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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On April 03 2014 08:14 Vivax wrote: Toad doesn't have a vote. Or maybe kush stole his vote. wat.... What the fuck are you even talking about man.. vivax is like so scum to me it's obvious. read vivax's last towngame it will be obvious to you to. | ||
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thrawn2112
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thrawn2112
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 03 2014 09:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: Here's what I'm getting @ w/ my line of questioning w/ hope. The way he words it sounds like he's saying everyone already received fakeclaims.Well I'm blue and I only received my role. I was not given any fakeclaim. Here he again seems to hint that he already has a fakeclaim: I think he read this from the OP and assumed everyone was given fakeclaims to start the game. I dont hint that I have one, I hint that I knew THIS is exactly where you were going with this line of questioning. It is completely transparent, but trying to claim I dont have a fakeclaim after saying "everyone has fakeclaims" looks stupid, so I had to run "no comment". I should have said "everyone has access to fakeclaims", but I typed that in the moment to point out why rayn's claim is in no way a reliable piece of information. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 01 2014 00:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: You purposefully emulated ur meta from a previous game in order to see if someone would call you scummy for it and not check your previous game? That was your plan to trap scum? And Rayn just happened to do exactly what you were expecting to a tee? As I mentioned, I was looking to see if anyone would go back and check my previous game showing that they were looking at my filter and history trying to draw conclusions. I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not, but Foolishness published a 30 minute video following his thought process when writing a monster post about my behavior as town. This wasn't just any random game that I picked out. rayn, austin, and toad were familiar with this, which is why I chose to use it. You'll notice that when toad mentioned his discussion with Foolishness and then came out as calling me town, I immediately thought he was town as well. I know you suggest that was trying to reproduce my town meta to trick people into thinking that I was town. I can't really say anything to refute that so that's your call. On April 02 2014 13:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: According to kita, his "trap" was that he copied his meta from his previous game and then when rayn decided not do the research to check it out, he decided that rayn was likely mafia. That was pretty much his main point on rayn. Here's a post from Kita AFTER rayn supposedly fell into his "trap": Bamn. There's proof right there that Kita retconned his rayn case. There's absolutely no way to explain how he makes that post based on this rayn case that he made later. First off, at the point where I mentioned that I preferred hopeless vs slam, I thought exactly that. hopeless seemed worse to me than rayn at the moment. It wasn't to say that I thought rayn was town at that point, but I didn't have a strong opinion. I probably hadn't even read his filter by then. What you have to keep in mind is that there was a 14 hour gap between the time I made that comment and the time that I decided that rayn was mafia. While rayn did refuse to do the research by the time of the first post, he hadn't really expressed a strong mafia read on me other than that the web was strange to him. Even in his list post, I wasn't a scum suspect to him. At that point, if he didn't think I was mafia and wanted to use his time elsewhere, so be it. This is what triggered my read on rayn going from nullish to scum: On March 31 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe. On March 31 2014 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: meh maybe poofer is town after all. He has probably the most posts and to a relatively new player it's highly unlike he is scum. At this point, by process of elimination rayn has expressed that I am his number one scum read. On March 31 2014 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: And yes i am trying to find mafia lla the time. At absolutely no point is he providing reasoning for his suspicion, trying to push my lynch, or really following up on his suspicions at all for that matter. Instead he is talking about the third party claim, the guy without any posts, and casually calls me mafia without any push, which isn't what I would expect from him as town. If rayn thinks I'm town and doesn't want to put the time in to do the research to show I'm scum, then fine. If rayn thinks I'm mafia however, and still does nothing about it that's a huge red flag for me and I went after him for it. You don't know how absolutely infuriating it is to spend time putting together a case on a player, wasting time reading tons of past games (and let me tell you, rayn's 30 pages filters are beyond miserable to read, but I did several), and then find out that he martyred himself, flipped town, and then tried to bring you down with him. Anyways, I've wasted enough time defending myself as it is so I really want a chance to start looking at today's lynch. No guarantees that I'll have something tonight, but definitely tomorrow with enough time prior to the lynch. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 03 2014 10:04 kitaman27 wrote: oh god, gumshoe XD yeah i laffed, then just smh for a while. At least it semi confirms kush | ||
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kitaman27
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 03 2014 10:15 kitaman27 wrote: Last thing for tonight....what's Vivax's alignment hopeless? I'm biased...I havent been reading him critically because he's been a pain in my ass in recent memory. If you want me to OMGUS him, I can do that but I dont think it'd be productive. | ||
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Vivax
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kushm4sta
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Vivax
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On April 03 2014 10:49 kushm4sta wrote: vivax why are you interested in kitaman's interest in hopeless' read on you? Cause the question like it is doesn't say anything about what kita thinks or what he wants to achieve with it? | ||
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kushm4sta
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Vivax
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Vivax
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kushm4sta
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 02 2014 13:26 Amiko wrote: It's reasonable, but unhelpful. @austinmcc and @kushm4sta since you are in thread I agree with austinmcc and I'm willing to filter dive a bit to see if I can find something. Would you both let me know whether you agree with JJD's statement above regarding nuke/kitaman27? IF scum gave him the nuke, then it's LIKELY kita isn't scum. Unless we flip a scum nuke-maker, nuke-haver, nuke-giver, it's entirely not a factor in this game. JJD posts on kita ~66/67 read somewhat townie to me. I think he's misrepresenting some things, but arguing consistently, and if he was mafia trying to get a kita mislynch, he SHOULD be throwing in that rayn wanted kita dead and kita was a big factor in lynching rayn. Not always, and that bit assumes that kita would be town and this wouldn't be rando-bus in a partial/wholly conversion game. But I think it's a legit point. The manner in which he's pushing kita does not align with how, in my head, a mafia player would be pushing Kita. Re: Hopeless1der and claiming and fake claims HOLY CRAP NOT A FOCUS. EVERYONE GETS FAKECLAIMS. CROSSFIRE IS THE OPRAH OF FAKECLAIMS. Beyond that even if hopeless is scum and the only scum and we win the game because he doesn't know whether blues got fakeclaims or not, that's a TERRIBLE way for us to win and kind of against the spirit of things. I also think you're misreading his posts, JJD. There are points where Hopeless1der asks is he scum because he won't reveal a fakeclaim, and he's not saying "I have a fakeclaim," he's trying to figure out what YOU are thinking, and whether your actual line of reasoning is "Only scum would fail to reveal fakeclaims, hopeless is failing to reveal a fakeclaim, therefore hopeless is scum." conversion mechanics mean that people aren't town for doing townie things/having townie roles. ANYONE should be shooting someone who claims their role for no apparent reason, because HOLY CRAP WHY WOULD YOU JUST CLAIM A SPECIFIC NAMED ROLE. Town kush, mafia kush, planar dragon kush, should ALL be shooting that guy. If you're town, that dude is scum, he's claiming your role. If you're scum, A GUY JUST CLAIMED YOUR ROLE AND YOU CAN SHOOT HIM IN THE FACE EZPZ WITH GOOD REASONING THAT TOWN WILL BUY AND YOU KNOW HE AIN'T MAFIA. If you're planar dragon, you still shoot him. Probably. Whatever. This is dumb. I've been gone a while and here's some stuff I'm going to do and if I don't do it shortly you should yell at me and call me bad but also still town and still your one, and only, Bird God. - Reread Poofter. Was scummy, then townie, have not focused on since then and need to see if I still get townie vibes - Read Hopeless. There's lots of hopeless stuff going on today. Check earlier read, see where it goes. - Read Amiko. We haven't really been in thread at same time. Read amiko's posts, make a read on him, chat some. - Ask kush wtf is up with this post given the vote timings: On April 01 2014 21:47 kushm4sta wrote: Extra vote came LATE in D1. that vote was a relic from early d1. I didn't even remember about it until poofter just said something. Specifically, the vote occurred at some point between + Show Spoiler + On April 01 2014 05:32 Xatalos wrote: Vote Count raynpelikoneet (6) - Alakaslam (3) - Hopeless1der (1) - kitaman27 (1) - gumshoe (1) - thrawn2112 Tehpoofter (1) - austinmcc JarJarDrinks (0) - thrawn2112 (0) - Toadesstern (0) - Not Voting (1) - gumshoe Currently raynpelikoneet is set to be lynched! Day ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). On April 01 2014 06:07 Crossfire99 wrote: Vote Count raynpelikoneet (6) - Alakaslam (3) - Hopeless1der (0) - kitaman27 (0) - gumshoe (3) - Tehpoofter (1) - austinmcc JarJarDrinks (0) - thrawn2112 (0) - Toadesstern (0) - Not Voting (1) - gumshoe raynpelikoneet is lynched! Let me know if I made a mistake or anything. but kush was not actively posting in the thread at all during that time. This confuses me and angers me. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
You claim it was a relic from early, but it didn't appear until late, and you weren't around when it appeared. I've never heard of any kind of delayed vote. And while townies lie about crap and try to hide roles and do silly things LIKE CLAIMING NAMED PEOPLE WHEN THEY AREN'T THAT PERSON FOR NO REASON, the timing is a weird thing to lie about. | ||
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