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justanothertownie
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On May 12 2014 08:08 Alakaslam wrote: I would flip the table and tell you to answer the question I asked before you asked yours Awesome. But last time I checked you weren't marv. | ||
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On May 12 2014 08:38 marvellosity wrote: I wouldn't. I certainly ain't leading this town. I'd like to lynch Ace. I'd also like to lynch poofter. If x,y,z said "let's lynch poofter" I'd say "oki doki" I should probably try to meta him although this blasted postcount limit makes it hard. I was pretty sure he was town in Catastrophe (dunno if you remember, but i was quite anti-lynching him when his name was brought up at the end of day 1) because i knew he was mafia in the ongoing Cell game and his play looked quite different. Unfortunately reduced posting reduces some of that effectiveness, might give it a go tomorrow though. His filter really is very short though. The infirmed prplhz (bless his soul) *still* has 2 more pages than poof does... me no likey. I'm coming around on VE being town, for slight gameplay reasons i can't describe, but mainly because a) if VE is town, I can say I listened to other people and came around on VE like a good, civilised townie b) if VE is mafia after all, I can blame everyone for talking me out of it it's really win win. Hm. Ok, I will have to see if I think that's what townmarv would do. Anyways, since your vote is on Ace and not Poofter I would still like some more reasoning than "he discredited me in that one post" and "Ace cos Ace". There are several days of Aces play to look into besides that. Just one post that tells everyone exactly why Ace is likely scum and should be lynched. That you are giving Poofter reasons so easily and there is almost nothing about Ace makes me feel uneasy. On May 12 2014 08:47 Palmar wrote: If poof is maf we gotta lynch dat mf scumshoe #preflipassociativereads #scumhunt4lyfe ##vote thepoofter You know what'd be great? If any of you damn "vets" would explain what he does/thinks at least once. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On May 12 2014 09:03 marvellosity wrote: I don't need any more reasoning. If you have a better bet, *you* tell *me*. If you wanna lynch poof over Ace, you go ahead and tell me why Ace should live, and quite possibly I'll run with that. Anyways, my point wasn't that he discredited me, because he does that all day every day as town too, so that's whatever. It was the manner and how, which I hoped I'd got across. ergo a) ace discredits marv b) ace discredits marv while at the same time saying the same stuff marv has said *and* deciding that somehow makes marv the best lynch Also, you aint lazy, go look at prplhz mafiagames, and stop with this bullshit "i need to see if this is what townmarv would do". Who gives a shit what i'd do, look at his blasted scumgames and come back and recognise it is blatantly not prplhz's mafia play. And then come back and realise that when i replaced in i put a shit-tonne of effort into the game (whether my results were correct or not). I am lazy enough not to do that before caring about rereading some stuff that happened this game when I could just read you by your play if you were trying to lead this town... POOFTER, I am only going to repeat myself once: On May 10 2014 09:41 justanothertownie wrote: I agree that gumshoe is not the lynch. I really hope he just gets modkilled. Yeah, marv is running out of posts if I counted it correctly he was 2 posts over his limit before you donated so he should have 1 left now. You can count yourself if you look into his filter (3 posts were made in the night). If you want to verify his prplhz read yourself go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database#2 Open the prplhz spoiler and you see all his games on this site. Click on them to get to his filter there. Austin, gumshoe might be modkilled. Lynch could be a waste. Fancy a switch to Ace maybe? | ||
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justanothertownie
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On May 13 2014 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Of course I'm interested but there's not much to say that hasn't been siaid. Either you believe the guy is scum and did what he did just to avoid modkill/fucking his team, or you think he's the worst town player to ever play the game and you either want to policy him for it or you don't. People know my opinions on people who play like this; I rant about it all the time. It is killiing my will to play in this game. So as I said, we're either as a collective letting that behaviour slide (whether scum or town) or we lynch him. If we let it slide, I will at the very least not contribute to the problem my voting where I need to. As is I will liekly sheep marv. I believe I hace made mmy intentions nothing but clear throughout. Sorry if I'm boring you marv. Why don't you do what I will do? Don't lynch gumshoe if you think he is town (you hinted at that earlier) and just WOTC him/don't join a game with him again if he is town in this one. | ||
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On May 13 2014 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Most of it had to do with his bravado while simultaneously doing nothing. He's been on the right side of my alignment the whole game long which frankly is suspicious considering how many people have doubted my alignment. His play feels like he's riding a wave of thread sentiment - not that he's been necessarily doing what everyone else is doing, but rather than he's been saying things that make it seem like he's attempting to alter thread sentiment in one way or another. This is a behavior I expect from a scumAce. That being said, I'm just not sure how to take him not being around to defend himself, or what to think about no one defending Ace at all. :/ Well considering how hard it will be to convince people to not lynch him due to his play the buddy who defends him would look really bad. You have a point with the thread sentiment. I got the feeling that he not only repeated what marv said earlier (marv pointed it out) but also what I said. That was during the period when it seemed like I would shoot him. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On May 13 2014 07:24 Ace wrote: this game is still going???? I don't know. Is it? | ||
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On May 13 2014 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote: One day I'll get a bullet. Anyway gj whoever led that shit. Let me break it down for you. Because I shot Caller and NOT Ace we are in a comfortable position. We can pretty confidently assume that marv and probably also you are town due to the shoot-ace-right-now bullying. HAD I SHOT ACE and we lynched caller that would not be the case for example: If Caller is scum we are still in a good position but can't be sure about marv. If Caller is town we are in a strictly worse position. So shooting Caller is always the better decision as long as that guy doesn't magically starts playing (yeah, I have my doubts). MARV. You will probably die tonight. Leave us a legacy (I know you want poofter dead but maybe some additional reads)! You can relax when you are dead.  | ||
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justanothertownie
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So, you are sold on VE now? | ||
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On May 14 2014 08:27 marvellosity wrote: Yes, I'd noticed that as well, but I thought what I said was enough ^_^ I guess VE is probably town. He showed willingness/voted Ace quite early. So yes, we'll go VE town. One other thing somewhat related to the low mafia KP/day vigis stuff: We have strongandbig Alakaslam justanothertownie Oatsmaster tehpoofter With the low amount of mafia KP I would probably guess at a 3-2 split rather than a 4-1 split. Of course I'd never lynch poof for this alone, but when setup thoughts align with thoughts I already have, I guess that's a good sign. It would seem about right for a mafia team with little KP to have an extra couple of shots. Pfffff Might aswell bold slam and make me green in that list! I will go for poofter tomorrow if I am alive. Apart from him I am just afraid of Palmar. Yes, he has been reasonable way too much to be scum one would think but I know he can do that as scum. What was the game he fooled me (obsing) really hard? Titanic III I think. There are some reasons to think Vayne is town so I will definitely look at Palmar before him. Gumshoe is just a pain in the ass and disappeared completely AGAIN. | ||
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On May 14 2014 12:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Dead game is dead. Ugh. So Slam is a more useful player than marv atm? Hm. Anyway what are the chances we're sitting at 5-3 and MYLO right now as opposed to 6-2? (and actually considering this we may have been at MYLO yesterday too.) You think it is likely that we hit no scum with shots and they started with 5 + traitor? Keep in mind every flipped scum had a role. Also, if that is the case why lynch Ace yesterday instead of no lynching. Or are you saying none of the 3 not-Ace mafia where on the wagon? That would mean it is poofter, Vayne and Palmar. And does it make any difference at all? Would your reads change knowing the actual # of scum? How? Let's say you are scum poofter (lone scummer) or his buddy (not marv). If you shoot marv right now you can basically concede as long as the buddy isn't a strong universal townread. Slam is confirmed town so he is always a good shot. | ||
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On May 15 2014 07:33 VayneAuthority wrote: honestly that ace lynch actually makes me and palmar look better not the other way around. what kind of idiots would we be to try and force the no lynch with zero coordination from our team so 1. it doesnt even happen 2. we now look like complete shit 3. Ace made zero effort to go against his lynch look at the people that voted for ace about halfway through/towards the end of the lynch and voila, mafia. Great analysis Vayne. Would be even greater if you would tell us the NAMES of the people you think are suspicious. SInce you are voting poofter. And poofter was not on Ace. On May 15 2014 09:09 marvellosity wrote: gumshoe everything you write is just terrible. +1 On May 15 2014 10:18 WaveofShadow wrote: And if he ain't marv, we may very well lose so you need to think about it a little more carefully. #Vote: gumshoe If you think so tell us why poofter is town right now. Since you obviously thought about it a little more carefully you must have reasons to assume that. On May 15 2014 23:49 Palmar wrote: ##vote tehpoofter I'm confirmed town if he flips mafia as I've been wanting to kill him since the koshi shot. I'm confirmed town if he flips town for voting VA first today and trying to avoid a bad lynch. You are confirmed lazy at most. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: tehpoofter | ||
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On May 15 2014 10:50 gumshoe wrote: Hey! I played fine that game T_T not my fault you people mislynched me for dumb reasons. Dont twist my entire history as a player just because you really want me to be scum (like you always do and guess what, doesn't really pan out) I mean, you want me to post but any time I do you just twist what I say back on to me. I find poof town for his derpy shot and play and vayne scum for his dispassionate laziness. What the hell is wrong with those reads? What do you want, a 20 page essay on every single game Vayne has ever played? For what? So all the scum and town who want me dead can yell at me until I go away? I asked you to work with me and you basically told me to fuck off. Then everyone spouts shit about how I'm getting wisdomd of the crowds every game after this and you expect my shitty disinterested play to improve after all that? Sigh, worst part is, you being so utterly consistently wrong about me is what tells me your town T_T so I cant even push you back. Honestly I'm just here to see Vayne flip red. Hes the only person in this game that i pretty much know is scum. Of course your not even going to consider that purely on the basis that I'm the one talking about it, thats bias bro, your biased, stop being biased. If you have been mislynched day1 you haven't played well at all. If everyone just spouts that you will be WOTCed then maybe there is a reason for that? Maybe it's not that you are right and everyone else is wrong, hm? If you don't want to lynch poofter you will have to come up with something better than "the shot makes him look suspicious". I wish I still had my shot... | ||
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On May 16 2014 06:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Nothing to explain, cause I'm almost certain I already did. They can both be scum and then we win, I just think after looking back at gumshoes previous games he is more likely to flip red than poofter, and I wanted to be sure that marv is sure. So you changed your meta read on gumshoe? Ok, that's fine. Still, if you think he is more likely to flip red than poofter there has to be something redeeming about poofter, no? You had him as scumread for ages and if there is something that suddenly points towards town for you then the time to say so is NOW. | ||
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On May 16 2014 06:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Uh oh boys. Were in trouble. So first off someone pointed it out before as to why I was absent (they didn't know they were but they were) I was salty as fuck about being a donkey and losing to Hf/Kosh with my first mishammer on forum in another game  So basically I said fuck it and haven't even looked at this page in days. Caught up now and seeing that we're about to lynch a town so this sucks/exciting I've never been mislynched on forums yet and don't plan on it. I hope people are alive to get an actual lynch though. So I'm going to spend 1 maybe 2 posts on defending myself before trying to figure out who the actual mafia is. First I'm town vigi and I shot Koshi which seems to be the biggest thing people are hung up on me for. So if you all remember the first actual day of this game I was out of town and wasn't here at all for the game and almost got replaced I just happened to log on right after I got home and stopped myself from getting replaced and the post that was up at the time was who had been lynched. I looked at the wagons and the vote count before even reading a single other word of the game. So I had a unique view of day 1 knowing what was going to happen. So reading through I became VERY suspicious of anyone who was pushing for the SnB lynch at the end of the day I made a large post where I FoS Koshi, Foolish (two main wagon leaders of the push) Oats (the opposing wagon) Slam (slam made that rando shot on yamato):+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 20:48 Tehpoofter wrote: So this game started good to know. Been catching up all day. So I'm going to say I came into reading the thread during the night knowing S&B's alignment I didn't read a word before looking at the day post. Where I'm at so far: In the red corner we have! Koshi Foolishness Oats Alakaslam (reads to come on these in later posts) Light Reds: WoS WoS - This is an associative read and is based on the fact I strongly feel Koshi to be scum. When Koshi gave his big list of everyone in town he said that WoS "town cuz good posts" WoS didn't respond to this but when prphlz said that he was in his "trying" list he said "I'm not even sure I could consider my activity... "trying""+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol I'm not even sure I could consider my activity so after 'trying.' snb not scum foolishness nice meta evidence from a year ago when SnB literally JUST played a really solid town game where he explains himself in paragraphs like you said. Dunno who I wanna vote. Getting weird feels from VE ---- mebbe because I'm not used to him actually trying lately? BH has actually decided to play this game which is non-indicative but his aggressive ego push on SnB is a style he tends to use more often as scum than town. Also his 'non-care' games lately have been more from town though obvs he likes to change stuff up Dunno My posting kinda shit so far Why not point it out on Koshi's list too? he also soft defends Koshi with geript, He also said my particular favorite line to say when I'm scum "Man I wish I were scum this game" + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh look I have a post left. Man if I were scum I'd be so happy to be in this game. I think my name has been mentioned/people have talked to me like twice. Don't really blame people though cause I feel exceptionally unless this time around Take palmar off scumlist, mebbe add Oats? Though a lot of first day choices come down to town v town so hmm Also should look at vote analysis Scum don't vote together D1 if they can avoid it for the most part so I'd look at where votes were before the mad scramble for consolidation started...? I think I'm speaking about when Oats and snb we're it'd at 8 I think VA could be scum this time around---looks like he's trying to be more useless (town VA) now after being called out for being try hardy early (Scum VA) Though I'm not sure what it means if we both voted sandroba. Probably doesn't mean anything other than he wanted to put his vote somewhere his scu m buddies weren't. Also pretty convenient of him to drop hammer. And none of that 'if I were scum I wouldn't drop hammer' shit cause there are a ton of people who would I'll be around after deadline to talk if anyone cares about me caus I won't be dying tonight, ill be around till we lose at endgame Its light red because if I'm wrong on Koshi I think WoS stuff can isn't as bad like I did like most of his posts those just stood out to me as odd. In the green corner we have! austin Austin is in a land of his own in town aside from Tehpoofter he's my topest town! He was actively trying to push against the ML on S&B he was asking lots and lots of questions and is addressing almost everyone in the thread. He was also doing so in a small amount of posts after reading day 1 I thought to myself "Wow how did austin not cap on posts" Then i looked at his filter and he made 19 posts and gave 6 away. To me he felt like the strongest presence in the game but he didn't even make the full posts allotted to him he gave away 1/5th of them. Basically he said a lot in few words which I think is very townie to do scum say little with a lot of words imo. Caller The town reads fall off from here but I think what Caller did (once I got to the part that the nuke was fake) was that he started discussion HELLA early in a gmae with limited postings this was super pro town in my opinion. I think mafia would loved to have rued in the chaos and wasted posts of a game starting he also didn't endanger town and even said that the nuke wasn't real before it hit and Palmer had done the anti-town thing he was claiming. MafiaCaller would have waited until after Palmer did whatever anti-town thing he was going to do (assuming in this case of course Palmer is town) then say "it was just fake bro calm down" instead to me it read kinda like "ok lets not let things get out of hand here I just wanted people to talk" Odin His first post was exactly what I was thinking in my read through. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 14:52 OdinOfPergo wrote: So you're giving up your "if I'm town Palmar is scum" heuristic geript? These people are a lighter green Ceph Palmer Ace Ceph - Made a big post at the start of the day instead of the end he also seemed far more confident than he did in cell mafia as scum to me, this isn't enough for a solid read though. Palmer - His reaction to be a big baby and hold town hostage seems more town than mafia to me but I have a hard time or reading him as mafia. I do however think that as scum Palmer might give up and do the same thing but I feel like he would have screwed with town more. Ace - He called out Foolishness on his weak meta case against SnB and I felt had a townie mindset on the Caller/Palmer situation I think he is wrong on Palmer but he did try to push his lynch on Palmer which is a townie thing. My reason for not putting him higher is that he replied to the post about him not talking about NBA/posting gifs by posting a gif which could be a joke or mafia being like "shit I better give out my town tell thanks for reminding me" So that was the main thing I felt people found scummy about me I will look over other points of if you guys have questions please ask. Other evidence I'm town aside from the fact that I've been trying to figure out the game, talk with everyone, ask questions and find scum. IF you look at my posts they're almost all about who I think is scummy or townie. Also when I was rereading prphlz (before I got salty) I realized his night post where he broke down the votes that went onto Oats I was the one that pushed Oats to majority meaning as we now know Oats as scum was not able to shoot as he had majority so if he saw the wagon swinging I basically saved a town from getting shot. I really don't want to waste anymore time looking at myself and want to actually play and find the last mafia. I will however take questions of course but the case on me is basically the shot and I think my thought process was pretty good (maybe flawed conclusion) but from my perspective I felt the shot was good. 1st post. Ok. The more important part - as you obviously realize - is who you think the remaining scum are and why. If you are town you are in a unique position right now. | ||
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justanothertownie
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But as you said poofter didn't address the real problems here. It is not the shot on koshi. Banks. Look at marvs accusation, look at what we discussed recently. A main point for me is your behaviour towards Ace. You listed him as scumread but never pushed him. You did not vote him despite me pushing him 2 days ago but you DID vote gumshoe who had not returned prior to that. People who list mafia as secondary scumreads are very often mafia themselves. | ||
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