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On April 26 2014 04:57 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 04:46 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 26 2014 04:39 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 26 2014 03:33 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 26 2014 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
OTW basically here is the situation. We have to figure out who is most likely scum out of Vivax, skanjab aka tweak, and yourself.
CAN YOU HELP?
What are your thoughts on the scumteam and who you want to lynch? Well I'm in an equally sticky situation seeing as I am in the same boat but your name instead of mine. However, I think I'd much rather stick to my gut that said you were town initially than to take everything I was saying about you for the past few days as scum indicative. Now that I look at it with some clarity (and thrawn, koshi and mderg being town etc) I can see someone being less involved in the game as town because they had town reads on a lot of the people and so the game becomes relatively simple at that point. Thus, my initial read would take precedence over you being scummy for not paying attention. I also read over the pages that I missed and your questioning of Skanjab1s seemed very natural and like you wanted him to answer so you could solve his alignment rather than asking questions for the sake of blending in. That leaves me with Skanjab1s, he made a post that triggered some alarm bells for me here: On April 25 2014 05:35 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 25 2014 04:51 kushm4sta wrote:
hmm skan so why vivax over OTW? I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now. If there are 2 scum alive today and 5 people remain, then if he was town, he shouldn't be including something like this as if he is mistaken and the team was in fact me and you then the game would be over instantly. However, the way that it's worded is that if we lynch vivax today then he'd have to think about you tomorrow, implying there WOULD be another day to determine more alignments. His play overall has been severely lacking, he stated he wouldn't be around for a few days at the start of the game and so claimed vig, yet, he has returned several days ago and STILL done nothing of the sort of play that I'd imagine another towny to display, the only thing he has in fact done is answer questions to vivax and then failed in regards to answering your questions. When you asked if there were anymore questions that could be asked, it wasn't as if he was trying to solve your alignment or anyone elses but rather trying to prove his "alignment" instead. I haven't actually returned really, I get the same amount of time to play as I did before, theres just much much less to read. I still only get a short while to play. Also, if we lynch vivax today, and he flips scum like I think he will, then there WOULD be another day to determine more alignments, and to decide between you/kush. You're accusing me of doing the /exact/ same thing you just did at the beginning of your post, and the same thing kush is doing. (which is, deciding between the 3 of us which 2 are scum). Kush, I don't know why you liked this post at all The difference is that I am not sure if you are scum or vivax is scum or kushm4sta is scum and so I am asking follow up questions to make sure that what I was thinking was in fact right. You on the other hand make a sweeping statement with no facts and no followup because you are sure of the facts and so instead of asking questions to lead to the ultimate goal of decision, instead, you just try and discredit the person that you need to get lynched. There are no questions that I can ask that are going to make me any more sure of anyone's alignment. You haven't asked me any questions either. That answer makes no sense. Also, I discredit the arguments, not the people. (By the way, I like, hope you're okay, the accident thing is awful, one of my friends got hit earlier this year in the same way)
Thank you!
In regards to your point, I didn't ask you any questions, simply because you weren't around at the time of my return and my initial response was just a response to Kushm4sta asking a question!
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On April 26 2014 11:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
here's hoping. lol
^^^^
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Sorry guys had a bit of surgery today and have been pretty out of it!
I think I like skanjab1s! The reasons why will come just before I die today  !
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Oh I didn't see my inbox notification they are super subtle. I was roleblocked the other day.
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On April 27 2014 17:36 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 08:57 OneThousandWords wrote:
Oh I didn't see my inbox notification they are super subtle. I was roleblocked the other day. I NEVER MISS AN INBOX NOTIFICATION. I was role blocked. The insignificance of this cannot be overestimated.
It's at a tiny bar on the top of my phone. Anyway, my plan worked perfectly!
Omni was going to lynch skan 100% whereas I said I liked skan. Skanjab1s only option coming into today would be to lynch kushm4sta as he was pushing you all last night. I said I liked skanjab1s and so if kushm4sta was scum I would be dead because omni would be voting skan with him. Seeing as I'm alive it points towards the inevitability that Skanjab1s is mafia.
##vote skanjab1s
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Well... Fine then. I'll make sure to reread your thing on kushm4sta just in case.
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Here's the thing with your case Skanjab1s, it's just you reading his filters and pointing out things which show he had an evolution of thought process. Originally, I also thought it was a towny thing for you to claim being roleblocked but increasingly so your inactivity just seemed to weigh up more and more. I wouldn't be so hesitatnt if you played harder when you said you would (sorry if there's IRL stuff) but you didn't end up doing that and still claimed that you were busy. It's not until the FINAL DAY where YOU had also been town reading kushm4sta that YOU also suddenly switched your read on him from town to scum.
You wrote things like:
On April 21 2014 20:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kush/Koshi/Omni/thrawn are all town. So the last two scum are in Vivax/OTW/mderg.
On April 23 2014 00:55 Skanjab1s wrote:
It's one of OTW/mderg. And it's basically just PoE, I have strong townreads on everyone else in the game and they're the ones that I haven't had any town-feels from.
On April 25 2014 03:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
Err, is anyone else here?
I'm voting thrawn[edit:vivax], I think him and OTW are the last two scum.
On April 25 2014 05:35 Skanjab1s wrote:I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now.
Then, as soon as vivax flips red and omni and kushm4sta town read me you COMPLETELY flip your town read on kush and everything to:
On April 26 2014 18:10 Skanjab1s wrote:
The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning.
Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory.
So why, when kushm4sta displays signs that are similar to yours (and you even pointed the out the parts in your case that highlight his read evolving, not just flat out changing - i.e. his read on vivax going from town to untown to scum is a progression whereas yours is town -> scum when things look bad) does that make him scum and you not scum?
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Oh man, this is really tough! Where is kushm4sta???
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On April 28 2014 04:27 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 04:17 kushm4sta wrote:
"kush is probably town! i dont even want to think about the possibility that kush is scum right now! makes my poor little townie brain hurt!" -skan
we lynch vivax
"KUSH IS SCUM GUYS. ALL MY SUSPICION OF OTW HAS VANISHED FOR NO REASONS. COINCIDENTALLY SWITCHING ME READ LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN WIN AS SCUM BUT DONT PAY ATTENTION TO THAT" - skan Lol. It was PoE moron.
What are you saying is PoE? Your initial town read of Kushm4sta or your now scum read on him? Or are you saying that I was scum purely because of PoE? In that case then Kushm4sta WAS a hard town read for you and so your switch looks incredibly more scum like.
Also if you town read me now and scum read Kush that would purely make your read on Kushm4sta PoE then but you decided to write cases to prove that he is scum, here:
On April 23 2014 02:42 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 02:31 Vivax wrote:Seriously, reread Day1. Look how skanjabis calls out mderg and kush scum, does nothing to push his reads, then when asked by thrawn to switch to FT, he makes up aquick reason and switches: On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down. Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Afterwards his scumread on kush disappears, when kush and thrawn start pushing me he townreads them and scumreads everybody else cause PoE. There is only an apparent evolution of his reads D1 in his filter, zero intention to steer a lynch, jumping on the easiest wagons for the smallest reasons. Yeah, I thought kush was scummy for his early D1 play, then I changed my mind with his later play. You also forget that I voted for FirmTofu after he was actually lynched. I wasn't even aware that the day was close to ending, let alone that it was actually night already. But you can clearly see the progression of my read on FT. I saw him say something I thought was scummy, then questioned him on it and placed a vote on him, hoping for him to respond. That is how I progress with my scumreads.
and here:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2014 02:24 Skanjab1s wrote:That first quote makes me happier with my decision. Scum often like sandwiching one of their scummates between two town, when vivax said "Lynch him and either kush or mderg". Err, this doesn't really help you much, because it could be either one of us, but I'm confident, at least. Here, I made a case against kush: First, his behavior before the mderg lynch: Firstly, he is okay with lynching vivax, this was when people were deciding between mderg and vivax to lynch: Then Vivax comes in and makes a single post and he's all: Right after this, he launches into a full on bandwagon against mderg, pushing him really hard, taking all the attention off of vivax: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't know anymore lol. All I know is mderg is scummy as fuck. Mderg is scummy like the sun is hot. Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 03:04 kushm4sta wrote:
And mderg, otw would not surprise me. After this, he puts light pressure on vivax against to distance himself, and then straight away goes back to his mderg campaign: Secondly, right after the mderg lynch, he knows that Vivax is next on the lynch list, so he suddenly completely changes his super-hard townread of me: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 23:20 kushm4sta wrote:Collection of Skanjab's scumhunting content + Show Spoiler +I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
Talking about nothing to do with scumhunting, and focusing on unimportant things while still making a huge post to feign contribution is scummy. Thats why a scum mderg would do that.
I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now. It's not much and it's not very hard for scum to make those arguments. Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 23:31 kushm4sta wrote:
It really angers me when people fake claim a pr...
I'm thinking I should not be townreading skan. This next one is specially scummy, because earlier, he said: Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 22:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Mderg let's talk about skanjab. Always reminds me of skinjob which reminds me of handjob. Just saying.
But anyway I am thinking he could be town and just fake claiming vig to soak up an rb or something. What do you have to say about that possibility?
Show nested quote +On April 20 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:On April 20 2014 21:15 Vivax wrote:
That looks rather reasonableas answer, but remove me one curiosity: Why is Skanja last on your to-lynch list? Is there anything that makes you think he could be town after that fakeclaim? I think the fake claim itself leans town. I don't find his tone scummy. Now, suddenly as the lynch is between myself and Vivax, he goes into his hardcore tunnel mode, like with mderg, and randomly the claim is scummy now: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 23:40 kushm4sta wrote:
im rereading and skan's content is so shit compared to OTW's.
I'm not sure skan's claim makes sense from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 23:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think we should lynch skan. He has the least content.that is a pretty good indicator. In these quotes he implies that I have the least content and that makes me scummy, (1) He knows that I was away, so I wasn't going to have content regardless (2) If he's talking about actual usefulness, and not just postcount, then he is contradicting himself, as earlier he said that he likes the way I'm thinking about the scumteam: Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Finally, his behavior after the Vivax lynch: He immediately tries to set me up the next lynch. This is something scum often do after they have lost a scumbuddy; they try to hastily set up lynches to recover the momentum of their loss. Now he's back into his hardcore tunnelling mode against me (remember, this was something that was present in his behavior around the cav (i think, i remember reading that somewhere but I haven't checked), mderg (when he tunneled mderg) and vivax (when he tunneled me) lynches.
Previously, it was his play that you town read him for. Now you say your scum read on him is from PoE? yet you decided to make cases on him based on his play that you initially town read him for, that's the opposite of PoE!
Here:On April 26 2014 18:10 Skanjab1s wrote:
The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning.
Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory.
You said it was for his play. Then you made a giant case based on his play.
Now you are saying you un-scumread me and thus Kush was a PoE switch of stance. That doesn't make sense!
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On April 28 2014 04:18 kushm4sta wrote:
otw i swear to god i will transcend space and time and jump through computer screens to murder you if you vote me.
Well, I was tempted to but the more Skanjab1s posts about his read on you the more and more it doesn't add up. I also won't be around for most likely all of tomorrow so I think I'll have to leave my vote on him.
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On April 28 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 11:02 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 28 2014 04:18 kushm4sta wrote:
otw i swear to god i will transcend space and time and jump through computer screens to murder you if you vote me. Well, I was tempted to but the more Skanjab1s posts about his read on you the more and more it doesn't add up. I also won't be around for most likely all of tomorrow so I think I'll have to leave my vote on him. It adds up completely, you're trying overly hard to find missing pieces and things that don't add up, but it all makes sense! Don't just leave your vote on me, think about the stuff I've been saying on kush please.
I will think about it over the course of the day and I'll be back right around deadline time :/ Got a lot of hospital stuff today.
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I'm back now!
On April 29 2014 03:40 kushm4sta wrote:
skanjab wouldn't it be lolz if otw was scum.
I don't know why YOU'RE the one having second thoughts, I've spent the majority of the past few days (other than being poked and prodded) looking at both of your filters and even your past games to get a feel of if you play like this as mafia (admittedly Skanjab1s doesn't have any scum games) I've also been questioning skanjab1s a lot and he has been responding whereas you have just been saying things like "just afk and vote", "if you vote me you suck". I'm kinda terrified that you are scum and it's nagging in the back of my head everytime I think about the game.
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It's like this.
The game gets to a day where it would be over if we lynched someone who was town. Skanjab1s instant votes Vivax with no case, no research, no proof of why he is voting or any justification.
Game gets to the same point the next day, Skanjab1s goes all out and makes loads of cases to try and prove how you are mafia, tries to force out responses to posts, wants you lynched no matter what.
It's that change in play that is really strange, coupled with the way he made the case on you. He didn't realise the content of the posts you were making and how it showed that your reads on people were evolving which indicated to me that he hadn't been reading the actual game but instead just your filter and was trying to make points that made you look like mafia.
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I don't even understand you :p
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On April 29 2014 13:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
LOL I was wondering where you'd been lately HF
Winning as scum, go fucking figure
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EPT
