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On April 07 2014 05:25 Alakaslam wrote:
I mean I see where ppl come from, he megalurxxu, but dis also my point
Think thoopits. Think. Why be scum lurk in this setup?
What advantage to scum for to lurk here?
After some intense thinking I translated it.
This is what I said about ceph as well.
How does slam make so much sense arguably by randomly moving his hands on the keyboard, tensai mafia player?
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On April 07 2014 05:24 prplhz wrote:
@Steveling Can you explain it again in case I didn't understand, what happened at deadline and why am I scum for not understanding it?
Sent voted for himself. Steve missed his vote swap onto sent by 30 seconds.
Coag was town. If sent was scum, all he would have to do is unvote to save himself 0_0 or his scum team coulda saved him.
Basically ocums razer, sent and his team would actually have to try be that shit, coag is town and therefore palmer is playing well as scum.
Also the fact of how several players (ie you and palmer) seemed just not to care where theyre votes went and how mdern walked into the thread at that point and didnt say anything about the vote, also supports the argument that the lynch was between two townies.
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On April 07 2014 05:30 gumshoe wrote:
Prp, I'll keep asking till I get an answer, when did I become town, why would palmer push for a lynch in our cell.
Why would Palmar care about cells 4 or 5 if he intends to win by 3?
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Im just going to make sure this question is always on the current page till you answer it prp.
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On April 07 2014 05:31 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 05:25 Alakaslam wrote:
I mean I see where ppl come from, he megalurxxu, but dis also my point
Think thoopits. Think. Why be scum lurk in this setup?
What advantage to scum for to lurk here? After some intense thinking I translated it. This is what I said about ceph as well. How does slam make so much sense arguably by randomly moving his hands on the keyboard, tensai mafia player?
I do watches this Bill Cosby
BRAIN DAMAGE!
All children come with it
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On April 07 2014 05:33 gumshoe wrote:
Im just going to make sure this question is always on the current page till you answer it prp.
Kan do this too
I am on moar than u?
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On April 07 2014 05:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 05:30 gumshoe wrote:
Prp, I'll keep asking till I get an answer, when did I become town, why would palmer push for a lynch in our cell.
Why would Palmar care about cells 4 or 5 if he intends to win by 3?
Now in my philtur
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On April 07 2014 05:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 05:33 gumshoe wrote:
Im just going to make sure this question is always on the current page till you answer it prp. Kan do this too I am on moar than u?
XD Im sure that wont be necessary. I appreciate it though : P
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On April 07 2014 05:16 gumshoe wrote:Geript please answer my question honestly. You know your capable of making mistakes some times ) : if you honestly cant wrap your head around what I'm saying, than I am pleading with you, just this once, sheep me? Why does Prplz suddenly think I'm town btw? When did that change? He went from this. Show nested quote +i'm talking about how it just seems like you thought "now i'm gonna go 100% bullshit mode and every time someone posts i'm going to make a reply where i say it implies whatever i think" and that's not something a townie does to this. with no reasoning in between... and he still thinks rayn is town? So was Rayn was wrong about me to? Open your eyes Geript this dude is just making shit up as he goes.
Look gumshoe. I feel like I've had a shitty day 1. But I've been willing to step back reread and look at why I think what I think. Your reasons for calling Palmer scum and Rayn scum are completely illogical and bad. Palmer only focusing on days 1-3 makes sense from both alignments; additionally pods 4 and 2 are the hardest to read far and away. They're all pretty low volume on top of that. On top of that, Sent's last sets of post practically claimed scum. Like Rayn wasn't scum; it's basic and obvious. I've already explained it. I'm willing to listen to actual non-associative arguments for prplhz being scum while I meta him and reread him. But these bad illogical arguments will get you no where with me.
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On April 07 2014 04:37 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 04:02 prplhz wrote:On April 07 2014 02:35 gumshoe wrote:
[bullshit]
1: If palmar is scum(no one should debate this) and rayn is town, why is he calling for a lynch in my cell? Does it not worry you that he honestly wanted ceph lynched as well?
2: If Rayn is scum, why did he place this group second in both his orders? How could he be so confident that they would win it if ceph or geript was scum?
I cannot really answer for Palmar because I am not Palmar. I cannot tell you why he did whatever because I do not know. So I'm not going to.
You are saying "If Palmar is scum and everybody thinks he is town, would he not just push scum agenda in his last post?" And then you nitpick. Palmar's entire last-reads-post can be found here and he says plenty of stuff. You keep saying that there's no way he'd not push scum agenda in that post so consequently his read on me was scum agenda and that makes me scum. But what about the rest of the post? There's some stuff I'm sure you would also think is scum agenda (such as him calling you scum) but then he suddenly says: On April 06 2014 06:41 Palmar wrote:I honestly have no idea about slam and LSB. Balla looked somewhat townie early on but I'm not even sure he's playing the game anymore which is uncharacteristic of him. This group is really null to me. I've not spent nearly enough time on the people in this group really, they're all very low volume posters. What? It cannot possibly be scum agenda to post this because he is saying absolutely nothing and nothing isn't scum agenda. It no one's agenda. You are saying that he has no reason not to push scum agenda, but right here we can see he is not pushing scum agenda. This conclusively proves that Palmar wasn't solely pushing scum agenda in his last post, and you cannot say that everything he says in that post is to get townies lynched instead of townies. If you just want whatever the fuck explanation for why a scum Palmar would say "Lynch Cephiro over prplhz and getmoript" when Cephiro is scum, then I can make one up for you. It was to look good so we didn't get suspicious of him being scum because he thought that if we started thinking he was scum maybe we could gleen something from his interactions with other people in this game. There, I don't know if that's what he was thinking, because he was scum and they purposely mislead people, but that could absolutely be what he was thinking. It should be noted that Palmar wasn't in any way confirmed town at the time he made his last-reads-post. There were people pointing fingers at him and while a [UoN]Sentinel lynch would have put him in a very good position, one of the votes for [UoN]Sentinel was [UoN]Sentinel's own vote. He had no idea that [UoN]Sentinel wouldn't move it back or that someone else wouldn't move it back. At the point Palmar made this post, I think it would be very hard for him to predict how much the flip and the 30 minutes leading up to it would influence everybody's opinion on him. So he probably just made a middle-of-the-road-post in line with a lot of the things he had said already in the thread. The "he would be confirmed town and we would all heed his bidding so he posted scummy shit" argument is vastly exaggerated.
Did it not worry me that Palmar was pushing Cephiro? Yes, a bit. But then I remembered that I do not listen to scum because they're generally very untrustworthy. Instead, I read the game. And I arrived at the conclusion that I don't think that getmoript is scum (even though I could easily have continued that line as scum) but that Cephiro is. This isn't even a pressure vote, like the rest of the votes for Cephiro, I'm pretty sure he's scum over getmoript which is also why I am proposing me or Cephiro today and not so much focus on getmoript.
As for raynpelikonoshi, I still think he was town. I don't know why I would think otherwise. I don't really know why he made this order and honestly, I don't think it matters a lot or that it points at anything. To me it seemed like Koshi came in from the sidelines soon before deadline and then he had to make something up very fast.
Do you actually have something that I did that point at me being scum? Or is everything pointing to me being scum something someone else (scum) did? And if every single scum in the game is incriminating someone (which you seem to believe), does that really point at that person being scum? 1: Oh god its soooo fucking good to have an answer to this question, like you have no idea how delicious this counter is going to be. Notice how Palmer is certain that cephiro is scum and certain that I am scum (which you now totally disagree with) but is not certain about holy or Slams group? This is because they are not important, scum are trying to win the game in the first three days. The reason Palmer isnt overtly pushing an agenda for these last two groups is because he doesnt want the game to go that far. He intends for things to end on day 3. The only way the game goes to day 4 is if we realize Palmer was either completely wrong, or scum. and at that point, if we at least suspect hes scum, why would he want us to have even more information at our disposal? Also your argument that he was scummy is completely invalid, because there was not a single vote on him 0_0 he was the towniest person there bar none and if the lynch looked just a bit different, no one would have ever believed he was scum. That is a point that is not up for discussion, unless you want me to go through 15 filters and show off how many people were sucking his dick game long. 2: Your point that Palmer wasnt super town is invalid and the setup/specific situation is unique in that it allows him to still look townie after his cell is over / : if we assume Palmar is scum (which you agree) the following two cells are crucial, therefore his read of Cephiro should be the least trusted opinion in this thread. I cannot bilieve that your town process is as follows "hmm, the guy who looked super townie when he posted this but was actually scum really wanted this guy lynched... yeah I should totes listen!" the truth of the matter is that you dont wanna fight with Geript, because hes Geript and youd lose. So your going after a lurker scum WANTED to lynch... you do see how insane this is right? 3: If Rayn is town and steve is scum(which you believe), why is Palmar not pushing for a no lynch? You need to answer this question Prp not just go "hodor hodor!" there is no reason to push me at all in this situation if him and steve are scum. You are insane if you think that / : You have also thought I am scum all game, when did this change? 4: "MAYOR DONT MATTER GUYS" when we now know just what it means for scum. You have flipped off me for no stated reason and if you admit I am town then you were part of an organized effort to destroy me before day 1. I also dont think Ceph is scum because scum hate doing catch up posts, it leaves them vulnerable or it might reveal they're agenda. I also dont think hed lurk all game like this as scum. That and we agree on Geript / : so yeah... your scum.
1) Or else he is just posting a middle-of-the-road opinion post which summarizes what he's said so far.
Palmar said several times that he thought I was town. 1 2 3.
Palmar said said that getmoript was town. 1
And that's what he said in his final post, prplhz town, getmoript town, Cephiro scum. Just saying what he had said all game, and these quotes are all from before raynpelikonoshi picked the lynch order. Don't you think people would have complained loudly if he had suddenly said "prplhz confirmed scum" when he had called me town all game? Same with getmoript.
It should also be noted that the post doesn't in any way look carefully crafted like if it was a plan he had been tinkering with. It really looks like something he wrote in 3 minutes before deadline just because I happened to ask him to post something and he interpreted that as a request for a list.
Palmar said that raynpelikonoshi was town. 1 2 3 4. Plenty more on him but you get my point.
Okay Palmar changed his read on Steveling. Scum 1. I don't know what to make of that right now.
At the same time, and you should know this, Palmar has called you scum a lot.
Again with the Holyflare/LSB/Balla24 reads it really looks like he is just posting what he thinks makes sense for him as a townie to post.
You are saying that Palmar has a motivation for ending the game before d4 and that I should know this and consequently believe that anything he said, he meant the exact opposite. I just don't see that motivation. Cephiro was looking shit so Palmar might as well just throw him under a bus to earn some town cred and then people would be like "Fuck yeah, Palmar saving us" and the Cephiro lynch might very well have happened anyway.
I kind of agree with you in that Palmar didn't just give us scum to lynch in his last post, that would be fucking dumb. His last words as scum wouldn't be "Lynch my two team mates and then, I dunno". So consequently you are town. Dunno maybe I should really reconsider raynpelikonoshi.
One thing speaking against Palmar having a strong motivation for ending the game before d4 is that he didn't say anything about his teammates in cell4 and cell5. If he really really wanted the game to end before d4 then he could have said "Balla24 townies fucker on the planet" and "mderg confirmed town because of this and this post" and they could have used this town cred to bury this game.
Thinking about it, I think it's more likely that Palmar secured mislynch for his own group, and with his dying breath tried to secure another mislynch. Then cell4 and cell5 had to win the game from there. But this is just dumb speculation.
I never said Palmar was scummy, I said that he wasn't declared town by everybody, there was suspicion. No, there wasn't a single vote for him but both Holyflare and you were on his back and Coagulation and partially also [UoN]Sentinel were pretty good at soaking up the votes.
3) Can you please provide some quotes where I say that I believe that Steveling is scum?
4) Not entirely sure what you're getting at here but "you were part of an organized effort to destroy me before day 1" is just fucking dumb. You are seriously saying that raynpelikonoshi, Palmar and I sat in the scum QT and said "Man, we have to destroy gumshoe before d1 so lets all go get him" and that's completely ludicrous.
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So how do you explain the fact that sentinel literally committed suicide yesterday with his vote?
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On April 07 2014 05:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 05:24 prplhz wrote:
@Steveling Can you explain it again in case I didn't understand, what happened at deadline and why am I scum for not understanding it? Sent voted for himself. Steve missed his vote swap onto sent by 30 seconds. Coag was town. If sent was scum, all he would have to do is unvote to save himself 0_0 or his scum team coulda saved him. Basically ocums razer, sent and his team would actually have to try be that shit, coag is town and therefore palmer is playing well as scum. Also the fact of how several players (ie you and palmer) seemed just not to care where theyre votes went and how mdern walked into the thread at that point and didnt say anything about the vote, also supports the argument that the lynch was between two townies.
... so?
And also, how does this make me scum for not understanding it (which I still don't think I do)?
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On April 07 2014 06:28 Steveling wrote:
So how do you explain the fact that sentinel literally committed suicide yesterday with his vote?
He didn't? Coagulation was lynched yesterday?
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Anyway, how am I supposed to explain why someone else did something and what does that have to do with my alignment?
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On April 07 2014 05:25 Steveling wrote:
Um, really dubious question.
Can you explain why does it matter?
If you asked me to post thoughts on other cells I would have already but you are asking for the scum team?
Explain?
Are you using the word "dubious" right here?
Your reads matter because they do. Not entirely sure why you don't think they matter or why you are so hesitant. I guess I'll just rephrase the question:
Can you post your thoughts on all cells and please point out who you think is scum in them?
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Like just a short post. No text walls please.
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Well, after what happened during the lynch I obviously find palmar and ryankoshi scum.
About your cell I posted earlier.
Cell 4 slam makes much sense lately, I don't like how balla is afk after a very active start. LSB seems neutral from what I remember.
Cell 2 is the hardest for me I think, HF had some good posts, then some bad posts and then yesterday he sheeped scum. But then so did all of us.
Mderg has some good posts but he seems to come and go as he likes, really weird.
Tehpoofter hasn't really given me towny vibes.
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On April 07 2014 06:41 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 05:25 Steveling wrote:
Um, really dubious question.
Can you explain why does it matter?
If you asked me to post thoughts on other cells I would have already but you are asking for the scum team?
Explain? Your reads matter because they do. Not entirely sure why you don't think they matter or why you are so hesitant. I guess I'll just rephrase the question:
Well, I suspect you as scum, you may want to see who I paint red but you obviously know who is what, so you could make points about the people that aren't.
This is why I found it strange that you specifically asked for the scum team.
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One thing speaking against Palmar having a strong motivation for ending the game before d4 is that he didn't say anything about his teammates in cell4 and cell5. If he really really wanted the game to end before d4 then he could have said "Balla24 townies fucker on the planet" and "mderg confirmed town because of this and this post" and they could have used this town cred to bury this game.
Because he was being cautious? You asked me why he was vauge on day 4,5. I answered it's because he wanted to win 123, which fits the groups that Rayn/koshi chose. You have countered with "why didnt he go all out?" because maybe he was worried we wouldn't be idiots and actually get to day 4? If that happens and he went balls out, he just screwed his whole team. You can play to win fast without playing dumb prplz / :
Can you please provide some quotes where I say that I believe that Steveling is scum?
@Steveling
What is your current scumteam?
umm
next!
I never said Palmar was scummy, I said that he wasn't declared town by everybody, there was suspicion. No, there wasn't a single vote for him but both Holyflare and you were on his back and Coagulation and partially also [UoN]Sentinel were pretty good at soaking up the votes.
Holy was not calling palmar scum at the vote. It was just the people about to die accusing him. Which means theres no reason palmers would believe his word would not carry weight going into day 2 at least. Therefore we should lynch anyone today but Ceph because that was Palmars primary obgective.
Not entirely sure what you're getting at here but "you were part of an organized effort to destroy me before day 1" is just fucking dumb. You are seriously saying that raynpelikonoshi, Palmar and I sat in the scum QT and said "Man, we have to destroy gumshoe before d1 so lets all go get him" and that's completely ludicrous.
Yes 0_0 I am totally saying that, because when 33 percent of town are scum(who just so happen to be great players) they have the ability to sway sentiment. Why wouldn't they throw thier weight around when worst case scenario, they can just say steve was scum all along? Also you pretty much agree with me...
Dunno maybe I should really reconsider raynpelikonoshi.
If Rayn was scum all along, and the entire thread has been calling me retarded for the whole game, the campaign against me is a fact 0_0 not a theory and you were a big part of it prp.
Anyway, how am I supposed to explain why someone else did something and what does that have to do with my alignment?
Empathy, reasoning, motive. All we need to do in this game is explain why people do what they do 0_0. Thats the game prp. Are you saying I am not allowed to raise an argument against you unless you are capable of defending yourself against it?
You also clearly understand what happened yesterday and are playing dumb.
... so?
And also, how does this make me scum for not understanding it (which I still don't think I do)?
Yes.
And since they were both town Palmar didn't give a fuck and only did it to create chaos. He didn't predict that it would exonerate both [UoN]Sentinel AND Coagulation which was pretty bad for him.
You clearly understood what happened yesterday. If you didnt, why were you so quick to agree palmar was scum?The only reason your playing dumb is because scum thirve off uncertainty / : the more variables there are today, the less likely youll get lynched.
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On April 07 2014 06:36 prplhz wrote:
Anyway, how am I supposed to explain why someone else did something and what does that have to do with my alignment?
Because thats the game 0_0 explaining why people do what they do. So you agree now that Rayn is scum? When did I become town to you? If you dont agree with the exonoration factor, why were you so quick to agree that plam was scum?
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