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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
looks like he is just posting what he thinks makes sense for him as a townie to post. Yes, but purp, WHY has he been calling you town all game? WHY has he been calling me scum all game? Every read scum makes is meant to impact the cells, if hes scum, what does he gain from green reading you so hard? He is just posting the agenda he has always been posting, that has nothing to do with looking townie. | ||
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getmoript
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 07 2014 07:19 getmoript wrote: Yah, I want to lynch gum now. Like his arguments are completely illogical. They are really really bad. Specifically this argument that Palmer is scum and trying to win days 1-3 and therefore his townread on prplhz means prplhz is scum. This makes zero sense. By this logic, I'm scum too so the only town is Cephiro. He knows I have good reads; he knows I make logical arguments. He's completely ignoring any of the reasons for Rayn to be town. He completely shitting on town hero Palmer. Prplhz has tried all game; he's making good arguments and actually analyzing the game. Gum's push here is fucking awful and I can't believe he can do this as town. No way. Lynch Ceph, then lynch Gum. Prplz agrees that rayn is scum... I just, I just cant geript, I just cant understand how your so dumb T_T | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On April 07 2014 07:19 getmoript wrote: He completely shitting on town hero Palmer.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, exactly as I said earlier, one of them is bad and the other is a scum who's sheeping the former. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
To me it seemed like Koshi came in from the sidelines soon before deadline and then he had to make something up very fast. So heres the order Koshi picked. Palmar coag sent geript prp ceph gum steve rayn holy tehpoof mdern slam lsb balla here is the group rayn proposed hours before, that he was VERY certain on and had thought about the whole game. He left us with this order, expecting it to be the one chosen. Rayn gum steve geript prp ceph slam lsb balla holy tepoof mdern palm sent coag There is a contradiction in Prplz statement that the "rushed" order absolves him. when you spot it, play this music : D | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 07 2014 07:19 getmoript wrote: Yah, I want to lynch gum now. Like his arguments are completely illogical. They are really really bad. Specifically this argument that Palmer is scum and trying to win days 1-3 and therefore his townread on prplhz means prplhz is scum. This makes zero sense. By this logic, I'm scum too so the only town is Cephiro. He knows I have good reads; he knows I make logical arguments. He's completely ignoring any of the reasons for Rayn to be town. He completely shitting on town hero Palmer. Prplhz has tried all game; he's making good arguments and actually analyzing the game. Gum's push here is fucking awful and I can't believe he can do this as town. No way. Lynch Ceph, then lynch Gum. Geript if I actually adress this post will you listen? Cause I can shut it down pretty easily im just not sure its worth the effort. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
rayn go sleep it off you moron oh my god You seem really concerned for Rayn here prplz XD you dont have to respond to this, I just found it funny. | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 07 2014 07:32 gumshoe wrote: Geript if I actually adress this post will you listen? Cause I can shut it down pretty easily im just not sure its worth the effort. If you can make an actual, logical argument as to why prplhz is scum, why palmer was scum or why Rayn is scum I'll listen. As for the order thing, I don't think that makes much of any sense from any alignment. I think Koshi made the order; I don't think Rayn was happy with Koshi's order. I don't think Koshi/Rayn have been seeing eye to eye the whole game. I don't think the order is alignment indicative. I don't think that putting Palmer's group first is bad by any means; it forces Palmer to participate and quite honestly, it gives us Palmer's best reads. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 07 2014 07:03 gumshoe wrote: Because he was being cautious? You asked me why he was vauge on day 4,5. I answered it's because he wanted to win 123, which fits the groups that Rayn/koshi chose. You have countered with "why didnt he go all out?" because maybe he was worried we wouldn't be idiots and actually get to day 4? If that happens and he went balls out, he just screwed his whole team. You can play to win fast without playing dumb prplz / : umm next! Holy was not calling palmar scum at the vote. It was just the people about to die accusing him. Which means theres no reason palmers would believe his word would not carry weight going into day 2 at least. Therefore we should lynch anyone today but Ceph because that was Palmars primary obgective. Yes 0_0 I am totally saying that, because when 33 percent of town are scum(who just so happen to be great players) they have the ability to sway sentiment. Why wouldn't they throw thier weight around when worst case scenario, they can just say steve was scum all along? Also you pretty much agree with me... If Rayn was scum all along, and the entire thread has been calling me retarded for the whole game, the campaign against me is a fact 0_0 not a theory and you were a big part of it prp. Empathy, reasoning, motive. All we need to do in this game is explain why people do what they do 0_0. Thats the game prp. Are you saying I am not allowed to raise an argument against you unless you are capable of defending yourself against it? You also clearly understand what happened yesterday and are playing dumb. You clearly understood what happened yesterday. If you didnt, why were you so quick to agree palmar was scum?The only reason your playing dumb is because scum thirve off uncertainty / : the more variables there are today, the less likely youll get lynched. There isn't really much I can say here. I think responded well to everything but it seems like you're completely lost in this vast conspiracy theory of yours. Things like how you are so certain that you would know exactly how much Palmar would and would not write in his "trap" post, that's just not something you have any idea about and if you think you do then there's nothing I can do about it. That last-reads-post from Palmar was something he wrote in 3 minutes because I happened to ask him about it (and I know you will say that it was all planned in the scum QT that I would ask him about it) and the only odd thing about it is that he changed his view on Steveling. The reason I think Palmar was scum was because of some things leading up to the lynch that I also mentioned. First of all he didn't push his lynch in any way. Town Palmar would do that. You can see him say before the lynch "[UoN]Sentinel is getting lynched because I have decided so" but those were just empty words, [UoN]Sentinel wasn't getting lynched and Palmar didn't give a fuck outside of just putting that vote. The other thing was that [UoN]Sentinel was just not scum. I already mentioned that single frustrated post that no scum could ever make. Voting yourself up to deadline and counting on no one else to vote you to avoid the lynch is just not something scum do. They don't give a fuck as long as they live. One thing you should understand is that I thought Palmar was town and I thought [UoN]Sentinel was town. And I sheep a lot. Like every game I just find someone and sheep them. I'm not a good scum hunter but I like to think that I'm okay at reading at least some people. As for Palmar, in the last 3 games we played I read him town the first 2 and in the last one I was the first to vote him on d1 and he was scum. I really thought Palmar was town this game and it was very hard for me not to sheep him. But in the end it was just so obvious that [UoN]Sentinel was town that I couldn't do anything, I had to stop sheeping Palmar and go on Coagulation. And of course this made me very suspicious of Palmar right away, that I couldn't sheep him. Coagulation turned out to be town. Hence Palmar scum. The switch to [UoN]Sentinel that he himself said was nothing he'd do as scum because it would be too dumb turned out to be something he did as scum and it was too dumb. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 07 2014 07:11 gumshoe wrote: Yes, but purp, WHY has he been calling you town all game? WHY has he been calling me scum all game? Every read scum makes is meant to impact the cells, if hes scum, what does he gain from green reading you so hard? He is just posting the agenda he has always been posting, that has nothing to do with looking townie. I was sheeping him and maybe he didn't want me to stop sheeping him so he called me town? You generally don't sheep people who call you scum. I like how getmoript just pointed out that if we should lynch me for being called town by Palmar, we also have to lynch getmoript. | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 07 2014 08:09 gumshoe wrote: So do you think Rayn is scum? Thats all I need to hear from you / : Lol you don't need anything from me. Your mind is made up. I don't think you're scum. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Like in 24 hours we lynch in your cell. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 07 2014 07:57 getmoript wrote: If you can make an actual, logical argument as to why prplhz is scum, why palmer was scum or why Rayn is scum I'll listen. As for the order thing, I don't think that makes much of any sense from any alignment. I think Koshi made the order; I don't think Rayn was happy with Koshi's order. I don't think Koshi/Rayn have been seeing eye to eye the whole game. I don't think the order is alignment indicative. I don't think that putting Palmer's group first is bad by any means; it forces Palmer to participate and quite honestly, it gives us Palmer's best reads. Geript, your problem is your playing this like a regular mafia game, where anything can happen. In this setup scum HAVE to associate and want to win as fast as possible. They're greatest strength is their power to converge on things, with 5 scum voices to towns divided ten they can accomplish quite a bit. Which is why association reads are much stronger, you all ignore them at your own peril / : That said, I bilieve Palmer was scum because for sent to be scum, the red team would have to be utterly incompetent. Sent voted for himself... the vote was tied and one away from going onto sent... Your problem Geript is that you rather assume 5 people are idiots, rather than that you were wrong ) : honestly scum just didnt give a shit about that lynch because palmar wasn't under fire. Which is why several people were utterly apathetic. Just look at this from prp. JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY into meh ##Vote Coagulation He can explain his reasoning, but that doesn't make his attitude any less scummy ) : and it supports the notion that scum were happy no matter what happened this lynch. As for Rayn, I know I'm town Geript and steves actions dont make sense if hes scum / : (I wanted a no lynch, but he jumps on me for attacking town hero palmar if hes scum why make his own life harder?)whereas Rayns does. Rayn pushed me all game JUST like he did in witchcraft for the exact same reasons. He then got drunk, scum claimed and outed palmar. I have an easier time reading Rayn in this situation than you Geript, you need to accept that. I mean, the best argument that Rayn is scum is that I am scum... yeah sorry I'm not fucking taking that argument into account Geript, but if you wanna believe something that dumb just cause your scared of looking like an idiot, by all means T_T These are my reasons, if we assume Rayn and Palmer are scum (they buddied super hard all game) then Prplz looks like shit. Yes hes been active, but why cant scum play well Geript? Why? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him. and this? geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town. The first one is a one hundred percent read, its phrased as if Palmar would actually be physically hurt if we lynched Prplz. The second one is that you are probally town 0_0 the confidence behind those two reads is worlds apart. Also OF COURSE Palmar would town read two people, theres two fucking town in the cell, he just needs one of them lynched not the other. That doesnt mean your scum, it just means we should DEFINITELY not vote for Cephiro because thats Palmars chosen target T_T | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
How is that at all similar to "yeah geripts probs town" | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
So heres the order Koshi picked. Palmar coag sent geript prp ceph gum steve rayn holy tehpoof mdern slam lsb balla here is the group rayn proposed hours before, that he was VERY certain on and had thought about the whole game. He left us with this order, expecting it to be the one chosen. Rayn gum steve geript prp ceph slam lsb balla holy tepoof mdern palm sent coag There is a contradiction in Prplz statement that the "rushed" order absolves him. when you spot it, play this music : D In case anyone was wondering what the contradiction was, yes Rayn and Koshi disagreed on the specific order, but they both agreed that no matter what prps group would go second this aspect of the order was not rushed and the two of them were unanimous on this choice. If we assume that scum would try and win in three days (as we should) If ceph is scum, why the hell would they want this group second Prplz? Or are you accusing Steveling again? | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Funnily enough this is their only redeeming quality, this consistency in being bad. Prplz on the other hand, suddenly during the lynching is jumping between sentinel-coag with no apparent reason. Also he doesn't understand how what happened proves that palmar is scum. | ||
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