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On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote: so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure. dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch. Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum? | ||
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Cell 1 Raynpelikonoshi--Very tempted to lynch because I can't read Koshi and I don't think Rayn has called me super town yet Gumshoe--solid player with alright reads generally but pretty obvious as scum Steveling--??? Cell 2 Holyflare-scum Tehpoofter--very good player, still adjusting to forum, low volume poster mderg--????? Cell 3 Palmar--strong player Sentinel--I don't really remember him much Coagulation--Policy lynch option, both lurkers Cell 4 Balla24--meh LSB--meh Alakaslam--likely scum Cell 5 Getmoript--clearly town, great at endgame, super stronk townie prplhz--decent player, generally low volume, scummy first post Cephiro--solid playler Rayn I'm having a hard time reading Koshi... Why wouldn't he push himself for mayor on D1/0 whatever it is today? Like Cell 2 is obviously the best first lynch. HF busses as scum and has ok reads as town. I'd love to policy lynch him and under no circumstances should he ever be allowed to mid-late game. Cell 3 should be the third lynch 100%. Palmar is someone who, for lack of a better lynch, we can lynch and then sheep his reads; I'm tempted to move this up to slot 2 because Palmer tends to get worse as time goes on. Cell 4 should probably be the second lynch though because they're mostly unreadable and I want to lynch Alakaslam so that makes that pretty easy. Cell 1 is clearly next because me and rayn usually click on things and in case town hasn't won by then me and Rayn should easily be able to finish it off or I'll hammer Rayn to win the game for town. 2->4->3->1->5 is clearly the best pattern and me/Cav should 100% be the mayor. Like it's obvious, I refuse to let anyone else be the mayor and will policy lynch anyone who goes against me as mayor. | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it. You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever). But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead. ~rayn No I don't like your reasoning. I'm not saying you're wrong on what you've said (skimmed), but the stance: On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote: so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote: geript why do you need to be a fucking dick? ~rayn I'm not trying to be. Maybe it's a language thing. You going to vote for me as mayor? | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote: But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead. ~rayn I disagree. I want to be mayor because I want Holyflare out super early on. I don't trust him to play lategame because the groups are mostly 1 good player and 2 ok players. That moves to town loss super quickly. Plus, we should be voting town for mayor because they can give a reasonable assessment of who the "powerful scum" are that they want early. Low hanging fruit scum who are not likely to affect the game are fine to keep in until later on. I don't get why you'd want to trust players who aren't as good to decide your fate. I 100% think I can nail scum in the first two groups but I'm also realistic that there's a good chance for mislynching in those first two as well. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:22 prplhz wrote: i think getmoript is acting a lot more confident in himself than he should be. can anyone tell me if he usually is like this? Yes we are. We are always like this. Confidence is not alignment indicative. What are you trying to get at here? | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: fuck that geript post is bad. ~rayn We're going to have to rumble if you don't think I'm autotown. Like at first I thought Koshi was town for being excited to post then I wasn't sure because I don't know if Koshi would be excited to post as scum. Then you +1'd the bad prplhz post. Now you don't like my post. I'm seriously reconsidering moving your group up to first if you don't explain this. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:26 prplhz wrote: that i'm not very comfortable with you so far. it seems like an act that you're so sure of yourself. That's a really dumb thing to base a read on. ~Cav | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Okay geript is scum. There is no way he is town in this game. Reasoning: You don't policy lynch in this setup. You don't even think about it because you can read the other two people in the group and decide the lynch based on reads on those people. There is no way geript brings up some fluff like policy lynches as town. Not in this game. The post prplhz quoted is full of nothing, policies after policies. The post is nothing and says nothing useful. ~rayn Can you honestly believe this as town? Like fuck. How does Koshi not townread me here rayn? ~geript | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:29 prplhz wrote: so what, where you going with that? you just like calling people dumb? No, I'm saying your read is complete bullshit because confidence is not alignment indicative. ~Cav | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:29 mderg wrote: You don´t have to be mayor to get Holyflare out early on. If your reasoning is good there might be a chance of other people sharing your opinion thus leading to him being out early on. You can´t really tell who is town at the moment, so voting town as mayor is quite difficult. Also (as I already said) I don´t think it is too immportant who the mayor is. Exchanging opinions on the cell order and letting the majority decide seems like the best option for me. Yes I can. My townreads are very good and very good early on. Hell my scumreads tend to be very good early on too. I'm a top tier town player and anyone who disagrees with that either doesn't like me or is lying. ~geript | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Okay geript is scum. There is no way he is town in this game. Reasoning: You don't policy lynch in this setup. You don't even think about it because you can read the other two people in the group and decide the lynch based on reads on those people. There is no way geript brings up some fluff like policy lynches as town. Not in this game. The post prplhz quoted is full of nothing, policies after policies. The post is nothing and says nothing useful. ~rayn It's because we want mayor. No other reason. Unless wanting to be mayor makes us scum. Which is dumb, because LSB already pointed out that we have no choice in the matter if we actually manage to get the position. ~Cav EBWOP I see you've already voted for us. Good man. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote: ##vote getmoript Here you go, you get to be the mayor. The only policy that is allowed this game is that we lycnh the fuck out of you if you don't docide the order as the town says. ##vote getmoript your post makes me laugh so much <3 ~g | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:34 raynpelikonoshi wrote: geript explain to me why you talk about policy lynching people in a game where policy lynching is not needed & is awful? ~rayn 1. Because I like to policy lynch 2. Because the only flips we get are lynched players and quite frankly, after seeing palmer scumteam w/ DP and other things I want to flip palmar because he had very good reads that should be considered later on in the game. Knowing him as town is a HUGE boon. 3. Policy lynching HF is fun | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:36 mderg wrote: You haven´t really elaborated on why you should be mayor, though. Right now you´re basically just saying that you´re awesome and should be mayor... doesn´t really convince me. I'm a super readable player as either alignment. If you can't read me, then you have a second chance to get it right in Cav. Third, it's not just a vote for mayor, it's a vote for who is town. If you're town, you should 100% want someone who will 100% explain their choices of who they want to lynch in each group AND explain why they ordered the groups the way they did. Me and Cav will decide our own order as mayor. Maybe it will be the same as towns (if we like their order), maybe not. I don't know yet as we haven't talked about hammering out the order yet. But he and I 100% will explain who we want to lynch in each group and why we chose the orders the way we did. And if you don't like how we do it, then you can hold us responsible for our order. ~g | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote: ##unvote ~rayn esplain ~g | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:46 gumshoe wrote: \ Town and scum are expected to do this regardless, someone goes dictator mode at their own peril. If someone wants to look obviously scummy as mayor when they are 33 percent scum they are doing town a favour, the order doesn't really matter seeing as the votes are still in towns hands / : There's maybe 2 other players in the game who are willing to do this (Rayn/Koshi, Palmer); the former of those two I really don't trust right now and the latter can go IDGAF mode. Plus, I'm clearly the second best player in this game AND you have an extra head who's also a solid player to read from. As town, you get TWO heads making the decision instead of one and one who tryhards all the time as town. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:27 getmoript wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: fuck that geript post is bad. ~rayn[/QUOTE] We're going to have to rumble if you don't think I'm autotown. 1) Like at first I thought Koshi was town for being excited to post 2) then I wasn't sure because I don't know if Koshi would be excited to post as scum. Then you +1'd the bad prplhz post. Now you don't like my post. I'm seriously reconsidering moving your group up to first if you don't explain this.[/QUOTE 1) You thought I was town based on my post this game. 2) You don't think I am town because some meta reason that you didn't check. (So you go back on your townread for a reason that you basically pulled straight out of your ass.) I didn't check the things you said about rayn his posts. [/QUOTE] No, it was based on the fact that you posted on your account early into the game. Like I was already logged onto this account and I think you're the type of player who really enjoys playing town. So posting early like that would be semi-alignment indicative of you rolling town this game. The problem is that I have a super hard time reading you and just trust Rayn on reading you honestly, the problem though is that I don't like rayn's posting this game and it's not like I can ask him for a read on you. So me not saying I think you're town (early when you posted) isn't a bullshit read, it's just an impression that I got but one that I dismissed because I don't think it's relaible and it'll be way easier for me to read rayn to get your alignment than it will for me to try and read you. [QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:03 getmoript wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote: so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure. dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.[/QUOTE] Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum?[/QUOTE] I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn[/QUOTE] So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die.[/QUOTE] I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it. You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever). But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead. ~rayn[/QUOTE] No I don't like your reasoning. I'm not saying you're wrong on what you've said (skimmed), but the stance: [QUOTE]On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote: so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much[/quote] Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically.[/QUOTE] Why does prplhz's "stance" mean anything? That's not what i read. Or, it's what i read but what i read between the lines is "prplhz doesn't care about who the mayor is and if prplhz talks about mayor election or who should be the mayor much in this game he is probably scum because he didn't care about it". I agree it does not matter shit who the mayor is. So can you now explain why it matters and if you can't why are you talking about this shit? You are starting to annoy me. ~rayn[/QUOTE] Specifically, this is why I think Rayn is scum. I'm clearly town here. Cav is clearly town here. Rayn not finding prplhz's stance odd and asking "Why does prplhz's stance mean anything" is a really bad question from him. He's played a number of PYPs etc and he's seen a number of very odd stances but I can't think of a single game where I've ever seen town come out and say, "Maybe this mechanic doesn't matter." It's not a stance where prplhz is flat out saying something like I did in PYPLOL, "The bans don't matter and I don't care about them. I'd rather use this time to find scum." It's not like the stance that Rayn took in that game either where, "Bans 100% matter and we should 100% ban out GF/Framer type roles." The fact that prplhz doesn't take a hard stance on either end is SUPER ODD. Rayn not helping to pressure prplhz more because of that is really questionable and Rayn 100% loves to chainsaw onto town to protect his scumbuddies. To explain more: VE has a meta read on prplhz which is "If he brings up policy d1 he is scum." All he did early on was policy about random stuff hydras etc. Plus he had that exceptionally weird "maybe the mayor doens't matter stance." I'm going to put the stamp of approval 100% as confirmed scum on prplhz. It literally doesn't make any sense. Rayn backing up prplhz stance saying, "I don't think the mayor matters either" isn't the questionable thing to me. That's a normal stance to take. It's specifcally the "MAYBE the mayor doens't matter." Adding in maybe there is ridiculously odd and Rayn not reading it that way especially when prplhz finishes the post saying that he cares about the order of the lynches WHICH IS WHAT THE MAYOR DECIDES is super weird. I have a really hard time thinking any towny could ever post that. So Rayn trying to pressure me here instead of prplhz is super suspect. On top of that, Rayn should 100% have a supertown read on me right now and should not have retracted his vote for me for mayor. Me/Cav are such obv town it's not even funny. Him not townreading me here when he 100% should is really sketchy. Plus when you read prplhz's filter like none of it makes any sense whatsoever. I have to go to work and would explain more but I'll let Cav step in and explain why you guys should clearly be voting GETMORIPT for mayor. ~g | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: How about you tell me why do you want to lynch townies to prove their reads good instead of lynching scum which results to the same, geript? ~rayn Me wanting to lynch HF is 100% not alignment indicative and you know that. We both know he can bus hard as scum and we both know his town game is decent. Me wanting to lynch him is more me wanting to lynch him. Like, obviously if I have a scumread on one of the other two, then I'm going to lynch my scumread. That's not going to make me want to policy lynch HF anyless. More than policy lynching him though, I 100% don't like him living past day 1; he's fully capable of pied pipering the town into stupidity as scum and one that I don't trust allowing him to live. As for policy lynching palmar, it's something that I think is useful but that really depends on where the game is at when he comes up for lynch. Like if we're up 2-0 and I don't have a good read on any of those 3, then I want to lynch Palmer because we get to know that his opinions are trustworthy for the last 2 lynches. If it's 1-1, then it's a good bit tougher. Obviously if it's 0-2 then you go to lynch scum. It's something I've been thinking of since he joined but knew would depend on who's in his group and what the situation would be and (of course my alignment). It's by no means a flat out, LYNCH PALMER WITH FIRE TO GET INFORMATION UNDER EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE POLICY LYNCH. It's a strategy to maximize information but clearly situation dependent on where/when his group comes up and where we're sitting int he game. ~g | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:32 Balla24 wrote: Why didn't you ask prplhz about it instead of just going ham on it right away? To me it seems pretty obvious what prplhz was saying and I think he WAS taking a stance. But even so, how does him adding the "maybe" qualifier make him scum (why does not taking a stance make him scum)? Townies are unsure all the time, even about setup talk. You're arguing 2 things here from what I can tell 1) Prplhz is scum because he's not taking a stance 2) Prplhz is scum because mayor DOES matter and I disagree with both of them. Honestly, is this just your "off" town game or are you scum here? Like I really can't see you having read prplhz's filter and think he's town here. Like you haven't bothered to explain even a soft townread on him and not in any way trusting my reads here is really suspect of you. I really can't wrap my head around it. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:36 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No you just said you want to policy lynch them. You can't policy lynch them and lynch someone else. So you agree your first post was literally full of shit? This one: + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2014 05:02 getmoript wrote: So I've skimmed so far. Cell 1 Raynpelikonoshi--Very tempted to lynch because I can't read Koshi and I don't think Rayn has called me super town yet Gumshoe--solid player with alright reads generally but pretty obvious as scum Steveling--??? Cell 2 Holyflare-scum Tehpoofter--very good player, still adjusting to forum, low volume poster mderg--????? Cell 3 Palmar--strong player Sentinel--I don't really remember him much Coagulation--Policy lynch option, both lurkers Cell 4 Balla24--meh LSB--meh Alakaslam--likely scum Cell 5 Getmoript--clearly town, great at endgame, super stronk townie prplhz--decent player, generally low volume, scummy first post Cephiro--solid playler Rayn I'm having a hard time reading Koshi... Why wouldn't he push himself for mayor on D1/0 whatever it is today? Like Cell 2 is obviously the best first lynch. HF busses as scum and has ok reads as town. I'd love to policy lynch him and under no circumstances should he ever be allowed to mid-late game. Cell 3 should be the third lynch 100%. Palmar is someone who, for lack of a better lynch, we can lynch and then sheep his reads; I'm tempted to move this up to slot 2 because Palmer tends to get worse as time goes on. Cell 4 should probably be the second lynch though because they're mostly unreadable and I want to lynch Alakaslam so that makes that pretty easy. Cell 1 is clearly next because me and rayn usually click on things and in case town hasn't won by then me and Rayn should easily be able to finish it off or I'll hammer Rayn to win the game for town. 2->4->3->1->5 is clearly the best pattern and me/Cav should 100% be the mayor. Like it's obvious, I refuse to let anyone else be the mayor and will policy lynch anyone who goes against me as mayor. ~rayn No it wasn't. Me and Cav are clearly town here. You should obviously be reading me for town here. Like you say it's full of shit and completely ignore the fact that I want to lynch Alakaslam with fire; I'm nailed him every time and he's 100% the lynch from that group. Like you don't even get why I want to lynch prplhz. I don't even get why you're trying to bury me here. I cannot see you not supporting me here as town. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:42 Palmar wrote: I like the redundant ~rayn part of your posts. I'm okay with going in on day 1 with my group. It's by far my best day anyway. Read Rayn. He's totes scum here and I want you to back me up both for mayor and for lynching rayn, prplhz and alakaslam. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:42 Balla24 wrote: Where did I call him town or scum? Also your VE meta read of him is BS because prplhz talked about setup early a bit as town in default suspicions, plus this is a new setup for everybody so obviously people are going to want to talk about that. Why didn't you answer my questions and also do you actually have knowledge of my meta or are are you just randomly saying stuff, what do you mean by my "off" town game? That was at rayn ~g | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: geript can we policy lynch you on D1 so we can all trust your insanely good reads? ~rayn Fuck no. Then we aren't lynching prplhz | ||
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On April 02 2014 08:57 Tehpoofter wrote: I don't like this first post by geript his first post of the game is to go out and accuse someone who is in his cell. I find that really scummy because of how this game is setup. Just in general I find it scummy because of how this setup looks to me. He also reaches out to rayn and from what I know of rayn he is a tunneling type player who will push push push for a read so if geript as scum can get town rayn thinking prplhz is already scum right off the bat this is ideal for him. I think he might have been trying to accomplish that. here. This is the exact thing I brought up in my first post about how I think scum would ideally play this game to give them the best chance at winning. @geript do you think my assessment of how the ideal town play to ignore the people in your cell until your lynch day is a good way to force people to read others and make connections is bad? If so can you ignore the others in your group until then? (obviously still get reads and have that ready for your lynch day but until then pretend they're not important to read) No. Ideal town play is to evaluate everyone. A strong town read vastly improves odds of hitting scum outside your pod and makes a 100% lynch in pod. Plus it lets you work together more in lynching correctly by getting honest opinions. | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:45 Palmar wrote: like I haven't really read the thread but the current suggestion seems to be putting up unreadable players early and good players late? So we just lose straight up if we mislynch the unreadable people twice and the first good player batch happens to be a good player batch with a strong mafia player? I honestly don't think the order has any impact on the game at all. But I'm fine with being first. GetCavRipt has a new mayoral slogan. We will put up group 3 first. If Palmar does not prove his towniness then we will lynch the fuck out of him for he is scum. Vote town for mayor. Getmocavript is town. Ergo vote for us. | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:45 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No it's not. I ahve already found 2 mafia. ~rayn Which 2. Koshi you can answer this if Rayn isn't around. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:18 Holyflare wrote: Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. Esplain | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it. | ||
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I have to catch up and then I'll tell you all why I think we should be mayor. ~Cav | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:13 Tehpoofter wrote: What about his scum reads don't you like? I thought you agreed with his Slam read? Do you not like his gumshoe read? If so why? If you're town telling rayn how pissed you are at him doesn't do much good attack his case if you disagree otherwise this post just looks fluffy to me. Look you know how good I can be. Just keep an open mind for when I get to the computer tonight. | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:16 Tehpoofter wrote: I like the bolded section because its how I feel about mayor. They should be someone who is knowledgeable about the players and basically just gives the info to the mod at the end of the day and I don't feel getting voted mayor is alignment indicative unless you go against town's wishes then that would be alignment indicative. I like LSB for this post and I said earlier his post showing the activity levels although that might just be because I don't know a lot of players here so it gives me a decent idea of what to expect. My only problem is that I do think those two posts I linked of slam seem town but rayn seems certain I'd really like to here input on this from some other people like geript/gum/prplz as to what they read off slam. For me though I'm reading Balla's cell as Balla most town then LSB then Slam in descending towniness. I disagree. A third of the players in this game are scum. No matter how hard you try to look at the town's input, at the end of the day, a third of the people will be lying and you might/might not have any idea who they are. The best option is to have someone that everyone can trust a decent amount and giving them the power of mayor, and then having them make the decision on their own. This does not mean that the town has no input. The town is free to say and vote for whoever they want, but eventually someone has to make the call. It would be best if everyone gave their own preferred orders because that information can and should be used against the mafia. We have an awesome tool here that we may actually be able to use if we can put the pieces together, but only if you give someone that power that actually gives a shit about what they do with it. I think that that person(s) is the Cavborg. Vote for getmoript. | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:27 Balla24 wrote: Cav, nobody really cares that much about mayor except your hydra apparently. Any thoughts on who is scum? I care about mayor as well. It's a position of power that can be put to use if we care about connecting the dots later down the line. It's a tool and it should be utilized as such. Our own cell has an inactive but prp has said stuff and I frankly don't like any of it. I think he's scummy because he keeps trying to pounce on people that are rousing poor thread sentiment rather than trying to find mafia. Rayn likes him and I think that that's derp, but Steveling has done nothing so far so I'm concerned about making accurate reads into that cell until he says stuff. Your cell is between LSB and Slam, but I'm going to trust geript's read on it and say that it's probably Slam. (Though LSB saying stuff about policy lynching the mayor is derp because the mayor is most likely going to be town and that's a free win for scum in that cell. It took me a while to realize but there you go.) I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). I'm clueless about Cell 3. ~Cav | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:45 Alakaslam wrote: WHY WHY AM I SCUM. Tonight I sleep. I am getting up at 3 now which is pushing it. I have absolutely no idea. G scumreads people for weird shit but he nailed Toad on Day 1 back in Cultured so easily that it makes me want to sheep him on it. If you want an explanation, you talk to him. ~Cav | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:50 Alakaslam wrote: OH LSB you are the other dude?!?! Crap Well so much for my reads. I townread you both. Crap. On April 02 2014 09:33 Alakaslam wrote: Hmm. Raynpelikoshi, I am willing to be day1 lynch to prove dis wrong but I would rather not. Between Balla and LSB, who is more likely to be scum and why? You two (Balla, LSB) incriminate each other yeah? I can incriminate both of you if you want but I will probably fail I am aware this is scummy The read on Slam changed after having time to reread his filter. The read on Slam used to be: Is he having fun, if yes then town. But that's really an incomplete explanation. Slam subjectively has more fun playing mafia than he does as town. The difference is that as mafia he doesn't want to be lynched. As town, I don't think he cares. As town, he allows himself to be carefree so that he can enjoy playing. As scum, he doesn't because that's what gets him lynched. The two posts I've quoted, show off that carefree attitude. In these posts he's allowing himself to post whatever the fuck he's thinking; it's just him posting. That's town for him. Ps slam I think Balla is the scum in your group | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote: Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included )  have openly attacked mderg.Geript Tehpoofter Holy Rayn Gumshoe Balla Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip. First off that was Cav. Second, I can understand this line of thinking (50% of active think he's scum in a 33% scum game), but it's bad logic. OTTOMH I forget who is in what group but it's quite possible that everyone who hasn't liked mderg is town. Like I really don't want HF playing past day 1 but right now I'm really uncomfortable lynching into pod 2 because Banks is a little town but the other two are complete question marks. | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:08 prplhz wrote: i think it would be a great idea if people mainly focused on their own cell. that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the thread if you have reads on other people but if you are unfocused it makes very good sense to look at your own cell simply because you have a 50/50 chance there. On April 02 2014 04:09 Balla24 wrote: That's silly. You still have to vote to lynch within the other cells... On April 02 2014 04:11 prplhz wrote: hmm yea. that's right. I've already brought up the odd point on prplhz's opener, but in rereading I really don't like this interaction. Unlike Banks (poofter) I don't think that focusing primarily on your cell is a scummy strategy. Like I like the point that prplhz brings up in the first post, but it feels really weird for Balla to correct him and then prplhz to instantly drop it. Like I personally 100% support people trying to get a read on the people in their cell so that they can actually make associations and sheep another semi-confirmed townie's opinion for whatever the current lynch is if they feel lost. It's really odd to me that prplhz just drops it like this | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:51 LSB wrote: So if you are so focused on lynching unreadables, why are you on a giant crusade to lynch group four first? This just doesn't make sense. I can understand slam to a certain degree if he just plays nonsense, however me and balla are pretty active and readable. Why not something like group 2 or 3 if you are looking for people that are unreadible? I think this question got dropped. LSB picks it up again a little bit in the following: On April 02 2014 04:57 LSB wrote: Prplhz is just a mess of contradictions right now. Likes the scummy balla. Wants some easily readible town group to stay in the game for a long time, agrees that group four is readible and pushes them to get put up to the block first All this is going on during the whole setup/order/etc. stuff. The specific reason I'm seconding this stuff is moreso because I really don't like how rayn has this post: On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn Like I 100% agree that we should lynch the groups with obv scum first. It's the fact that Rayn agrees with me that Prplhz's opening post is a bad post but he does it for different reasons from me. He specifically has the problem with it that prplhz doesn't want to find scum and insta lynch them. But his follow up isn't on prplhz for that at all. Town Rayn is perfectly fine pressuring two people at once and he can push both prplhz and myself at the same time EVEN WHILE WE'RE IN THE SAME POD!!! I don't like how he bounces only onto me for this line of reasoning and completely ignores prplhz. I'll talk more about this later I think but need to finish reading. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote: Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. I want to reiterate this post. Maybe I'm not explaining it well. This is a really good point I've been trying to make and hasn't gotten through someone. Town tends to come down and stand up for what they believe; they know they're town and will evaluate their plans and think about them and reevaluate etc. But when a townie presents a plan, they're confident in it. They like the plan. They want town to follow it. So prplhz taking such an unconfident odd stance on the mayor mattering one way or another really bugs me. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote: Guys, I ask that you vote me, because as you said the mayor is a figure head and I am the prettiest one available. Seriously, have you ever served as wooden the mermaid at the front of a ship? I have and I looked fantastic doing it. A vote for the prettiest mayor is a vote for justice! I really don't like this post. I don't think anyone talked about it from the first read through, but it comes at a really odd point. Rayn's interrogating me. Prplhz is calling me scum for my town meta. Sent is interested in Rayn's line. Derg is being useless. This feels like a really odd spot to come in with a complete joke post as town. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:20 mderg wrote: I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this. I really like this post. I can't really put my finger on it, but I kinda like derg for town here for this. I think this shows that he's actually thinking about how Steveling would act or think in this position. As scum I think it's far easier to respond as, "Null, not important... non-alignment indicative. etc.' It's not a strong read but I'm definitely going to look again at HF/Banks harder. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:44 gumshoe wrote: I am reading a hydra fight, so it's a bit hard to follow along, at the moment my thoughts on geript are this, he can present policy lynches, or lame mayor arguments as either alignment. Your a very logic driven player Rayn, you often believe that if something doesnt make sense it's coming from scum, but that always deserves a grain of salt especially in Geript's case. Basically I read him as town atm for driving himself into the spotlight and gladly offering opinions, because that is inherently townie behaviour. Things make sense from his perspective that dont to others, so I am also willing to buy his policy lynch stuff not coming from a place of malevolence. That is my opinion. I'm having a really hard time with this post. Gumshoe had a pretty decent read on me Cultured. This is a scary good read from gumshoe and I hate to say that I think he might be scum because of it for like the second game in a row. I'm definitely going to have to reread gum. | ||
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On April 02 2014 16:06 Tehpoofter wrote: Are you reading all this from him saying "maybe the mayor doesn't matter much"? Or did he have other posts that make you have this view? I'm eating so not really in a filter diving mood but your point is interesting if there is posts to back it up. No it's a read on how you present things as town and it's a super awkward way to start talking about a how you think about the game. A lot of it is based on experience. I want to go back and reread PYP Boardwalk to look at the plans proposed there, but I don't have time right now. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:08 Holyflare wrote: I think we lynch geript to see if he confirmed me palmar and rayn as town earlier. Shhhhh don't call it a policy lynch. Then rayn would get mad. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Like i am not going to talk anything about gumshoe in this game any more. He is confirmed mafia because this is so retarded he can't be town. I hope you people see that and are not dumb. ~rayn Isn't this the exact same line of reasoning you used on me and now youre null? on me? ~g | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I don't think you are reading properly if you think i am null on you. ~rayn This is lie. At points you've called me scum. At points you've said you're not sure. Koshi has definitely at least said he has doubts. I find it funny how you comment on how Cav/I are on different pages and yet you and Koshi at many points are on different pages. Like wtf is that? ~g | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 03 2014 02:33 getmoript wrote: [QUOTE]On April 03 2014 02:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: When i say you are on a different page i mean the fact that Cavalinho has absolutely no idea why you (geript) think what you do and he has absolutely no reads of his own. Could you paraphrase your hydra log immediately please? ~rayn[/QUOTE] No. I think that's cheating. | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:41 prplhz wrote: "think" did you pm host about it? or is it a personal rule that you don't want to break? I don't mind pulling out relevant bits of the hydra log when it's relevant to a specific discussion. But flat out summarizing a whole log is something that I think is 100% cheating because it confirms my alignment as either direction. | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:44 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I jsut want to know what you have been talking about in chronological order. ~rayn Look, that's flat out cheating regardless and I won't do it. ~g | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No it's not. You can't just copy/paste. ~rayn No rayn, It's not that simple. This is a major reason why, imo, some people are 100% against hydras. Hydras can easily prove their alignment by something like this. I don't support it in any fashion in any game. | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:50 Holyflare wrote: rayn and koshi had already done some copy/pasting earlier in the game, geript has not raged on about it at all and has taken the stance now that he won't paste it despite it already being done in this game before the only explanation is that his qt is full of scummy shit and he can't paraphrase it straight away without forging some bs play No. There's a major difference. Rayn/Koshi had a post on the back/forth of them on me at some point. It's not like any of that couldn't be faked. But flat out paraphrasing a whole log IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER to show our thought process is 100% against the spirit of the game. | ||
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Rayn at one point in cultured even noted how Gumshoe had some sick reads there. Like my biggest problem with Rayn is that his reads have been so drastically different from mine in general. The thing I really don't like about the gumshoe push is that Town Rayn generally takes a pause at some point to stop, look back and think about his direction and where he's going. Like he pauses to reevaluated his reads and what he should be pushing. I'm not seeing that here; it's just full steam ahead Rayn. That added to the fact that, in the least, he and Koshi haven't been on the same page and he's not really bothering to reconsider things more based off of what Koshi says ESPECIALLY AS RAYN CONSIDERS KOSHI A GOOD PLAYER seems especially out of character. | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:05 raynpelikonoshi wrote: geript would you lynch Cavalinho in this game if you were not hydraing with him and he had made the posts he has? ~rayn He wouldn't be my top lynch but I could see him being in my to lynch pile. | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Also you don't get to call my arguments bad without commenting on them geript. That's pretty BS and you do it over and over again. Why are my arguments bad? ~rayn That cuts both ways. Like you've continued to ignore my point on prplhz opener. Balla had a decent post on the policy lynch part of it, but I've bothered to reiterate the main point over and over and you keep on ignoring it and calling it shit logic when it's definitely not. ~g | ||
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Gumshoe lying. I don't see a real point to Gumshoe baiting or "baiting" you. I don't really think anything can come of that, but I don't think your conclusion is logical either. If he's actually baiting you with Steve and you ignore it, he loses nothing by doubling down on the bait. This isn't in any way alignment indicative. Re: part 2 I can see both sides of this. Like I don't think gumshoe thinks that it's pro-town to be unreadable, but I think you're taking the quote out of context. For me, the quote you post gives a hint of gumshoe being paranoid town. Like, of course he's going to try and read his own pod first. If he's town, why should he give any rat's ass what you read him as until he's confident that you're town. IE why should he care about what your read on him is until he's sure that he's not pocketed/getting thrown for mislynch. For me, this point leans town to me; not definitely so but definitely not scum and 100% not strong scum. Re: part 3 Gum dodging re: the Steve thing is ok. I don't find this particularly alignment indicative either way personally but I can see you calling it scummy. I don't think this is a strong argument for either alignment; this setup makes it super easy to call one guy town and one guy scum and call it a day. | ||
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On April 02 2014 15:36 getmoript wrote: I want to reiterate this post. Maybe I'm not explaining it well. This is a really good point I've been trying to make and hasn't gotten through someone. Town tends to come down and stand up for what they believe; they know they're town and will evaluate their plans and think about them and reevaluate etc. But when a townie presents a plan, they're confident in it. They like the plan. They want town to follow it. So prplhz taking such an unconfident odd stance on the mayor mattering one way or another really bugs me. Honestly, I'd rather you comment on this. I think I explain it the best here. The VE prplhz policy lynch scumread thing isn't something I'm 100% on reading prplhz as scum for; it's more an added bonus. On April 02 2014 15:26 getmoript wrote: I think this question got dropped. LSB picks it up again a little bit in the following: All this is going on during the whole setup/order/etc. stuff. The specific reason I'm seconding this stuff is moreso because I really don't like how rayn has this post: Like I 100% agree that we should lynch the groups with obv scum first. It's the fact that Rayn agrees with me that Prplhz's opening post is a bad post but he does it for different reasons from me. He specifically has the problem with it that prplhz doesn't want to find scum and insta lynch them. But his follow up isn't on prplhz for that at all. Town Rayn is perfectly fine pressuring two people at once and he can push both prplhz and myself at the same time EVEN WHILE WE'RE IN THE SAME POD!!! I don't like how he bounces only onto me for this line of reasoning and completely ignores prplhz. I'll talk more about this later I think but need to finish reading. This too, because I thought this was really odd when I reread last night. | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Like here is how it went: prplhz: "i don't think mayor matters, but the group order does" rayn: "damn i don't actually think we should talk about this yet" rayn: "yeah i agree mayor does not matter, mayor needs to do what the town says unless they wanna claim scum" prplhz: "yes, exactly" geript: "LOL PRPLHZ SCUM BECAUSE WHO IS MAYOR AND WHET MAYOR DOES IS THE SAME THING! RAYN ALSO SCUM BECAUSE PRPLHZ SCUM!" rayn:"w00t???" ~rayn Now you're just straw manning my argument here. My early argument for you being scum is moreso based on how you prefer to play scum which is specifically to protect your scumbuddies and push mislynches. Go back and reread it from my perspective; pretend you're me and I'm town. What you see is: prplhz: funky post rayn: bs +1 geript: attacks funky post rayn: +1 for completely different reasons, doesn't call/think/pressure prplhz rayn: looks at geript policy preference post, pushes geript, ignores prplhz for making a pretty analogous stance. Like it's really odd that you didn't push both of us for the same thing. You've done it before and you'll do it later on. | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote: geript you can't call prplhz mafia because Cephiro hasn't posted so you need to do something else. ~rayn I don't appreciate being baited with something as dumb and obvious as you're doing. ~g | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:43 prplhz wrote: you can't call me mafia because i'm town and all of getript's arguments are stupid. like all of getripts arguments so far have been addressed. i was just about to ask him if he thought he was using VE's meta rule on reading me correctly but then he just admitted out of the blue that he hadn't a goddamn clue and he just added it to maximize the bullshit. getmoript have you played with me before? Video a few times I think. Maybe a few other times; I don't particularly remember you other than being more lurky. | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:44 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No that's totally misrepresenting the situation. You are using fancy words to make something look like you want it to look like while it's not. Everyone can go and read the whole conversation in thread by themselves. Can you now answer my posts. Why do you refuse to answer them? ~rayn Which ones do you want me to answer? Like you keep up completely ignoring the points I'm making and spewing whatever crap you want to. I'm absolutely voting for you when you come up for lynch. ~g | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: There is actually another meaning behind this. How is it in your opinion perfectly fine gumshoe has this heuristic and it's perfectly fine he uses it to call me mafia but ignores it when it comes to you and himself? Why is it not scummy in your opinion? Like if you say i am mafia for X and someone else says i am mafia for X i can't possibly, as town, think you are scum for saying that but the other person isn't. Can i? ~rayn I don't know gumshoe used it in your situation as compared to mine; personally, I think you're either scum or tunnelling him ridiculously as town. I don't think he applies it to me because, as town, that's not how he reads me. He recognizes as town that I'm perfectly capable of being illogical/stupid at points. So, as town, he discards weak reads in favor of strong reads. Like you think that everyone is going to act 100% the same as town and that's flat out not the case. People have different heuristics they use for different people. For example if I'm all trolly and useless and post spam for all of day 1, then you and palmer are going to read me as scum; but if Slam does it, then he's likely town for it. I don't see why you can't get that. Hell, you thought I was scum for a while in Cultured IIRC on D1; most of the thread definitely did, and Gumshoe made a really weird defense of me there too. When I was rereading last night and got to gumshoe's defense of me here, I was really skeptical and had to go reread cultured to get perspective. I think he can make that townread on me as town; I think he can make it as scum too, but I definitely think he can make it as town. So when you've been pushing on both of us when you should know that he's capable of making good reads on me, that's really sketch bro. ~g | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote: part 1: why is my conclusion not logical? gumshoe could not explain his thought process, can you help him out and do that? part 2: no this is wishy washy as hell. give a direct answer. why does gumshoe flip 180 on his stance? or explain why does the situation matter? part 3: i just addressed this and you are not making any sense. ~rayn Re: part 1 let's do it like this: 6:10-- gummy trap 6:17-- rayn #DODGE 6:22-- gummy trap level 2 8:40--rayn demands explanation 8:52--gummy explanation Your argument is the gummy explanation should happen at 6:22 instead of 8:52. The thing about it is that if it is a trap, he loses nothing by doubling down on the trap. There's no detriment to trying to go further with it. I don't see it as good play, but I don't see worthwhile as any alignment to do traps. However, if you're going to waste time with traps, then there's no loss in making an easy play to confirm your trap. part 2. No it's not. I can see people reading this as scummy. I personally don't. I don't feel comfortable enough calling him supertowny for this to absolutely hate your push for this reason. I disagree with your conclusion that gumshoe is scum specifically for this. To explain better let's take a different scenario. Pretend with me for a second that Slam is town here. He knows either LSB/Balla is scum. Why should Slam care what LSB's read on Slam is? He shouldn't. There's no point because he needs to figure out if LSB is pocketing him (LSB is scum) or if LSB is giving an honest read (LSB is town). So him not giving a fuck what your read on him is leans paranoid town to me. That shows to me that he's actually concerned with reading you properly instead of being pocketed. I can be wrong here, but I don't think I am. part 3. then maybe I'm not explaining myself well. ~g | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why is prplhz scum and Cavalinho is not? You think Cavalinho is a good player. Why is he allowed to say nothing in thread but prplhz is 100% scum for what he has done? ~rayn Yah I think Cav can be good. The reason why Cav isn't scum is because I'm clearly not scum. People have consistently ignored how I've literally told them the easiest way to read me. Just look at the prome post that I quoted in cultured. Like it's super easy. So if people think Cav is scum... fine I don't care about that; but people shouldn't be calling us scum because Cav is my other half so if you can't read him then you can read me. Like ezpz | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:02 Palmar wrote: Also, 10k post coming up! Need to go figure out something fun. You should probably call me scum in it because that's always fun. | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:55 raynpelikonoshi wrote: yep ~rayn Explain your townread on prplhz. | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote: He hasn't done anything scummy, has more good posts than usually and has reasonable reads. ~rayn So outside of me which of those reads have been reasonable in your opinion? After you snap respond to this next go back and find the good posts you liked and explain why you liked them. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Summary of prplhz's reads] + On April 02 2014 04:35 prplhz wrote: no, the players in your group are the players i don't think we will benefit a lot from having around a lot. none of you are famous and reliable scum slayers and you seem kind of scummy [edit: in general but not yet in this game]. we just give it our best shot and then that's it. lynching into group rayn would be silly because rayn looks more and more and he's also a reliable scum hunter that we'll want to have around for more than 48 hours. same with groups 1,2,3,5 On April 02 2014 05:22 prplhz wrote: i think getmoript is acting a lot more confident in himself than he should be. can anyone tell me if he usually is like this? On April 02 2014 05:26 prplhz wrote: that i'm not very comfortable with you so far. it seems like an act that you're so sure of yourself. On April 02 2014 05:38 prplhz wrote: it's hard to believe that anyone can be so full of bullshit as getmoript and still be so confident in themselves without it being an act On April 02 2014 05:57 prplhz wrote: i agree it's horrendously dumb but that really doesn't mean that he's scum. On April 02 2014 06:14 prplhz wrote: okay gumshoe confirmed for not reading the thread On April 02 2014 07:32 prplhz wrote: yes but he didn't, he completely ignored me and i had to ask 3 times. strikes me as scummy that he doesn't want to make his own post readable. On April 03 2014 02:19 prplhz wrote: i thought mostly scum were on your back? and now that your main scum read suddenly lets you go as his main scum read, you go "nice, i'm afk now LOL" i swear on my life that gum is scum can we please get over this dumb shit, gum has been theatrical all game and i don't know why you would put this beyond him On April 03 2014 04:09 prplhz wrote: this sucks wtf steve probably scum On April 03 2014 05:43 prplhz wrote: i'm toying with the idea that steve is town The issues I have with Rayn can be pretty easily summed up with his responses here: 1. Rayn and I know each other pretty well as players. He always ends up with a good read on me for solid reasons both in forum and in video. He knows how to read me as town; I don't know how much he personally buys into Prome's 100% way to read me, but that logic has been what I've seen him using to read me. So when Rayn posts the following, it really should attract attention for everyone: On April 03 2014 06:05 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Reads on our cell are good. I like the evolution and while prplhz doesn't really explain it (he never does and yes, it's annoying) i can kinda see where he is coming from. I like his read on you. ~rayn On December 04 2013 20:29 Promethelax wrote: geript starts with all the tough guy posing, its interesting to note but not all that important right now. Its something to remember though as its clearly a persona gerpit is putting on. Reasons for both scum and town to do this. geript hard defends Rayn d0 and really puts his foot down about it. He takes a hard stance which I rather like. Its odd, everything I'm seeing seems to objectively point to scum but I don't find it convincing. There is something in how geript is thinking that seems silly but not scummy maybe? I can't explain it right. He is ringing all the scum bells but it feels like he is ringing them for the wrong reasons. He has all this ill founded bravado that I [i]think would be hard for him to do as scum. He is very in your face and it seems townie. If he's read prplhz's stances on me, he specifically should have warning lights going off in his head that I'm probably town. Specifically here: On April 02 2014 05:22 prplhz wrote: i think getmoript is acting a lot more confident in himself than he should be. can anyone tell me if he usually is like this? On April 02 2014 05:26 prplhz wrote: that i'm not very comfortable with you so far. it seems like an act that you're so sure of yourself. On April 02 2014 05:38 prplhz wrote: it's hard to believe that anyone can be so full of bullshit as getmoript and still be so confident in themselves without it being an act Rayn is clearly not bothering to actually evaluate his reads in this game. This IS NOT his town play. In this setup, he as town would want to avoid mislynches at all costs and Rayn liking prplhz's read on me here would 100% give him cause to concern. 2. On April 03 2014 06:05 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Reads on our cell are good. I like the evolution and while prplhz doesn't really explain it (he never does and yes, it's annoying) i can kinda see where he is coming from. I like his read on you. ~rayn Rayn stating that he likes prplhz's evolution is complete scum bullshit. Other than the balla read (which was later corrected to be a non-read), there really isn't a true evolution of reads. Rayn knows that the scum often lurk and allow others to "fill in their thoughts" so him giving prplhz a 100% town pass for prplhz's posts is complete bull. As town, Rayn could and would follow up with what prplhz meant at those points. Furthermore, Rayn states that he likes prplhz's read within (Rayn's) pod. Which ones? Why? First he's on Scumshoe; next he's on Scumeling; next he's on Stowneling maybe. The bottom line here is that prplhz really hasn't had scumreads this game; he's been following the thread sentiment a decent amount and Rayn is 100% giving this guy a complete pass. Rayn doing this as town is pretty unthinkable to me. Rayn stating that he actually likes prplhz's mostly non-existent and definitely unexplained reads is even more mindnumbing. On April 03 2014 05:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote: He hasn't done anything scummy, has more good posts than usually and has reasonable reads. ~rayn Where are these non-existent reads? Seriously read prplhz's filter and tell me he has a bunch of reasonable reads that he's making. They're really not there. Raynpelikonoshi is specifically lying about this!!!!!! Rayn has clearly not read prplhz's filter prior to me asking him about him. He's clearly spewing stuff of the top of his head here and all of it is 100% fabricated. | ||
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On April 03 2014 06:38 Balla24 wrote: I really don't understand what you are getting at here, you seem to think i'm scum and that this post is the one that you didn't like, but what you write here focuses mainly on prplhz and an interaction I had with him instead of on what I said. Can you elaborate on why my "correction" there is scummy in your eyes? No when I was rereading last night I've been coming around to some extent on you being town. The "weird thing" to me isn't you correcting prplhz, it's the fact that he has this idea that he seems to like and instantly drops it when it gets "shit on." That looks really really odd to me; it goes along with how townies tend to present ideas and have a 'stick-to-it-tiviness' about believing in them. There's no evolution of how to make his idea better; there's no rebuff of, "This is specifically for if people are lost and not a focus only on your pod" type of post. It's really weird to see an idea, especially one that has merit like that, just instantly dropped. | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I mean, you can't really think someone is going to buy that "rayn should call me town therefore he is scum" shit? You can't possibly think someone is going to think i am mafia because of it, especially when that's your 1 of 2 reasons and the other reason is "this other dude in my cell should not look townier than me" which is basically the same thing. ~rayn TOWN i WANT TO BE EXCEPTIONALLY CLEAR HERE Point 1 is not: Rayn isn't calling me town, therefore he is scum. Rayn specifically stated that he and I quote, "like his (prplhz's) read on you (geript)." The point is specifically that Rayn in anyway at any point reading prplhz should have and would have (if rayn were town which he is not) points that prplhz has brought up that are heavily indicative of my town meta. Point 2 is not: prplhz should not look townier than me. Point 2 is based on the fact that Rayn is clearly not looking at specific players for specific reasons which he usually does. He's specifically reading the game differently than he does as town and therefore Rayn is scum. | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote: And speaking of reads geript. You have one scumread (me) and one townread (gumshoe). Both of the reads are based on bad reasoning. Apparently you have a scumread on prplhz (noone knows why). Do you really think it's fair for you to call prplhz out for not having any reads? Because to be honest you don't have many reads and the few you have are based on bad reasoning. ~rayn TOWN i WANT TO BE EXCEPTIONALLY CLEAR HERE Yes, I personally think prplhz is scum. There's a lot of odd stuff in his filter. I can still be wrong here. My case on rayn is not in any way to try and incriminate or throw shit at prplhz. My case on Ryan is on Rayn. I don't think prplhz here is town but honestly I can't be sure because Ceph is an MIA jerk as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:11 Balla24 wrote: Sorry, still a little confused if you could help me out here. What exactly does that have to do with me in that case, since the reason you brought it up was because you thought I was scum? No the reason I brought it up is because I think prplhz is scum. I thought you were scum earlier because of post at the bottom of the page ~14 that I saw while working that I didn't really like. When rereading, it didn't seem as bad and nothing you had written to page 20 or so had stood out to me and nothing you've written since then (when I picked up where I left off) really bothered me. | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Same town!geript who was so sure of Holyflare being mafia that he got so mad he got himself modkilled? Are you serious, same guy doesn't give a fuck about 100% mafia defending another mafia. See my problem with geript people? ~rayn Why do you think I thought you were scum in the first place? Why do you think I made my first case on you AND prplhz being scum together and listing you as defending him and included that as part of you scum meta. Like seriously, why'd you have to roll scum this game instead of towning it up with me? | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: But yea, whatever. I'll go watch a movie and wait for the other game to start. I don't like asking same question five times.. It makes me mad. ~rayn Maybe if you ever stopped to read what people have written you wouldn't keep asking. | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: But yea, whatever. I'll go watch a movie and wait for the other game to start. I don't like asking same question five times.. It makes me mad. ~rayn Oh and think about what people wrote too you know because that's important too. But you know, that's for the next game when you roll town and I roll scum. | ||
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On April 03 2014 08:12 prplhz wrote: @getript i'm really slow and all so please bear with me if i'm asking dumb questions. you read me scum, but you read rayn scummier because he doesn't agree with you on your read on me? Yes I read you as scum. Not wholly sold on it but that is what it is. No I do not read Rayn as being scummier than you because he doesn't agree with me on my read on you. I read Rayn as scum for different reasons. That specifically was my point in asking Rayn about you. The conversation went like this: Geript: Oh so scummy scummy, please enlighten us with your townread on the scummy prplhz Rayn: Oh scumript... why you so scummy. Prplhz hasn't done anything scummy yet, he's totes got lots of good posts and I like his reads Geript: Dear Scummaster, please enighten us dumb town on what those good reads prplhz had the great supertowny posts he has made. Rayn: Prplhz is totes town for his reads on my group (Rayn/Gum/Steve); I really like his evolution of reads in this group specifically. Plus his reads on Scumript are totes towny. Geript: Post case on the everywhere where prplhz has called anyone scummy AND questions prplhz has made regarding Townript meta. See all these points that prplhz has made; Prome called me towny for these points. Rayn is quite aware of this meta and has used this meta to read townript from scumript in the past both on forum and in video. ScumMaster is clearlly bullshitting here because TownRayn would've looked at the points prplhz has made and been far less sure about it being Scumript vs Townript. Geript: Point 2: TownRayn wouldn't also not have slept of prplhz because he hasn't, despite what Scumrayn wants to point out, been clearly town. Oooh I'll make a picture case of it when I get back from work to make it 100% clear. | ||
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On April 03 2014 09:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I'll go through everything with Koshi tomorrow. I think we have a lot of shit on the table already as we are only 24h into the game. geript i try to explain my read on prplhz for the last time and if you are town you gotta stop this shit and start paying attention. Until tomorrow i'm off. ~rayn Oh Rayn, master of shit logic. Please come back and bless us with your brown sun again. May the yellow rain never fall again on this town and bless us with your steaming pile of wisdom. | ||
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I don't think slips really happen in forum. Like there are literally million 'scum slips' that have been pointed out and I'd be surprised if a quarter of them even came from scum. I don't really get where you are going with point 1. He has reads he's not sharing them. I really don't care. If he wants to continues to do so then I'll lynch the fuck out of him AND I think Rayns the scum in that group. Iirc I kinda liked his earlier posting when I was doing my read through but eh. | ||
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On April 03 2014 11:41 Balla24 wrote: Don't you think it would have made more sense to him to take a strong stance that says "obviously there are scum in here" instead of "I believe there mayyyybe might be scum in here". Like, in Steveling's position, if he's town it should be pretty obvious that mderg is either being bussed or is town. It should be more of an epiphany like, YES gumshoe this is totally correct because see, there has to be scum in this list since I am town and the other 2 of my cellmates are in here! You don't have to see it as a slip, i'm just curious if that makes sense to you or if it doesn't, if not why? Maybe I'm just bitter but as certain players have gotten better, the overall level of stupidity has increased. Maybe he's not thinking, maybe he hasn't read the OP, maybe he's dumb, maybe he's scum. Like I honestly don't know why he doesn't auto-assume that there's scum in the list. I'm not a mind reader. I'm not psychic. I can't explain fully why he's say something like that but fuck it #yolo bad town. There you go. | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: LSB how are you "most likely to solve the game" when you have given zero reads in this game? ~rayn The better question is: LSB how are you likely to solve this game considering how many scum you 'caught' in PYP? | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I literally can't ignore him because these towns nowadays are retards and might even lynch me for not commenting on retarded shit. Trust me i know what i am talking about! ~rayn Yah but lynching scum is always PROFIT!!!!! | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:29 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Yeah that's why we lynch you. <3 ~rayn Yah I have a great track record of people trying to lynch me and me finding scum. Good thing I already found you. | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:52 Tehpoofter wrote: @gript I didn't bring up your case on rayn cause I was talking mainly in that post about cell 1 as a whole. Not outside influence as much. So there was one part of your case that I didn't like because it seems to me that rayn could easily exploit it as mafia and why he wouldn't do it is beyond me since you clearly are adamant about it.... basically the part where you say "rayn should know I'm town the fact he doesn't makes him mafia" where as rayn as mafia would know your town and could just call you town and placate you. I don't see the advantage scum rayn has unless hes partner's with exactly prphlz (who I think is mafia btw) and wants to leave it open for you to be mafia in the case that your inactive dude comes up and seems super town and hes already called you town and doesn't want to paint himself into a corner) I'll reread it when I get home geript about to get off work here and have to clean up around here and also need to read the other games I'm in.... I'm super salty I read 20 pages of arguing and came to the same conclusion I should have just skipped the whole damn thing. This setup is 100% predicated on scum obtaining Mislynches. There's huge impetus for scum Rayn not to townread me because it limits his mislynch options. Besides the point isn't in any way based on Rayn not town reading me. Like read what I wrote people. This is specifically based on Rayn's response re: prplhz. Prplhz filter specifically has points which IN THE LEAST point to townript; town Rayn would at least consider this in his read. He would not be 100% scumript and not 100% agree with his prplhz read on me because prplhz specifically points out things that indicate townript. | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:51 LSB wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2014 12:25 getmoript wrote: The better question is: LSB how are you likely to solve this game considering how many scum you 'caught' in PYP? Do you shit up tl forums because you find it fun to be a troll? Or are you just a disgusting human being? Please leave That's a pretty odd response LSB. To give an analogy: LSB: coach put me in and let me take the last shot to hammer the win for us Coachript: idk son, last game you weren't even able to shoot 50% from the free throw line, why should I trust you with the rock? LSB: fuck you and your little dog too coach. | ||
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On April 03 2014 13:49 Tehpoofter wrote: @geript rereading your thing on rayn I think your case is from a townie POV I just don't agree with it. I read rayn for other reasons mainly his case on gum and his general town rayn gung ho attitude. @geript I think we should do your group first and get prplhz did you read my case on him? I think he is scum. First off Rayn is gung-ho regardless of alignment. I remember reading it and not thinking much of it... Re: scum slip about mderg and Steve iirc. But I honestly have been working the past 5-6 hours or so and need to go back so I can reread critically so I can actually see what's been posted and think about it. | ||
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rayn, Balla, prp. Rayn is making up meta to push on us and that's really ridiculous. Also, there's simply no way we can let him be mayor because he's mafia. Like, his tone regarding the number of times that I post is really, really bad because it's almost the complete opposite from Cultured. (Also he is unaware of the fact that there is a hydra here and we are being diplomatic. Wtf rayn I mean really now) Cephiro said some things that I'm not comfortable with, but there's no way he would defend both rayn and prp is he was actually mafia. I don't think that makes any sense and I'm sticking to prp as the scumread here. (Though he needs to talk more like super bad.) Balla sounds exactly like suki did during Cultured which makes me nervous because I nearly got lynched for that shit before. Balla is mafia. Probably trying to make me run in circles giving off reads and shit in order to keep me preoccupied making big posts instead of solving the game. Will read into the other cells soon. ~Cav | ||
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On April 03 2014 14:31 getmoript wrote: I also think it's hysterical that like all of my scumreads are on that mayor. Is OMGUS a thing? ~Cav No Rayn, before you ask I am not policy lynching my other head for this. Tough titties. | ||
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On April 03 2014 09:10 prplhz wrote: 1) well i did ask geript to read my filter from my last games (and they're not very big, don't worry) and see where rayn is coming from. not all of my games, my filter from my last game (world championship) might be the best one. just to get an idea about me. i'm not just asking him to sheep rayn. also, no i don't have to look scummy to him because ceph isn't around. i can also look towny to him. right? or i can look null. how i look has absolutely nothing to do with how ceph looks. gript just has to pick one at some point but he can easily read us both as scummy and be completely in doubt and frustrated with his group, or he can read us both as town and be equally in doubt and frustrated. right? 2) nope. i agree with you right here. Meta'ing you is on my to do list, there are just other things that are far higher on said to do list right now. I know you think that I've been avoiding you for most of the game. It's not intentional; I've been a bit preoccupied with other things and I can't respond to everything while at work. If you're town, I'll get the right read on you. If you're scum, I'll get the right read on you. Just busy. <3 | ||
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On April 03 2014 15:54 getmoript wrote: This should be a fun one... Tehpoofter | ||
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On April 03 2014 16:02 Tehpoofter wrote: @ geript Did you hit everyone geript? and if so are you actually getting a read from this? @Slam what about you? is this giving you a read at all? Why vote LSB over geript or rayn or HF? I already have a read on slam, but I want to clarify it to make sure I'm right and I didn't go back on a good scumread. Basically, Rayn got his Slam scumread for me and I want to prove that I'm better at reading Slam than he is and give explicable reasons as to why I'm right and people should listen to me. | ||
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2. Cephiro-- green snake 3. Balla24--red zebra green stripes 4. Holyflare--fish or yeti 5. Sentinel--jersey bull with wings 6. Tehpoofter--green or brown anole 7. Coagulation (Hydra with Kushm4sta)--two buzzards 8. LSB--grey owl with black and red eyes 9. Getmoript (Geript/Cavalinho hydra)--yellow snake with brown stripes with white snake on its back 10. Alakaslam--black turkey vulture with a previously red head that is now green, kaaa 11. prplhz--loch ness monster 12. mderg--bigfoot/nautilus 13. Steveling--black cuckoo bird 14. Palmar--pink horse 15. Raynpelikonoshi (Raynpelikoneet/Koshi hydra)--black tazmanian devil with a grey wombat Ok so here's the associations I see: prplhz mderg Holyflare These are all creatures that you don't see Cephiro getmoript Alakaslam All snakes LSB Alakaslam Steveling Raynpelikonoshi Sentinel They all have a black coloration Tehpoofter Sentinel getmoript All have brown coloration Raynpelikonoshi Gumshoe Both have grey coloration Steveling Coagulation Alakaslam All birds Cephiro Alakaslam Balla All have green coloration Balla Alakaslam LSB All have red coloration So what I want you do to is explain to me why you chose these creatures for the people people you chose them for this game and what their similarities and differences mean to you. | ||
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On April 03 2014 16:12 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm not going to lie if you quoted any of these posts and said "this is why slam is x" I would think you were crazy. I mean its a funny interaction but I don't get anything out of it but nulllll for both of you. It takes crazy to understand crazy. And I mean that in the most loving way I can Slam. I do thoroughly enjoy playing with you slam. | ||
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On April 03 2014 16:22 Alakaslam wrote: I have done some of it I kusplained me And Coag to great length Rayn & gumshoe self explanatory: scream loud & at each other lol U & Calvin are dangerously poisonous & strike lightning fast LSB is wise but I was fooled by his initial appearance Uh So Rayn... Still think he's scum? | ||
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On April 03 2014 23:26 Balla24 wrote: lol what is this? Both you and geript have called me scum, but then reasoned it with shit that has nothing to do with me. Geript with that prplhz post Cavalinho with stuff about a different person in a different game. Cav like... this makes no sense, and even if it made sense, you would have needed to back it up, (for example: quoting shit that shows suki doing the same thing as I am) Two things: 1) I can't multquote on Kindle because honestly fuck that. 2) Already talked it over with G because I'm getting focused on the wrong stuff again. I'm filter diving your cell and posting something more logical the second I can get my hands on a computer. Also Rayn why are you so content ignoring meta in trying to push me? ~Cav | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:18 Steveling wrote: As I'm thinking I'm in the same exact same spot that gum swore and you 180'd I get even more mad. Here's a hint. It's Palmar's option 3. | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:28 Palmar wrote: I hate you rayn Then vote for me. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote: Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side? We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure. Did I scum slip that hugely in that game? Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad. Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake? Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. Generally a spade is a spade. I'm personally retracting my yolo read on you. Want to explain why pants on head is town pants on head instead of scum pants on head? | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:19 Palmar wrote: Yeah this is equally dumb as the swearing thing. I'm very tempted to vote you for mayor just for saying this. Oh Great Palmar. Please explain to dumb little me why you think it's scumshoe here. I really don't get it. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Raynpelikonoshi dafuq rayn. ??Koshi why you think rayn is crazy for this? | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No I am putting group 3 first. Who is second now? Group 1 | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: It's not crazy. He just shouldn't let holyflare pick the order when we can do it just fine. So can you give an brief summation on why rayn think's I'm scum and your take on it? | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I can't tbh, funny, but I don't really know it. Somewhere I think it is because you are not yelling that Alakaslam is mafia and that you were defending gumshoe. I think you are scum because prplhz is reading the thread, thinking and posting good things. I don't understand why you don't see this and why you keep holding on to that opening post from prplhz which was just setup talk. I have issues with people that start a game in a certain mindset and then magically it keeps going that way. I also don't like how you read us as scum, tbh I don't like how not 1 person in this game is trying to read me but they are all reading rayn, I guess it isn't applicable in your case because you state that you can't read me but w.e. When I am town it is always obvious, maybe the hydra makes it less but meh. Which brings me to my third point and hopefully you answered my question, Cav totally disappeared from this game and is just sheeping your reads, which makes your hydra entirely scummy because I don't like your reads. TBH Cav has apparently been playing epic mafia some and less focused on the thread here. I think he's sheeping my reads because he knows I'm town and knows I can be good; I'd love to see more from him personally and have tried off and on to get him to do more. Honestly, I'm not even sure I'm meeting my goal so Cav being mia doesn't really bug me so much. Honestly, I'd love to have Marv explain how he reads your or Rayn or pretty much anyone really. As for read not chaning on prplhz, it probably won't; when I sit down with his filter and compare it to previous meta it might or if Ceph fails to post or posts bad stuff then maybe it might. I just really don't see a reason to change it when nobody's actually addressed the reasons why I think he's scum. Like Rayn always seems to completely miss the point that I'm trying to make and complete misconstrue anything I type so I'm pretty much in a lack of fucks given moment right now. Plus with no lynch I really have no ambition to change that. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:48 prplhz wrote: hey cephiro nice vote why are you voting yourself for mayor? better question... Cephiro why haven't you finished your catchup yet. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:51 prplhz wrote: hey getript you remember that time when you told me that you'd reconsider me but you didn't have time because you were doing important stuff and then you proceeded to talk to slam about colors and animals for 4 pages? Still on my to do list... sue me | ||
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On April 04 2014 05:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote: The problem I have with cav is that he doesn't say that. He gives his reads and doesn't say he sheeps you. He just posted 3 names and gives some reasoning. Cav on us: first line = omgus second line = we can't be mayor but that has nothing to do with his read. that's a conclusion to his read. third line= I can't comment on that, I wasn't in cultured. forth line = rayn is unaware of the hydra, the hydra is diplomatic. (??? What is this) Cav on prplhz: ??? Cav on Cephiro: Why wouldn't Cephiro defend rayn when he is mafia? mafia don't defend each other or ? I don't understand this read from Cav here. Is it something like Cephiro looks bad but prplhz worse??? Cav on Balla: This guy did X when mafia, Balla does X, so Balla is mafia. But I am not going to tell you guys what X is. Balla is doing things so I make big posts and I can't solve the game. (WHAAAT? which big posts? Solving the game? Where???) My big issue with Rayn is twofold: 1) He is trying to use our change in demeanor as a way of proving we are mafia. This is false as G and I have attempted to become less dickish in a bid to get mayor. (Which is not working  ) 2) Rayn has been around for all 3 of my games here on TL. He knows I was lynched twice on day 1 for incredibly faulty reasons and knows that I'm not great at explaining my reads so much. He also knows that I tend to disappear when the thread gets overwhelmed with information since I'm used to a much slower pace. His opinions on my movements in the thread are literal polar opposites from what they were in Cultured (even though my actions are so similar) and I highly suggest you read them to see the difference. (If you don't want to, that's fine. I'm going to be able to use a computer later tonight and I'll clarify everything for you and anyone else that is concerned. I still intend to filter dive as well.) | ||
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On April 04 2014 06:16 Steveling wrote: Are you going to getmoript? xD Sentinel is dodging or afk, can't wait for long, 10more mins when the vid I'm watching finishes. Am I going to what? ~g | ||
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On April 04 2014 07:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote: so any smart sounding opinion on Sentinel? Yes. He's put forth more effort than Coag. | ||
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"hi -Coag" Nothing short of UoN claiming scum and posting his role pm will change me wanting to lynch Kush/Coag if Coag doesn't actually try. | ||
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On April 04 2014 07:48 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Like can you just play the game and deduct Coag is scum from Sentinel and Palmar their filter instead of going for a policy lynch? pretty pls? Sleep time for me. Like I'm not sure I can read Palmer but he seems ok from memory despite the fact that I've rolled town so he's super likely not to have. I get you want me to "play the game" but I have been. Like there's very little reason for me to waste time on this game when you and Rayn have "caught" me as scum. Especially when the things you have "caught" me for are things I do as town. He'll you didn't even comment on how odd it was that LSB took you "obvious town" argument seriously. | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote: It's lame that because rayn thinks you are scum you refuse to give opinions on sentinel and Palmar and just policy lynch Coag Also, why change your playstyle because your top scumread does something? And I got Cav more as scum than you. Did you see the post he made about his top 3 scumreads prplhz, Balla and us? That was pretty mehhhh. The reasoning was worth nothing. Nobody was impressed by that post. And Rayn's response to strawman my case on him, 100% misrepresent it and flat out lie about it was better? Nobody reading that case and saying pretty much nothing about it (sorry banks need to comment on you thing still)... That case was really good. How about explaining your guys reasoning for putting off the 100% Scum Slam lynch until what fourth or the 100% scum gertmoript lynch until second? Like you guys have professed the whole game to want to lynch scum back to back to back and don't have your 100% lynches first. I really don't give a fuck what you or Rayn say... You're both scum. What I care about is the fact that no one's listening whatsoever and the fact that Rayn as scum has been a jerk to me all game. I don't try to be a jerk to anyone, except maybe DP but he's an exception, I would never intentionally try to be a jerk to him. This game has become exceptionally unfun to me so I'm really not seeing a point in investing heavily into it but I'm also not going to be a douche to Artanis or Cav by replacing out. | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote: We are scum. sigh Koshi didn't want to play scum so... I'm having such a hard time reconciling this with everything else. | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:43 Coagulation wrote: yall worse than lil girls when it comes to drama and butt hurt Coag you promised not to bring up my Drag days ever again... You said I looked good in pink with a stache. | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: holyflare haha ^^ it wa s fun, also plammer I'm really really dumbfounded by all of this right now. | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:58 Tehpoofter wrote: So.... 1) Wtf with drunk rayn that was.... something and now puts us in a shit spot with them going third. We need to get both these ones right (at least 1) or that day is going to be really really weird. Geript were you right about rayn? 2) Sorry I didn't vote I thoguht I voted before bed but I'm bad and missed it I will vote today... starting that off now... ## Vote: Coagulation Palmer has seemed town to me with his posting regarding cell 3 shit fest yesterday, Sentinal Is a bit lesser of a town read I have liked most of his posts except the one where he was talking to me where he was making some points that didn't make a whole lot of sense. I'd like to have a dialog with you sent if you're around. Also to those who know Coag does he typically give up like this if hes town? 1). Honestly right now, I don't know 2). Maybe? Like I think Rayn just flat out posted 3 in his scum team. Probably means Ceph/Not Slam for the other two. | ||
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My guess is Coag if he doesn't at least help us with his pod. I'm really just not understanding what Rayn's doing with any of those posts. | ||
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On April 04 2014 09:19 Palmar wrote: You can't read anything into rayn's posting so don't try. He flat out claimed scum and and said Koshi didn't want to play scum. That's hard to not read into. It's especially hard to not read into the fact that he's only happy with you/HF and mostly mad at gumshoe but also mad at me. That shits weird even for drunk Rayn. So do you think Rayn is town or scum here? | ||
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On April 04 2014 09:33 Palmar wrote: Like I don't even know what you're wifoming yourself into. Read the posts, make a decision. When I get home, I'm going to leave my best thoughts on UoN, prplhz and Ceph. If you don't like them and think I'm scummy, then tell everyone to lynch me with fire. I don't know where Cavs at but you should be able to read me just fine. Right now my gut instinct is that scum has been mostly silent in the background and town's been eating each other. Seriously though, no backsies. If the posts on UoN etc are sheep worthy and super town then I deserve to be lynched for having a shit game. | ||
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Alright, I've only played 3 games here. I might as well just get that out of the way since my early reads were, to put it lightly, kind of shit. However, the coincidence here is that rayn was around and spectating or taking part in every single one of those games. He knows exactly what kind of play I am capable of, namely that it's well-written but poorly thought out because, as stated, I'm new and kinda derp. This evidence, on its own, really isn't that convincing. However, what could be interesting is that during my two NMM games (one of which he was my coach for) I was lynched day 1. He knows that I can be a liability. He knows I'm not great at defending myself. Ergo, pushing me would be good for scum, especially since I rolled town. Now, the issue here is that these two pieces of evidence really aren't that great by themselves. The thing that really ties everything together is how he addressed my general shittiness in this game and in Cultured. In Cultured, he rolled town. I didn't really talk much day 1 then either, and he made this post: If you are new it does not mean you are worse than annyone else in this game. You will be listened as much as anyone else and your opinion is as valuable as anyone else's. The worst thing you can do (AS TOWN) is to fear that you will get mislynched because other people are more experienced than you are and you fuck up or something. Being wrong is not scummy, not willing to patricipate however is. Please guys, give your opinions and participate more. Now in this game: So why does purplehaze who is your "YOLOSWAG 100% SCUM" look more scummy than Cavalinho who has said absolutely nothing? And why is Cavalinho scared? Newbie mafia = usually scared. town!Cavalinho is not scared to voice his opinion. ~rayn There is a huge difference in regarding my day 1 play in these two posts. Town!rayn is almost always concerned with getting more information into the thread at any cost. Scum!rayn obviously does not give a shit. There is actually a blatant lie in there that involves how I'm supposedly scared to voice my opinion (which I did earlier this game, even though it was bad). He is looking for the best player to push in our cell, and apparently that's me because G went and gave me control of this game for the most part. Rayn was mafia. That's my 100% shit analysis, you can take it or leave it. ~Cav (also patricipate lol) | ||
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Extratctor Trick Resistence 3 [red]LXII I actually wish I had 2-3 more games at at least 1 more scum game to compare it to. The first major thing I noticed that's different from the town games Sen'ts posts have been is that in both of those games a large amount of his filter is short posts, mostly 1-2 line posts with very few if any big posts. Conversely, as scum he has these very large almost summary posts. From a purely perusal standpoint without actually reading much into it, I just want to lynch Sent. Specifically, as town Sent seems to flow with the thread more if that makes any sense; ie. he interacts with it as it's going on. Where as as scum, he tries to lump everything together into one coherent point that people won't really talk about. When I was reading Sent's big post on Gumshoe, that really got to bothering me. + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2014 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: First off, gumshoe because his filter came up first: Steve dived him here which I'd like to somewhat expound on. The conversation he brings up: While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though. Gum's rage here returns to the same vein as where he ignored rayn previously: he discredits rayn's case because he's not sure of it, and goes after the meta instead. While this one post in a vacuum rings scum - he's dismissing evidence that goes against him instead of countering it, waving it aside as rayn twisting words, and tries to justify his obscuring of information that could help town at this point - it's very consistent with his mentality earlier. I can see this as another evidence of bad town play, with gumshoe missing the point of hunting scum but instead getting extremely defensive about rayn's comments, and "figuring out the game" on his own. This post is actually one of the more logical ones gum's made up to this point, although I feel like you could make the counter-argument that Steve is simply playing neutral and doing both the positives and the negatives of gum's play. A huge shitstorm ensues over rayn's case. Point 2 is very scummy looking especially as gum claims he only wants to appear readable to town and not scum. The lack of nightkills makes this point look very hard to justify... he really can't be silenced by a scummy mayor, since majority would be against sending group 1 to the chopping block first, and we'd have a scum who painted a big red target on his face. Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight. Overall I'm thinking town on gum simply because a scum, even a bad one, would have no incentive to become the most targetable figure in Cell 1, and that it's a lot less convoluted to try to justify his beliefs as careless town compared to scum. I'll take a look at rayn once I return from work tonight. @LSB I played with you two years ago and you made me your bitch. That wasn't very fun. Specifically in how differently the points were laid out and how illogical they are. While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though The first thing that really bothers me about this part of this post is how it doesn't go anywhere at all. He's 100% leaving his options open for calling Gumshoe both town and scum. Even more so, I hate how he comes up with his townread on gumshoe, "welp gumshoe as scum clearly wouldn't try to attact this much attention from town rayn. Instead he'd just try and push Rayn over the side or have Rayn bury Steve." But this is like exactly what gumshoe was doing, Gumshoe came up with a case on rayn; when said case went south, he screamed "Pants on Fire, I'm not scum because Steveling exists." This specifically bothers me because this looks like Sent just wants to create any reason to call Gumshoe town and move on. (Forgive me if I'm wrong on the timing of when Sent posted this but I'm not up to double checking that) Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight. Another thing that specifically bothered me here is that he's writing off Gumshoe as town for his consistency. People's reads never changing, moving or evolving tends to be seen as a scum trait not a bad town tell. Koshi specifically brought it up as a reason for suspecting me/cav. Here he's again leaving his options open for calling Gumshoe scum for his consistency while managing to call him town. Palmer. You don't have to read his other filters, but seriously look at them. It's almost obvious how differently Sent posts as scum and as town. I hate to say that I agree with Coag here but I actually think Coag's right on this one. ##unvote ##vote [UoN]Sentinel It's 5 am here and I'm really sleepy, I'll get back to working on prplhz. | ||
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On April 04 2014 17:35 Palmar wrote: red: based on what? You haven't even mentioned sentinel except for once when you called him resoundingly null. Since then he became super town? blue: That's an associative read, not to mention you've given yourself the parameters that make me mafia before actually going and looking at what I've said. It's funny that you bring up this point. Banks knows how much I hate associative tells and things. I really hate going off into iffen land, but the whole time I was reading Sent's big post on Gumshoe I couldn't help but feel like it was scum defending scum. Mainly because when scum defends town, they generally put their foot down on it and make a hard stance. But his big post on Gumshoe was very careful to leave him room to later call him scum. Then he jumped all over Steve at the first opportunity. Even without having reread gumshoe yet, if Sent flips scum I'm really tempted to lynch gumshoe on that. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:32 Palmar wrote: It's not pro-town play, it's shit play by rayn, but the point is that it maks no sense to do as mafia, hence rayn was town. It makes no sense to do as any alignment. But hey, the simplest answer is that townies get themselves modkilled and scum don't. Palmar let's look at steve for a second to just PoE it because Gumshoe can be pants on head as town. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote: Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi. You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing. My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid. Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys? Promote discussion pls. This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: On April 02 2014 20:51 Steveling wrote: First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town. Now about the people that bus'd him Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me. Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever. Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that. Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that. I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote: Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking? About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] + On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him: Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum: Here is the full conversation regarding this: Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!! There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to: Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means: I made a post about this already. It's here: Look at the post.
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation! Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + : I'll just make a list of these:
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote: I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish. But this is, well how should I put it, questionable? Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is. At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument. As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself. Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad. And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2 | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:48 gumshoe wrote: Yes, if you want to lynch scum and not someone whose just bad. People get into the trap of thinking bad is scum, I have seen so many derpy townies on tl its no wonder I assume scum is always competent / : as they should be because they have perfect info. Ignore ScumRayn and TownRayn. Read Steve's filter and come to a conclusion. | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:08 Palmar wrote: By everything you mean everything except call me mafia for anything I have posted myself. Hell, you haven't even considered the possibility that if rayn is mafia he might simply have been calling me town because he knows I tend to lynch people that call me scum. But that would obviously not fit your agenda, so let's just disregard it! Can you plz just vote Sent? | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:08 Palmar wrote: By everything you mean everything except call me mafia for anything I have posted myself. Hell, you haven't even considered the possibility that if rayn is mafia he might simply have been calling me town because he knows I tend to lynch people that call me scum. But that would obviously not fit your agenda, so let's just disregard it! How bout this. You say you're totes convinced by my case. Vote Sent. Then if town loses you can blame everything on me having a total shit read and you needing to play Catastrophe. | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:19 Holyflare wrote: What the fuck is this. YOU GUYS JUST MADE A CASE SAYING STEVE WAS SCUM!! G did that, not me. I'm focusing on the fact that Coag is town right now, because I want to focus on today's lynches. ~Cav | ||
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On April 05 2014 17:39 Palmar wrote: Not even sure what to do. Yes, sent might be getting a really easy win here, but what can I do? If kush/coag are scum I'm not going to convince myself not to vote them unless there is an actual reason to do so. Like there is no justification not to lynch them. I like my reason for lynching him, but eh. | ||
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On March 26 2014 22:03 Cephiro wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pYb4nky.jpg) This is allowed, rite? Palmer I'm taking this as a scum claim. Clearly this is a 'Murican McDonalds fed baby seal. Rests case. | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Not just a defense, I have some thoughts I'd like to share as well. When did Steve become modconfirmed? This implies that it's not scummy since scum have to provide reads no matter what? And you're wrong, I can get mislynched and piss everyone off, that's an option too. Smurf, Roulette, almost Hashtag... I probably won't do that though. I'm trying to be a little more towny for once and actually participating. You're telling me I'd want to sheep someone who has a 50% chance of being scum? I wouldn't do that at the beginning of Day 1 where I have literally nothing to go on. If I'm scum, I'll at least wait until one of my cellmates becomes more competent than the other, in this case Palmar over Coag, and then sheep him later. Palmar asked this question too later on. Now while I concede that I didn't look at my cell too carefully, you were scummier than me in this regard - you had two people to choose from, and read them both as town. I don't think you're scum because you can't make up your mind, but rather you read one as slightly town, read the other as complete town, and then didn't ask yourself any questions about why your reads are like that. I had one guy who I had to judge objectively because I had nobody to compare him with. Now that Coag is here I am going to compare them, but first I have to catch up. Do you want me to defend a point where the evidence is clearly against me? I thought rayn was slightly town before this and I think rayn is slightly town after this. I post my thoughts and the best I can make of them. I don't make rash judgments, at least at the start; I consider both a town perspective and scum perspective, and then I decide which I like better. Town Steve doesn't make much sense at this point in the game: Here is your read on rayn: Then the whole "swear on my life" thing happens, you rage a little, and return with a case attacking rayn in every single possible regard. Here is my problem with this: Frustrated people do stupid things. That would even explain the tunneling - but why rayn of all people? Gum is the one who created the shitstorm. Gum's comment is directly responsible for what happened and also kept the discussion relatively stupid. Surely there wasn't some point where you stepped back and considered the situation where gum was the scum and rayn was town? Or is it simply because gum backed you up? I'm saying scum gum would have no reason to not sheep rayn or at least he wouldn't be so explicit about his actions And if you think that it wasn't legit sentinel you are basically calling me a retard for doing something so silly, because it would be silly to fake it no matter my alignment. I'm saying everything about the oath was a joke, i.e. stupid and shouldn't be considered seriously. I don't take a stance on it because it's retarded. I'm not calling you a retard, although I question the nerves of everyone involved. You said that people saw you as town, or if not town, neutral. I criticized this claim. That is all I set out to do and that is all I did. Not Coag, the dude in my cell? I could have joined the gum train. Pressure vote. Really it's my word against yours on this one (and I know gum got called out for his baiting) but you can take the amount of time it took me to vote for mayor (whose election I do consider semi-important) as evidence that no, I'm not just going after Coag the first chance I get. I'm actually thinking about this case. A lot of your points are legitimate here, which at least means you're trying. You remind me a lot of me, actually. The only real difference I can see is that you swing to one side or the other on nearly all matters while I remain mostly neutral. I don't know if I like that or not. Palmar did you read this post ? This is awful. Like The post wavers back and forth on who Steve being scum and Steve being town. For me this is a really odd post because he doesn't pick any side. Like in his filter he's super happy to load up on calling Gum Scum at various points but here he also is trying to paint Steve both towny and scummy. Like pod 1 is really simple: Rayn-got himself mod killed, 99.99999999999% town just for that but I have a hard time seeing him rage over the gumshoe swear thing as scum when there's an easy mislynch in Steve Gumshoe--conf town based on dick move analysis (gum wouldn't swear when/how he did as scum) Steve--odd man out So when Sent continues to try and hammer on Gum when he keeps on soft calling Steve town and scum makes no sense for Sent as town. Plus the meta argument on post size, plus how he's been wishy-washy all game. Etc etc etc. like I get wanting to kill Coag and I 100% support Vig shooting him but we need to lynch scum. Like you know let me translate it into a language you may better understand as you're obviously readjusting back to TL from the all stars game: Much Wolfy -villagery points -villagery points Looks like Arcbell/Merks Also I had a larger post my phone at switching between tabs but to all the Town, I thoroughly apologize for being a donkey this game. In rereading, I went from prplhz I swear Gum is scum post to realizing why Rayn was mad about it to realizing I'm a tool this game because Rayn flat out posted what I had 'figured out' back to UoN. Like I've helped fuck up this game but I'm going to help unfuck it too. Fwiw I think HF is the scum in group 2, mostly based on feels and his god-awful 'Steve mod confirmed town' argument but I need to reread Banks/defy in full and com pair. I'm having a hard time getting over my initial scum read on prplhz but after reading him with new eyes like there's things I like and hate. 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On April 05 2014 20:59 Palmar wrote: I'll read it later geript, I don't have time now. I hope most of us can be around tonight. Do you find it at least a little ironic and funny that previously I was all "Rayn is scum" and everyone was all "Getmoript is moron or scum" and now lots of people have flipped and now I'm calling Rayn town and some of the people calling me scum think a Rayn is/was scum. Maybe I'm just tired and need sleep but I find it a little funny. | ||
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On April 05 2014 21:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: getmoript why would town gum be trying to get extremely friendly with multiple people, including those who are seeking his lynch? Why would friendliness or assholeness have anything to do with alignment? If he's town, there's huge incentive to not fuck up and get himself lynched. If he's scum there's huge incentive to not fuck up and get himself lynched. I don't think that some normal scum tells, like self preservation apply in this game. Like we don't have the option to just flat out lynch like normal and there's huge pressure to not get lynched as every alignment because everyone knows their ass is going to be gone through with a fine toothed comb at some point. Hell I'd suggest a bribe of nude pics if I thought it might sway a vote onto someone I thought was scum (no pics would be sent in either case). Plus I really think gumshoes game has been pretty similar to cultured. I think he like me has has a pretty bad game up to this point. Additionally, I think dick move analysis gives us gumshoe's alignment. Plus, in what I've read of gumshoe, I think he's tried to solve the game in his own way. Plus, for having a filter that's as longer than mine, Steve has been forgettable. I remember and have thought about a few various prplhz posts despite him being not as prolific. The only things that instantly pop in my head are his weird posts after the "I Swear" incident that, correct me if I'm wrong, you thought were odd for how emotional he got after Rayn cleared Gum and how he has no realistic stance on Rayn or Gum. That type of action is far more telling to me than buddying/pocketing/emotional appeals/etc. | ||
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Hey, I think I asked you this before but after reading prplhz filter and remembering your commenton prplhz's filtering post, which I actually get now, if you could make a few notes as to why you think prplhz is town otherwise that'd be swell. Like right now I'm thinking that Sent/Ceph/Steve ends the game in a town victory, but I still have a hard time getting past the really weird way prplhz opened (yes hypocritical in hindsight considering how apparently awful my second-ish post was). | ||
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On April 05 2014 01:33 Palmar wrote: Like I think cephiro is mafia by elimination. I haven't really read his text walls attentively, but prplhz is a pretty strong townread, I've pointed out at least one of the posts that make me think he has to be town. Geript is a much harder case, but for the most part he doesn't look like scumript. I always call him out as mafia on day 1 when he is mafia, and I actually thought rayn's tunnel on him was wrong, I pointed out some flaws in rayn's case here: If it makes you feel any better about yourself (or how bad I've been this game), it took me reading your filter and remembering this post to realize why you're town. | ||
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On April 05 2014 22:38 Steveling wrote: Getmoript confirmed not reading the thread. Ok let's pretend this is true. Does this make me scum? | ||
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2. What's your basis for this claim(re: gum scum claiming)? 3. Why shouldn't I sheep Town Hero Rayn in his read that I scum claimed on day 1? | ||
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On April 05 2014 22:50 getmoript wrote: 1. Why is that interesting to you? 2. What's your basis for this claim(re: gum scum claiming)? 3. Why shouldn't I sheep Town Hero Rayn in his read that I scum claimed on day 1? | ||
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On April 05 2014 23:41 Steveling wrote: I will explain it in one liners like I do towards my toddler nephew. You made an argument, the "lots of people" thing. I don't recall it being true thus asking you to prove it. To which you answer with Getript, why are you so defensive, that's the 2nd time you assume I'm scumclaiming you. What's wrong? You've still not answered my questions but here's why I responded how I did. Your question is going nowhere and has no chance of going anywhere. We have a lynch coming up and you're not even bothering to look at, read or analyze the players in question. On top of that, you're asking dumb questions which waste my time. If I'm wrong about it I'm wrong and it doesn't matter. If I'm right about it, I'm right about it and it doesn't matter. It's literally an offhand observation made at idk 8am running on 20 hours straight. I find it especially odd that, if you're town, you aren't focusing on anything important whatsoever right now. Especially when you've been doing that all game long so far. | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:01 mderg wrote: Finished filtering cell 5. Was really exhausting and somehow took over 2 hours. I will post my exact thoughts later today when I get home. right now: getmoript - strong townread prplhz - slight townread Cephiro - slight scumread Can you explain how you ended up at these conclusions plz? | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:06 gumshoe wrote: Btw Geript rayn was heavily intoxicated when he did what he did, and he quit catastrophe as well in the same manner, so it doesn't have anything to do neccecairely with alignment, he did what he did because he had no inhibition. For the most part it's hard to take anything away from his post, but there is one thing not a soul has mentioned, one undeniable fact. Anyone guess what it was? I'll explain why you're wrong when I get home. | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:08 Steveling wrote: How convenient, so I take it you will inform us of which of your points matter and which don't I guess. Right. If you would like to expand upon why it's important to you, feel free to do so. | ||
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1. You swore town. 2. Rayn knows you're not the type of player who would lie about this. 3. Rayn feels like he can neither ignore your "swear" nor not take it at face value 4. Rayn feels like this gives him knowledge he is not privy to this information and should not have to, be forced to OR what not change his read on you 5. Rayn cannot also equally ignore this information in the pursuit of winning 6. Rayn is required to call Steve scum because you cannot possibly be and is forced to participate in your act of cheating. A scum, Rayn would be pissed, but it wouldn't be as big a deal because he still has a great mislynch lined up. But as town, it actually bothers him more because it affects the game when it shouldn't. It's actually pretty simple and I'm suprised I've been so stupid to not see it up until now. That's why rayn is town, you know plus because scum don't get modkilled for raging, etc. etc. etc. | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:15 gumshoe wrote: He thinks I'm wring about rayn ) : but I'm not, because you have no scum motive to push me like this, our lynch is unpredictable it could go either way, why throw yourself into that spot if your cellie wants to a no lynch? I don't think your THAT arrogant Steve, therefore rayn has to be scum. GET OUT OF MY HEAD GUMSHOE!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On April 06 2014 01:20 gumshoe wrote: Actually I'm doing brain surgery on him, hes not taking it well / : Quarter done the big one. Well stop with your big one... I don't want to get the plunger to unstop the toilet again. Seriously, Gum. You have me as town. I'm making a 100% townread on Rayn no backsies. Like, it didn't click until I started putting the pieces together last night when I was trying to sleep ( I should've slept instead of staying up), but this is exactly why Rayn was mad. He even has like a big post on it. Him and I have talked about this before, I've just been to tunneled and stupid. Like, I'm going to be dead on that day, there will be 8 players. You will NEED TO VOTE FOR STEVE!!!!! | ||
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On April 06 2014 05:27 gumshoe wrote: Yay : D so what's your sent case? If rayn is scum, he was clearly worried about this group, but I don't see how sent could get lynched over coag, / : so what be your basis? I has Sent case. I think I has 2 of them | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:18 gumshoe wrote: Again, this is coag, I would not stick my neck out for him under and circumstance as scum. Rayn wanted this lynch as far away from him as possible which also hints that coag is scum, sent has no reason to hesitate on this lynch, he gets to choose between you and coag o-o I dare say that is the easiest choice anyone is going to make this game so he's not overtly scummy for not hesitating. This is a bad call ) : No it's not. I don't actually hate Coag's reads and he's actually given decent reasons for them. Sent has been doing nothing the whole time other than push you as scum while soft pushing Steve as 50% scum 50% town. Like this isn't hard. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Yes. But all I can give is my word on that one, right? I'm frustrated because after all this time I'm about to die one way or another and I'm back at square one. I can have my own thoughts but I don't have anything concrete to pin anyone on after all this time. I'm predicting this scumteam: gumshoe, Holyflare, Coag, getmoript, Cephiro HF + Coag I'm sure about. gum I'm still convinced although I can't think of a concrete way to counter getmoript's argument. Ceph i'm mildly sure because his play reminds me of Noir. Lurking except when he really needed to get something in. getmoript is a coinflip, I have no fucking clue about cell 4. But I don't like him so I'm biased for once. I love this scum team. Totes winning. | ||
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Still, I don't think that Coag is mafia. Not by virtue of anything he has done this game (because he hasn't actually done anything, aside from his hydra a little bit maybe) but because if the lynch was correct I don't think everyone would just sit down for almost a day and go "yeah fuck it" and then not post anything again until deadline. The silence felt telling. Currently working on my own cell now, will be back in a bit to post findings. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:57 Steveling wrote: Coag, you are saying that your reads haven't changed at all during these last few hours? Can we treat your reads after your cell is gone as permanent? No, they're going to vanish into the ether and be lost to time and space. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 08:54 Holyflare wrote: Only scrubs didn't follow my shit. My shit was better not that it really matters. I want to lynch Banks in your pod right now | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:16 gumshoe wrote: Umm, does that sound weird to anyone else? Now I'm just wondering, if Palmar was scum, why did Rayn want his group last... Also Holy, if you agree with me, you know whose scum in this group right? Look gumshoe. Plz stop being bad. Like that's just Palmer being Palmer. Palmer was town. Sent was scum. The split between the vote proves it. Ceph coming in just to vote on the wrong wagon only adds to that fact. Like STAAAAAAHHHHHPPPPP | ||
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I'm actually kind of lost. Why exactly does everyone think Palmar was scum? Because a lot of the shit I wanted to say about the other two is in regards to people being weird about the first lynch. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:29 gumshoe wrote: The vote was tied, and didnt go to sent by 1 vote I believe... in spite of the fact that sents vote was on himself... If sent is scum he is balls out insane. No I refuse to believe that any town is stupid enough to vote for themselves. Like I really can't imagine that ever happening. My reasons for calling Sent scum were good. Palmer was willing to sheep me which makes me happy and him probably town. Palmer giving me such a confident but questioning townread makes him town. Like there is literally no reason to believe anyone but Sent was scum. | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:29 gumshoe wrote: The vote was tied, and didnt go to sent by 1 vote I believe... in spite of the fact that sents vote was on himself... If sent is scum he is balls out insane. Even if that vote was tied Coag still would have been lynched, no? I stand by the fact that I've always thought that self voting is either WIFOM or claiming scum. Besides, would self voting make you more town by virtue of you not getting lynched? That's such an easy way to break anyone's connections with anything. Prp and Ceph both have incredibly scummy voting patterns from this lynch, and not taking them into consideration simply because Sent voted himself is a little silly. I don't understand you TL guys and your odd meta. Holyflare bussed his entire team in Cultured (and won because he broke meta) and you still think this stuff applies? ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:42 Steveling wrote: Why did sentinel provide reads if he was gonna get lynched? Why did he come back only at the last hour so suspiciously to defend himself only to vote himself if he's scum? Why didn't he tried to ninja swap his vote after my vote with only a 1 vote difference, it still was 00:00, at least I didn't know that votes counts until 23:59. Why would he ever vote himself if he's town???????????? | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:40 Holyflare wrote: Stop being stupid. Palmar sheeped his scum read (me) on to sentinel to look towny but failed. The more you try and reason a town palmar the more likely mafia you are geript. So we should stop trying to reason things out and looking for scummy connections? Good to know. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:45 gumshoe wrote: No im reasoning with you here : D lets arrive at the truth together k? I'm trying to. Also, I'm going to post my thoughts on the other two in my cell. Cephiro really needs to talk more before we finalize our lynch, and his vote on Coag is complete bullshit because he didn't mention Coag at any point during his giant wall-of-text posts. I don't think he even acknowledged that Coag was in the game up until that point. We know nothing about him because he's hardly even playing. Prp was jumping around and being mega wishy-washy about Sentinel's lynch. These three posts: dunno maybe sent is scum ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY meh ##Vote Coagulation Are evidence of clear flimsy vote switching. Prp is scummy, but we know next to nothing about Cephiro other than his early game posts, and he pretty much coasted up until this point. Personally, I think there's plenty of information that makes the Cavborg look townie and prp look scummy. The only issue is that Ceph hasn't said shit other than those giant wall-of-text posts and a vote on Coag with no reasoning behind it. (Seriously the dude doesn't even admit that he's sheeping someone wtf?) With information like that in the thread, it's a little odd that people just go "Palmar was scum because Sentinel selfvoted meta meta meta." Sentinel's lynch was clearly a big deal to a certain someone, but we're all overlooking it because we think Palmar was scum. Honestly, what other reason would prp have to flip flop like that before the lynch? It's not the best evidence, but it seems solid enough to start asking more questions. Prp, why were you flip flopping around Sentinel's lynch? You seemed like you were dead-set on voting Sentinel off, and then you kinda flipped back to Coag for no particular reason. Elaborate more pls. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote: And everyone else had super tight reads? It was a desperate final struggle, where he worked against himself XD. Also, if he was scum, he was saved by 1 vote(also his vote was on him...)... you think rayn was town right? So 4 scum were already on the coag wagon? Or left him out to dry on that close a lynch? Cmon geript, its easier to believe one dude was incompetent town rather than a whole scum team was playing things that loose. Most likely possibility is that the scum had total freedom this lynch, because it was a vote between 2 townies / : which is why so many scummy people (mdern, prplz(OH SNAP)) were apathetic : D. This is assuming mdern is actually scum. Also, prp was anything but apathetic during that lynch. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:01 Steveling wrote: getript did you even read that How do you explain his play as scum? wifom | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:01 Steveling wrote: getript did you even read that How do you explain his play as scum? I read it. The issue is that you're assuming that Palmar was scum based on a single piece of information. A votelist does not make Palmar scum by itself. Here's an alternative interpretation: what if Palmar was actually obvious town that nobody voted for and that the entire scumteam piled on to Coag and lurked because of an easy lynch? Did you even notice what happened when Coag had like 9 votes on him? Almost everybody stopped playing at once. Even if Palmar was scum, Coag was still far and away an easier lynch than Sentinel. Nobody put up a fight until the lynch started to flip and I think that the difficulty of the lynch is actually particularly telling. I think it was pretty clear that Coag was innocent (even if my reasoning at the time wasn't particularly great) but his votelist might actually be a super useful piece of information. There's a pretty big chance that a large portion of this game's scumteam was on Coag's wagon due to it being such a safe vote in the first place. Don't throw that kind of information away just because you assume Palmar was scum. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:12 gumshoe wrote: He typed meh before his vote back onto coag, after switching from Sentinel who he pretty much only voted because he was sheeping plam 0_0 how is this not the definition of apathetic Geript? The issue isn't that he said "meh," it's that he was dead set on lynching Sentinel and then just kind of went "fuck it back to Coag" without any reasoning behind it. Read those three quotes again. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:13 Steveling wrote: Wait a minute there, I'm not sure I remember correctly but didn't coag start the sentinel wagon? Then HF jumped on it quickly and then Palmar and then the rest of the herd followed. Are you making stuff up? G was the one making a case on Sentinel. Unless you actually want to believe that everyone took Coag's word at face value and just kinda had the entire game flip for no particular reason. The Cavborg has been trying to get people off of Coag almost the entire time. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:18 gumshoe wrote: So why switch onto sent in the first place? Does that read as scum on scum to you? It makes no sense from his scum view if either Coag or Sent are scum, but it makes absolutely perfect sense if it doesnt matter who gets lynched. Sentinel is having fun here / : he really doesn't give a shit and his fickleness says as much. This is actually good reasoning, I didn't see it that way. Ultimately, this gives us even more reason to sit down and start interrogating prp for his motives behind his voteswitching. I like it. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:18 Steveling wrote: What, are you kidding me? Man it's so obvious you are not reading the thread I want to punch my screen. Me and gumshoe both asked HF why he changed vote without providing a reason. He obviously took coag's word at face value. Then Palmar said " fuck it lets vote sentinel ", so literally he took HF's word on face value. I'm going to reread and make sure this is what happened, we'll talk more at a different time. As for right now, I'm about to go off and do something else for a while. So before I address prp and his wall-of-text, I'd like to ask him one more simple question: Which one of us in this cell is scum, and why? | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:54 prplhz wrote: What question? Bottom of page 128. Who is the mafia in our cell and why? ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:58 prplhz wrote: Oh Well my answer is that I don't really know. I was leaning you but after this flip it's become apparent that I need to reconsider my reads. Okay, and what information did you obtain to back that up with? ~Cav | ||
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We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now. (Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset. )~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 11:17 gumshoe wrote: If we lynch a townie in our cell it counts as a loss, we are no lynching. I also really hope rayn doesn't get banned ) : I'm a bit responsible for all that went down as well me feels T-T Oh really? Nevermind, you guys should no-lynch then. I've already posted my short case on rayn earlier and I still think it holds water due to the way he changed his play and whatnot. Not like I'll have much of a say at that point, but you know. ~Cav | ||
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On April 06 2014 11:20 getmoript wrote: Oh really? Nevermind, you guys should no-lynch then. I've already posted my short case on rayn earlier and I still think it holds water due to the way he changed his play and whatnot. Not like I'll have much of a say at that point, but you know. ~Cav Uh no. Rayn was town. No lynching means we lose a point if Rayn was town. nononononononononononononononono | ||
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On April 07 2014 05:16 gumshoe wrote: Geript please answer my question honestly. You know your capable of making mistakes some times ) : if you honestly cant wrap your head around what I'm saying, than I am pleading with you, just this once, sheep me? Why does Prplz suddenly think I'm town btw? When did that change? He went from this. to this. with no reasoning in between... and he still thinks rayn is town? So was Rayn was wrong about me to? Open your eyes Geript this dude is just making shit up as he goes. Look gumshoe. I feel like I've had a shitty day 1. But I've been willing to step back reread and look at why I think what I think. Your reasons for calling Palmer scum and Rayn scum are completely illogical and bad. Palmer only focusing on days 1-3 makes sense from both alignments; additionally pods 4 and 2 are the hardest to read far and away. They're all pretty low volume on top of that. On top of that, Sent's last sets of post practically claimed scum. Like Rayn wasn't scum; it's basic and obvious. I've already explained it. I'm willing to listen to actual non-associative arguments for prplhz being scum while I meta him and reread him. But these bad illogical arguments will get you no where with me. | ||
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On April 07 2014 07:32 gumshoe wrote: Geript if I actually adress this post will you listen? Cause I can shut it down pretty easily im just not sure its worth the effort. If you can make an actual, logical argument as to why prplhz is scum, why palmer was scum or why Rayn is scum I'll listen. As for the order thing, I don't think that makes much of any sense from any alignment. I think Koshi made the order; I don't think Rayn was happy with Koshi's order. I don't think Koshi/Rayn have been seeing eye to eye the whole game. I don't think the order is alignment indicative. I don't think that putting Palmer's group first is bad by any means; it forces Palmer to participate and quite honestly, it gives us Palmer's best reads. | ||
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On April 07 2014 08:20 gumshoe wrote: Geript, your problem is your playing this like a regular mafia game, where anything can happen. In this setup scum HAVE to associate and want to win as fast as possible. They're greatest strength is their power to converge on things, with 5 scum voices to towns divided ten they can accomplish quite a bit. Which is why association reads are much stronger, you all ignore them at your own peril / : I have no specific problems with using associative tells this game. My problem is that when associative tells are your only good reasons for people being scum; you're almost always wrong (in the general you sense not the specific you sense). To expand on my reason for why Palmer was town, you actually bring up one of the posts why I townread Palmer. geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town. Here's the thing about this. This is an exceptionally towny way to townread someone. He's taking a solid stance on me, but he's not sure. There's an uncertainty to the read; he's not comfortable with giving a 100% townread but he's also equally not pushing me. I made a read on Banks in Video saying basically the same thing and he townread me for it. I've seen this type of thing before and this is an exceptionally towny post. Gumshoe: That said, I bilieve Palmer was scum because for sent to be scum, the red team would have to be utterly incompetent. Sent voted for himself... the vote was tied and one away from going onto sent... Your problem Geript is that you rather assume 5 people are idiots, rather than that you were wrong ) : honestly scum just didnt give a shit about that lynch because palmar wasn't under fire. Which is why several people were utterly apathetic. People are stupid in general. That's not an assumption that's a fact. Sent voting for himself is really really odd for him to be town; he even commented on it. His last posts were the most fucking awful things I've ever seen. He changed his reads like 3 times within an hour after scumreading 2 people in the same pod where he pushed on me more than he did on Ceph. Like NONE OF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE FROM A TOWN MENTALITY. Ceph's vote was super super weird; I also commented on prplhz's vote in the QT. Like both are scummy to me. But honestly, it's really simple. Sent's filter was terrible; his posts looked and look exactly like his scum posting and not like his town posting. He was just soft pushing random shit the whole game. Coag actually had some VERY GOOD minor points in his filter and that's why I wanted to and tried to push Sent over Coag. That's why palmer sheeped my read. I had a very good read and you completely ignored it. You're still completely ignoring catching scum via standard means because standard means still work in this game. Like Ceph hasn't done shit whatsoever. Prplhz actually has tried to solve the game at point. He's also had some very good posts and points as of late. There's also huge associative evidence between Steve and Sent. Like if you don't like Palmer for wanting to kill both Sent and Coag, then you're completely forgetting IT'S FUCKING PALMER AND HE WANTS TO KILL EVERYONE NOT HIM!!!! HE DIDN'T LIKE SENT AND THERE'S OK REASONS FOR IT. HE DIDN'T LIKE COAG BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART HE DIDN'T PUT GOOD SHIT INTO THE GAME. LIKE RAAAAWWWWWRRRRR. | ||
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On April 07 2014 10:29 gumshoe wrote: People are stupid in general. That's not an assumption that's a fact. This is your issue Geript ) : you assume the worst of your fellows and you consider yourself inflatable. As a result you will always unrestimate your opponents, and because you have such a low opinion of others you will never be able to convince them even when your right. I have nothing else to say to you.[/QUOTE] So I'm incapable of flatus? | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:43 mderg wrote: Cephiro actually doing anything this game would make this much easier... Basically. I actually really want to vote off prp right now, because we all only seem to be comfortable voting off inactive targets. Speaking of which, inactive targets make this gametype about a bajillion times harder than it needs to be. ~Cav | ||
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On April 08 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote: Tbf, with all that being said and the theories and what not if ceph does not appear and contribute he's the best lynch for today. But then again that's what coag was as well. The problem is that this isn't a normal game. If he doesn't contribute, that doesn't make prp any townier. We do have to sit down and examine why he would just leave us and do nothing ever because he's going to disappear from the game either way. We can't play this game by normal rules. ~Cav | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:58 Cavalinho wrote: My only real issue right now is that we're banking every last piece of information we have on people that can't defend themselves. I'm probably going to think this over and see if I really want to change my vote or not. Btw, is there a votecount anywhere? ~Cav Uhh, oops. Lol. ~Cav | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:13 gumshoe wrote: Please vote prp ) : we catch holy red handed too if hes scum. The last vote is what counts, so please ignore what Geript tells you, the dude is legit wrong all the time. No you are honestly legit drowning in the deep end or scum. | ||
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On April 06 2014 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote count: Coagulation (7): [UoN]Sentinel (6): Palmar (0): Not voting (1): Balla24 Coagulation is set to be lynched. Here's the reason why you should listen to me over gumshoe. Gumshoe 100% was on the wrong wagon. He was also 100% on the wagon with his now scum read. Like I actually think gum is town and just shitting the bed here, but so long as you don't lynch Rayn I don't care who you lynch. There are actual good reasons for Steve to be scum, both associative and actual. Gum's just doing; well idk wtf he's doing but it's anti town whatever it is. My preferred lynches: Sent Ceph Steve Idk LSB I have soft townreads on everyone in 2. My guess is HF but honestly it's a complete mystery to me. I think Slam is town; it's not based on what he's said but rather how he's thought about the game. That said if Slam ends up voting for prplhz here or not Steveling tomorrow then I'd lynch the fuck out of him. | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:35 LoneMeow wrote: Vote count: prplhz (3): Alakaslam, gumshoe, Cephiro (4): getmoript, prplhz, mderg, Holyflare Not voting (4): LSB, Cephiro, Tehpoofter, Balla24 Currently Cephiro is set to be lynched. The deadline is Monday, Apr 07 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). There's 7 people voting. I'm town and at least 1 of mderg/HF is town. Plus, you're vote is on the same side of the argument of Steveling who's been pushing you as scum, then finally ends up agreeing with you that Rayn is scum. Like wtf? My side actually has more confirmed town than yours does. On top of that, there's 4 people not voting. Slam is like confirmed red here for not following my vote. He finds his top townread and then sheeps them as town. He's not doing that plus his posts have revereted to him not allowing himself to have fun so he's fucking scum. As for Mderg/HF/Poof, that's a really hard one to guess PEOPLE REMEMBER THIS. I HAD FORGOT THAT SLAM HAD VOTED FOR PRPLHZ. FUCKING LYNCH SLAM ON DAY 5. HE'S NOT PLAYING HIS TOWN GAME. RAYN I'M SO SORRY FOR GOING BACK ON MY SCUMREAD OF HIM. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:39 gumshoe wrote: How can you even consider Geript is mafia? He is hard defending Prplz... what does he care? Geript can you not see how scummy this guy is? I've been calling Steve scum for a while until you when full derp mode and shit the bed. FYI, you're voting with said scummy guy. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:37 gumshoe wrote: We were all on the wrong wagon... you believe they're are 4 scum, why are They're only max 2 scum votes on Prplz? Can you asnwer this without assuming 4 people are idiots? You claim you play according to reason, so consider this well. Nope, Sent was scum. I was on the right wagon 100%. There are 4 people not voting I can assume most of those 4 are scum. I can assume the ones that aren't scum are shitting the bed worse than you. Like I can't honestly understand why you think anyone would believe your associative "evidence;" I've told you exactly why I think Rayn was town. He was modkilled, he got mad at you swearing town, Steve's been super scummy, Steve had a super weird reaction to Rayn's flip to your I swear, Sent conf scum and pushed Gum while softing town and scum on Steve. ETC. ETC. ETC. Like I don't need to assume bad/dumb/whatever. I can also assume asshole, needs to be modkilled, shouldn't play 3 games at a time and then keep on pushing off reading/posting, etc. etc. etc. Like it's frustrating, but the # of votes on someone here isn't any reason to think someone is town or scum when you actually think about it. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:46 gumshoe wrote: Thereby outing me and slam, that would be oh so nice of him. This game goes on after today for town Holy, only scum are guranteed to lose if prplz dies. Honestly, I think you're trying too hard right now. Seriously, please stop because you're wrong. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:53 gumshoe wrote: Answer the question Geript, say you think Ceph is scum, why is he not voting, who is the 4th scum, why are they not voting? Why are scum not voting for scum.... hmmmmm. Well Let's look at the potential scum: Balla--inactive hasn't posted in a while. LSB--pretty inactive Ceph--Hasn't voted since he ninja voted Coag for no reason given Tehpoofter--Went poof Like please use your head and start to think. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:55 Holyflare wrote: hence why this game is ftfy | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:58 gumshoe wrote: lsb is in slams group, he cant be scum with slam. Same to Balla, we can rule those two out. That leaves tehpoofter... whats his motive for no voting? Jack all, his absence is null, scum would benefit immensley having him here. Yah. Scum generally benefits from scum being active. But inactive scum are inactive. You can't do shit about making them active. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:20 gumshoe wrote: Post is a bit messed up but the argument stands, palmers read on Geript was fantastic, yet palmar found prplz far townier for shoddy reasons, you wanna know why palmar town read you Geript? Because your just that big a threat / : he had no choice. No. Palmer wouldn't townread me for that. He doesn't see me as a threat. | ||
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TOWN. LYNCH STEVE--REASONS IN FILTER. I THINK GUM IS PLAYING BADLY BUT IS TOWN. RAYN 100% TOWN THOUGH LYNCH IDK--I'VE BEEN FLIPFLOPPING HERE ALOT ON WHO I THINK IS WHAT. HONESTLY I STILL DON'T KNOW. I LIKE HF'S VOTES SO FAR, BUT HE COULD STILL BE SCUM. I'M GOING TO GUESS TO LYNCH MDERG DESPITE MY SOFT TOWNREAD OF HIM EARLIER. HONESTLY IDK, BUT MDERG SEEMS SAFE LYNCH SLAM--NOT HIS TOWN PLAY 100% HARD TO EXPLAIN BUT HE'S NOT SHEEPING HIS STRONGEST TOWNREAD (ME) | ||
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On April 06 2014 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote count: Coagulation (7): [UoN]Sentinel (6): Palmar (0): Not voting (1): Balla24 Coagulation is set to be lynched. Also. Don't forget the vote counts and vote analysis. I'm pretty sure there were at least 3 scum on Coag and that Sent was scum. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:55 Cephiro wrote: Obviously. I wouldn't argue for this otherwise. -_- Why do you think I'm scum? | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:49 Cephiro wrote: We really need to lynch geript, everyone. He's not even trying right now since he's under no pressure from anyone but me. Get some votes on him and force him to talk. It needs to happen. If he actually cared about this lynch and was so sure about me being scum, why isn't he here trying to get me lynched this very moment? We do care about this lynch. We're just trying to decide which one of you we want to lynch. G wants you dead, btw. ~Cav | ||
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##vote prplhz i'll trust cav on this one. | ||
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I'm gonna feel so stupid if prplz isn't scum. ~Cav | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:27 getmoript wrote: So steve and mderg claimed scum. Scum love to push/vote for me for bad reasons /out Add HF to the list. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:31 Holyflare wrote: I'm not voting you lol I was kidding. Why aren't you voting cephiro if he's voting you then? Because I'm the one pushing prp, G wants Cephiro. ~Cav | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:34 gumshoe wrote: Umm why would prplz do that as scum? His job isnt to get town lynched, just to make sure he doesnt die... Cephiro attacking is not the optimal move to save himself. So him attacking me makes Ceph town but if he were to sheep your read or LSB's case that would make him scum? Wtf dude? | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:45 gumshoe wrote: Umm can you not agree with him? Hes gone from me bieng scum, to town, to scum again cause "rayn told him so", to town and finally I'm scum. lol Dude you're a totally shitting the bed if you're town. Like you're making arguments based on, "well it's clearly not in scum's best interest to do X so therefore he isn't scum." Not only is that a godawful argument, you've continued to push this complete BS like it's manna from heaven. Plus, you've continued not to listen to me on why it's nothing more than bullshit instead of manna from heaven. There's a reason why none of your arguments have swayed me in any way. It's because they're godawful. You actually seem to think Rayn is/was scum. You actually seem to think Palmer was scum. Both were obviously town. I shit the bed on the Rayn read but I did so on reasonable reasons (he should know I'm town and he's not recognizing that fact). Honestly, I'm willing to sheep town heroes Rayn + Plammer to say, "yah Gumshoe has shit the bed so hard that it's quite possible if not quite likely that he's scum." | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:46 prplhz wrote: i can't believe tl towns are this bad without a marv/rayn/palm around shoutout to geript for being the only player here i enjoyed playing with no matter his alignment I think you're town. I actually really appreciate this. I want to push Ceph; I pushed Ceph. Gum is either being super awful for scum here. LSB has an ok shot at being scum too. Like too many people haven't cared about this game at all for the majority of it which means scum wins most likely. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:51 austinmcc wrote: I am saying you look scummier for that comment. "As scum, it's a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, someone who does something that makes him look bad is town." That is GENERALLY a mafia argument when I've seen it. Within the last week it has been used by mafia to defend a scumbuddy on this forum. Like, fill in some proper names there. "As scum, it'a a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, Holyflare is town because he did something that made him look bad (this argument)." Within that statement, you're saying HolyFlare did something that looked bad. Otherwise the "scum wouldn't do things that look bad" argument is inapplicable, you HAVE to have done something that looked bad for it to be a relevant argument. But you just push that aside entirely and give some silliness about how he can't have info on 3Ps or would be paranoid or would know that "wins with the town" = TEH ENEMIEZ On April 08 2014 06:32 austinmcc wrote: I'd kill Killing. Townies defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but this case is different because of x, y, z" or "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but I think these other things he's done are townie, and overall he's townie." Scum defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but scum don't like being scummy, so him doing a scummy thing makes him town." (BECAUSE HOLY CRAP THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONCE, EVERYONE IN THE GAME EVER WHO DOES SCUMMY STUFF IS KINDA TOWN IN YOUR BOOK AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE) Here, Killing is of the mindset that perhaps that Catastrophe is good for town. This is true, we don't know what the Catastrophe is, and whether it's good or bad. Here, Hopeless is not town because he wants Catastrophe to happen. Implying that Catastrophe is bad for town only. Which is the opposite of the above. We have learned nothing about Catastrophe, are entirely unsure what it does. Killing argues that it MIGHT be beneficial to town, perhaps, but then that Hopeless is scum for wanting it to happen. In following Catastrophe lightly, these post stuck out to me. Not saying anything about Austin's alignment because IDK and IDGAF but it really fits the situation here with Gum ##unvote ##vote Ceph | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:54 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote cephiro dude went afk when wagon is off him rofl yup. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:55 prplhz wrote: gumshoe should stop talking for the rest of this game (at the very least) just give us who you want to lynch in last 3 plz. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:58 Cephiro wrote: I did not go afk. This just proves my point, thinking that the prp wagon was a bad one. Cool. Vote yourself. ~Cav | ||
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On April 08 2014 07:23 Cephiro wrote: Gg. Disappointing that it ended like this (to a modkill), and I understand my absence was not a pleasure to play with, which is why I'd like to apologize to the other players for not being as active as I intended do. I will ensure I've got time to play with people that post tens of pages a day next time, or stick to voice mafia for now. ^^ BTW if you pull this shit any any game ever again I will policy lynch you for doing it. Like it's completely unfair to everyone. | ||
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On April 08 2014 07:31 Cephiro wrote: I know it makes the game more unenjoyable, but hardly unfair as activeness is not alignment indicative, especially not when it comes to me. Thus I apologized. If you feel like policy lynching will get you anywhere, then by all means do so. Honestly, you lurking as scum doesn't in any way bother me. I'm just saying if you ever lurk again I will force a policy lynch on you. It's nothing personal. It's not anything against how you play. At this point I've been burned by lurkers too many times. I'm tired of it. This setup would work if we didn't have so many of them especially as town (Coag, Balla, etc.). Like as far as I'm concerned I could probably just stop thinking about the game from now on and autolynch lurkers and just win. People who sign up to play in games should play in them. If they don't play in games they sign up for, they should be banned permanently. A slip here or there is fine, but the sheer amount of stupidity and lurking in this game made it exceptionally unfun. | ||
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On April 08 2014 07:33 Steveling wrote: Um, where is gumshoe, I need my victory song. You should never gloat when you were obvious scum and there was a town who was playing so badly that they were considering lynching him of you. Like I said, I'd still have been voting for you; not just for the association between Sent and you (which was incorrect) but because you were scummy. You shouldn't be proud of anything because you got carried. | ||
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On April 08 2014 07:37 Holyflare wrote: i'd play it again but only if really REALLY strict activity rules are in place pretty much I'd only play it again if only people who actually try to play as both alignments signed up. Like I'm going to have to WotC far more strictly now. | ||
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On April 08 2014 07:38 Steveling wrote: )))))))))))))))) Read the scum qt to see who carried whom. Don't be mad because I called you bad earlier. I don't care about you calling me bad/whatever. I couldn't care less. I'm mad because I had to fight against a lot of dumb town, a lot of town who decided to afk and a lot of people who didn't care. Also fwiw, I think Gumshoe should've gotten modkilled for the "I Swear" thing too. | ||
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On April 08 2014 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I considered it, but honestly only Rayn took it by heart. If the whole town considered him confirmed town for it, I would've done so but I felt that it would've had little impact had Steveling not freaked out about it, though this is understandable. It was in fact my only reason for townreading Gumshoe. | ||
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On April 08 2014 07:52 Koshi wrote: I knew we were on the wrong track. I tried to salvage things with geript and host actions kinda gave away gumshoe was town (also the swear on life rofl). FWIW, as much as I thought that Rayn was scum; how differently you approached me made me rethink. Especially right up until Rayn went off. Like I was really trying to see things from your guys perspective but really couldn't understand why Rayn actually thought I was scum at all and why he liked prplhz's stuff. | ||
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On April 08 2014 07:54 prplhz wrote: does anybody know how i was lynched? for future games. i thought i did the best job i have done in ages looking town. IDK. I have no clue. I don't get it at all. | ||
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