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There's nothing else that jumps out at me in Killing's filter to push me either way. Some participation in goings-on, random calls for speculation about the button and whatnot, but in general nothing overly townie or scummy, besides that stance on the Catastrophe.
I mainly would be alright with killing him for the argument above on HF.
Based on all the button speculation, his role is probably interested in the button somehow, just in one of those bluesnipey ways where constantly talking about x means your role involves x.
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On April 08 2014 06:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 06:28 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is. Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role. What...? I'm saying i DID talk about it how are you being so dense. I am saying that it proves I'm not mafia because if i was mafia i got a traditionally mafia sided role and then started talking about it in thread straight away which would be suicide. That does not add up at all! Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 You're saying that you DID talk about it, but saying that you WOULDN'T talk about it if you were mafia. I disagree with that. Yeah, we're not meeting heads on here, you DID talk about it, we agree, you WOULDN'T talk about it as mafia, we disagree there.
"Traditionally" is a stretch.
And again. What you're arguing is that when someone talks about that role, people will assume they're mafia. THAT is your reason for saying mafia wouldn't talk about having this role.
But nobody assumed you were mafia for your role. 29 people, 0 assumptions. So your argument that mafiaHoly wouldn't talk about his role is WEAK at best, MEANINGLESS to me, because we KNOW that people don't do what you are saying you think they would.
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On April 08 2014 05:42 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 05:39 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 05:38 justanothertownie wrote:On April 08 2014 05:35 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 05:32 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 05:28 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 05:22 austinmcc wrote:
Can I stop spamming about this and......Oats and Killing and someone read this and give thoughts? Oats, Killing, VA! My thoughts: Who gives a shit about the color of my role. No, different thoughts. If you don't think anyone should give a shit about the color of a role, then do Holyflare's thoughts and actions make sense to you as coming from a townie? Do they make sense as coming from a scum? Do they make sense as scum slipping and trying to cover up that slip? Do they just not make sense period? As posted above, I think it's probably coming from a townie POV. As scum, it's probably a bad idea to argue over semantics and make yourself look bad. I think there's probably a reasoning over the difference in coloring the role but not one that is currently visible to the town nor the one that HF is proposing. It's townie to trying and figure it out though. If he was mafia, anyone that wins with town is his enemy anyways so he probably wouldn't care much. The only way it would be a good play as mafia is if he's trying to drum up paranoia or some shit but it doesn't make any sense. He didn't bring that up to talk about it. He was forced to because what he says doesn't add up. This is the "It's scummy to do scummy things as scum, so scum wouldn't do scummy things" argument. It is usually a mafia argument, and often mafia defending mafia Dude, what are you even saying? Do you think Greymist used a bunch of different colors cause he felt like making the game prettier?
If your answer is yes, then enjoy your stay in lala land
If not, there's a reasoning.
i just saw this. this is hilarious
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On April 08 2014 05:45 yamato77 wrote:
this argument is officially over
My eyeballs are bleeding
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On April 08 2014 06:32 austinmcc wrote:I'd kill Killing. Townies defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but this case is different because of x, y, z" or "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but I think these other things he's done are townie, and overall he's townie." Scum defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but scum don't like being scummy, so him doing a scummy thing makes him town." (BECAUSE HOLY CRAP THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONCE, EVERYONE IN THE GAME EVER WHO DOES SCUMMY STUFF IS KINDA TOWN IN YOUR BOOK AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE) Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:05 Killing wrote:On April 03 2014 11:59 sandroba wrote:
I don't think any button discussion is going to get us anywhere. How about we see what people decide to do and talk about it when it becomes relevant? My initial guess is most of us don't want CATASTROPHE in our lives right now. You're assuming the catastrophe will be town specific. It's possible that it makes the game harder for mafia and 3p at the same time. I think we also have to put some value on the button. We need to know how important it is to have it guarded or try to deactivate it compared to using our town powers. It might be that it's better to have weaker roles guard the button rather than carry out their business. If we don't make a plan to deal with the button, mafia might just make a rush for it if they assume the consequences will fall on the town side. Here, Killing is of the mindset that perhaps that Catastrophe is good for town. This is true, we don't know what the Catastrophe is, and whether it's good or bad. Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 08:48 Killing wrote:On April 07 2014 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 07 2014 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:On April 07 2014 08:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dunno, I pushed the button zz did you forget that was an option? I need CATASTROPHE™ to occur if I'm going to make any money. So you're not town......... Here, Hopeless is not town because he wants Catastrophe to happen. Implying that Catastrophe is bad for town only. Which is the opposite of the above. We have learned nothing about Catastrophe, are entirely unsure what it does. Killing argues that it MIGHT be beneficial to town, perhaps, but then that Hopeless is scum for wanting it to happen.
Yeah, I retract my townread.
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On April 08 2014 06:37 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 06:34 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2014 06:28 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is. Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role. What...? I'm saying i DID talk about it how are you being so dense. I am saying that it proves I'm not mafia because if i was mafia i got a traditionally mafia sided role and then started talking about it in thread straight away which would be suicide. That does not add up at all! Show nested quote +Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 You're saying that you DID talk about it, but saying that you WOULDN'T talk about it if you were mafia. I disagree with that. Yeah, we're not meeting heads on here, you DID talk about it, we agree, you WOULDN'T talk about it as mafia, we disagree there. "Traditionally" is a stretch. And again. What you're arguing is that when someone talks about that role, people will assume they're mafia. THAT is your reason for saying mafia wouldn't talk about having this role.
But nobody assumed you were mafia for your role. 29 people, 0 assumptions. So your argument that mafiaHoly wouldn't talk about his role is WEAK at best, MEANINGLESS to me, because we KNOW that people don't do what you are saying you think they would.
THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING, why would i take that risk!?!?!?!? how can i predict the future that everyone would just put it aside, if i was mafia HOW DO I KNOW that powers don't = alignments, I CANNOT know that unless i got a mafia role but in a town (or what i thought was 3p town win con) alignment!
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On April 08 2014 06:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 06:32 austinmcc wrote:I'd kill Killing. Townies defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but this case is different because of x, y, z" or "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but I think these other things he's done are townie, and overall he's townie." Scum defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but scum don't like being scummy, so him doing a scummy thing makes him town." (BECAUSE HOLY CRAP THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONCE, EVERYONE IN THE GAME EVER WHO DOES SCUMMY STUFF IS KINDA TOWN IN YOUR BOOK AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE) On April 03 2014 12:05 Killing wrote:On April 03 2014 11:59 sandroba wrote:
I don't think any button discussion is going to get us anywhere. How about we see what people decide to do and talk about it when it becomes relevant? My initial guess is most of us don't want CATASTROPHE in our lives right now. You're assuming the catastrophe will be town specific. It's possible that it makes the game harder for mafia and 3p at the same time. I think we also have to put some value on the button. We need to know how important it is to have it guarded or try to deactivate it compared to using our town powers. It might be that it's better to have weaker roles guard the button rather than carry out their business. If we don't make a plan to deal with the button, mafia might just make a rush for it if they assume the consequences will fall on the town side. Here, Killing is of the mindset that perhaps that Catastrophe is good for town. This is true, we don't know what the Catastrophe is, and whether it's good or bad. On April 07 2014 08:48 Killing wrote:On April 07 2014 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 07 2014 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:On April 07 2014 08:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dunno, I pushed the button zz did you forget that was an option? I need CATASTROPHE™ to occur if I'm going to make any money. So you're not town......... Here, Hopeless is not town because he wants Catastrophe to happen. Implying that Catastrophe is bad for town only. Which is the opposite of the above. We have learned nothing about Catastrophe, are entirely unsure what it does. Killing argues that it MIGHT be beneficial to town, perhaps, but then that Hopeless is scum for wanting it to happen. Yeah, I retract my townread.
on killing?
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On April 08 2014 06:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 06:37 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 06:34 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2014 06:28 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is. Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role. What...? I'm saying i DID talk about it how are you being so dense. I am saying that it proves I'm not mafia because if i was mafia i got a traditionally mafia sided role and then started talking about it in thread straight away which would be suicide. That does not add up at all! Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 You're saying that you DID talk about it, but saying that you WOULDN'T talk about it if you were mafia. I disagree with that. Yeah, we're not meeting heads on here, you DID talk about it, we agree, you WOULDN'T talk about it as mafia, we disagree there. "Traditionally" is a stretch. And again. What you're arguing is that when someone talks about that role, people will assume they're mafia. THAT is your reason for saying mafia wouldn't talk about having this role.
But nobody assumed you were mafia for your role. 29 people, 0 assumptions. So your argument that mafiaHoly wouldn't talk about his role is WEAK at best, MEANINGLESS to me, because we KNOW that people don't do what you are saying you think they would. THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING, why would i take that risk!?!?!?!? how can i predict the future that everyone would just put it aside, if i was mafia HOW DO I KNOW that powers don't = alignments, I CANNOT know that unless i got a mafia role but in a town (or what i thought was 3p town win con) alignment!
i mean your team could tell you, this is a pretty bad argument.
still this whole argument is rpetty bad. how about you two keep talking about killing or whatever else you can think of thats not this.
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Austin stop giving him the chance to make this a shitfest. People will only mistakenly townread him for that.
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On April 08 2014 06:45 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 06:43 justanothertownie wrote:On April 08 2014 06:32 austinmcc wrote:I'd kill Killing. Townies defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but this case is different because of x, y, z" or "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but I think these other things he's done are townie, and overall he's townie." Scum defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but scum don't like being scummy, so him doing a scummy thing makes him town." (BECAUSE HOLY CRAP THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONCE, EVERYONE IN THE GAME EVER WHO DOES SCUMMY STUFF IS KINDA TOWN IN YOUR BOOK AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE) On April 03 2014 12:05 Killing wrote:On April 03 2014 11:59 sandroba wrote:
I don't think any button discussion is going to get us anywhere. How about we see what people decide to do and talk about it when it becomes relevant? My initial guess is most of us don't want CATASTROPHE in our lives right now. You're assuming the catastrophe will be town specific. It's possible that it makes the game harder for mafia and 3p at the same time. I think we also have to put some value on the button. We need to know how important it is to have it guarded or try to deactivate it compared to using our town powers. It might be that it's better to have weaker roles guard the button rather than carry out their business. If we don't make a plan to deal with the button, mafia might just make a rush for it if they assume the consequences will fall on the town side. Here, Killing is of the mindset that perhaps that Catastrophe is good for town. This is true, we don't know what the Catastrophe is, and whether it's good or bad. On April 07 2014 08:48 Killing wrote:On April 07 2014 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 07 2014 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:On April 07 2014 08:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dunno, I pushed the button zz did you forget that was an option? I need CATASTROPHE™ to occur if I'm going to make any money. So you're not town......... Here, Hopeless is not town because he wants Catastrophe to happen. Implying that Catastrophe is bad for town only. Which is the opposite of the above. We have learned nothing about Catastrophe, are entirely unsure what it does. Killing argues that it MIGHT be beneficial to town, perhaps, but then that Hopeless is scum for wanting it to happen. Yeah, I retract my townread. on killing?
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zzzzzzzzzzz i've given you the list and you're just sheeping it now 
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On April 08 2014 06:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 06:37 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 06:34 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2014 06:28 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is. Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role. What...? I'm saying i DID talk about it how are you being so dense. I am saying that it proves I'm not mafia because if i was mafia i got a traditionally mafia sided role and then started talking about it in thread straight away which would be suicide. That does not add up at all! Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 You're saying that you DID talk about it, but saying that you WOULDN'T talk about it if you were mafia. I disagree with that. Yeah, we're not meeting heads on here, you DID talk about it, we agree, you WOULDN'T talk about it as mafia, we disagree there. "Traditionally" is a stretch. And again. What you're arguing is that when someone talks about that role, people will assume they're mafia. THAT is your reason for saying mafia wouldn't talk about having this role.
But nobody assumed you were mafia for your role. 29 people, 0 assumptions. So your argument that mafiaHoly wouldn't talk about his role is WEAK at best, MEANINGLESS to me, because we KNOW that people don't do what you are saying you think they would. THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING, why would i take that risk!?!?!?!? how can i predict the future that everyone would just put it aside, if i was mafia HOW DO I KNOW that powers don't = alignments, I CANNOT know that unless i got a mafia role but in a town (or what i thought was 3p town win con) alignment! You're a step off.
You're arguing hard for this being a risk, for thinking that mafia wouldn't do something because people would find it all scummy. But you're arguing that now, today, when D1 shows that it is a bad argument. If you HELD that belief, if you're being truthful, then your belief was questionable and you shouldn't be using it to bolster your arguments. If you NEVER HELD that belief, because you're lying, then you're pretty much mafia for lying so oh well.
You may have thought there was a risk, but at this point in time you shouldn't be thinking there was and arguing about it and thinking that it's a strong point.
Really, I just just generally seen town Holyflare make sensible arguments and whatnot. In this game, you're making THESE arguments, and you're thinking DI is scum on D1 and pushing that.
Random people are correct that this should stop, however. Whatchoo think about Killing's comment on you?
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Oats/JAT/LSB/VA/Hopeless/VE/Killing
Dude there is so much KP. When there are 7 scummers this game is practically lost / very hard or some serious town powerroles need to step forward.
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We need like 6 scummers and 2 die now.
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I need to upgrade my minions this night.
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Who killed BH btw?
It's not that it is the worst kill but I think there could be better targets. was it Oats?
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On April 08 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote:
Who killed BH btw?
It's not that it is the worst kill but I think there could be better targets. was it Oats?
You need to read, dude.
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Does anyone have a compelling reason that Koshi is town?
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On April 07 2014 23:58 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 23:30 strongandbig wrote:
sadroba was that the dayvig I gave you that killed bh?
oats I'll PM you but you know you could also pm me if you wanted o talks about something.
yes.
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