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On May 13 2014 12:19 Eden1892 wrote:
The clearest explanation for ahswtini's sudden shift, in my opinion, is that the idea that we're lynching between ahs and me works out well for ahs. town!ahs, after having stated explicitly that bunnies is the top suspect, would be back to pushing on bunnies today instead of dropping it completely without any explanation, or at least would make some sort of effort to explain the change of heart on bunnies's guilt. scum!ahs, assuming I'm right and there are four mafia left, is quite content to make it a lynch between ahs and me, knowing only one more mislynch is necessary to get the win. scum!ahs is content with this because ahs's teammate will vote to kill me as well, and all the mafia need is one town player to misstep and vote me for it to be all over with.
I think the mafia team are clearly ahswtini and Yell0w. I don't think Epishade wants Yell0w today, so in order to make this work...
##UNVOTE
##VOTE ahswtini
Why would there be four mafia left?
We have lynched 2.
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But we are in lylo assuming there are 4 mafia in this game, 2 would still be alive.
Meaning 1 ml will lead to mafia winning. We HAVE to hit mafia here.
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On May 13 2014 12:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 12:19 Eden1892 wrote:
The clearest explanation for ahswtini's sudden shift, in my opinion, is that the idea that we're lynching between ahs and me works out well for ahs. town!ahs, after having stated explicitly that bunnies is the top suspect, would be back to pushing on bunnies today instead of dropping it completely without any explanation, or at least would make some sort of effort to explain the change of heart on bunnies's guilt. scum!ahs, assuming I'm right and there are four mafia left, is quite content to make it a lynch between ahs and me, knowing only one more mislynch is necessary to get the win. scum!ahs is content with this because ahs's teammate will vote to kill me as well, and all the mafia need is one town player to misstep and vote me for it to be all over with.
I think the mafia team are clearly ahswtini and Yell0w. I don't think Epishade wants Yell0w today, so in order to make this work...
##UNVOTE
##VOTE ahswtini Why would there be four mafia left? We have lynched 2.
Lol, oops
I meant there were four total mafia as opposed to three (which is the only other number that fits the setup). Meaning there are two left like you said and we're at LYLO.
ahs is content with that because the mafia need one more ML which means they only need one townie to be wrong. Those are good odds for the mafia. Town!ahs I think would show a lot more urgency and would either continue pushing the bunnies case or explain the sudden drop. scum!ahs doesn't care because if you or me or Epishade gets it wrong, or even if we're all right and voting for mafia but not all on the same target, they win.
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On May 13 2014 12:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But we are in lylo assuming there are 4 mafia in this game, 2 would still be alive.
Meaning 1 ml will lead to mafia winning. We HAVE to hit mafia here.
Has it ever been confirmed that we have been in LYLO? The only evidence that there are four mafia in total is that "it would fit the setup".
I'm not pushing bunnies anymore because the dfs flip has convinced me that Eden is scum here. I gave the reasons for voting Eden. Unlike him, I don't just push the same person (yellow) all the way through, I reassess the evidence after each flip. dfs and drav both townread me, and they both scumread Eden. They were the most likely people to be bussed by their team, and so they set those reads up accordingly.
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dravernor and dfs were scumreading me or at least not townreading me from day one. You're explicitly forcing the data to fit your preordained conclusion in lieu of looking at the more likely alternatives, because you're scum and you know your teammates' townreads and scumreads look awful for you now, as they're wont to look this late in the game.
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And I haven't pushed the same person all the way through. I was suspicious of Yell0w for a good part of day 1, backed off of him for day 2 and some of day 3, got back on his case going into the end of d3 and d4 and I haven't backed off since. I've been reassessing my reads in light of new data in every sense of the phrase. More spin from you.
What was your case on bunnies in the first place and how could you so easily have abandoned it? What changed? You keep speaking in generalities. I'm speaking in very concrete specifics. You've been speaking in generalities the whole way because it's allowed you to be flexible with who you scumread and townread, because you're afraid of being pinned to a specific position and forced to defend it, because you're scum.
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My only case on bunnies was that her activity had dropped significantly after she had gotten herself cleared by most of the players. And that she's still alive at this stage of the game. Oh, and how dfs gained so many votes that the idea that scum were well hidden in the cleared town circle scared me. After he died and flipped red, I saw you had begrudgingly abandoned your vote on Yellow to hop on the dfs wagon. And at the start of today, you were back on Yellow and now you switch to me.
Eden has been on the wagon of every lynch, but he has never been the one to start that lynch. Same again today, he throws down his typical vote for Yellow, then jumps on my wagon which Epishade started.
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You and Yell0w keep using this terrible argument that your position in the vote wagon matters. It doesn't, at all. What matters is to what extent your words -- how much you campaign for a particular lynch by recruiting people to join it and arguing against opposing wagons -- match your vote. It matters because mafia are scared of being wrong and aren't loud about their answers as a result, where townies dgaf about being wrong and subsequently are loud about trying to get their chosen targets killed. This is mafia 101. And I've clearly and unambiguously worked harder to get my chosen targets lynched and unapologetically pushed to get support for my kill choice, whereas you and Yell0w both have been wishy-washy and hiding in the background for the entire game, only pulled to the front when questioned by people like me trying to figure out who the mafia are.
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I think mafia is keeping me alive because of the fact that my activity has dropped. And they can use this against me to get my mislynched.
I'm not going to let that happen.
So because I am going to be at work when the vote concludes, I think scum is between Ahs and Yell0w.
##Vote:Ahs
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Vote (slave) count:
Eden1892 (2): ahswtini, Yell0w
ahswtini (3): Epishade, Eden1892, 27ninjabunnies
Yell0w (0): Eden1892
Currently, ahswtini is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Tuesday, May 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: Eden1892 voted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: Epishade voted Ahswtini (ahswtini) ( post) VOTE: ahswtini voted Eden1892 ( post) VOTE: Yell0w voted Eden1892 ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted ahswtini ( post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted Ahswtini (ahswtini) ( post)
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So I can't be here today at all, I had time yestesday but no one posted after I posted in the morning and today is completely impossible for me to post after I leave and I won't be back after like 30 minutes after the deadline, and I don't have time to address all of Eden's points in his post, but just to say, dfs and dravernor were not scumreading you from day 1, so please don't use that as an argument, it's a straight up lie.
As for that last post by Eden, why would mafia be scared of being wrong when they know if they're wrong or right? I think what you wanted to say is they want to make it look like they were right even when town mislynched or hit mafia, but the problem with your argument is you keep saying these things that you say mafia should do and then you do the exact opposite to make it seems like you're not mafia. It makes you look more scummy than the people who don't follow your silly rules and just act and talk without putting as much thoughts as you do behind all of your actions and words. Me, as a town, don't want to be wrong, because I want to win this game, you, as mafia, want to be "wrong" so you push town lynches, because you want to win the game.
Also I really think there is only 1 mafia left, I think 4 mafias is too much, I really think they were three, so one left, and I think it's Eden.
And bunnies just voted ahs, so I guess he's gonna get lynched, I'm not completely against it, I just think he acted way more towny than Eden in the last 2 days, I don't know why she thinks I'm scum suddenly though. I guess I don't get the argument against ahs anymore... I don't get it at all, I hope one of you reconsider because I really think Eden is mafia, I really wish people talked yesterday...
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On May 13 2014 22:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I think mafia is keeping me alive because of the fact that my activity has dropped. And they can use this against me to get my mislynched.
I'm not going to let that happen.
So because I am going to be at work when the vote concludes, I think scum is between Ahs and Yell0w.
##Vote:Ahs
And so you think it's me, because I'm the one acting on the fact that your activity has dropped?
I hope to god there's only one mafia left, because then you guys still have a chance.
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On May 13 2014 23:51 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 22:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I think mafia is keeping me alive because of the fact that my activity has dropped. And they can use this against me to get my mislynched.
I'm not going to let that happen.
So because I am going to be at work when the vote concludes, I think scum is between Ahs and Yell0w.
##Vote:Ahs And so you think it's me, because I'm the one acting on the fact that your activity has dropped? I hope to god there's only one mafia left, because then you guys still have a chance.
No, I stated previously why I thought you were scum
You acting on the fact that my activity dropped has nothing to do with myvoting you.
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Though I'm currently going into paranoid mode. What if the team is Epishade/Eden?
Bleh
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ahswtini the helix Worshipper is dead.
24 hours for night actions
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EPT
