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On April 06 2014 11:00 LSB wrote: Not only are associative reads from lynchs horrible we still don't know for sure if [UoN]Sentinal or Palmar is town. Yes there would be no reason for Sentinal to make a jackass of himself before coming in at the end of the scumteam however it is all speculation from there. Now I am saying that before I make my own associative reads. From now on I will say that Rayn was definitively scum. 1) His gumshoe case was weak. I don't think town rayn would spend most of his time tunneling someone and then suddenly drop it on a whim... 2) He claimed scum and got himself modkilled. I am all for policy lynching people who claim scum, especially people who claim scum because they know they are about to be sent to the TL ban list. Rayn and Geript. I cannot fathom how rayn and geript would be on the same scumteam together. The level of acting and interaction would seriously have me question "Do you have a life? Or do you spend all your time pretending to argue?". To me their conversations are far too numerous and far to genuine to be faked. Ceph is lurking far to hard to be readable. I actually don't think this is the first game in which he has done that though... Time to filter prphz If rayn is scum, the only person he liked in coags cell was Palmer / : Palmer likewise KNEW somehow that rayn was town. And They both loved prplz. Yay Constants and variables! Geript isn't scum, he just isn't. Yet rayn banked on winning this cell ( as his chosen orders implied) prplz makes too much sense / : Associative reads have more than a place in this setup / : scum are so limited in their choices, they can't help but reveal themselves / : | ||
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On April 06 2014 11:14 getmoript wrote: We told you the mayor was important. We told you and nobody listened. We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now. (Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset.  )~Cav If we lynch a townie in our cell it counts as a loss, we are no lynching. I also really hope rayn doesn't get banned ) : I'm a bit responsible for all that went down as well me feels T-T | ||
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On April 06 2014 11:31 getmoript wrote: Uh no. Rayn was town. No lynching means we lose a point if Rayn was town. nononononononononononononononono Geript, no offence, but I am so happy that I won't have to keep trying trying to convince you after today XD | ||
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For those who think Palmer was scum. prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him. geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town. So ceph is mafia. At this point in time Palmer is pretty much confirmed town, no one wants to lynch him. There is no reason for him to offer a fake opinion because in his eyes no matter who gets lynched, he looks fine. Palmer was giving us his last will and testament, he wanted us to follow this, Ceph cannot be scum... For those who think Rayn is scum. I'll go through everything with Koshi tomorrow. I think we have a lot of shit on the table already as we are only 24h into the game. geript i try to explain my read on prplhz for the last time and if you are town you gotta stop this shit and start paying attention. Until tomorrow i'm off. Rayn is attacking Geript almost purely because he is after prplz. Which implies that if Geript were going after cephiro, rayn would not care. If we assume one of them is scum it is extremely easy to tie them together. If we assume Palmar is scum, whats with this agenda? I don't listen to arguments that assume rayn was mafia. I think rayn was town. Steveling is basically confirmed town. gumshoe wants to no-lynch in their group as he's convinced rayn is mafia. If steve is mafia there is absolutely no reason for steve not just to shut the fuck up and accept the free win. So gumshoe is mafia Again, it is extremely important to note that Palmer assumes his word carries wait, he is not under suspicion, this is 100 percent what he wants town to do because he could not have possibly forseen sent and coag clearing each other. If Palmar is scum and rayn was town, why is he not pushing for a no lynch? (this was from palmer, in case you forgot) Steveling is basically confirmed town. gumshoe wants to no-lynch in their group as he's convinced rayn is mafia. If steve is mafia there is absolutely no reason for steve not just to shut the fuck up and accept the free win. By his own reasoning, scum would have no reason to push for a lynch in an extremely volatile cell(they had already won no less) unless they absolutely had to / : so it's quite simple, if palmer was pushing for a lynch in our cell and he was scum (which we bloody will assume, because it is logical, you stubborn crutchy blind people) Rayn has to be scum Prplz himself concedes that palmar was scum, so theres no really no argument here. Rayn and Palmar are scum, if we want to win this game everyone needs to accept that. As an additional argument, Rayn placed this group second, illustrating that he was confident they could win it. If ceph or Geript was scum, then wouldn't this be a group scum would want to avoid at all costs? Scum was trying to set up the same scenario as yesterday, where we vote between two iffy townies and ignore the scum all together / : so that when the one iffy townie flips, we blame the other. It is far and away the best play scum can make in this setup, lets not fall for it again shall we? Prplz, because your bad at this game and scum, I'll make things really easy on you, just answer these two : D 1: If palmar is scum(no one should debate this) and rayn is town, why is he calling for a lynch in my cell? Does it not worry you that he honestly wanted ceph lynched as well? 2: If Rayn is scum, why did he place this group second in both his orders? How could he be so confident that they would win it if ceph or geript was scum? | ||
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On April 07 2014 02:21 prplhz wrote: @Steveling What is your scumteam right now? i swear on my life that gum is scum Alas, poor prplz, I knew him.... dude was a scummer / : | ||
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On April 06 2014 19:48 prplhz wrote: If neither getmoript or gumshoe give me any out at all and lynch me on exlusively on associative reads I'm not even going to try. The idea that you have outed the entire scum team and that they all decided to vocally defend lynchbait prplhz is bad and if you think it's a good idea then I can't defend myself against it at all. I think that getmoript is town over Cephiro because Cephiro is only putting in a bare minimum of effort, not in any way enough to make me think that he is town. At the same time I checked geript's and getmoript's filters from all his earlier games and he is simply too active for me to think that he is scum. Thus Cephiro over getmoript. How are you lynch bait 0_0 Geript, Palmer, Rayn, Holy, balla, steve, mdern, all the most influential players and then some found you town 0_0 how are you even remotely lynch bait? | ||
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On April 07 2014 04:11 prplhz wrote: I thought you thought that Palmar, raynpelikonoshi, Balla24 and mderg are all scum, so actually it's only getmoript and Steveling who are townie and think I'm town? So 2 townies out of 10 think I'm town and that means I'm not lynchbait? The scum team thinking your town is not a good thing 0_0 also its holy geript and steve : P you left one out. | ||
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@Steveling What is your current scumteam?[/QUOTE [quote]i swear on my life that gum is scum[/quote] why are you not flipped yet? | ||
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On April 07 2014 04:02 prplhz wrote: I cannot really answer for Palmar because I am not Palmar. I cannot tell you why he did whatever because I do not know. So I'm not going to. You are saying "If Palmar is scum and everybody thinks he is town, would he not just push scum agenda in his last post?" And then you nitpick. Palmar's entire last-reads-post can be found here and he says plenty of stuff. You keep saying that there's no way he'd not push scum agenda in that post so consequently his read on me was scum agenda and that makes me scum. But what about the rest of the post? There's some stuff I'm sure you would also think is scum agenda (such as him calling you scum) but then he suddenly says: What? It cannot possibly be scum agenda to post this because he is saying absolutely nothing and nothing isn't scum agenda. It no one's agenda. You are saying that he has no reason not to push scum agenda, but right here we can see he is not pushing scum agenda. This conclusively proves that Palmar wasn't solely pushing scum agenda in his last post, and you cannot say that everything he says in that post is to get townies lynched instead of townies. If you just want whatever the fuck explanation for why a scum Palmar would say "Lynch Cephiro over prplhz and getmoript" when Cephiro is scum, then I can make one up for you. It was to look good so we didn't get suspicious of him being scum because he thought that if we started thinking he was scum maybe we could gleen something from his interactions with other people in this game. There, I don't know if that's what he was thinking, because he was scum and they purposely mislead people, but that could absolutely be what he was thinking. It should be noted that Palmar wasn't in any way confirmed town at the time he made his last-reads-post. There were people pointing fingers at him and while a [UoN]Sentinel lynch would have put him in a very good position, one of the votes for [UoN]Sentinel was [UoN]Sentinel's own vote. He had no idea that [UoN]Sentinel wouldn't move it back or that someone else wouldn't move it back. At the point Palmar made this post, I think it would be very hard for him to predict how much the flip and the 30 minutes leading up to it would influence everybody's opinion on him. So he probably just made a middle-of-the-road-post in line with a lot of the things he had said already in the thread. The "he would be confirmed town and we would all heed his bidding so he posted scummy shit" argument is vastly exaggerated. Did it not worry me that Palmar was pushing Cephiro? Yes, a bit. But then I remembered that I do not listen to scum because they're generally very untrustworthy. Instead, I read the game. And I arrived at the conclusion that I don't think that getmoript is scum (even though I could easily have continued that line as scum) but that Cephiro is. This isn't even a pressure vote, like the rest of the votes for Cephiro, I'm pretty sure he's scum over getmoript which is also why I am proposing me or Cephiro today and not so much focus on getmoript. As for raynpelikonoshi, I still think he was town. I don't know why I would think otherwise. I don't really know why he made this order and honestly, I don't think it matters a lot or that it points at anything. To me it seemed like Koshi came in from the sidelines soon before deadline and then he had to make something up very fast. Do you actually have something that I did that point at me being scum? Or is everything pointing to me being scum something someone else (scum) did? And if every single scum in the game is incriminating someone (which you seem to believe), does that really point at that person being scum? 1: Oh god its soooo fucking good to have an answer to this question, like you have no idea how delicious this counter is going to be. Notice how Palmer is certain that cephiro is scum and certain that I am scum (which you now totally disagree with) but is not certain about holy or Slams group? This is because they are not important, scum are trying to win the game in the first three days. The reason Palmer isnt overtly pushing an agenda for these last two groups is because he doesnt want the game to go that far. He intends for things to end on day 3. The only way the game goes to day 4 is if we realize Palmer was either completely wrong, or scum. and at that point, if we at least suspect hes scum, why would he want us to have even more information at our disposal? Also your argument that he was scummy is completely invalid, because there was not a single vote on him 0_0 he was the towniest person there bar none and if the lynch looked just a bit different, no one would have ever believed he was scum. That is a point that is not up for discussion, unless you want me to go through 15 filters and show off how many people were sucking his dick game long. 2: Your point that Palmer wasnt super town is invalid and the setup/specific situation is unique in that it allows him to still look townie after his cell is over / : if we assume Palmar is scum (which you agree) the following two cells are crucial, therefore his read of Cephiro should be the least trusted opinion in this thread. I cannot bilieve that your town process is as follows "hmm, the guy who looked super townie when he posted this but was actually scum really wanted this guy lynched... yeah I should totes listen!" the truth of the matter is that you dont wanna fight with Geript, because hes Geript and youd lose. So your going after a lurker scum WANTED to lynch... you do see how insane this is right? 3: If Rayn is town and steve is scum(which you believe), why is Palmar not pushing for a no lynch? You need to answer this question Prp not just go "hodor hodor!" there is no reason to push me at all in this situation if him and steve are scum. You are insane if you think that / : You have also thought I am scum all game, when did this change? 4: "MAYOR DONT MATTER GUYS" when we now know just what it means for scum. You have flipped off me for no stated reason and if you admit I am town then you were part of an organized effort to destroy me before day 1. I also dont think Ceph is scum because scum hate doing catch up posts, it leaves them vulnerable or it might reveal they're agenda. I also dont think hed lurk all game like this as scum. That and we agree on Geript / : so yeah... your scum. | ||
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On April 07 2014 04:20 getmoript wrote: Gumshoe I really don't get what you're doing. Like you're not making any sense; honestly I'm reconsidering the scum on Steveling because of it. I really liked prplhz big post. Listen closely Geript. If Palmar was scum with steve, which we pretty much know because sentinel nor his scum team would let him that close to death if he was scum, then why is he pushing for a lynch on day 3? Why not no lynch and win? It makes no sense, he is deliberately making steves job harder if they are scum together. Listen, last night in video Geript, we learnt that I should listen to you : D and you should listen to me : D so how about we compromise by doing exactly what I say? | ||
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On April 07 2014 04:52 getmoript wrote: Palmer wasn't scum. Rayn wasn't scum. I'm not 100% about killing Ceph as I just woke up, but prplhz post was really really good. Honestly I think you're acting like an idiot right now. Steve is scum. Geript, I am asking you a favour, this is your last day, please read the argument on the other page at face value. No bias allowed. That prp post you love so much? I crushed it just now. Palmer has no reason to offer concrete reads for days 4 and 5, those reads are a subtle joke meant for a town he does not think exists. Why are palmars reads conveniently rock solid for the days scum are desperate to win? But for the days where town are not supposed to make it to, insanely vague? | ||
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Why does Prplz suddenly think I'm town btw? When did that change? He went from this. i'm talking about how it just seems like you thought "now i'm gonna go 100% bullshit mode and every time someone posts i'm going to make a reply where i say it implies whatever i think" and that's not something a townie does to this. @Steveling What is your scumteam right now? with no reasoning in between... and he still thinks rayn is town? So was Rayn was wrong about me to? Open your eyes Geript this dude is just making shit up as he goes. | ||
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On April 07 2014 05:14 Alakaslam wrote: Excuse me ppl Prplhz is scum CEPHIRO confirmed town Thanks Never change slam : D | ||
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Why would Palmar care about cells 4 or 5 if he intends to win by 3? | ||
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On April 07 2014 05:24 prplhz wrote: @Steveling Can you explain it again in case I didn't understand, what happened at deadline and why am I scum for not understanding it? Sent voted for himself. Steve missed his vote swap onto sent by 30 seconds. Coag was town. If sent was scum, all he would have to do is unvote to save himself 0_0 or his scum team coulda saved him. Basically ocums razer, sent and his team would actually have to try be that shit, coag is town and therefore palmer is playing well as scum. Also the fact of how several players (ie you and palmer) seemed just not to care where theyre votes went and how mdern walked into the thread at that point and didnt say anything about the vote, also supports the argument that the lynch was between two townies. | ||
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On April 07 2014 05:30 gumshoe wrote: Prp, I'll keep asking till I get an answer, when did I become town, why would palmer push for a lynch in our cell. Why would Palmar care about cells 4 or 5 if he intends to win by 3? | ||
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