• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:27
CEST 02:27
KST 09:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0
Community News
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)60Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition285.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119$2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 154
StarCraft 2
General
PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 15
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive
Brood War
General
Whose hotkey signature is this? Any rep analyzer that shows resources situation? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I'm making videos again
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop the Construction YouTube Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1140 users

Catastrophe Mafia - Page 187

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 185 186 187 188 189 317 Next
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 07 2014 20:42 GMT
#3721
On April 08 2014 05:39 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 05:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:35 Killing wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:32 austinmcc wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:28 Killing wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:22 austinmcc wrote:
Can I stop spamming about this and......Oats and Killing and someone read this and give thoughts? Oats, Killing, VA!


My thoughts: Who gives a shit about the color of my role.
No, different thoughts.

If you don't think anyone should give a shit about the color of a role, then do Holyflare's thoughts and actions make sense to you as coming from a townie? Do they make sense as coming from a scum? Do they make sense as scum slipping and trying to cover up that slip? Do they just not make sense period?


As posted above, I think it's probably coming from a townie POV. As scum, it's probably a bad idea to argue over semantics and make yourself look bad. I think there's probably a reasoning over the difference in coloring the role but not one that is currently visible to the town nor the one that HF is proposing. It's townie to trying and figure it out though. If he was mafia, anyone that wins with town is his enemy anyways so he probably wouldn't care much. The only way it would be a good play as mafia is if he's trying to drum up paranoia or some shit but it doesn't make any sense.

He didn't bring that up to talk about it. He was forced to because what he says doesn't add up.
This is the "It's scummy to do scummy things as scum, so scum wouldn't do scummy things" argument.

It is usually a mafia argument, and often mafia defending mafia


Dude, what are you even saying? Do you think Greymist used a bunch of different colors cause he felt like making the game prettier?

If your answer is yes, then enjoy your stay in lala land
If not, there's a reasoning. I think HF argument on the blue vs green was terrible. Why does HF care if he's mafia? You even called it a slip. If HF is mafia, how does he know who is 3p and who is town. He doesn't even have the info.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:44 GMT
#3722
On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum

break down the scenario for me

like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that?


it doesn't make sense because

A) if i was mafia, i wouldn't have that same notion that "blue's might be 3p in this game because it doesn't say they are town" unless my pm was phrased similarly

B) there is no mafia reasoning at all other than jat bringing up stuff about "in my pm it says about winning with town" which also applies to what i thought was 3p role pm's (op says about 3p's winning with town etc.)

so in no position does anything i've said imply that i've slipped up or anything, just that i was wrong about the colour blue and them being town/3p which has nothing to do with being mafia regardless

yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 07 2014 20:45 GMT
#3723
this argument is officially over
Writer@WriterYamato
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 07 2014 20:47 GMT
#3724
On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum

break down the scenario for me

like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that?
It's maybe a combo. He's a person I've been suspicious of, so start from a suspicious mindset if you're trying to be in my head.

(1) There's something that might be a slip (does not know how town role PMs are phrased). It MIGHT be a weird thought from town.

(2) When trying to explain the thing in (1), he says things that are not true (Keirathi' and Gumshoe's role PMs say they're town and not that they win with town ---> this is false). Saying things that are untrue is more likely to be mafia than town, means it's more likely a slip than a weird thought, because a townie having a weird thought doesn't use untruths to substantiate his weird thoughts.

(3) Continues to argue that the statement from (1) is a weird thought from a townie, by saying
  • I cannot be mafia, because it would be dumb for mafia to have my role and claim it.
  • I assumed all the people with "win with the town" were 3P


(4) The FIRST bit there, that he can't be mafia because of the claim, is not of any value. It's clear from THIS GAME that when you claim dimensional lemming, not everyone thinks you're mafia. This is important because HOLY CRAP HE'S THE DIMENSIONAL LEMMING HIMSELF, HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACTED TO HIS CLAIM, AND THEREFORE HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACT TO A CLAIM, AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE'S SAYING. Does that make sense? He is implying he's town because mafia would do what he's done, because x would happen. We all KNOW x wouldn't happen, so his argument is just based on a falsehood.

The SECOND bit there requires him assuming at least 5-6 third parties in this game. Which I think is ridiculous, and cannot be a legitimate thought he had.


Because of (2), him using untruths to try and show how his thought was townie and not a mafia slip, and because of (4), how his further comments are nonsensical coming from a townie/being real thoughts, and HF is not normally a person to just hold a bunch of nonsensical thoughts, it looks more like he's making things up to try and make his comment look more like a dumb comment than a slip.
Fe fi fo fum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 07 2014 20:47 GMT
#3725
On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum

break down the scenario for me

like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that?

How I see this:
HolyFlare didn't know how a town rolepm looked like. He was called out for that, paniced and came up with this ridiculous explanation of how he thought he was 3p and all the other people who flipped blue too because he felt caught.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:48 GMT
#3726
On April 08 2014 04:53 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 04:50 Koshi wrote:
why we care so much about HF. His list looks pretty good.
He is not lynch material except if he stole this list from people who were going to bring this list public really soonish and HF just posted it fast for town cred.

I am lynching many peoples on the list before HF tbh.
His list is bad and is the "people not voting" list. There are a number of folks on there who are unlikely to be mafia.

The kita/foolishness list, modified in a couple ways, is better (drop syllo for his scum claim, drop poofter for being dead, drop amiko for the syllo bit)



On April 08 2014 05:31 austinmcc wrote:
Well, for one, everyone is green and apparently there was a big difference between green and blue in your mind

I would color JAT townie. He's on the right track here, he looked alright to me previously. The only hesitation is him not wanting a syllo shot and then being perfectly fine with syllo as a lynch option, but he can go to the bottom of a townpile, as I was townie myself on syllo D1 (although I didn't flop from townie --> good lynch like JAT seems to have (before the whole visitation and poofter check junk).

I color poofter only slightly less town, not as a lynch for today, but to follow his checks and make sure he's doing what he says he's doing. Syllo is a very visible player, and became SUPER visible today. If scum think they're going to lose him soonish no matter what, and poofter looks iffy, he's fine to say he's got a red check on syllo.

I would color rayn honorary red for killing a townie.

I think I like that WoS read, not sure on that hopeless one.


why did you say the list was bad but then change exactly 1 thing..............? so then the list is in fact good?
you also mention poofter is dying today but then say he isn't to be trusted not long after? wut
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 07 2014 20:49 GMT
#3727
Just listen to austin he gets it.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 07 2014 20:51 GMT
#3728
On April 08 2014 05:42 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 05:39 austinmcc wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:35 Killing wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:32 austinmcc wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:28 Killing wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:22 austinmcc wrote:
Can I stop spamming about this and......Oats and Killing and someone read this and give thoughts? Oats, Killing, VA!


My thoughts: Who gives a shit about the color of my role.
No, different thoughts.

If you don't think anyone should give a shit about the color of a role, then do Holyflare's thoughts and actions make sense to you as coming from a townie? Do they make sense as coming from a scum? Do they make sense as scum slipping and trying to cover up that slip? Do they just not make sense period?


As posted above, I think it's probably coming from a townie POV. As scum, it's probably a bad idea to argue over semantics and make yourself look bad. I think there's probably a reasoning over the difference in coloring the role but not one that is currently visible to the town nor the one that HF is proposing. It's townie to trying and figure it out though. If he was mafia, anyone that wins with town is his enemy anyways so he probably wouldn't care much. The only way it would be a good play as mafia is if he's trying to drum up paranoia or some shit but it doesn't make any sense.

He didn't bring that up to talk about it. He was forced to because what he says doesn't add up.
This is the "It's scummy to do scummy things as scum, so scum wouldn't do scummy things" argument.

It is usually a mafia argument, and often mafia defending mafia


Dude, what are you even saying? Do you think Greymist used a bunch of different colors cause he felt like making the game prettier?

If your answer is yes, then enjoy your stay in lala land
If not, there's a reasoning. I think HF argument on the blue vs green was terrible. Why does HF care if he's mafia? You even called it a slip. If HF is mafia, how does he know who is 3p and who is town. He doesn't even have the info.
I am saying you look scummier for that comment.

"As scum, it's a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, someone who does something that makes him look bad is town."

That is GENERALLY a mafia argument when I've seen it. Within the last week it has been used by mafia to defend a scumbuddy on this forum.

Like, fill in some proper names there. "As scum, it'a a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, Holyflare is town because he did something that made him look bad (this argument)." Within that statement, you're saying HolyFlare did something that looked bad. Otherwise the "scum wouldn't do things that look bad" argument is inapplicable, you HAVE to have done something that looked bad for it to be a relevant argument.

But you just push that aside entirely and give some silliness about how he can't have info on 3Ps or would be paranoid or would know that "wins with the town" = TEH ENEMIEZ
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:51 GMT
#3729
austin doesn't get anything and neither do you
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 07 2014 20:53 GMT
#3730
On April 08 2014 05:48 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 04:53 austinmcc wrote:
On April 08 2014 04:50 Koshi wrote:
why we care so much about HF. His list looks pretty good.
He is not lynch material except if he stole this list from people who were going to bring this list public really soonish and HF just posted it fast for town cred.

I am lynching many peoples on the list before HF tbh.
His list is bad and is the "people not voting" list. There are a number of folks on there who are unlikely to be mafia.

The kita/foolishness list, modified in a couple ways, is better (drop syllo for his scum claim, drop poofter for being dead, drop amiko for the syllo bit)



Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 05:31 austinmcc wrote:
Well, for one, everyone is green and apparently there was a big difference between green and blue in your mind

I would color JAT townie. He's on the right track here, he looked alright to me previously. The only hesitation is him not wanting a syllo shot and then being perfectly fine with syllo as a lynch option, but he can go to the bottom of a townpile, as I was townie myself on syllo D1 (although I didn't flop from townie --> good lynch like JAT seems to have (before the whole visitation and poofter check junk).

I color poofter only slightly less town, not as a lynch for today, but to follow his checks and make sure he's doing what he says he's doing. Syllo is a very visible player, and became SUPER visible today. If scum think they're going to lose him soonish no matter what, and poofter looks iffy, he's fine to say he's got a red check on syllo.

I would color rayn honorary red for killing a townie.

I think I like that WoS read, not sure on that hopeless one.


why did you say the list was bad but then change exactly 1 thing..............? so then the list is in fact good?
you also mention poofter is dying today but then say he isn't to be trusted not long after? wut
You made the list comment right after this:
On April 08 2014 03:03 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
Not voting (10): IAmRobik, LSB, austinmcc, iamperfection, strongandbig, Palmar, Djodref, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, sandroba


these people need to sort their shit out
On April 08 2014 03:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 03:04 justanothertownie wrote:
I won't discuss this with you any further. It leads nowhere and I got the feeling that you are being dense on purpose.


who really cares, i've given you a list, you are arguing about numbers not the people on the list, your point is irrelevant to the game


See the first comment. When I'm responding at the top there, the "list" i thought Koshi was talking about was the list of not votings. There were two lists, one you made, one that was in the votecount and had just been mentioned.
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:55 GMT
#3731
On April 08 2014 05:47 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum

break down the scenario for me

like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that?
It's maybe a combo. He's a person I've been suspicious of, so start from a suspicious mindset if you're trying to be in my head.

(1) There's something that might be a slip (does not know how town role PMs are phrased). It MIGHT be a weird thought from town.

(2) When trying to explain the thing in (1), he says things that are not true (Keirathi' and Gumshoe's role PMs say they're town and not that they win with town ---> this is false). Saying things that are untrue is more likely to be mafia than town, means it's more likely a slip than a weird thought, because a townie having a weird thought doesn't use untruths to substantiate his weird thoughts.

(3) Continues to argue that the statement from (1) is a weird thought from a townie, by saying
  • I cannot be mafia, because it would be dumb for mafia to have my role and claim it.
  • I assumed all the people with "win with the town" were 3P


(4) The FIRST bit there, that he can't be mafia because of the claim, is not of any value. It's clear from THIS GAME that when you claim dimensional lemming, not everyone thinks you're mafia. This is important because HOLY CRAP HE'S THE DIMENSIONAL LEMMING HIMSELF, HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACTED TO HIS CLAIM, AND THEREFORE HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACT TO A CLAIM, AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE'S SAYING. Does that make sense? He is implying he's town because mafia would do what he's done, because x would happen. We all KNOW x wouldn't happen, so his argument is just based on a falsehood.

The SECOND bit there requires him assuming at least 5-6 third parties in this game. Which I think is ridiculous, and cannot be a legitimate thought he had.


Because of (2), him using untruths to try and show how his thought was townie and not a mafia slip, and because of (4), how his further comments are nonsensical coming from a townie/being real thoughts, and HF is not normally a person to just hold a bunch of nonsensical thoughts, it looks more like he's making things up to try and make his comment look more like a dumb comment than a slip.


this is getting hilarious

1) not a slip, mafia would know about blues and greens being town and not 3p
2) keirathi and gumshoe are green with powers (which confirmed my point in my mind) and come from a point in time of the game where i wasn't really paying attention like i've stated multiple times in the game
3/4) if the only precedent is that dimensional lemming is a mafia role then yes, it is retarded for mafia to start claiming dimensional lemming on day 1 (how can i predict the future of what people are going to say...?)




this whole thing is retarded from jat/austin and it's why i'm not really sure why i trust people's reads of them! like, whatever if you don't believe me i don't care, you can lynch me at some point when things start not adding up or check me or do whatever?

i've told you my side of the story, you've said yours, there's literally 0 need to keep hammering on about it and making it a big deal because people know the information! i've given you a list which you called bad but you agree with all of it, why is that?

Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 07 2014 20:56 GMT
#3732
On April 08 2014 05:47 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum

break down the scenario for me

like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that?
It's maybe a combo. He's a person I've been suspicious of, so start from a suspicious mindset if you're trying to be in my head.

(1) There's something that might be a slip (does not know how town role PMs are phrased). It MIGHT be a weird thought from town.

(2) When trying to explain the thing in (1), he says things that are not true (Keirathi' and Gumshoe's role PMs say they're town and not that they win with town ---> this is false). Saying things that are untrue is more likely to be mafia than town, means it's more likely a slip than a weird thought, because a townie having a weird thought doesn't use untruths to substantiate his weird thoughts.

(3) Continues to argue that the statement from (1) is a weird thought from a townie, by saying
  • I cannot be mafia, because it would be dumb for mafia to have my role and claim it.
  • I assumed all the people with "win with the town" were 3P


(4) The FIRST bit there, that he can't be mafia because of the claim, is not of any value. It's clear from THIS GAME that when you claim dimensional lemming, not everyone thinks you're mafia. This is important because HOLY CRAP HE'S THE DIMENSIONAL LEMMING HIMSELF, HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACTED TO HIS CLAIM, AND THEREFORE HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACT TO A CLAIM, AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE'S SAYING. Does that make sense? He is implying he's town because mafia would do what he's done, because x would happen. We all KNOW x wouldn't happen, so his argument is just based on a falsehood.

The SECOND bit there requires him assuming at least 5-6 third parties in this game. Which I think is ridiculous, and cannot be a legitimate thought he had.


Because of (2), him using untruths to try and show how his thought was townie and not a mafia slip, and because of (4), how his further comments are nonsensical coming from a townie/being real thoughts, and HF is not normally a person to just hold a bunch of nonsensical thoughts, it looks more like he's making things up to try and make his comment look more like a dumb comment than a slip.


Do you have any theories over the color difference?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:56 GMT
#3733
nvm about the end you've answered it
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
April 07 2014 20:58 GMT
#3734
On April 05 2014 07:13 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 07:11 marvellosity wrote:
effectively amiko has made a quite weird 3p read on Robik.

and for some reason i kinda trust kita.

Maybe I'm a 3p and don't know it? I do know that I win with the town so either way. I'm a good guy <--- RIP Rayn

So like, I thought the HF stuff was weird, but his reaction (minus the weird way he's defending himself) is similar to mine and I'm blue.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 07 2014 21:02 GMT
#3735
On April 08 2014 05:56 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 05:47 austinmcc wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum

break down the scenario for me

like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that?
It's maybe a combo. He's a person I've been suspicious of, so start from a suspicious mindset if you're trying to be in my head.

(1) There's something that might be a slip (does not know how town role PMs are phrased). It MIGHT be a weird thought from town.

(2) When trying to explain the thing in (1), he says things that are not true (Keirathi' and Gumshoe's role PMs say they're town and not that they win with town ---> this is false). Saying things that are untrue is more likely to be mafia than town, means it's more likely a slip than a weird thought, because a townie having a weird thought doesn't use untruths to substantiate his weird thoughts.

(3) Continues to argue that the statement from (1) is a weird thought from a townie, by saying
  • I cannot be mafia, because it would be dumb for mafia to have my role and claim it.
  • I assumed all the people with "win with the town" were 3P


(4) The FIRST bit there, that he can't be mafia because of the claim, is not of any value. It's clear from THIS GAME that when you claim dimensional lemming, not everyone thinks you're mafia. This is important because HOLY CRAP HE'S THE DIMENSIONAL LEMMING HIMSELF, HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACTED TO HIS CLAIM, AND THEREFORE HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACT TO A CLAIM, AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE'S SAYING. Does that make sense? He is implying he's town because mafia would do what he's done, because x would happen. We all KNOW x wouldn't happen, so his argument is just based on a falsehood.

The SECOND bit there requires him assuming at least 5-6 third parties in this game. Which I think is ridiculous, and cannot be a legitimate thought he had.


Because of (2), him using untruths to try and show how his thought was townie and not a mafia slip, and because of (4), how his further comments are nonsensical coming from a townie/being real thoughts, and HF is not normally a person to just hold a bunch of nonsensical thoughts, it looks more like he's making things up to try and make his comment look more like a dumb comment than a slip.


Do you have any theories over the color difference?
My theory is that it doesn't matter
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 07 2014 21:21 GMT
#3736
On April 08 2014 06:02 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 05:56 Killing wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:47 austinmcc wrote:
On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum

break down the scenario for me

like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that?
It's maybe a combo. He's a person I've been suspicious of, so start from a suspicious mindset if you're trying to be in my head.

(1) There's something that might be a slip (does not know how town role PMs are phrased). It MIGHT be a weird thought from town.

(2) When trying to explain the thing in (1), he says things that are not true (Keirathi' and Gumshoe's role PMs say they're town and not that they win with town ---> this is false). Saying things that are untrue is more likely to be mafia than town, means it's more likely a slip than a weird thought, because a townie having a weird thought doesn't use untruths to substantiate his weird thoughts.

(3) Continues to argue that the statement from (1) is a weird thought from a townie, by saying
  • I cannot be mafia, because it would be dumb for mafia to have my role and claim it.
  • I assumed all the people with "win with the town" were 3P


(4) The FIRST bit there, that he can't be mafia because of the claim, is not of any value. It's clear from THIS GAME that when you claim dimensional lemming, not everyone thinks you're mafia. This is important because HOLY CRAP HE'S THE DIMENSIONAL LEMMING HIMSELF, HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACTED TO HIS CLAIM, AND THEREFORE HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACT TO A CLAIM, AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE'S SAYING. Does that make sense? He is implying he's town because mafia would do what he's done, because x would happen. We all KNOW x wouldn't happen, so his argument is just based on a falsehood.

The SECOND bit there requires him assuming at least 5-6 third parties in this game. Which I think is ridiculous, and cannot be a legitimate thought he had.


Because of (2), him using untruths to try and show how his thought was townie and not a mafia slip, and because of (4), how his further comments are nonsensical coming from a townie/being real thoughts, and HF is not normally a person to just hold a bunch of nonsensical thoughts, it looks more like he's making things up to try and make his comment look more like a dumb comment than a slip.


Do you have any theories over the color difference?
My theory is that it doesn't matter
Also I suppose I should present evidence to support this theory.

In Aperture 1 - There were green and blue roles. Both were town. There was no difference.

Aperture 2 and Chrono Trigger both had just blues. You get no links.

I don't remember other Greymist games off the top of my head, someone else might.

Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 21:26 GMT
#3737
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 07 2014 21:28 GMT
#3738
On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1
That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is.

Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 07 2014 21:32 GMT
#3739
I'd kill Killing.

Townies defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but this case is different because of x, y, z" or "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but I think these other things he's done are townie, and overall he's townie." Scum defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but scum don't like being scummy, so him doing a scummy thing makes him town." (BECAUSE HOLY CRAP THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONCE, EVERYONE IN THE GAME EVER WHO DOES SCUMMY STUFF IS KINDA TOWN IN YOUR BOOK AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE)

On April 03 2014 12:05 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 11:59 sandroba wrote:
I don't think any button discussion is going to get us anywhere. How about we see what people decide to do and talk about it when it becomes relevant? My initial guess is most of us don't want CATASTROPHE in our lives right now.


You're assuming the catastrophe will be town specific. It's possible that it makes the game harder for mafia and 3p at the same time. I think we also have to put some value on the button. We need to know how important it is to have it guarded or try to deactivate it compared to using our town powers. It might be that it's better to have weaker roles guard the button rather than carry out their business. If we don't make a plan to deal with the button, mafia might just make a rush for it if they assume the consequences will fall on the town side.
Here, Killing is of the mindset that perhaps that Catastrophe is good for town. This is true, we don't know what the Catastrophe is, and whether it's good or bad.

On April 07 2014 08:48 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2014 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
On April 07 2014 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
On April 07 2014 08:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dunno, I pushed the button

zz

did you forget that was an option? I need CATASTROPHE™ to occur if I'm going to make any money.


So you're not town.........
Here, Hopeless is not town because he wants Catastrophe to happen. Implying that Catastrophe is bad for town only.

Which is the opposite of the above. We have learned nothing about Catastrophe, are entirely unsure what it does. Killing argues that it MIGHT be beneficial to town, perhaps, but then that Hopeless is scum for wanting it to happen.
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 21:34 GMT
#3740
On April 08 2014 06:28 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1
That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is.

Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role.


What...? I'm saying i DID talk about it how are you being so dense. I am saying that it proves I'm not mafia because if i was mafia i got a traditionally mafia sided role and then started talking about it in thread straight away which would be suicide. That does not add up at all!
Prev 1 185 186 187 188 189 317 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 33m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft459
PartinGtheBigBoy 148
SpeCial 115
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 662
910 9
Dota 2
monkeys_forever120
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King112
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor197
Other Games
summit1g7332
FrodaN3693
Grubby2250
Skadoodle131
ViBE123
Trikslyr81
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1052
BasetradeTV113
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 80
• davetesta8
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler57
League of Legends
• Doublelift3770
Other Games
• Scarra801
• Shiphtur676
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
9h 33m
Map Test Tournament
10h 33m
Zoun vs Spirit
Reynor vs herO
Clem vs MaxPax
OSC
11h 33m
IPSL
18h 33m
Bonyth vs Art_Of_Turtle
Razz vs rasowy
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
Barracks vs Snow
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs Bisu
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
The PondCast
4 days
OSC
4 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Safe House 2
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
Maestros of the Game
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
WardiTV TLMC #15
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.