anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.
and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).
it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.
On April 03 2014 07:53 prplhz wrote: not really rayn
like palmar is town just based on how he acts but that's kind of it
i have no idea about your slam read but if you're town i'll trust you on it. if not then lsb is only kind of doing his thing from fisticuffs, lists and plans instead of commenting on stuff. i do think he was a lot more engaged in the game in fisticuffs though, he loudly disagreed with you and picked your number just for the lulz of it. balla i like. i have the same feeling about him that i did in default suspicions.
sent/coag hard to say. coag null, sent not very active.
getript is hard to say really. i would probably lynch him over cephiro. for someone who is this active he should really be more all over the place. i don't get how he can not comment on this whole swearing situation and just carry on with the same old prplhz-is-scum-for-no-reason thing.
i think gum is scum over steve. just thinking the steve thing over, i don't mind that he doesn't want to 1up gum on the oath thing. i can also get over that he originally complained over the oath thing because it was a bad argument (here) and only later did he mention that he opposed it because of a principle thing. his ragequit looked bad but then it turns out he didn't ragequit at all so that didn't actually look bad anyway. all in all, i think steve navigated a minefield and emerged relatively unscathed. gum on the other hand.....
If mderg were to flip red, would that impact your opinion on steve? Do you mind lynching him first? Or do you think someone else in that cell is scum?
no. i think mderg red indicates steve green, and that's my opinion already. i don't mind lynching mderg before steve since i think mderg looks scummy and i dont think steve looks scummy. i would mind lynched steve after mderg though because steve looks town and i don't want to lynch town (not even if they have amazing reads or they are known bussers).
On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote: anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.
and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).
it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.
If Geript is town, he has a flat out better chance of reading you than rayn would, it's not even a matter of reasoning, to him you look like scum by default considering that Ceph has barely played / :
So your telling him that Rayn reads you better makes no sense in this context. Also when does Geript ever make sense period? You dont seem to think hes overtly scummy, so is Ceph playing a super lurk scum game? Is that where your at?
i don't understand this at all.
ceph didn't play so he looks null. he could go either way. that doesn't say anything about me at all. to geript the job is literally this: decide if prplhz looks town or scum. if he looks town, lynch ceph. if he looks scum, lynch him. why would i look scum by default becase ceph isn't here?
i didn't play with geript before that i know of. two video mafia games but i got killed n1 in one of them and replaced into the other at LYLO (and won the very next lynch, horay!). i think i said about as much already.
i said where i was at in my post. i would lynch getript over ceph right now. might change though so ceph should def start posting.
On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote: anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.
and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).
it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.
If Geript is town, he has a flat out better chance of reading you than rayn would, it's not even a matter of reasoning, to him you look like scum by default considering that Ceph has barely played / :
So your telling him that Rayn reads you better makes no sense in this context. Also when does Geript ever make sense period? You dont seem to think hes overtly scummy, so is Ceph playing a super lurk scum game? Is that where your at?
i don't understand this at all.
ceph didn't play so he looks null. he could go either way. that doesn't say anything about me at all. to geript the job is literally this: decide if prplhz looks town or scum. if he looks town, lynch ceph. if he looks scum, lynch him. why would i look scum by default becase ceph isn't here?
i didn't play with geript before that i know of. two video mafia games but i got killed n1 in one of them and replaced into the other at LYLO (and won the very next lynch, horay!). i think i said about as much already.
i said where i was at in my post. i would lynch getript over ceph right now. might change though so ceph should def start posting.
Im saying that you are arguing that Rayn reads you better and that Geript should listen to him, this is dumb for two reasons 1) If Geript is town he has a easier time reading you then Rayn, this is a fact. 2) People can not make sense and still be right / : Geript does it all the time.
1 isn't a fact as much as it is plain wrong. geript has an edge but that doesn't mean he's better than rayn. i mean, the consequence of this line of thought is that we should have every single group decide their own lynch because the two townies in the group know better themselves. obviously we're going to want everbody's opinion on it, not just to get a read on them but also to use their reads because they might be good scumhunters.
2 man that's true. totally new perspective here, didn't even consider that. geript doesn't make sense, so in case he is right, i should sheep him on lynching me. yes. how could i not have seen this before now.
i'm really slow and all so please bear with me if i'm asking dumb questions.
you read me scum, but you read rayn scummier because he doesn't agree with you on your read on me?
Yes I read you as scum. Not wholly sold on it but that is what it is.
No I do not read Rayn as being scummier than you because he doesn't agree with me on my read on you. I read Rayn as scum for different reasons. That specifically was my point in asking Rayn about you. The conversation went like this:
Geript: Oh so scummy scummy, please enlighten us with your townread on the scummy prplhz Rayn: Oh scumript... why you so scummy. Prplhz hasn't done anything scummy yet, he's totes got lots of good posts and I like his reads Geript: Dear Scummaster, please enighten us dumb town on what those good reads prplhz had the great supertowny posts he has made. Rayn: Prplhz is totes town for his reads on my group (Rayn/Gum/Steve); I really like his evolution of reads in this group specifically. Plus his reads on Scumript are totes towny. Geript: Post case on the everywhere where prplhz has called anyone scummy AND questions prplhz has made regarding Townript meta. See all these points that prplhz has made; Prome called me towny for these points. Rayn is quite aware of this meta and has used this meta to read townript from scumript in the past both on forum and in video. ScumMaster is clearlly bullshitting here because TownRayn would've looked at the points prplhz has made and been far less sure about it being Scumript vs Townript. Geript: Point 2: TownRayn wouldn't also not have slept of prplhz because he hasn't, despite what Scumrayn wants to point out, been clearly town.
Oooh I'll make a picture case of it when I get back from work to make it 100% clear.
hmm
who is "ScumMaster"?
what does "slept of prplhz" mean?
it should be noted that i didn't call you scum for being confident. i said that i was uncomfortable with you because your confidence looked like an act. acting, as in something townies don't do. i agree with prome that confidence is generally a town tell, but hey, since you know that confidence is something people might use as a town tell for you, why wouldn't you fake it as scum? that's where i was coming from when i said that.
On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote: anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.
and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).
it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.
If Geript is town, he has a flat out better chance of reading you than rayn would, it's not even a matter of reasoning, to him you look like scum by default considering that Ceph has barely played / :
So your telling him that Rayn reads you better makes no sense in this context. Also when does Geript ever make sense period? You dont seem to think hes overtly scummy, so is Ceph playing a super lurk scum game? Is that where your at?
i don't understand this at all.
ceph didn't play so he looks null. he could go either way. that doesn't say anything about me at all. to geript the job is literally this: decide if prplhz looks town or scum. if he looks town, lynch ceph. if he looks scum, lynch him. why would i look scum by default becase ceph isn't here?
i didn't play with geript before that i know of. two video mafia games but i got killed n1 in one of them and replaced into the other at LYLO (and won the very next lynch, horay!). i think i said about as much already.
i said where i was at in my post. i would lynch getript over ceph right now. might change though so ceph should def start posting.
Im saying that you are arguing that Rayn reads you better and that Geript should listen to him, this is dumb for two reasons 1) If Geript is town he has a easier time reading you then Rayn, this is a fact. 2) People can not make sense and still be right / : Geript does it all the time.
1 isn't a fact as much as it is plain wrong. geript has an edge but that doesn't mean he's better than rayn. i mean, the consequence of this line of thought is that we should have every single group decide their own lynch because the two townies in the group know better themselves. obviously we're going to want everbody's opinion on it, not just to get a read on them but also to use their reads because they might be good scumhunters.
2 man that's true. totally new perspective here, didn't even consider that. geript doesn't make sense, so in case he is right, i should sheep him on lynching me. yes. how could i not have seen this before now.
1: No, we shouldnt, cause the cells can lie, the point is you are telling GERIPT HIMSELF that he should listen to Rayn, which is dumb because he has a far better shot at catching scum than Rayn, I dont know why you feel the need to deny that, all I'm saying is if Geript is town, you pretty much have to look scummy to him (because cephs not doing shit) regardless of reason.
2: Fair point : P just saying, bad doesn't a scum make.
1) well i did ask geript to read my filter from my last games (and they're not very big, don't worry) and see where rayn is coming from. not all of my games, my filter from my last game (world championship) might be the best one. just to get an idea about me. i'm not just asking him to sheep rayn. also, no i don't have to look scummy to him because ceph isn't around. i can also look towny to him. right? or i can look null. how i look has absolutely nothing to do with how ceph looks. gript just has to pick one at some point but he can easily read us both as scummy and be completely in doubt and frustrated with his group, or he can read us both as town and be equally in doubt and frustrated. right?
On April 03 2014 12:47 Tehpoofter wrote: Prplhz: This was my top scum read last night and honestly through the day it got worse and he said something to me that I can't get over, This post maybe the scummiest post in the game:
On April 03 2014 08:04 prplhz wrote: mderg might be scum because he was right on steve when no one else was. i also like balla24's early read on him but that's a bit more flaky.
poofter i don't know really. low activity and i don't remember thinking his posts were all that great.
flare isn't very active.
dunno that's kind of a hard group. flare is nowhere near as townie as he was in that game we just played where no one accused him of anything the entire game.
So I hate slips I really do as part of case maybe in his mind steve is town here and mderp is the first to point it out. But It seems certain like that wording is super awkward as town. I think its scummy of him to say either way because hes saying "Hey I think this guy that same to the same conclusion as me is scummy for it" I mean maybe its like hes hipster and he knew it first is what he is going to use if steve flipped green but meh.
He also says that holyflare isn't active. I don't find that to be the case at all he was commenting the whole time during the 20 page cell 1 battle now I agree that he isn't as spammy as he was last game I played with him in titanic where he called out DP day 1 and wouldn't shut up about it (to be fair no one listened sry HF) but he still has been active in the thread so painting him as inactive to me is a lazy read.
The point on me is fair I'm a low volume player which is fine I make myself known as town and am trying to get better at hunting scum. Although personally I think my posts are great he can disagree on that.
This post seems like he wanted to give some reads on a cell but didn't really put much effort into it. Now this is either lazy town or scum not wanting to pick a side. I actually think his mderg read was a light bus tbh and will be bringing up my case on mderg after I get off work in a half hour.
@prplhz How is HF low activity? Is he said anything you do and don't like? What about me? Anything about my plan or my interactions? Mderg only scummy cause he "was right" on steve? or is there anything else?
yes, i liked balla24's read on him, i said as much.
flare is a player who is a lot more active than me in general. it's kind of a meta read but he generally posts a lot more than he has done this game. see worldchampionships where i had a 5 page filter and he had an 18 page filter.
On April 03 2014 12:52 Tehpoofter wrote: @gript I didn't bring up your case on rayn cause I was talking mainly in that post about cell 1 as a whole. Not outside influence as much. So there was one part of your case that I didn't like because it seems to me that rayn could easily exploit it as mafia and why he wouldn't do it is beyond me since you clearly are adamant about it.... basically the part where you say "rayn should know I'm town the fact he doesn't makes him mafia" where as rayn as mafia would know your town and could just call you town and placate you. I don't see the advantage scum rayn has unless hes partner's with exactly prphlz (who I think is mafia btw) and wants to leave it open for you to be mafia in the case that your inactive dude comes up and seems super town and hes already called you town and doesn't want to paint himself into a corner)
I'll reread it when I get home geript about to get off work here and have to clean up around here and also need to read the other games I'm in.... I'm super salty I read 20 pages of arguing and came to the same conclusion I should have just skipped the whole damn thing.
This setup is 100% predicated on scum obtaining Mislynches. There's huge impetus for scum Rayn not to townread me because it limits his mislynch options. Besides the point isn't in any way based on Rayn not town reading me. Like read what I wrote people. This is specifically based on Rayn's response re: prplhz. Prplhz filter specifically has points which IN THE LEAST point to townript; town Rayn would at least consider this in his read. He would not be 100% scumript and not 100% agree with his prplhz read on me because prplhz specifically points out things that indicate townript.
i really don't like that you say that i have pointed out things that should make you town but that i say that they make you scum. because that hasn't happened. please point out where that happened if it has.
On April 03 2014 20:45 mderg wrote: rayn is difficult to read right now. I think it´s very well possible that he is scum (He would make the most sense to be scum in that cell, if my take on Holyflare is correct).
I thought balla looked pretty townie at the start but he mostly kept himself out of the fight between gumshoe and ryan as well as the steveling case. Almost like he wanted to stay out of trouble. He also had quite some interest in cell 2. So I´m leaning slightly towards scum on him.
right
so you think it's possible that rayn is scum
do you think there's anyone in this game for whom it is not possible to be scum?
also balla almost looked like he wanted to stay out of trouble.
does that mean that he did NOT look like he wanted to stay out of trouble?
like if for example if i can almost bench 240, that means that i can't actually bench 240
On April 03 2014 23:18 prplhz wrote: i don't think that scum steve would ragequit only to come back again right away and not ragequit at all
This is baseless because he could get pm'd about a modkill, he could be in a qt where they tell him to come back and push rayn, he could be anything.
i completely disagree with this
if you're scum and you ragequit, i think you're thinking "i'm going to ragequit now because of this and that" and then you ragequit. and then you actually ragequit.
as town it's more of a spur of the moment thing "man fuck this shit i'm leaving" but then you think it over and it doesn't take any longer to decide not to ragequit than it does to decide to ragequit.
EPT
