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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 01 2014 19:53 GMT
#181
On April 02 2014 04:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote:
dunno, i like his activity so far and he seems interested in the game. we also agreed on cell 4 first though apparently for different reasons but i don't mind that because his reasons are alright too.

i'm okay with him for now.

You just said he seems kinda scummy.

~rayn

where?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 01 2014 19:53 GMT
#182
oh wait stop i know this
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 01 2014 19:54 GMT
#183
Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours.
Townie points for the person who first tells why.

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 01 2014 19:55 GMT
#184
On April 02 2014 04:35 prplhz wrote:
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On April 02 2014 04:25 Balla24 wrote:
So @prplhz are you saying it's likely that we mislynch when lynching into my cell? In that case why would you want us first, we'd just be starting 0-1?

no, the players in your group are the players i don't think we will benefit a lot from having around a lot. none of you are famous and reliable scum slayers and you seem kind of scummy. we just give it our best shot and then that's it. lynching into group rayn would be silly because rayn looks more and more and he's also a reliable scum hunter that we'll want to have around for more than 48 hours. same with groups 1,2,3,5


i meant "in general", not yet in this game.

and before you think i'm going through my filter, i read it in balla's filter that i just read now that you asked my opinion on him.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 01 2014 19:55 GMT
#185
On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours.
Townie points for the person who first tells why.

~rayn

well because if we find scum then we'll pick his group first, duh

but it's a good thing to just talk about
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 01 2014 19:55 GMT
#186
On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours.
Townie points for the person who first tells why.

~rayn

Stap ignoring me
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 19:56 GMT
#187
On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours.
Townie points for the person who first tells why.

~rayn


It's stupid but people giving reasoning for it is not useless. I think it was a decent starting point.

I'd like to move on though since it really doesn't matter till we see who is scummy/not who is active/not then we can decide based on that.
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 01 2014 19:56 GMT
#188
On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.

dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.

Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum?
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 01 2014 19:57 GMT
#189
On April 02 2014 04:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
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On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?

~rayn

I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town.

I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette).

So what's the problem? Palmar is also perfectly readable, if not to you to many other people. Regardless of if Coag is readable or not your group should be easy to figure out. If you are town why do you want to get yourself "out of the game"?

~rayn

Ups and downs. D2 I'll be a very happy person.

If you are in the "many other people", how does town Palmar differ from scum Palmar? In all my experience with him all I've seen is a monolith
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 01 2014 19:57 GMT
#190
On April 02 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours.
Townie points for the person who first tells why.

~rayn


It's stupid but people giving reasoning for it is not useless. I think it was a decent starting point.

I'd like to move on though since it really doesn't matter till we see who is scummy/not who is active/not then we can decide based on that.

move on too what?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 01 2014 19:57 GMT
#191
On April 02 2014 04:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote:
dunno, i like his activity so far and he seems interested in the game. we also agreed on cell 4 first though apparently for different reasons but i don't mind that because his reasons are alright too.

i'm okay with him for now.

You just said he seems kinda scummy.

~rayn

Prplhz is just a mess of contradictions right now. Likes the scummy balla. Wants some easily readible town group to stay in the game for a long time, agrees that group four is readible and pushes them to get put up to the block first
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 01 2014 19:58 GMT
#192
On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.

dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.

Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum?

I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective.

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 01 2014 19:59 GMT
#193
Okay I get it to now rayn/getmoript. I'm cool with that plan.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 20:00 GMT
#194
On April 02 2014 04:57 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours.
Townie points for the person who first tells why.

~rayn


It's stupid but people giving reasoning for it is not useless. I think it was a decent starting point.

I'd like to move on though since it really doesn't matter till we see who is scummy/not who is active/not then we can decide based on that.

move on too what?


We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?

On April 02 2014 04:24 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:14 Balla24 wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:07 mderg wrote:
On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.

dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.


I more or less agree with this.


What are you agreeing with? There's plenty of stuff in there. Mayors don't matter? Cell4 should go first? Unreadable player cell first?

Is there even a cell here that you consider full of "unreadable players"? Same to you @prplhz.


Everything but Cell 4 going first, since I don´t know that much about the players in this game. This also answers the second question... I don´t know enough about the players to call any of them unreadable but I hope this changes as day1 progresses.


Why did you "more or less agree" if you aren't going to say what you disagree with to start with?
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 01 2014 20:02 GMT
#195
So I've skimmed so far.
Cell 1
Raynpelikonoshi--Very tempted to lynch because I can't read Koshi and I don't think Rayn has called me super town yet
Gumshoe--solid player with alright reads generally but pretty obvious as scum
Steveling--???

Cell 2
Holyflare-scum
Tehpoofter--very good player, still adjusting to forum, low volume poster
mderg--?????

Cell 3
Palmar--strong player
Sentinel--I don't really remember him much
Coagulation--Policy lynch option, both lurkers

Cell 4
Balla24--meh
LSB--meh
Alakaslam--likely scum

Cell 5
Getmoript--clearly town, great at endgame, super stronk townie
prplhz--decent player, generally low volume, scummy first post
Cephiro--solid playler

Rayn I'm having a hard time reading Koshi... Why wouldn't he push himself for mayor on D1/0 whatever it is today?

Like Cell 2 is obviously the best first lynch. HF busses as scum and has ok reads as town. I'd love to policy lynch him and under no circumstances should he ever be allowed to mid-late game. Cell 3 should be the third lynch 100%. Palmar is someone who, for lack of a better lynch, we can lynch and then sheep his reads; I'm tempted to move this up to slot 2 because Palmer tends to get worse as time goes on. Cell 4 should probably be the second lynch though because they're mostly unreadable and I want to lynch Alakaslam so that makes that pretty easy. Cell 1 is clearly next because me and rayn usually click on things and in case town hasn't won by then me and Rayn should easily be able to finish it off or I'll hammer Rayn to win the game for town.
2->4->3->1->5 is clearly the best pattern and me/Cav should 100% be the mayor. Like it's obvious, I refuse to let anyone else be the mayor and will policy lynch anyone who goes against me as mayor.
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 01 2014 20:03 GMT
#196
On April 02 2014 04:57 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote:
dunno, i like his activity so far and he seems interested in the game. we also agreed on cell 4 first though apparently for different reasons but i don't mind that because his reasons are alright too.

i'm okay with him for now.

You just said he seems kinda scummy.

~rayn

Prplhz is just a mess of contradictions right now. Likes the scummy balla. Wants some easily readible town group to stay in the game for a long time, agrees that group four is readible and pushes them to get put up to the block first

"likes scummy balla" already addressed this. you'd rather that LYLO is a bunch of unreadables with questionable scumhunting skills? i never agreed that cell4 is easily readable? i'd like you to point out where i did this.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 01 2014 20:03 GMT
#197
On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:
On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.

dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.

Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum?

I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective.

~rayn

So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die.
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 01 2014 20:06 GMT
#198
Okay looks like we are on a different page. I'm just going to explain what I think Rayn is trying to hint at.

Here is the idea.
Day 1 Lynch is very different from any other lynch because we can actually choose who we want to lynch. We have over two days for analysis, from there we need to determine a trustworthy mayor candidate and an ideal day 1 lynch. We place that group for the day 1 lynch and lynch that player.

The rest of the days we can determine the order through some other sort of metric, I would prefer the one I linked here because it is less subjective http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=9#170
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 01 2014 20:07 GMT
#199
On April 02 2014 05:03 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:
On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.

dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.

Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum?

I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective.

~rayn

So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die.

I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it.
You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever).

But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead.

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 01 2014 20:07 GMT
#200
On April 02 2014 05:00 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:57 prplhz wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours.
Townie points for the person who first tells why.

~rayn


It's stupid but people giving reasoning for it is not useless. I think it was a decent starting point.

I'd like to move on though since it really doesn't matter till we see who is scummy/not who is active/not then we can decide based on that.

move on too what?


We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:24 mderg wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:14 Balla24 wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:07 mderg wrote:
On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.

dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.


I more or less agree with this.


What are you agreeing with? There's plenty of stuff in there. Mayors don't matter? Cell4 should go first? Unreadable player cell first?

Is there even a cell here that you consider full of "unreadable players"? Same to you @prplhz.


Everything but Cell 4 going first, since I don´t know that much about the players in this game. This also answers the second question... I don´t know enough about the players to call any of them unreadable but I hope this changes as day1 progresses.


Why did you "more or less agree" if you aren't going to say what you disagree with to start with?


Good question. I´m not even sure myself,



On April 02 2014 05:02 getmoript wrote:

2->4->3->1->5 is clearly the best pattern and me/Cav should 100% be the mayor. Like it's obvious, I refuse to let anyone else be the mayor and will policy lynch anyone who goes against me as mayor.


Any reason for this?
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