting in general is just good for town, especially after we had a kind of slow start. We can be a little more productive now and everyone has stuff to talk about.
It'd be better if they were also including links to ABBA songs, but you can't get everything.
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Gone for a few hours, back this afternoon EST to look at this and other stuff.
Slam, you trust Cephiro's claim?
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Hey...slam, BH, and WoS.
Could you guys please choose a position and tell me why it's the right one?
(1) We should lynch BH or slam today
(2) We should lynch neither, Cephiro checks another person tonight if he's for realsies, we put or maybeput any protection on him tonight, and on D3 we've got an extra check, possibly a better idea of alignments, blah blah blah.
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On May 03 2014 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:
I have no idea how anyone can be this sure about VEs alignment. Besides that (2) relies on the fact that Cephiro survives (ok, if he dies we at least know he is legit). Another problem is if scum has a jailkeeper.
The thing is if we lynch one of Cephiros checks we get the same result and have a better chance of lynching scum today. Lynching outside of them only makes sense if you REALLY doubt the claim and I don't see any reason to do so - bold move to claim right now and risk being cced, Cephiro was on the scumwagon day1 when it was 8:8 and last but not least: is there anyone who really thinks BOTH of BH and slam are town? I don't.
What happens if we go with (2) and Cephiro gets got? Town in a better/worse spot tomorrow?
(I agree that VE is not the choice for a check tonight if BH wants to get from a check what BH wants to get from a check, he said, using a sentence that is difficult to read and understand)
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On May 03 2014 09:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 06:46 prplhz wrote:
Scenarios:
Foolishness is scum and Blazinghand is scum: Lets lynch Foolishness for being scum.
Foolishness is town and Blazinghand is scum: Blazinghand has been fooling Foolishness in PMs for two days in a row. 4 srs?
Foolishness is scum and Blazinghand is town: Foolishness has been foolish Blazinghand in PMs for two days in a row. Lets lynch Foolishness.
Foolishness is town and Blazinghand is town: Lets not lynch Blazinghand.
Foolishness is 100% scum and needs to die. Today. Tomorrow we can talk about other things but for now we need to kill Foolishness. We have a parity cop saying either Alakaslam or BH are scum. Alakaslam is a day vigi who killed Yamato day 1. I don't believe he is scum based off that action and his posting in general. I don't think scum would of been happy with him going rambo and firing off a shot needlessly on D1. We also saw one scum vigi die so far. It is incredibly unlikely that Alakaslam is scum. BH on the other hand looks like absolute shit. His filter is spammy, negative, unhelpful, and cocky as shit. He's also trashing Cephiro's claim, ignoring how stupid the claim would be from scum. it would basically turn into a 1-1 trade if he was scum, which obviously isn't beneficial to him. This reaction is typical of scum, try to argue the claimer into the ground even though you have literally no ground to stand on. Foolishness, answer what I said before. What is the deal with your mason QT. Explain how it works, who is in it, what has been discussed please. Can you expound on Slam's posting in general making you townie/not-scummy on him?
Also, if you want to play the game, you're welcome to(1) We should lynch BH or slam today
(2) We should lynch neither, Cephiro keeps checking people, blah blah
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People should, at the very least, look at sicilian before speculating on roles and quantities and whatnot.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/414884-sicilian-mafia-style
24 players, 6 mafia + 1 traitor. Makes the likeliest number 5-6 mafia + 1 traitor here. Thinking that mafia would only have 1 KP once they lose a single scummer is...highly unlikely imo
Role list - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuWjFph9GbVwdDIweUpJSnpnU01UT2VTTUFIWWwwaWc#gid=0
Mafia had 3 power roles in their 6. Town had 7 power roles. Game had an SK.
We don't KNOW mafia numbers, we don't KNOW KP formulae, we don't KNOW power role numbers, but we've got a pretty good source in another Ver game, with similar numbers of players and a traitor. Shot mechanics will change, lack of SK changes some, any balance concerns from that game may change, not having a bunch of masonry like in sicilian will change things.
But overall, it's SOMETHING of a rough template, and I think if you're thinking about this game in terms that are rather inconsistent with the terms of that game, then you're probably not working from correct assumptions.
As a side note, the parity cop in Sicilian received paired checks, rather than a stream of comparisons. I found Cephiro's comment about that odd, but it appears that's how Ver runs parity cops.
(Seriously though, I don't see this game having less than 5 mafia to start with. No way do they only get 1 night KP after they lose a single member. So I'm working off of telling someone "nice save")
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On May 03 2014 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Austin you're ignoring some important stuff with all that setup speculation.
Even IF prplhz were not to know all of that stuff you just listed and/or didn't bother looking it up, which is pretty likely, why would he assume that after one (or even MAYBE 2) scumkills we'd be down to 1 scum KP?
It's a horrible assumption this early and it's extremely suspicious imo.
Also I don't think you commented on the stuff I mentioned re: JAT earlier.
Also what do you make of Foolishness now seemingly ok with lynching BH all of a sudden? Genuine or distancing attempt considering how linked he has been to BH by stuff BH himself has said, and as well through (maybe not necessarily good) assumptions JAT and I have made?
And on a third note Palmar/Caller. Where you at with them? Come on Austin, let's chat. It's poopy assumptioning, but I was townie on him before the start of the day and him ignoring the cop check while continuing to push Foolishness touches me in a very happy and townie place. Something happens in the thread, possibly outing a scum (ish), scum probably comment and deal with that. I don't see them ignoring it to continue pushing their lynch of choice.
JAT I'll look at a little later? I don't think he's the lynch for today, or a possible lynch probably. Will read closer, but I didn't personally read as much into the little apology as you did. What was it you wanted to hash out?
Neither Foolishness nor BH are sterling right now. I think that IF both were scum, I'd expect Foolishness not to push BH? If Cephiro's claim is true, and if BH is mafia, then mafia (imo) SHOULD be pushing Slam, at least a chunk of them. Better to lynch town than mafia today. Furthermore, I don't think Foolishness has boatloads to gain from pushing scumbuddies. It's unlikely that if he's alive at LYLO we all go "boy howdy what a townie Foolishness." It's far more likely he gets NKed/cop checked/lynched at LYLO. So to me, a scum strategy of "Cephiro says either BH or slam is mafia, BH and Foolishness are scumbuddies" should NOT yield "Foolishness pushes for BH lynch." He could just as easily push town, and the normal benefits of lynching a scumbuddy (town cred) aren't as valuable to scumFool, because he can't really carry a scumteam lategame, town will be curious why he's alive (Whether he a mythical mafia unicorn is up for debate, but some players can bus a teammate or two and ride the cred to lategame, some players will look SUSPICIOUS if they're alive in lategame, and so the benefit of lynching scumbuddies just isn't there for them).
All of the above roughly says "I am worried about Foolishness/BH as well, but when I play it out in my mind, I think there are too many things that make it unlikely they are scumbuddies."
Palmar/Caller aren't folks I'm worried about right atm. Hopefully there's a clearer picture of Caller as he keeps Callering aboot. Palmar unknown for me right now.
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HEY GUMSHOE, YOU WERE GONNA LOOK AT SOME STUFF. IF YOU WANT SPECIFIC MISSIONS IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK AT?
(1) Thoughts on prplhz responding to Cephiro's claim by wanting to lynch Foolishness. Do his thoughts read townie or scummy to you and WHY?
(2) Who were your preliminary scum reads early on? Even if they have changed, who was it and why? I have a few preliminary scum reads but I need to get completely intimate with das thread first : P not going to throw myself into another retarded tunnel again if I can help it.
(3) Does poofter's scumread on Koshi yesterday read as legit to you? If you think it's a legit scumread, do you agree/disagree with what he THOUGHT, and does your read update based on Koshi's conduct after the shot?
As far as the lynch today goes, I THINK I'm in favor of lynching into slam/BH.
In favor of lynching slam:
Normally, when slam gets scumread a bunch, or just gets scumread and hounded by someone like rayn, he has a similar reaction to what he's done this game. Game not fun, don't want to play any/much, generally not participating in terms of scumhunting. His posts read like the wind has been taken out of his mafia fun sails. Best example I can think of here is ... whatever that game was with like Grack/BC/HF/thrawn/people scumteam. I was a vet, rayn got lynched as part of a double lynch D3, risen martyred as town, blah blah, scum won. Rayn was on slam's nuts for a bit, and slam just never seemed to get into the game.
I KNOW in that game that I could keep talking with slam. He responded to questions, he had some comments of his own, interspersed with saying rayn made him want to quit the game. He was frustrated/did not want to play, but he was willing to communicate. He was frustrated TOWNIE.
His response this game FEELS different. I've asked some questions - + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2014 07:57 austinmcc wrote:
Slam, did you follow people's reactions to your shot well at all? Regardless of whether that's a yes or no, you know your own alignment, you know you shot someone and maybeprobablydefinitely should not have, especially if you actually hadn't read his recent posting, so I would <3<3<3 you looking through REACTIONS to your shot for what you find scummiest/towniest? On April 30 2014 06:55 austinmcc wrote:
Slam,
you were willing to vote oats, but never really said anything else about it. Is oats scummy/scum? Why?
On May 01 2014 02:22 austinmcc wrote:Hey slam. Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 06:55 austinmcc wrote:
Slam,
you were willing to vote oats, but never really said anything else about it. Is oats scummy/scum? Why? I read your filter. I donated you posts yesterday so you could explain yoseff a little more. I see your OOP scumread, and I don't share your thoughts because while you say he's getting outside info or something, it reads to me like he's just flailing around and making stuff up ---> Ace shot people, etc. etc. If someone outside the thread is telling him that things happened when they didn't...well then the scumteam is already going down in flames. Are you willing to consolidate? Our of the 4 dudes above, anyone in PARTICULAR you want to lynch/don't want to lynch? p.s. seriously, you know I'm interested in oats. Plox to answer question? On May 01 2014 02:45 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 02:34 Alakaslam wrote:I havebeen kusplaining why it b really pretty hard to be arsed for this, it is often like if I put out an opinion folks will actually use that as an auxiliary to why someone who agrees should be lynched. So in reply town gets " o well  then " And even then I post a huge dblue bold caps saying LOOK GUYS THIS IS WHY I IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT OF ME? And I hear " , Besides lynch foolishness no don't lynch foolishness wait what? !" So I "ok but I don't quit" How many times have I called you scum this game or put you on any kind of list I've made for shooting yamato? You shot yamato. That happened, it's over. I'm trying to move things forward here. You need to move things forward as well, imo, because people are more likely to find you townie for ... finding neat stuff, lynching scum, etc, than for talking about shooting yamato. You can me or anyone else or everyone else or any chickens of any level of intoxication you'd like, but we had kind of a poopy end of D1, and we're on track for a poopy end of D2, and we gotta stop that. On May 02 2014 22:29 austinmcc wrote:
Gone for a few hours, back this afternoon EST to look at this and other stuff.
Slam, you trust Cephiro's claim?
But when I donated him posts D1, including one for a silly post, he didn't want to silly post. His responses to my prodding are things like - + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2014 02:26 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 02:22 austinmcc wrote:Hey slam. On April 30 2014 06:55 austinmcc wrote:
Slam,
you were willing to vote oats, but never really said anything else about it. Is oats scummy/scum? Why? I read your filter. I donated you posts yesterday so you could explain yoseff a little more. I see your OOP scumread, and I don't share your thoughts because while you say he's getting outside info or something, it reads to me like he's just flailing around and making stuff up ---> Ace shot people, etc. etc. If someone outside the thread is telling him that things happened when they didn't...well then the scumteam is already going down in flames. Are you willing to consolidate? Our of the 4 dudes above, anyone in PARTICULAR you want to lynch/don't want to lynch? p.s. seriously, you know I'm interested in oats. Plox to answer question? Well Oats b lurkin so yeah. I would say this I can do. Nothing on OOP. Nothing specific on the 4 candidates D2. Or On May 01 2014 02:34 Alakaslam wrote:I havebeen kusplaining why it b really pretty hard to be arsed for this, it is often like if I put out an opinion folks will actually use that as an auxiliary to why someone who agrees should be lynched. So in reply town gets " o well then " And even then I post a huge dblue bold caps saying LOOK GUYS THIS IS WHY I IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT OF ME? And I hear " , Besides lynch foolishness no don't lynch foolishness wait what? !" So I "ok but I don't quit" When I'm not AT ALL asking about the shot, I don't care about the shot, I just want to get Slam in thread
BEYOND that, there's some meh stuff between him and Oats ---> + Show Spoiler [Not good but not damning] +On April 28 2014 12:20 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is it always like this?
BH I am saving a post to switch to oats at deadline if SNB isn't gonna be it. Will you be here?
Anyone else on SNB gonna be here?
3 left On April 28 2014 12:23 Alakaslam wrote:
IN THE MEANTIME MAYBE SOME FOLKS OVER THERE WANT TO SAY IF THEY WILL OR WILL NOT GO FOR THE REVERSE? WHO ON OATS IS WILLING TO SWITCH TO SNB? On May 01 2014 02:35 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:
AUSTIN! Let's make a deal.
I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me.
DEAL?
Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again... That's really scummy, scummy enough to vote for
Also, some meh stuff between Oats and Slam (going the other way) ---> After slam's shot, oats decided slam was scum, we should vote him. Calls slam scum D1. Calls slam scum D2. We know now that he was a vigi, COULD have shot slam, and SOME townies would have been happy with him (b.c scumreads on slam). But he never shot his scumread, even though it MIGHT have bought him points with some townies. Not ... too much. But not wonderful.
There are reasons to think BH is scum but I'm typed out for a moment. Mainly he just seems to do jack all and have strange trains of thought.
People like...I dunno. VA, RoL, WoS, Poofter
does Oats calling Slam scum but never shooting him seem at all relevant to you?
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On May 04 2014 03:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
And Austin, what more would you like me to say about slam? I felt what I wrote previously was concise enough. I don't think mafia would have the balls to do what he did day 1, particularly given how slam seems to play. I also don't think if he had a scum team they would want him to just randomly shoot someone day 1. Also we already had one mafia day vig flip, yes there could be more than one but I guess I'm willing to play the odds on this one when combining it with the other things I mentioned. There was just a bit you said, I don't believe he is scum based off that action and his posting in general.
I got the actions, and I get the scumteam telling him not to take that shot thing, but I was wondering if there was any posting in particular that you liked.
If he's town, he's trying to solve the game, and maybe there's something helpful there.
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