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kitaman27
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On April 06 2014 12:29 Vivax wrote:
Also a lot of people had brought arguments as to why I'm town, you only seem to try and bring arguments as to why I'm scum. I would love to respond to the points you make in your post but last time I did that you simply skipped my defense, also you keep not asking me stuff which again looks scummy to me.
I'm in the thread and always willing to discuss stuff with you if you're willing to not simply skip on my replies to attach on something else.
To be completely honest, trying to convince your scum read that they are scum never accomplishes anything.
If there is a specific point that you need me to examine let me know. I do see things that would make it possible that you are town. Right now, the mafia sided things outweigh it, but I haven't decided 100% without a doubt you need to die today.
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kitaman27
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I do have to say that I'm incredibly relieved that I died in Catastrophe XD
To all those still alive and active in both, you guys are crazy.
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kitaman27
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On April 06 2014 14:04 Amiko wrote:
My concern is this - we don’t know exactly how conversions happen. We’ve speculated (maybe it happens odd nights?) but I think the only sure thing is that it happens at night (based on rayn’s role PM). If I nuke during the day, the nuke may kill someone who could have converted. Maybe not, I don’t know if converted people can convert or what. Also, I’d kind of like to hold other players to the same standard as me: if the other VTs get nukes tomorrow, I think I want to be able to require that they shoot during the day.
I'd say hold off considering you will need to fire within the next few hours to make the deadline. Nobody is going to be around to post and personally, I'd like the opportunity to look at a few other people before suggesting the nuke target. Lynch will also give us clues so we would be able to make a more informed decision. The only thing I'd be worried about is a roleblock, but if austin roleblocks me, I roleblock vivax and vivax roleblocks austin, then we can ensure that nothing sketchy happens.
"Each night you may to chose to protect someone by PMing that person’s name to all the hosts, and that person will be unable to be converted to an alignment different than his current alignment. If you successfully prevent someone from being converted, you will die protecting them."
Rayn's role makes it sound as if the conversions are a night action, so you likely wouldn't need to worry about it if you fired it at the start of the night. There may be a chance that you get converted after shooting a scum, which would kinda suck though 
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kitaman27
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[QUOTE]On April 06 2014 15:02 Vivax wrote:
For all I care you can nuke hopeless. You should cause I won't be following kita's plan and lose the last chance to see if I can offensive jail. Kita's plan is useless anyway cause if one of us is scum he simply doesn't follow it and next day scum has won.[QUOTE]
That doesn't make sense. If one of us is scum, they would be roleblocked by the other town player and unable to follow through with their protect anyways.
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kitaman27
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So I just took a look at kush.
On day one, he seems fairly townie to me. He pushes against the slam d1 lynch before the rayn lynch has been established and seems to be looking for scum slips.
Once day two arrives, I start to have more issues. He starts defending me as if he knows that I'm town.
On April 02 2014 13:49 kushm4sta wrote:
2 if you look at kita's case, he is quite open about having doubts that rayn is scum, and he points out things about rayn that look townie.
This post seems scummy to me, because while it's true that I shared doubts about rayn, he automatically assumes that its for townie reasons, rather than me simply trying to hedge my bets and look better when rayn flips town.
Take a look at how his views on Vivax evolve:
On April 04 2014 01:32 kushm4sta wrote:
##Vote Vivax
^that's what i think about your defense.
On April 04 2014 01:36 kushm4sta wrote:
Vivax you have been subtly pushing the idea that I'm scum for a very long time. Also the idea that I will probably become scum in the future. Here you are trying to discredit my claim in a way that makes absolutely no sense.
On April 04 2014 07:12 kushm4sta wrote:
austin you have a townread on vivax?
On April 04 2014 07:19 kushm4sta wrote:
Vivax - probably town
He goes from wanting to lynch Vivax on day two because of a bad defense, to asking austin about the read, to suddenly going to probably town because he "overestimated what his town games look like". What happened to the "terrible" defense that Vivax gave on day two that caused kush to vote him? He uses a minor point, while ignoring the bigger one, to justify a huge swing in reads, which seems scummy to me.
On April 06 2014 10:02 kushm4sta wrote:
also you realize im mother fucking river song right?
This post is pretty scummy as well. When austin posts his case, rather than responding to anything he posts, he pushes the idea that a town sounding role can't possibly be mafia.
On April 06 2014 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:
i feel like half of this game has already been converted and everyone is mafia conspiring against me.
He then posts a 1 liner about the case and then this, after which he disappears from the thread. He has a green check on me, yet he puts absolutely no effort into commenting on my case or even acknowledging that it exists. If I had a player I knew for a fact was town, I'd at least listen to what he has to say.
Finally, his justification to waste the dt check on me is incredibly scummy.
On April 05 2014 18:37 kushm4sta wrote:
he says townie shit d1. he doesn't say townie shit for the rest of the game.
He says that his read on me has changed from d1, yet on night two I'm "hella town". There isn't any indication that he is suspicious of me prior to changing his read.
On April 02 2014 13:40 kushm4sta wrote:
But in actuality, if kita were scum, he probably wouldn't have said that at all because he would be extra careful not to reveal he has too much information.
On April 05 2014 18:45 kushm4sta wrote:
cause rayn had a power role directly relating to conversions. So does kita probably since he mentioned conversions d1.
One of the reasons he justifies checking me is my knowledge of conversions. On day one he mentioned that I would be careful to not reveal the setup and now on day three he wants to check because because I have setup knowledge again? If he is refering to the fact that I'm a likely conversion target and not the setup knowledge, how could he possibly think that? rayn martyred himself to ensure my death and 75% of the players have a scum read on me going into day three. How could he possibly justify that I've been converted over the players that everyone thought I was town? If he thought I was mafia from the start, that would be one thing, but the number one conversion target makes no sense.
On April 04 2014 07:19 kushm4sta wrote:
kitaman27 - hella town
thrawn2112 - possible scum
Amiko - possible scum
Tehpoofter - possible scum
On April 05 2014 18:23 kushm4sta wrote:
ok so i just read kita. d1 is really townie but then his activity falls off a lot. I wasn't really thinking about scum that could have been converted but yeah both kita and tehpoof look like possible conversions.
I'm checking kita.
The people on this list are who would I would be especially suspicious of if we were to lynch him and he flipped mafia. Originally, I assumed kush was probably town for just town checking me to save me from a lynch. What I'm thinking now is that he didn't have a choice with the nuke in play. If he fake claimed and had a red check, then he would essentially be trading himself 1 for 1 with me at night and confirming amiko as town for nuking him. It's possible that someone like thrawn or tehpoof is his scum buddy and checking them would force him to either lie about the check or bus a scum buddy. This is especially dangerous in a situation with a nuke. If his check is ever revealed to be false, both himself and his check go down together.
I think kush may have been a possible conversion target. He is never shot by mafia and usually makes it pretty far because people just ignore him. Scum may have wanted to acquire his day vig ability, not realizing that it was 1-shot on night two. I need to look if a kush/vivax pair makes sense. If it does, then we might have a chance this game after all. If the pair doesn't make sense and I had to choose between the two, I'm not sure who I would go with yet. At least Vivax has the fact that he is active and cares about the game going for him. kush on the other hand is just observing at this point.
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kitaman27
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On April 03 2014 04:37 Vivax wrote:
Kush just to be sure, do you think revealing the details of your role could benefit scum? If not, please post details.
On April 03 2014 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Fuck's sake. Kush, is it a 1-shot-ability?
On April 03 2014 05:06 Vivax wrote:
Kush u genius say it's one-shot -.-
This exchange seems really natural. I don't think this is something that you rehearse in the qt, because kush seems that he doesn't have a clue what Vivax is getting at.
On April 03 2014 08:14 Vivax wrote:
Or maybe kush stole his vote.
He also doesn't seem to have knowledge of kush's role here.
On April 04 2014 01:32 kushm4sta wrote:
##vote vivax
On April 04 2014 01:32 kushm4sta wrote:
^that's what i think about your defense.
I know kush likes to bus scum buddies, but his vote really opened the opportunity for a lynch if people agreed with my original case.
The one thing that I do think is fishy is his sudden change of read on Vivax from scum -> town without a real explanation. Today he hasn't even really considered him at a point that could possibly be LYLO.
Based on my gut and that first exchange between the two, I'd say they probably aren't scum buddies together. Bah, gotta think about this now. I guess I'll try to see who would be likely kush buddies and likely vivax buddies and then go with whatever group seems more likely. I still want to read hope one more time because he is definitely being overlooked right now.
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With the crazy number of town power roles this game, I think a 2 man mafia team is pretty much out of the question, which would mean we're likely dealing with 3-4 (probably 3 since survivor is also in play). Having 1 scum at the start of the game doesn't make a lot of sense since if they get lynched d1, then the game ends and that's kinda lame. Maybe the conversion role is only one shot?
Another thing that kush has against him vs vivax is that I'm inclinded to believe both of his jailkeeper actions. We know he jailed you night two for sure, so a night one jail is also likely. kush on the other hand doesn't have verifiable night actions, though I actually think a conversion makes more sense for kush than original mafia.
If you had to come up with a team for kush, Y, and Z and vivax, Y, and Z who would it be?
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kitaman27
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lol I'm actually incredibly paranoid that you were a conversion target, but if that's the case then I think this game might be a lost cause XD
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kitaman27
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On April 07 2014 01:55 Amiko wrote:
@kitaman27: I am going through your comments, if you have time while I read please answer this:
What do you think of the possibility that scum has a driver?
You mention it briefly as a possibility with regard to verifiable night actions/
I have followup question(s) after that.
It could definitely be possible. With so many power roles out there, I would think they would need at least some way to deal with them. As far as I can think, we haven't had any wacky night actions results though. All the claims seem to line up with actually happened so far.
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kitaman27
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On April 07 2014 02:14 Amiko wrote:
I thought I finished that sentence.
I was saying maybe kita is a busdriver because Dr. Who takes the kids to the amusement park, but that's just whoknows lore speculation.
If I'm a busdriver, do you not believe my explanation of tracking djo?
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kitaman27
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I'm going to throw my vote down on kush because he isn't even playing at this point. If vivax turns out to be mafia, I'm going to have to smash up my other foot too. Heading out for an hour or two.
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kitaman27
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On April 07 2014 04:02 Tehpoofter wrote:
##Vote: Kushm4sta
Its time to pick a side and kush's role seems too good to be town.
Saving this post for later.
Out of all the reasons to want to lynch kush, his role being "too good to be town" is a really weak way to jump on the wagon.
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kitaman27
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On April 07 2014 04:06 kushm4sta wrote:it's okay. my army of cyberzombies will kill you all 
Does suppose you wanna tell us more?
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kitaman27
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Cool. I'm going to reread kush to see if I can find any weird connections.
I wonder if all the mafia roles are cybermen related and the townie sounding ones are fake claims? So I guess this means he was original scum and not converted after all?
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kitaman27
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On April 07 2014 07:45 Vivax wrote:
What imo is a strong indicator of kita being mafia is that scum shot Djo knowing that me and hopeless were both blue (if hope isn't scum), they would never take such a risk of not shooting a claimed blue without already KNOWING Djo was inventor, and inventor is clearly a much better role than a claimed JK or such a watcher.
Then explain why I wouldn't roleblock djo knowing that he was the inventor and protected austin instead? That's essentially a free nuke or dt check added to the game because I was feeling generous?
Djo claimed blue early on in the game so it's only a process of elimination to figure out his identity.
I'm also on the nuke tp bandwagon. He jumps on kush for a weak reason, he has a vanilla role which is likely fake and kush chose not to check him even though he was his strongest scum read. Instead, he checked the player he claimed to have a town read on for most of the game.
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kitaman27
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I don't think I understand what you're getting at.
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kitaman27
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Wait, so lets get this straight, the scum team is myself, kush, and hopeless.
"So the plan was this: Your roleblocker 1 roleblocks me, roleblocker 2 (kita) roleblocks Djo. "
So who is our mysterious roleblocker? Are you saying it was 4v4 yesterday? You just said 4v4 was unreasonable a few moments ago?
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kitaman27
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On April 07 2014 11:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Wait, so lets get this straight, the scum team is myself, kush, and hopeless.
"So the plan was this: Your roleblocker 1 roleblocks me, roleblocker 2 (kita) roleblocks Djo. "
So who is our mysterious roleblocker? Are you saying it was 4v4 yesterday? You just said 4v4 was unreasonable a few moments ago? Hopeless can have additional powers he simply didn't claim.
So he just decided to guess that nobody else visited austin hoping that he wouldn't get caught in a lie? Or are you saying he performed two actions at once?
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kitaman27
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Like this is the scummy behavior from you vivax that got me so worried yesterday in the first place. It makes me really nervous that you come to a conclusion without thinking things out.
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