EPTActions speak louder than words, there's plenty of time in the day for you to fall from #1 scummer. I mean, epishade isn't that far behind.
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Actions speak louder than words, there's plenty of time in the day for you to fall from #1 scummer. I mean, epishade isn't that far behind. | ||
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On May 03 2014 11:45 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I townread epishade initially because he had taken the time to look at the other games. What reenforced my townread was that he was contributing. He was doing what a good townie should do. My suspicions of him included the votecount, which I made a mistake on, and that he's sheeping most of the time. Okay, but that missed the point a bit. I want to know why those reasons make Epishade higher on your town list than yell0w, to the point where in a final 3 situation you would lynch yell0w. Because in my mind the negative there seems a lot larger than those two positives, which begs the question what about yell0w? | ||
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On May 03 2014 12:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying here. You stated reasons why you think Epishade is town, but not why he is more town than yell0w. So much so that you would lynch yell0w in a f3 scenario. I am also saying that I think the negative you listed outweighs the 2 positives in my mind. | ||
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On May 04 2014 14:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, I can talk finally! I'll read through the last few pages and give yall something to go off of. So here's what we are looking at at the moment. If tamburini got roleblocked, there are two roleblockers in this game, possibly town and mafia. I doubt they would put two mafia rbs or two town rbs. Now, I say this for this reason, I got roleblocked last night. I am neither confirming or denying I am an actual role, I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, if town roleblocker roleblocked me, you are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked me, prepared to get wrecked. Also, if town roleblocker blocked mtamburini, you still are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked him, well, still prepare to get wrecked. Now talk over this while I read over the last few pages. Isn't that confirming that you are a role? I would assume that a townie with no role would not even be informed if they are roleblocked, since there is nothing to block there? And aren't you also not considering the possibility of a jailkeeper? | ||
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On May 04 2014 14:39 Eden1892 wrote: I think there's a really good chance that sqrt and Epishade are two parts of the scumteam, looking at their D2 interactions here. Let's look: - sqrt says that Yell0w is a strong townread, based on events throughout the whole turn. But he says that he would lynch Yell0w over Epishade. When I confronted him about this he completely deflected with a stupid snarky comment about my inactivity instead of answering me. The deflection in particular has really set off alarms to me because I can't see why on Earth he wouldn't just answer me straight as town. This makes sqrt scum, and he wouldn't have any incentive to indicate a preference to preserve town!Epishade over town!Yell0w after townreading town!Yell0w. He obviously would if we're looking at scum!Epishade though. It's also possible that scum!sqrt just slipped up and forgot he was townreading Yell0w heavily, but I think it's more likely that he's defending a teammate. - Epishade stayed away from commenting on the sqrt case, opting instead to give an overly-lengthy explanation of his read on dravernor (neutral). He then opts for lynching Yell0w who he thinks is town... for... information? What? It's Day 2. We can do better than this. I see this as super-scummy and self-evidently so. sqrt then IMMEDIATELY townreads Epishade for this, which is utterly bizarre to me, because Epishade didn't try to gang up on sqrt. sqrt himself said it required us to accept his towniness which is certainly up in the air. I don't buy it and I think sqrt overstepped in trying to prop up his buddy. sqrt and Epishade are scumbuddies. I could see Epishade being town, maybe, and sqrt just slipping on his read of Yell0w, which is why I prefer sqrt. I'll take Epishade as well but I don't feel strongly about the others to lynch them over one of these two. I also have changed my mind about Yell0w after looking at this interaction. There's no way this whole thing goes down with Yell0w also being mafia. I think Yell0w is town looking at this. Still really suspicious of mtamburini, but he's trying to figure things out while half the game isn't, which runs contrary to the serial killer's MO of hiding in the crowd. He's trending town and I'm more inclined to believe he was the vigilante than I am yesterday. I agree with about 95% of this, the only thing that worries me about you Eden is that you walk on the border between aggressive and bloodthirsty, one being a town attribute and the other being mafia. I will say too that sqrt was the hammer vote last day phase on Sweetfrost, for pretty much terrible justification. Then, as you said I bring up a case against him, and Epishade does what Epishade does best: avoid and deflect. I think Epishade saw me put up a decent case on sqrt and chose not to comment on it and instead go back to the yell0w train because he thinks it is an easy mislynch that he knows at least tamburini will be behind. I agree that they are likely mafia together. | ||
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On May 04 2014 14:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, if I was jailed, wouldn't I be told I was jailed and not roleblocked? Then again, I''m not sure how jailer works in forums. It's different in epicmafia and video mafia. I always used this when I previously played as reference for role descriptions: http://mikeburnfire.deviantart.com/art/Mafia-Roles-72597749 It says "he both protects and roleblocks his target" | ||
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On May 04 2014 15:21 mtamburini wrote: Thanks for the summary, now what do you think happened is most likely His post says "Therefore we're in scenario #2 and bunnies was jailed." But I think it meant to say scenario #4 if he meant jailed? Cuz isn't #2 roleblocked? | ||
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On May 04 2014 14:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, I can talk finally! I'll read through the last few pages and give yall something to go off of. So here's what we are looking at at the moment. If tamburini got roleblocked, there are two roleblockers in this game, possibly town and mafia. I doubt they would put two mafia rbs or two town rbs. Now, I say this for this reason, I got roleblocked last night. I am neither confirming or denying I am an actual role, I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, if town roleblocker roleblocked me, you are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked me, prepared to get wrecked. Also, if town roleblocker blocked mtamburini, you still are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked him, well, still prepare to get wrecked. Now talk over this while I read over the last few pages. @tamburini: To me the bolded part reads: "I am a role, but I don't want to say what", how do you read that as she is saying she is a role? | ||
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On May 04 2014 17:11 27ninjabunnies wrote: Ummmm, let me read up on that and get back to you. I'm at a friends' house, so I'm just checking in. Hopefully I'll have one big post for all of you tomorrow. Also, someone CC me, I dare you. Watch me wreck you into the ground. should probably read mine too  | ||
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On May 04 2014 16:58 27ninjabunnies wrote: Alright, are you seriously getting paranoid on me now?! Come on, get real. So I do admit, I haven't been posting as much today due to just leaving my campus, and I'm headed home tomorrow So I'll definitely be able to post more. And lynching me because I went on yell0w, got pretty GREAT reads, enough too possibly get roleblocked by mafia. COME ON TAMBURINI! GET REAL. Anyway, my point is, I didn't think to check my pms because I thought I'd either die in the night, or someone would come out the next day and push on me to make meseem scummy... If I was mafia, I'd do a WAY better play than this, and I wouldn't have been defending you tamburini, if you are actual vigi. You can read me pretty well, and I'd try to get you out of the game asap. I came out with the roleblock claim as soon as I realized I was blocked. And I did it for the reason that tamburini had also claimed he was roleblocked. THIS IS INFORMATION TOWN NEEDS. Because I didn't realize the actual role of the jailer, I didn't know it could be a possible jailer scenerio on me, and for that I am sorry. But if there are 2 roleblockers, 1 for mafia, 1 for town, this is information we could use to our advantage. So, from just my claim we already know one thing, that is if tamburini is truly vig, and was roleblocked. One scenerio is that if tamburini IS vigi, and he was roleblocked, and I was roleblocked, too,(which I was) that means I cannot be a roleblocker. So you have that information, now run wild with it. Well if you compare this bolded part with the roles listed in the game on page 1, then....I'll let you fill in the rest. | ||
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On May 04 2014 17:45 mtamburini wrote: Oh cause if she is roleblocker she couldnt have roleblocked me. That doesnt mean there is not 3 roleblokers this game! perhaps i am taking things for granted, but because this is listed as a "newbie game" and there are so few people; I am really trying not to get into highly complex scenarios where there are multiples of the same role. Maybe I should be, but I am not. If we follow with what eden said earlier, that you were MRB'd and bunnies was TJK'd. You are vigi, bunnies is not the JK because she got JK'd, she says she isn't the roleblocker; so if I am going simple, I arrive at 1 role. | ||
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For those who come on while I am asleep I will leave this here: Town Circle: - Me: I am town - 27ninjabunnies - 99.9% town; unless someone counterclaims her, then I will have to re-evaluate and choose which I believe. - Eden1892 - 92% town; he has a very similar read of the game to me, and has been aggressively pushing people for info. - mtamburini - 89% town; I still believe he is vigi, the reason he is not 98% town is because it has not been proven at night and there may come a time where we mathematically have to lynch him in the event he is the SK and not actually a vigi. If you want more of an explanation on each of them, I can provide it when I wake up. I am pretty much ride or die with these 3 as of right now. Scummers: - sqrt - 87% scum; see my previous posts, I asked him more specific questions, I didn't particularly like the answers provided; but they at least brought him to even with Epishade to where I would lynch either. - Epishade - 87% scum; deflecting hard, trying to bait people into mislynching yell0w or trying to sac yell0w to buy credibility, trying hard to pocket and parrot bunnies. overall scummer. Roller coaster: - yell0w - Null - basically for me fluctuates from town to mafia with every post. some I read and it is like, you're mafia; then others I read and he's town. my most recent read on him is that he is a townie who was just playing bad, but I am sure he will post again and that will change. maybe I just can't read this guy. That's where I am at, there doesn't seem to be too much investment in this day phase; I don't know if that is because it is during the weekend, or what is going on. When I wake up I hope there is more going on. | ||
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On May 05 2014 01:05 mtamburini wrote: Ok so she got Jailed maybe and whatever, why cant she just be a helix worshiper? She doesnt have to be a role. She did say something along the lines of I got roleblocked but I wont say if I was a role or not to keep mafia guessing (thats when my paranoia started kicking in more than ever, had small tiny thing in back of my head about bunnies but it seemed way to crazy to be true bu its creeping up on me.) I am under the impression that in order to receive a pm that you got roleblocked that you have to have a role. Again, this is me assuming things that maybe I shouldn't be assuming; but if I was mod and a VT got roleblocked during the night, I wouldn't pm them that they got RB'd, cuz there is nothing to block. | ||
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i thought the mafia made two pretty significant errors in the game that were not entirely picked up on and exploited as much as they could have been by townies. 1) The night I died, you should have still rb'd tambo instead of mysterymeat. it was clear that tambo was going to "shoot" yell0w; and when you left him un-rb'd it essentially said that you were going to allow him to shoot who he wanted (i.e. not a mafia member). thus essentially 100% clearing yell0w as town instead of leaving it ambiguous and confusing. 2) The moment I died, I knew that eden was mafia. He was the one (contrary to what he said) who brought up the possibility of a jailkeeper; and was fishing for roles really hard at a few points in the game. I was surprised that when he baited my soft claim out and I died that he didn't immediately receive a lot of pressure. Overall, was a fun game. Hopefully we can play more together some time in the future. | ||
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