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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 00:40 GMT
#747
N1, I tried for RJ, N2, I tried for Robik.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 00:44 GMT
#749
I will.

Robik is top town for pretty obvious reasons.

OK is top town for same reasons as last time.
On March 30 2014 02:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
OnceKing is currently my top town.
He was the first one to vote me this day, and that creates a lot of attention. I doubt that mafia want that to happen to them.


That leaves Val + LT as mafia team.
LT looks a bit more safe because he kept on telling me to stop talking about doctor last night.
Which leaves you top mafia.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 00:45 GMT
#751
But everything's really by slim margins. If I had to lynch right now, it'd be you.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 00:46 GMT
#752
So here was my thought process.
Eden is the most contributing player currently. He is a prime target for the night kill, but what happens if he gets killed?
1. Robik and I look guilty, because we're the ones most under suspicion by Eden.
2. We lose the most contributing player.
3. He gets confirmed town.

What if RJ gets killed?
1. He gets confirmed town.
2. We lose an analyst.

So logically, Eden was the better save.
But what if Eden is mafia?
Then mafia would probably kill RJ.
But what if RJ was mafia?
Then mafia would possibly kill Eden.

Why? Because Eden's on the wrong track atm, he's chasing town, and mafia knows that, and probably will leave him be, to get a town kill next day.
If neither Eden and RJ are mafia, I thought the kill will be RJ.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 00:52 GMT
#754
On April 01 2014 09:49 Valenius wrote:
I'll take another look in the morning, but my initial impressions are that you're lying out of your ass.

Tolkien, i still want a yes/no as to whether you're doctor.

I understand where you're coming from.
Because I'm the only one who's ever been roleblocked, there's no evidence other than my word that it is setup A.
Which means that even if everyone else says they're not doctor, it doesn't automatically make me doctor.
But you guys will have to believe me.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 01:08 GMT
#757
Okay, after reading through the filters again, I have slightly changed my view.

OnceKing is town.
He's the one who brought up policy first thing.
He's been thinking I'm scum from pretty much Day 1, and he's been asking me questions and pressuring me.


Valenius is mafia.
Due to process of elimination.

LordTolkien is town.
He did the scum trap thingy.
He kept on telling me not to talk about doctor last night.

IAmRobik is mafia.
Due to process of elimination.
And also, normally, he doesn't doubt himself that much, he's really aggressive.
This game, however, he's a bit less than that.
On March 27 2014 06:00 IAmRobik wrote:
What's confusing? I think he's town and i'm prolly just being paranoid that he could be mafia.

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 28 2014 01:05 IAmRobik wrote:
So, I don't remember discussing pixalated at all, so I decided I'm gonna read his filter.

This makes me think that pixalated will be bringing up how he perceives people would play based off of the previous newbie game. Will keep reading his filter and see if he brings any of this up:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 15:58 Pixalated wrote:
Sup guys, first game here.

I did read through a couple of games though (including the previous newbie which some of you played in!) so I should (hopefully) know what I'm doing haha



Pixalated makes a reasonable point here, but he doesn't really take a stance on OK. He's very wishy washy with his "conclusion":
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On March 26 2014 13:02 Pixalated wrote:
I don't see any problem with onceking talking about policy. The thread before he came in was all empty and fluff with people talking about hearthstone and whatnot. He pushed the conversation to something that has some relevance to the game. Sure, talking about policy is a good way for scum to 'contribute' without actually doing much, but it's still better than talking about hearthstone.



I guess I can see how Pixalated would perceive Valenius's post this way, but as I explained, it had to do with the way that he approached OK's lynch all lurkers sentiments. Maybe I was just tunnely regarding OK earlier which was what made me think that this post was towny. But Valenius makes a long post later which I found town, so I'm cool with him anyway:
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On March 26 2014 13:08 Pixalated wrote:
I also don't see why you think Val is town just because he asked onceking to clarify his shit. It was a pretty useless question, it's easy to understand what onceking wanted to achieve with that post - create the atmosphere that no one can lurk and has to post.

But instead all he does is make a rather long post asking about potential situations blabla... When I think that it's pretty clear - if we have a solid read we lynch it, if not we lynch a lurker. Seems like he's trying to be helpful without actually being helpful.



I like that he takes a stance on me here. It's perfectly fine for him to not like me, especially if he thinks that OK is leading town in the right direction...having said that, it's kinda weird too, because he said earlier that it's easy to look like you're contributing without actually contributing if you're talkinga bout policy...so maybe he doesn't exactly agree with OK? idk:
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On March 26 2014 13:47 Pixalated wrote:
I don't like how he cleared both sqrt and val. Already explained why I don't feel that Val's questions make him town, and sqrt posting random stuff doesn't mean much.

What this means about his alignment I'm not sure. Could be mafia trying to get cred by claiming that people are townie and having 'right' reads when they flip.



Pixalated definitely taking stances on people. If LT is mafia, pixalated is almost certainly town for this post:
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On March 26 2014 20:23 Pixalated wrote:
Hey Tolkien, how is Val 'super town in my eyes, he's cleared for me.' He has posted like one post that isn't fluff, and you clear him based off just that? Is that because everyone here is reading him as town for some reason? (I don't see why but okay)

I agree with Eden's post about him. Furthermore from what I remember from reading his previous game (the one he mentioned) he was ALOT more active as compared to this. I will go take a peek at his filter there in abit.

@Tolkien Why am I neutral/slightly scummy? Elaborate please.

Cavalinho doesn't look too good as well.



This is really weird for me. Pixalated casually mentions a scum read on Cavalinho a couple posts earlier, but his main focus is LT. He then makes another 2 posts that have somethign to do with LT and then boom, he votes for Cavalinho, sheeping Eden:

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 20:41 Pixalated wrote:
By the way

##Vote: Cavalinho

I agree with Eden's post here + Show Spoiler +
OK town, so Cavalinho is either terrible at reading comprehension or trying to distort what I'm saying. Let's review.

Again it's not that he said OnceKing's start was weird, it's that he didn't do anything to figure out why it was weird or tell us how it was weird. He asked OK why OK made a post about policy lynching lurkers, OK said it was to get the town out of RVS. That's not weird. Cavalinho didn't bother to respond to him and then kept repeating himself about how weird it was. No explanation as to why or how that's weird, no attempt to develop OK's response, nothing.

His questions didn't have any apparent direction or purpose to them. He asked OK why OK made the post, OK gave a good answer aaaand... Cavalinho drops it like a hot potato. No follow up? Nothing? Why are we supposed to be convinced that OK is weird or scum or whatever when you're just asking questions to ask them and not developing any insights from them? He asserts that he was asking questions because he didn't understand what was going on, but you'll notice that he doesn't acknowledge OK's answer at all. Instead he starts playing reactively, answering OK's questions and then dropping the line of discussion. That's not what people do when they're trying to understand what's going on. He vaguely talks around the issue right before I prodded him, saying that he thinks OK's start was still weird, but that he "[doesn't] have any real reason to think [OK] is mafia" because of his "last accusatory post" (what post is this?) and he "seems townie, getting information and generally being one of those obvious town players" (this doesn't actually say anything about why he doesn't think OK is mafia; we know that he wouldn't think that because he thinks OK seems town, why does he?)

I also happen to think his OMGUS vote is him trying to look innocent because he's aware of his meta (not the post beforehand he noted that Robik townread him in a previous game because he OMGUS'd then), but that can go either way. What's telling is that he fails to develop his vote, he just puts it down and insists it'll be me or him today. That's dumb and not what a town player should be doing.

Cavalinho is my best read for mafia right now.
and I think it sums up very nicely.



So, I think he's letting LT off the hook really quickly here. Nothing that LT said has really answered Pixalated's questions, and if it has, it's as if Pixalated just takes his word for it at face value. I retract my earlier statement that they can't be mafia together.
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On March 26 2014 21:53 Pixalated wrote:
Still prefer a Cav lynch.

I can see what LT means by me posting that on sqrt can constitute as a null read. In fact it matches since his next line is how my points were similar to those already in the thread, and my original point was indeed something that wasn't exactly fresh (Onceking said the same thing) whilst sqrt being a little suspicious (what I said later) wasn't mentioned by anyone else if I recall correctly.

The trap thing is still really bad though, and I agree its really suspicious on how fast he revealed it with only me and you pushing him for it so far. Still it sort of makes sense as town to cut his losses on a bad decision, since I believe it would probably have flowed into cav and sqrt simply ignoring his question, and they wouldn't sheep someone under fire. Still a really bad trap of course, but I can sort of see this as really bad town play. I like your point about the time gap between the 'bait' and 'trap' though, and I think thats my biggest gripe with the entire trap thing.

I think he agured the point that I brought up about the contradiction I pointed out pretty well, makes sense.

Cav on the other hand hasn't done much to redeem himself, and I would like to see more from him. (specifically a GOOD explanation on why he found OK's initial post weird)



I expect him to follow up on this. Will see if he does (same goes for bringing up the previous newbie game, which I haven't seen him do yet)
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2014 01:19 Pixalated wrote:
I need to sleep so ill be going off.

I want to see val and sqrt post more. It has been 18 hours and they haven't done anything of note. Val promised to post something earlier, so I expect to see something when I wake up.



I guess it's a bit hypocritical of me to bring this up, but from everything Pixalated is writing it seems that LT is his biggest scum read (his personal biggest scum read, not the one he sheeped off of Eden), but he refuses to vote him:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2014 09:37 Pixalated wrote:
- The slip in the followup post. I never said anything about whether this is the right or wrong day. Looks to me like lies are piling up on top of lies here.


Why are you dodging answering this? Context: this is point 5 of eden's agurement. Here's your answer to it:

5) You just made a case about my second post being 20 minutes following up my first post. sqrt had 3 and 1/2 hours since VALENIUS posted his question to OK, and 15 minutes to Robik's WTF to OK's post, and had time to make a joke post referencing Robik joking about never being mafia on TL. Perhaps it's just me, but I really dislike that.


Conclusions: Pixalated might be scum here. He kinda takes stances on people, but he keeps flipping back and forth. It seems throughout the day that LT is his biggest scum read, but he ends up just sheeping Eden regarding Cav. He keeps pressuring LT but never ends up voting him.

Another thing that he does, is make statements like "valeniusa nd sqrt need to post more" and "i read the previous game, but he does nothing with those. He doesn't pressure valenius or sqrt to post more, he doesn't call them out for it again, even though they posted a bit after I guess. But like, I'd expect something along the lines of "hey, so and so posted more, and I guess I like what he's said so I'm gonna lean town on him" or something like that, but he doesn't do it. He also doesn't make inferences from the previous game, which I'd assume he's make if he read it. This makes me think that at times he's just posting for the sake of posting.

- his case on Pix
On April 01 2014 07:45 IAmRobik wrote:
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On April 01 2014 07:43 Valenius wrote:
Once / LT - I'd prefer a speedy response from you if possible. It should be early evening for you guys right?

Also, if you're doubting why i'm asking, Robik, you can back me up that it's the right play, right?

If you're doing what I think you're doing, then I approve. Otherwise, I'm kinda nervous about the implications.

Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 01:37 GMT
#760
On April 01 2014 10:18 IAmRobik wrote:
Don't do that to me sqrt.

1) Don't POE me
2) It's not even right
3) I obv doubt myself when my top scum read turns out to be town

Here's an example from Heavyweight Champ game where I was town (link below for reference):

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2014 23:54 IAmRobik wrote:
the end of 42-43 marv/hf interactions reads so fake and so forced it's almost making me reconsider the whole fucking game.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=47#921

Just cause I doubt myself doesn't make me scum. Doubting myself is natural cause I'm town and I need to reevaluate things as new information is brought forward.

Looking at that game's filter, I've reconsidered.
What's POE?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 01:38 GMT
#761
Which do you think it is then? Val + LT? Val + OK? OK + LT?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 01:38 GMT
#762
Right now, I think it's Val + LT.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 02:34 GMT
#766
On April 01 2014 11:26 OnceKing wrote:
"W-well m-m-maybe they KNEW I was m-medic!" Please. If they knew you were medic, why wouldn't they just shoot you? There would be nothing stopping that! In fact the entire situation that Robik is backing your claim suddenly makes it evident this is a poorly thought out gambit by the scum team to try to win ASAP. You two were even RJ's scum reads, so you guys shot him to prevent him from pushing any further -- the logic here is clear and simple unlike your huge mess.

None of your actions match what a real doctor would do -- a real doctor is town and plays like town, not scum (which is what you've played like).

They probably kept me alive for a pretty easy mislynch. Which is where we're headed to.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 03:13 GMT
#768
Night guys.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 15:48 GMT
#775
OK, Val, LT -
One of you are town. Two of you are mafia. (assuming that Robik is town, which I'm willing to go with him till the end)
One of you are making a mistake. Two of you are on the verge of victory.
Reconsider.
#Vote LordTolkien
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 15:51 GMT
#776
On April 01 2014 17:03 Valenius wrote:
As it stands now.

##Vote: sqrtofneg1

Sqrt, why did you try and save robik last night?

Because he seemed like the most logical kill, plus I couldn't save RJ cause I already saved him.
I had OK as my night save for most of the time, and then I switched last hour because Robik has a town reputation, and because he hasn't tunneled me, and if mafia kill him, everyone would mislynch me the next day for an easy win.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 17:16 GMT
#779
The problem is, if the last town doesn't switch over to LT, we lost.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 17:16 GMT
#780
Oh, and what's PoE????
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 17:21 GMT
#784
I'm not.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 17:49 GMT
#785
This:
On March 31 2014 06:16 Valenius wrote:
If town lynch sqrt, and neither him or pix are mafia, we lose.

Makes me think he's town now.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 18:03 GMT
#787
Taking the lead from Val, I have 4 scenarios.

Robik is town
1. Mafia are Val + OK.
2. Mafia are OK + LT.
3. Mafia are Val + LT.

Robik is mafia
4. We lose.

I say it's OK + LT.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 01 2014 23:28 GMT
#798
In the three of you, one of you is town. That person needs to reconsider.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
April 02 2014 00:31 GMT
#799
Here, I think I got it.
Joke stage: LT votes OK because "my renewed ok scum sense is tingling". This is just to get a vote on the other mafia, so that if someone does a vote analysis, it looks better for them.

OK returns the favour later on.
On March 27 2014 06:27 OnceKing wrote:
Yeah actually I agree. I'm not going to wait around for LT to keep dodging the question.
##VOTE: Lord Tolkien.
Come make me move it.



On March 27 2014 04:46 OnceKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2014 04:42 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 27 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
I need LT to respond to Eden's five points, then. I don't and won't presume to speak for him and my estimation that he made an honest mistake might be biased from LII. Valenius seems to have an idea, though. So Valenius, I'd like you to respond to Eden's points too, as well as give your thoughts on Cav/Eden!

Who is your partner and why is it Lord Tolkein?

You're my partner because you're Lord Tolkien!

This is strange.


Also, who were the 2 people who switched onto the Cav wagon last minute to get him lynched?
It was OK and LT. They switched after the cop claim, to get a cop kill.

OK and LT scum team; that's the scum team that makes the most sense, and it's the scum team that only makes sense.
Imaginary
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