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On March 12 2014 10:41 kushm4sta wrote: making mspaint every day seems like too much | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/B5VgIxql.png?1) The Dr. is me. Dr. Giggletummy | ||
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On March 13 2014 09:29 Keirathi wrote: Maybe i've caught whatever illness the titanic has for this game. You don't know me!I think you need to quit skipping arm and neck day at the gym. | ||
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On March 13 2014 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote: The healthy life of the wife is ended by the knife.yea, he's a doctor! I think he knows a thing or two about leading a healthy life. #doctored Everyone reads III as ill though, yes? | ||
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On March 13 2014 11:25 Alakaslam wrote: May you produce many widgets, alakMeans if I don't double my output I will be fired, or, (more accurately) HR is telling the owner to fire me and he is trying to give me a chance. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sUATQwB.png?1) HF, do you believe, right now, that DP is mafia? | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:44 Koshi wrote: replying for reasonsI didn't like your early posting. I didn't like the non committal stuff. I didn't like the defensive attitude of other posts. I was reading the thread and I was actually looking at your posts strangely and then people put pressure on you and I simply +1 on everything. because I felt that needed to be done and they had a point. Out of everybody I really believe you had a really weak-ass start and I gave you a scummy point. The point is already put down and cannot be erased. -Koshi his judgement- | ||
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On March 19 2014 09:00 Palmar wrote: Let's flash the HF symbol in the skyI also want to talk to Flare pls respond  ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2IqG832.png?1) On March 19 2014 09:01 Koshi wrote: I do not enjoy it and have started "heavily skimming" all coag <--> rayn stuff.Do you enjoy reading the Coag discussion? What is your opinion on it? rayn looks worse for it, because rayn can be useful when he's bouncing all the walls and accusing everyone of being mafia. I assume that I'm not the only one who is now "heavily skimming" his posts when they involve coag and coag things. I don't actually follow who coag is this game (coag, coag/kush, coag/kush + more?). But he's posting a bunch so even if it's this fight with rayn that makes me happy. Double standard ftw | ||
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On March 19 2014 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: more of this, less on coagGiggleTummy is also mafia. | ||
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On March 19 2014 09:16 Holyflare wrote: I have been summoneeddzzzz On March 19 2014 08:38 Giggletummy wrote: HF, do you believe, right now, that DP is mafia? | ||
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On March 19 2014 09:35 Holyflare wrote: Around this time DP was super duper adament about questioning people with "what do you think of holyflare's posting about me and hopeless", look what happened. NOTHING came to fruition with that. He liked coag's posts and then rayn pointed his case out about coag and DP dropped everything to do with me, everything he liked about coag's posts and then was like IM TOTALLY RIGHT OMG YES SO GUD. Which is quite a small piece of that whole. Therefore - ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WIVBsCY.png?1) Specific reasoning inc | ||
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Step 1: Original posts on DP + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 06:40 Holyflare wrote: I have a theory. DP thinks this game is scum favoured. DP likes keeping his town ratio up. DP requests scum so as not to lose town win ratio. DP is scum. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/poLOdtj.png) On March 19 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote: and here is the proof: Insta votes the coag hydra even though he has categorically stated that they are op as town and crap at scum, follows through with a shit policy when even in previous games he states: (witchcraft as town) and doesn't try and find the alignment of the hydra! Has 1 page of filter already and it says nothing compared to most of the start to his games! gg 1 scum down First bit is trolly. The last couple posts are either intending to draw a reaction from DP, start the game rolling, all that good jazz (townie), or are bad reasons to call someone mafia. Asstons of people push RNG lynch and never do it. People talk policy and never do it. People say LAL and never do it. People call for policy lynches or not policy lynches of specific players all the time and never do either. Nobody, nobody is mafia for the specific reason that they think hydras are good as town and bad as scum but then votes to lynch them, in opposition to what is basically a one-liner in another game with a stupid policy comment. So either he's trying to draw reactions or he's got really questionable logic. Step 2: Flare pushes forward + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 07:01 Holyflare wrote: 2nd scum found! Follows the theory presented by Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney! but refuses to acknowledge that it happened and wants to frame town member Holyflare as the culprit! Inexcusable scum behaviour. Who is our day 3 lynch? On March 19 2014 07:08 Holyflare wrote: How does that apply here at all? In that regard I am thus bussing DP because that's what I do in my scum games. Therefore the case is in fact not horrible and you should sheep it. If I am town, I am generally correct and thus in fact you should sheep it. Either way, painting me in a negative light based on 1 game (whereas dp has stated anti policy things in numerous games, check the DB and past game filters) but still does it here. Furthermore, his overdefensive nature was seen very heavily in vengeful where he went full blow retard overreaction. This game is a much toned down version of that but still defensive because he doesn't like being critiqued. It is easy to find scum DP and I have done it. Follow me. Oh scummy number 2. On March 19 2014 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Read the last few posts of DP's. "Hmm Holyflare did this as scum.. Hmm, Holyflare did this as town! Hmm, it's best to just let him post and it's pretty straightfoward! Hmmmmm..... maybe Holyflare is scum" wtf is that? There's no strong entry questioning a lot of logic, there's no pointing out errors there's nothing.. just pointless wifom, interesting that you liked that weak as hell post though Palmar. On March 19 2014 07:26 Holyflare wrote: joy? Nothing really, he gets angry as both alignments sure. Yet, to push him slightly and get those overly defensive posts at the same time as spreading useless posts is actually hinting more at a scum alignment to DP. It's like trying to troll while spreading doubt and when he gets called out on things it's "oh but it was just a joke see?". I don't think it looked too jokey, or more - too trying to be jokey with a hint of truth than anything. Look at his opening in town games, it's always inquisitive, questioning, pushing! Here, it is not. On March 19 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote: But koshi that is overdefensive. He should know people are wrong about him and realise they are making up shit and then people idly sheeping look scummy as hell but the over paranoia of everyone thinking you are scum is scummy though. Flare still has DP mafia, and makes a good point about overdefensiveness after being called out. If he was fishing for reactions/trying to get game rolling, he hit something and ran with it. Keep that in mind. However, the hopeless bit here is poop soup. In response to hopeless not jumping to vote DP and noting that Flare bussed a teammates in Cultured, Flare argues that hopeless is also mafia because, essentially, if Flare was town he's had good reads in the past and therefore must be right on DP, and if Flare is scum then he's got to be bussing DP. Either way, DP is scum, and so Hopeless should be agreeing with Flare, or at least voting DP - it's a good read or a bus. The poop soupy part is that this statement is based on that idea that bussing one guy in one game = always bus never not bus. I have never seen anyone do that. Seriously look at this. Flare calls hopeless mafia based on reasoning that says "you said I bussed a guy one time, therefore you should be thinking I always and only bus teammates, and so my target has to be scum." Again, either Flare is doubling down and really trying to draw out reactions from more people now or he's got really really really really really questionable logic. Step 3: Followup I'm not, ya big dingus. I asked Flare for his current thoughts about DP because, again, I don't know what Flare's agenda is early. That's why I wanted a current read. I expect either: (1) I was fishing for a reaction. I got a scummy one. Therefore, DP is scum. He's done some stuff since, but I don't care, original reasons stand. (See this post, which is why I marked it - + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 08:44 Koshi wrote: I didn't like your early posting. I didn't like the non committal stuff. I didn't like the defensive attitude of other posts. I was reading the thread and I was actually looking at your posts strangely and then people put pressure on you and I simply +1 on everything. because I felt that needed to be done and they had a point. Out of everybody I really believe you had a really weak-ass start and I gave you a scummy point. The point is already put down and cannot be erased. -Koshi his judgement- (2) I thought he was scummy at the start, then he's done x and y, so now I've altered my read a little bit. Shows Flare thinking about the thread, actually updating his read with whatever DP does, generally trying to figure out someone's alignment without knowing it. (3) Tunnel city without going back and discussing fishing/whatever. Think of Flare's suspicion of DP as a building that Flare is constructing. Flare built one good story of the building up high, noting that DP never followed up the hopeless questions. But the bottom of the building was constructed poorly, it doesn't bear the weight of the top. His initial DP suspicion is for a strange policy/hydra reason that I don't think has anything to do with alignments. He added a suspicion of hopeless based off the idea that hopeless should be thinking that Flare busses everyone always. He built his early game out of bad suspicions. When Flare returned to thread with nothing but more reasons why DP is mafia and only mafia, it showed me that he was just piling on and on, building off this very early suspicion that shouldn't have been legitimate. The fact that I think the bit about DP never following on hopeless questions is immaterial to a read on Flare. Whether Flare is town or mafia, he needs to be finding things that DP has done that are scummy to push his read. It's not like mafia Flare would only be presenting crappy reasons, he has to find something decent to push. | ||
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On March 19 2014 13:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can you say that a case/read starting off from:Actually Holyflare's case on Hopeless is really good. I think Hopeless is mafia. He in fact DID reference to the scooby-doo game where Holyflare was town, he used the exact wording so he has read the game. Then he gives another example fully knowing Holyflare has done the same thing as both alignments and therefore his "case" (or accusation, i don't even know what the hell that is) is an outright lie. Hopeless is mafia, Holyflare is town. If I'm town I'm awesome so lynch my couple hours into D1 target If I'm mafia, you know I bus, so lynch my target a good case? I think you're failing to look at the whole. Still reading, but please give thoughts, specifically, on that initial post from Flare. | ||
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hopeless, do you tend to AFK or lurk as mafia? More than town games? Flare, after hopeless answers, do you agree with hopeless's answer? I see you calling out what town/scum DP does, what other people do, but if hopeless is actually known for being lurky/AFK as mafia, why would you not just wait for a clear scumtell in a little bit? | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote: Nuh uh. Earlier was the time to say "those were troll posts."-.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- it's NOTHING to do with that "case" because those posts were troll posts, he's referencing the scooby doo game that YOU were in and I was town but using another game where I did the same thing as scum as his point to use against me without mentioning i did it as town in really small! I'm also not buying that you start the game trolling, choose two people to troll, and they both just so happen to be mafia and you're gonna tunnel tunnel tunnel. | ||
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but you're discounting other reasons to think someone is scum, like bad trolling or making a bunch of reads based on bad bad bad logic | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand this.The point about Scooby doo is that there is no fucking reason for Hopeless to bring up the Cultured argument in thread in the first place if he does not think it makes Holyflare mafia and the argument is either forged as fuck or totally incorrect and Hopeless is the laziest guy on the planet because he does not even bother to to check the validity of his arguments. Neither of the options makes any sense from town perspective!! | ||
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On March 20 2014 01:04 Holyflare wrote: You're wrong on the turning point of why I think you're mafia. The early trolling can be a townie trying to draw reactions and get reads or it can be someone just trying to appear like they're contributing and doing that. It's the followup that matters, and figuring out which you were doing.you think someone says sheep me because i'm bussing or right as a legitimate "case"? because that's what giggletummy is saying i'm doing | ||
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On March 20 2014 01:16 Holyflare wrote: I think that the entirety of this scooby doo thing is clogging the thread and is not helpful to anyone. People who continue to argue about it should be lynched or shot. well i'm not because the entirety of your point on me on hopeless is about the poop soup "case" on him about bussing? when in fact the real case was that he mentioned a game where I did something as town but only used the game where I did it as scum as a reason for calling me scum you have also failed to answer my questions, why is your gameplay so much more different here than it is in really small mafia? you had to ask so many questions and be pushed so much to vote or be convinced on someone that was very scummy and even then you were asking them questions. Right off the bat here you are making accusations and putting down votes without doing any of the inquisitive things you were doing in really small mafia As far as meta, that game was instant majority where 4 votes got someone lynched. There are other reasons, but the two setups are wildly different. | ||
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On March 19 2014 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: coag as mafia not only doesn't post but he doesn't even interact with the thread. There's some old game where he replaces in as mafia and essentially just made 1-2 posts a day, sometimes claiming not to know when lynch is or what day it is. coag posting a bunch and getting incensed is unlike that and more likely town coag. am i the only person who didn't know early on that coag was actually a boatload of people on his account? Well this is pretty fucking annoying because i think this too. I have no idea what am i missing here because the Coag situation actually does affect to my reads. I don't think anyone should have had a townread on him and if they say "because he posted so much" is not a reliable tell considering they were something like 5-headed hydra. I have no idea why someone thought Coag was town at that point and if that's the case and it was reasonable to assume he was town please someone tell me why. | ||
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On March 20 2014 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stop misrepresenting crap and stop believing that people can only be thinking one or two things. yeah, i'm absolutely saying you looked bad for just arguing and arguing with coag. it didn't go anywhere, it didn't help the thread, and it just spammed useless pages. just like all this scooby doo stuff. So you did not read the thread at all or you are making shit up now. You are saying you had a scumread on me based on my interactions with Coag but this post clearly shows you have not even read my posts or the thread at all because there are multiple times i / other people reference to Coag as multiple people and even ask which head of the hydra was posting. as far as coag, every reference i saw was to coag or kush. people asking which they were talking to. there's a big difference between coag being "a hydra" and asking "which head was posting" versus "hi i am coag and kush and also some other people that never got revealed" | ||
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On March 20 2014 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can you say someone "looks bad for their interactions with someone else" when you have not even read the interactions or the thread?? I can quote 20 posts where it's really clear Coag is hydra for anyone who has read the thread. am i the only person who didn't know early on that coag was actually a boatload of people on his account? there are a bunch of people who go "that post must have come from kush" or kush saying "yes this is me." If you point out 20 posts where coag says "i am a ton of people and you don't know us" before my comments on you and coag, be my guest. | ||
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On March 20 2014 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: it absolutely does mean something. kush signs some posts, coag signs some posts by calling out kush, when the hydra is just kush and coag, coag is identifiable as both coag and "not-kush". when there are way more people, "not-kush" doesn't matter and also Fuck you, you literally just said this: It doesn't mean shit if there is one or a thousand people with him on the account. The fact that there is even one other person makes your argument invalid. On March 20 2014 01:47 Holyflare wrote: not actually futile. coag's identity is actually wrapped up in rayn's reads.talking about futile conversations, goes on to talk about even more futile conversations! who do you actually think is mafia? if you disregard me because I am actually town and other people actually see that, what does that leave you with? On March 20 2014 01:50 Palmar wrote: planned on actually posting my case. Not gonna go, "next time on giggletummy posts a case, we took a look at holyflare's reasoning in post 458 and you'll be shocked at what we discovered!" Giggle, why did you not post even a summary or a hint of your thoughts on holyflare before leaving the thread last night? All you left was one quote from HF you "liked" I'm not even sure if that's meant to say you think it was a legit or a sarcastic "like". On March 20 2014 01:55 Hopeless1der wrote: followup is in Flare case. if flare's response was like that, "my read on DP is that he did this thing, got a scummy point, he's scum, who cares what he's done since," then I would have found it townie. it would show that his bad reasoning early on was likely fishing for reactions because the reaction really mattered to him. No good answer atm. I wouldnt lynch Holy but I dont like him much. Giggles: I want this followup | ||
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On March 21 2014 00:38 Holyflare wrote: I'm fine with vivax. What you guys are missing is a particular reason for him to lie, nobody just lies without an agenda. Vivax calls me mafia early, then decides to backtrack and call me town. I think mafia was comfortable with the number of votes on me and me being so absent, figured I was an ezpz lynch, and wanted to slip off me. I have not looked for other players that did this same thing, but it's worth checking into.Also, I altered HF's post above. Here is why. VE is mafia. (1) I checked into the votes on me, will post more about that in a sec. VE's was the one I liked least. VE votes me without having read my filter - + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2014 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jkuWEdg.png) On March 20 2014 04:34 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not even in the game. Look, I'm not at computer right now, but when I get to one I'll take a look at GT's filter and give MY OWN reasoning for wanting to lynch him. I'm down with the lynch because I'm presuming you and rayn are town and you both feel strongly and there was some weirdness I don't recall right now earlier on so let's do it. I have NOT read his filter, so I'll do that and then give an actual read on him in a bit. Fair? Not a fan of this. I don't have a giant filter. He's read rayn and palmar and other players to know that he thinks they are town, or just the thread in general, but he hasn't looked at my filter, yet votes me. The specific reasoning he provides is misrepresenting my posts in a really scummy light. On March 20 2014 05:48 VisceraEyes wrote: There was a big argument in thread about whether I can call something useless and still use it as part of a read, but that misses the real point.The reason I want to lynch Giggletummy is that he claims that the whole scooby-doo nonsense is not productive to the thread, but the fact of the matter is that it had to do with something about /this/ game - primarily Holyflare's read on Hopeless - so the point actually /is/ relevant to this game. That he's calling it "not productive" indicates to me that he's either scum trying to buy credibility later if/when Hopeless flips town or scum trying to deflect off of a scumbuddy in this situation. There's a possibility that he's just tunneled in on Holyflare if he's town, but judging from his posts to and about Holyflare I don't see this as possible. Hell in his case on Holyflare he never even says he thinks Holyflare is scum - just does a play by play of the whole Holy/DP scenario and gives a non-conclusion. I think Giggletummy is the lynch today guys, and I like both rayn and Palmar who are both on GT for different reasons. My reason is the best reason though and everyone should vote for GT. Nobody seems to have gone back and read my filter and those pages. Here is my actual post: On March 20 2014 01:28 Giggletummy wrote: Here is the part referencedI think that the entirety of this scooby doo thing is clogging the thread and is not helpful to anyone. People who continue to argue about it should be lynched or shot. As far as meta, that game was instant majority where 4 votes got someone lynched. There are other reasons, but the two setups are wildly different. I think that the entirety of this scooby doo thing is clogging the thread and is not helpful to anyone. People who continue to argue about it should be lynched or shot. That post is on pg 63, "the entirety of this scooby doo thing" and why is it bad? Clogging the thread, not helpful. Read pages 61, 62, 63, and further if you'd like. This is when things really picked up with hopeless/HF/rayn and who had read what game, when things were said, etc. If you believe those pages are productive to the thread, easy to read, led to solid reads on people, then we are not reading the same thread. Not even the people posting were speaking the same language, half the problems were because of misunderstandings or expectations about who read what scooby doo sections and what the term "scooby doo" means. Go read those pages. Read my post. Read VE's reasoning. VE was happy to sheep earlier and vote me without reading. But when asked for specific reasoning as to the sheeping, who he agreed with, he gave his own reasoning that super misrepresents my post there. Those pages of scooby doo stuff were not productive, they were incredibly confusing for all parties. Anyone who can make perfect sense of 61-63, be my guest. (2) This is associative, and only worthwhile if Vivax flips mafia Search VE's filter for vivax. VE gets asked by rayn about tehpoofter. Responds here, first mention of Vivax - + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2014 03:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm going to give you my thoughts on his entire filter because he has one and I can. His intro post is odd because on the one hand it gives "content" which he then needs to explain if asked, but on the other hand it's content that is easily dismissable because A) it's so early and no one has done anything and B) the reasoning he gives is so nebulous and largely non-alignment-indicative that it can pretty much just be taken for what it is - an MSPaint drawing in a forum game. But he /does/ give reasoning so meh. The weird part is where he states explicitly that he doesn't have a read on me, that he's pinging for a reaction and that you can ignore it. Like, okay fine. So he was pinging me. But I have to wonder. What is he expecting from me that I must be scum because I'm not already tearing it up. After all, I'm among the first people in the thread in spite of my early disappearance. I was the first to Paint a Painting. THAT early in the game, I'd say most of that stuff is more town-indicative than scum-indicative. Anyway moving on, he then interjects into the HF-DP discussion to ask HF if DP's read makes him scum, in a way that seems like he's on the DP-town side of things. This is...fine to me. He doesn't ask in a way that makes you think HF looks worse, he feels like he thinks HF and DP are BOTH town, which I sort of agree with. And he then pockets Vivax hard. Not sure if intentional, but Vivax has said some townie things and I agree that he looks town, so he may have just been overstating it or whatever. Ultimately I think Banks is PROOOOBABLY town. I just agree with a couple of the things he's saying in what he's not saying, and in spite of him consistently calling me scum I think he's probably town. Then we get VE's little list: On March 20 2014 03:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Just so we're clear, I'm going AFK again for a while but will return in several hours. Here's where I stand right now: Hopeless1der, Giggletummy, Djodref, thrawn <----------- would maybe lynch possibly. HF, DP, Vivax, Palmar, rayn, tehpoofter, Oats, Koshi <----------- don't even ask - won't do it today. and when asked about Vivax On March 20 2014 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote: His thought process in his intro post seemed fairly logical, and to come from a townie. He wanted explanations based on his observation of a situation he described, explained why he thought it was more likely to come from scum and that was it. He also seems to have followed up with a read after he got what he was after. Vivax is on VE's don't even ask list, and when questioned as to why, he knows exactly what Vivax has posted. This is at the same time he drops a vote on me without reading my filter. VE is intimately familiar with Vivax's posting, but has not read the (short) filter of the guy he votes for. Why is VE so concerned with Vivax's filter? Because scumbuddies VE is oddly townie on Vivax, he's straight up do-not-ask, but can't provide a specific anything as to why in either explanation. | ||
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Besides the early stuff that nobody likes, some more specific items. Holyflare loves comparisons to past games, meta, catching people because they aren't playing like they did here or there or whatever. Read his filter here, read his filters elsewhere, he's a big big big fan of comparing games. He uses that to slip in awful comparisons. One of the major things he was in my arse about early was really small mafia. For those who didn't play in or read really small mafia, there were seven players. In an instant lynch game. 2 mafia, 4 votes = dead on D1. Flare is really concerned about me writing a case on him and voting him, despite being more hesitant there. On March 20 2014 00:15 Holyflare wrote: Why did you vote me and build a case without questioning me intensively like you did to other people in really small mafia? What's with the drastic change in playstyle? On March 20 2014 01:16 Holyflare wrote: I answered this, but want to push it a little harder. rayn may not want to be a teacher, but I'll stand at the blackboard and ask the class, "Class, why would someone be more hesitant about cases/votes in a 7 man instant lynch mini than in a larger non-instant game?"well i'm not because the entirety of your point on me on hopeless is about the poop soup "case" on him about bussing? when in fact the real case was that he mentioned a game where I did something as town but only used the game where I did it as scum as a reason for calling me scum you have also failed to answer my questions, why is your gameplay so much more different here than it is in really small mafia? you had to ask so many questions and be pushed so much to vote or be convinced on someone that was very scummy and even then you were asking them questions. Right off the bat here you are making accusations and putting down votes without doing any of the inquisitive things you were doing in really small mafia Well garsh teacher, maybe because those two styles of games are entirely different. Maybe votes mean more in an instant lynch game, especially a tiny one. Maybe the comparison is quite flawed, because the differences are easily explained by setup differences. Again associative, but HF also just slipped during this Vivax stuff. Not "no why does this mean anything", but a really specific post he made. On March 20 2014 23:16 Holyflare wrote: Look children, a mafia post!HOW IS IT A SLIP WHEN A TOWN DID THE SAME THING IN TITANIC 2 NOT TO MENTION 60 IS 40 PAGES IN NOT TO MENTION YOU ARE SCUM (1) "How is it a slip when a town did the same thing in titanic 2" read that. Read it read it read it. How is lying about timings scummy when one time a town did the same thing? HF knows better than this, 100%. Everyone does. Sometimes townies slip, lie, do dumb things, get lynched. But more often than not, when someone gets caught lying in a read, or lies about their reasoning, it's because they're mafia. You lynch most liars because most of the time, lying serves mafia more than town, they're more likely to lie, blah blah blah. Mixed in with the rest of HF's response is this. How is lying about your reasoning behind something a mafia trait when here's this one instance of a townie doing the same. If we didn't lynch anyone for things that a single townie had done ever, we'd never lynch anyone. This was an off-the-cuff post, not well thought out, and it shows that HF is trying to use terrible logic when things go awry today for mafia (if vivax mafia). (2) "Not to mention 60 is 40 pages in" This means nothing, and is just pure speculation about what someone meant by the number 40. (3) "not to mention you are scum" Followed an hour later by DP now being town. Mafia are most likely to slip up when shenanigans happen or some giant bomb gets dropped in thread. HF slipped up here, not by just half-defending vivax, but by doing it entirely wrong. Here's a 100% empty post, with a bad comparison to a single past game (a townie can lie so don't lynch for lying when there's not a townie reason to lie), some nonsense about what 40 maybe means, and then (and no, this doesn't really matter, but for the sake of neatness I like that this whole post is invalid) a continued tunnel of DP that then gets reversed. It's very, very likely that HF slipped up here. Which means it's very very likely that Vivax is actually mafia, even if the timing stuff weren't very very damning. | ||
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As scumHF townVivax, scumHF could still be surprised that all of a sudden thread is jumping on vivax, while HF knows vivax is town. So he does one of those scummy little half-defenses, because he's caught off guard and knows the guy is town. | ||
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On March 21 2014 01:40 Holyflare wrote: First red, vivax's alignment is actually irrelevant, realized that. What's important is your reaction, which was off, and also the fact that you're a lover of comparisons to past games, specific things, but your comparison here is just air. A townie did this thing once. Great. That says nothing, has no bearing on what someone else's alignment may be, and fails to mention that a whole lot of scum, more scum than townies, also have lied about things.Um what? If it's a slip then he is town because i say "a town did this in titanic 2" so your point is redundant unless you imply i am doing that but insinuating he is scum by saying a townie did this in titanic 2 so why would my scum partner do it here? Which is completely wifomy. It's weird because this is a titanic game abd exactly the same thing happened in the last titanic game that is why people being hasty and accepting Rayn's point before fact checking was weird especially as there are instances in this game where rayn has been wrong on wording and misread. If rayn agreed with my point on you why are you not applying the same logic and calling rayn scum too because he agreed with the same point. If in fact you think rayn is town then by definition his agreeing with that point means that townies agree. It's not even an actual point on why i am scum it's just... Holyflare pointed something about me out! Aha! Second red, no. You and rayn are different players. It's both a thing specific to you because you make so many comparisons and are slipping in these bad ones as well, and also rayn is being townrayn. Lying to alakaslam in order to see how alakaslam reacts, and then quickly explaining the lie and why he did it and what he learned, is exactly townrayn. Him agreeing with your bad comparison, liking your bad comparison, makes him wrong. But his actions this game make him town overall. Yours don't. | ||
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On March 21 2014 01:41 Holyflare wrote: You have been reading the game and posting. Palmar has been reading the game and actually posting a lot for Palmar.The point* is referring to your play in really small. Also in regards to ve, i agreed with him about vivax's early game i thought it was towny, as did palmar as did a few others. Why is it only ve that takes the scum biscuit for that? VE has not been reading the game in full. He specifically states he hasn't read my filter when voting for me. And he provides 0 specifics of what he likes or dislikes. Plus the entire other bit that doesn't rely on Vivax's flip. Do you believe that all the scooby doo stuff was clear and that everyone followed along? Or do you think it actually did clog the thread and make a couple pages hard to read? | ||
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On March 21 2014 01:50 Holyflare wrote: Yes, I called you out for doing something particularly scummy.I have like 15 pages of filter and your scum read hasn't evolved on me at all, you've just picked out 1 new instance from the events that just happened. So you've missed out 13 pages of filter and content. Are all of your posts particularly scummy? No. But when you screw up, you screw up. | ||
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On March 21 2014 01:55 Holyflare wrote: Yup. He's fantastically likely to be scum for lying like this.You just said "it doesn't really prove vivax's alignment" which means it's wifom which means that what o said isn't scummy by nature... Lol But as you just noted, sometimes townies lie and do ridiculous things. That doesn't mean vivax is town, that means that lying for no discernible reason is like 95/5 scummy. | ||
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On March 21 2014 02:05 Holyflare wrote: No. Read pages 61-63. Read stuff like this:Flinging accusations lol? You JUST made a case on why I'm scum which was terrible, full of wifom abd showed you hadn't really updated your read on me since your last thread entry. I do not know about ve's alignment, i agreed with his vivax point that his opening looked towny and i agreed on his point about you and you are doing it again. I am your scum read and you tried to get discussion about your scum read dropped and then had 0 more discussion about your scum read but then wasted time discussing about coag with rayn (your town read) who you called out for misrepresentation but never scum On March 20 2014 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now here is what Hopeless says at the start of the game about Holyflare: Now Hopeless thinks Holyflare is mafia. What are the possible reasons for thinking this based on his posts:
Based on Hopeless posting there is no other reason why he should think Holyflare is mafia or he is not telling us everything. Now this is what he says later on: Now look at the blue, red and green part of the posting history of Hopeless:
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And that's why i think Hopeless is mafia. On March 20 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point about Scooby doo is that there is no fucking reason for Hopeless to bring up the Cultured argument in thread in the first place if he does not think it makes Holyflare mafia and the argument is either forged as fuck or totally incorrect and Hopeless is the laziest guy on the planet because he does not even bother to to check the validity of his arguments. Neither of the options makes any sense from town perspective!! On March 20 2014 01:04 Palmar wrote: no one does. On March 20 2014 01:13 Holyflare wrote: Ok hopeless. You didn't read really small mafia but you know what scooby dooing is, so how was that relevant to the "case" on dp? If you read cultured and knew the explanation for what scooby dooing meant then you know it was legitimate and worked in those games. So why mention "that's not a very scooby doo case" when it didn't apply to that case at all? You scum read me because I make "useless posts as scum" or whatever but then you claim that I'm scum for not making a scooby doo case? The only game you referenced was culture where I used scooby doo and got my gf lynched. So how do those 2 things add up together? Either you wanted me to scooby doo on DP because it works and isn't useless but i didn't do that so you thought I was scum or you think in culture I posted useless things and therefore am scum because I was doing that here too? How can you try and determine my alignment from something that you only referenced me doing as scum that was based off of a town game? On March 20 2014 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare eats bananas as town, Does anyone know if he does that as mafia too? Yeah Holyflare eats apples as mafia and as town. On March 20 2014 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hmm i kinda get what Hopeless is saying here. I still don't get the read on me, it just does not make any sense. Everyone was talking past each other. You, rayn, and hopeless, the people posting, were all talking past each other. There were assumptions about what scooby doo means and who read what and hosted what and modded what and gave birth to which norse god, and it was generally painful to read because you guys didn't understand each other at all. Me saying to lynch/shoot people who keep talking about scooby doo isn't trying to shut down discussion on you. It's trying to read the thread. | ||
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On March 21 2014 02:08 Koshi wrote: When I roll scum on this account, I will happily message you so you can sit with baited breath for me to flip and be disappoint.Giggletummy. Let is be known I will be disappointed in you when you flip scum. | ||
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On March 21 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote: (1) Do you think those posts look annoying/spammy/unreadable? Do they appear to be posts that clog the thread?Right so scooby do became irrelevant and annoying to you so then why did you drop everything to do with discerning the alignment of your scum read to talk to your town read about an already flipped town? (2) rayn was pestering me about my saying he looked bad, in the post where I was asked about rayn/coag arguing and said rayn looked bad for it and coag looked fine to me. rayn continued to pester me. I responded and continued to respond. Those posts about coag and rayn are specific answers to someone saying I was scummy and asking me questions. | ||
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Actions matter plenty, not just reactions. And your reaction to the vivax stuff is a reaction, weighed. Yes, towards the end of a D1 on which I've been very absent, my reads are not fluid and well-updated and I'm not checking in every 2 pages. If I continue to have like 2-3 reads, never update anything, 1000% lynch me. But if it's still partway through D1 and I've been absent a bunch of the game, maybe my reads not being fluid is a natural thing. Time will tell. I won't argue that I look massively townie, but i will argue that you're mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2014 05:19 Djodref wrote: Can you point to a post or two that push towards townie?Rayn case was pretty damning. Vivax latest posts are making me doubting a little bit but I have good hopes he'll flip mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2014 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you always think in terms of only two options? There's an undiscovered Raynpelikoneet Postulate out there, that for every action, there are two and only two possible courses of action to follow.This game is called what would you do as town: Scenario 1: There is a big argument between two players in thread. You decide it's important regarding players alignments because you weigh in to the argument. What do you do? 1) Give your opinions on the players and tell which are good and bad. Say if someone looks scummy because of it or if it does not you point the thread to a different (right) direction. 2) Do not comment on the argumet at all, call one player out for it not really telling why or using some crap reasoning like "he should do something else". Call noone scum, give no better direction, throw a vote on someone, say "case later kthxye" and peace out. Scenario 2: You have a vote on your top scumread and people are waiting on your case. What do you do? 1) Make a case on your scumread, try to convince people on voting for him. 2) Make a case where you don't really call your scumread scum, continue discussing the scenario 1 matters, call another player out multiple times without calling calling him scum, defend/question a couple of other people on other things. peace out. Scenario 3: You have been out of the thread for a day. It's close to lynch, what do you do? 1) Make a case on your top scumread and try to convince people to vote for them, or weigh between the cases that are present and give resons why you sheep the best case. 2) Make a huge fucking case on someone who is not your top scumread. Then make another huge fucking case on your top scumread. In that case, say that this dude is definitely mafia regardless of this third guy's alignment. Proceed on voting for the third guy who you just said you are not even sure is mafia. If you answered (1) more Giggletummy should be mafia. If you answered (2) more you are mafia. Maybe you actively state that you're not reading, and only partially skimming the argument in question in Scenario 1. Maybe you talk about the argument and what it means to you when specifically asked, but if never asked, you wouldn't care much about it. Maybe in Scenario 2, you have most of a case typed up, get pulled away, and don't get back to it til the next day. Perhaps vote, _______, make a case is a thing that can happen. Maybe people don't vote and promise cases on people they don't think are scum. Maybe sometimes when you're out of the thread for a day and there are 4 scum members, you don't feel the need to continue pushing solely one dude. You can point out why he is, and is still, mafia, but without gunning for his lynch since votes are elsewhere. These things are impossible in raynland. But they're wholely plausible choices for people who aren't in raynland. | ||
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On March 21 2014 05:26 Djodref wrote: Pre-flip, if possible, are you happy with Vivax's scum on a silver platter, i.e. poofter i thik?This post feels genuine to me and it's making doubting my decision a little, but I know you could use your own angry and disabused emotions as a lynched scum to produce something like this. | ||
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On March 21 2014 05:36 thrawn2112 wrote: "everyone is mafia" is generally not a post I find townie. did any of the vivax voters start doubting that vivax was mafia when he made his angry posts? i didn't, in fact they made me feel even better about the lynch. I am asking because djo's reaction to them seems implausible The posts before that i can maybe see, I'm actually interested in djo giving thoughts on tehpoofter. For all vivax's moaning, the only real thing in those posts to me was that he thought he found scum and handed scum to us. Checking that scumread seems like a good thing to do if you're worried about a mislynch, as that's what, half or a third of what vivax had done. | ||
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On March 21 2014 05:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Do the posts make sense? They are legible and you can read them and follow the conversation?The pages in question GT seem to be rayn and Holyflare going on Hopeless for misusing meta and at least rayn calling him scum for it. What is confusing to you? | ||
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On March 21 2014 05:56 Giggletummy wrote: I ask because pg 63 is my post that you have a major problem with.Do the posts make sense? They are legible and you can read them and follow the conversation? And I don't believe that anyone who was around at the time made sense of what was actually being posted. Even the people involved. rayn and Flare didn't understand what hopeless was saying/how he was defining things, I could not and I think it was Palmar who couldn't, understand what rayn was saying, etc. etc. etc. Me saying to stop with the scooby doo isn't "this is only relevant to holyflare and i am not interested in it." Me saying to stop with the scooby doo is "good god the last couple pages make no sense, plz cease." | ||
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On March 21 2014 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: possible town cred on lynch. If he was strapped for time or lazy scum, he certainly isn't the D2 lynch when I flip town, given other options.Yes i know that. But i doubt he tries to lynch mafia. He tried to lynch tehpoofer so i do not think anyone should try to lynch tehpoofer any more in this game. Also thrawn's conversations with him were really townie. Hopeless never answered Vivax and Vivax didn't give a fuck. He dropped his read on Giggletummy for reasons i don't even know what they were. | ||
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Look through his filter for poofter. On March 20 2014 19:02 Holyflare wrote: Well this is an outright lie Case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition?page=43#855 Dp filter where it happens: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition?user=DarthPunk&page=6 0 questions before case Poofter is outright lying. On March 20 2014 23:43 Holyflare wrote: Lynch DP or poofter for lying, not VivaxThen you should be lynching dp for lying and poofter for lying On March 20 2014 23:52 Holyflare wrote: regardless of vivax, here's DP and maybe DP/poofterOk rayn regardless of this vivax thing if you found mafia. Dp has thepoofter as 100% scum and makes an entire case on him based on 2 posts and only after the case asks him questions (like suki and toad in culture). When poofter responds dp calls him a liar and thus furthering his view of 100% scum. Why does he unvote 100% scum to sheep you on the guy that made a case on me that followed dp's logic that i am scum? On March 21 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote: I'm town and poofter is also town because of filter.Was also a long time before deadline. Anyway, Lot of page 2 vivax filter should clear me, thrawn and poofter as town. Not just these points in particular On March 21 2014 08:51 Holyflare wrote: gets mad because now poofter is town, not mafiawhat the fuck are you talking about i said poofter is town? On March 21 2014 13:09 Holyflare wrote: I've decided poofter is scum again. He was lying scum, then he was cleared by vivax's filter, now the exact same bit in vivax's filter maybe indicates poofter is scum. possibly maybe.I think this might have been true and that's why he is actually angry (poofter scum? :OOOOOO) On March 21 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote: There are like 5 different postings of this. Asked to specific people and now mentioned again.Just gonna requote this so dp doesn't bury it with more nonsense: what if this is true and poofter/hopless is scum? HF is active and posty but his posts overnight are full NOT of specific questions like "who was the mislynch" (hi rayn, it was me), or even djodref's "assume i'm town and Giggle is town then xxxxxx" HF is "Hey what if Vivax was serious that he gave us ez scum?" The answer, of course, is that poofter would be scum. It's not a neat, thoughtful question, it's got a 100% specific answer that's clearly visible. This isn't a real question. It's just false activity that makes it look like Flare is trying to figure something out. But the question goes nowhere, and the basis for the question is "what if this mafia guy was serious?" Unless he can resurrect Vivax and administer some truth serum, we're only gonna learn the answer post-flip or post game. When I say characteristic, I mean there are a lot of other questions that are camouflaged (that word is spelled strangely) to look like real stuff. His read on me bounces around the same way, I'm scum but then assumed town, but then a good shot (and vigs should not be shooting but then should shoot), and then I'm probably scum again. All this while he just makes up alignments for everyone and then plays out hypothetical situations that aren't even real. On March 21 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote: he doesn't hesitate, he joins giggle straight away without commenting on the case he spent the entire game waiting for and that case agreed with all his points so he should be voting for a townish read, he gives conclusive reasons that djo is scum but is voting for the guy that agreed with his points and made a case that he didnt look over or question? isn't that odd to you? On March 21 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote: Oh I said that, looks like I was smart in the past too! HF: I went back and checked. I tempvoted Giggle on page 54 and properly (mspaint) on 67. rayn voted him on page 63. DP voted giggle on page 89. That does not count as instantly in my book. (All while claiming every blue role in the book) | ||
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On March 21 2014 11:30 Holyflare wrote: No it's not at all that post states that in both options he made giggle mafia and giggle is saying what if it isn't black and white because i am town and doing banana, apple, orange. Are you reading the same post? On March 21 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote: This is what I was talking about with you, rayn. You present only two options, in both of which I am mafia. (Sometimes).If it's moere 1 giggle is mafia, if it's more 2 you are mafia both options making giggle mafia and he provides counter reasons for your points which is what a towny being discredited would also do so it is not "slandering a player that's town" like dp said Aside from that, in your bit on me about Vivax and "knowing" Vivax's alignment, and how I had Flare scum in the case of either flip, Flare looks scummy re: Vivax because of his reaction. It's not the right reaction. It's not "I don't believe you." It's not "I think Vivax is still town because x and y and z." It's "A townie did this one time, therefore _____" (with no mention of how lying is often scum because they have more to gain, despite the fact that yes, townies lie sometimes). It's also "if vivax is lying and you want to lynch him, why don't you want to lynch DP and poofter?" (indicating that lying is scummy, and we should be lynching liars, but I guess not vivax). That does point more towards scum vivax, because of the push off of vivax that didn't give groovy vibes. But the reaction is wrong regardless of Vivax's alignment. The reaction is "the day is going well, and now shenanigans are afoot close-ish to lynch, and we no longer have control of the lynch." I'm the mislynch, the day is easy for scum, and suddenly things get shaken up. It points more towards mafia Vivax, but honestly if Vivax is town it's still the wrong reaction to someone getting caught lying. | ||
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On March 22 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote: You're "exploring all situations possible" by just swirling everything around and by running the thread off onto tangents.Yeh well done giggle you just proved you are scum. You take my hypothetical scenario and portray that as what i think of alignments and then you cherrypick the part where rayn gets the scenario explanation wrong as another thing for me to point out. What is the part that makes me scum? Is it the part where i explore all situations possible? Or is it the part where i do that thing that i explained about on vivax that i would never do as scum? Or is it the longest filter in the game part? None of the things you mentioned make me scum and it looks really forced. I can understand what djodref is after when he looks at the djo town/me town scenario and tries to follow through. I can understand what rayn is at least after when he goes through who calls hopeless scummy, why, why don't these people call hopeless scummy, what is there to gain. But you explore things in a way that doesn't have that conclusion behind it. "What if Vivax wasn't lying?" just leads to a single answer. You're essentially asking "What if poofter is mafia?" That's not a helpful question. It doesn't give insight into anything. It just serves to stir a particular pot whenever you want to bring it back up. | ||
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On March 22 2014 03:16 Hopeless1der wrote: doesnt count, you have to draw it in paint it's not for quota; it's for amusement. That's too many letters to paint. On March 22 2014 03:16 Holyflare wrote: You're not "exploring a situation," at least not with "what if vivax wasn't lying?"Hey giggle. Here's the real deal. If you are town. Then SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO BE SCUM THAT WE ARE TOWN READING. So why are you saying me exploring that situation is scummy when in fact that's the towniest thing to do if one of you two are town? There's no exploring to be done. What if that's an apple? 3 hours later "Hey you remember that thing that I said might or might not be an apple? What if it's an apple?" You're not exploring the apple. Some of the hypotheticals can be "explore-y," but a lot of what you've posted isn't explore-y, it's distract-y. Random blue claims, what if x where there's nothing to explore, that stuff. | ||
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If I'm scum and vivax is scum, or if I'm scum and hopeless is scum, or pretty much if I'm scum and any other people are scum, then what is my scum team doing on D1? Not in the sense that "if these people are scum, was the scum team just ... doing nothing?" But in the sense that, if I'm scum and hopeless is scum, why isn't he voting you and trying to push you early? I'm not the only person who thinks you're mafia, and I'm not the only person who thinks you're "not town." If i have scumbuddies, doesn't someone jump aboard the Flare train? Either initially, when people thought you might be scummy and wanted to see my case, or later, when I finally post, or later later when scumGiggle (in this scenario) is getting lynched, or later later later when scumGiggle was going to get lynched but now scumVivax is? Based on the number of people suspicious of you, a mafia team could push votes on you and probably secure a lynch. Nobody did. There's a bunch of "Flare mafia" or "Flare suspicious" out there, and very little traction, right now, towards a definite lynch. (Question for non-Flares, do you guys see this?). If you're attacking mafia DP and mafiaGiggle, and there's clear sentiment to slide things towards you instead of the scum team, then why don't they? Even if you think I'm mafia, this would eliminate certain other players (likely), because they would have been pushing you with me and unloading real pressure. Instead, you pick up a whopping one vote during the day. | ||
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On March 22 2014 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: No big rant on VE because VE's night has put a kink in him being mafia.Gigglytummy Y U no big rant on VE? I call him out, because he hasn't read my filter while voting, because he's misrepresenting what I said/what I was talking about, and for town sentiment on Vivax when he doesn't appear to be following thread and never points to anything in particular. People like this, VE moves up the suspect ladder. Regardless of alignment, there's now more pressure on him. He interacts with you a little, with Palmar a decent bit, during the night, but his only interaction with me is basically to continue sniping at the same points he made before. When I direct him to the pages scooby doo is relevant to, and my comment is relevant to, he appears not to have read up on them, not gone and looked, to basically be in the same spot he was in before. I am not sure that I have played with mafia VE, but I don't believe that mafia VE is so cool as to talk more with other folks than myself, and when talking to myself, to basically just ignore that he's misrepresenting what I've done, even as pressure was greater on him than before. His continued misrepresentation reads less malignant and more "VE wasn't around and doesn't know what was happening and is making incorrect statements and not updating them because he's just not focused." I checked recent games, and he's been lynched early as town for essentially not participating/being focused in a couple. Gives me pause. It's not a towntell, because VE may just be less focused on mafia right now, regardless of alignment, and so he's just uninvolved regardless of his role PM. But it's enough, combined with the way he kept going at me about the same thing, to make me less scummy on him. | ||
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On March 22 2014 05:05 thrawn2112 wrote: No. Lemme find posts to make it clearerthe reasons you just gave for finding VE less scummy after the night don't have anything to do with the reasons you initially found him scummy for. liek you found him scummy for misrepresenting you, for a weird read on vivax, etc. but having a town meta of being a lazy shouldn't absolve those things right? | ||
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On March 21 2014 01:12 Giggletummy wrote: VE, little over an hour later (still during D1) On March 21 2014 02:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Now aware that I posted about him, although sideways-like.Wait what is this shit? I made a post specifically about GT okay, and if you didn't like it, you should have said something at the time. What is this? On March 21 2014 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Hours hours later, we're 10 minutes to lynch. My post, my response, my saying he misrepresented stuff, my specific pointing to pages in the thread, just WHOOSHed past him.Let me clarify - I've said things about Giggletummy - things I believe make him scum. Others (many on this Vivax lynch) agree that GT looks scummy and would be a good lynch. I don't feel like I /have/ to do anything to sway anyone. I'm not feeling STRONGLY that Vivax is town, and frankly based on rayn's reasoning I'm coming around to the idea that he's scum. But IF he's town and he's able to convince town (which doesn't look likely based on his last post) then I still want votes on GT. This isn't hard. After reading HF's case I have a couple of comments. First, HF uses quotes several times during that case and as a result the timeline of the events said to take place are cloudy and uncertain. That being said, the main points of his case (DP is inquisitive as town, DP's not wishy washy as town, etc) I tend to agree with. So I'm going to go filter DP and see what I see. On March 21 2014 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Still 0 update.No I believe you, just thought it was funny. Giggletummy is next imo. Maybe thrawn. On March 21 2014 05:55 VisceraEyes wrote: This is in response to me telling him to go look at those pages, directly confronting him. This is basically the only time he directly engage me tonight. He's focused elsewhere, on Holyflare's case on DP (maybe his biggest post of the night), on fighting with Palmar, but it's Priority 0 for VE to confront me, and either try and change my mind OR try and update his read on me. I absolutely positively don't appear to matter to VE.The pages in question GT seem to be rayn and Holyflare going on Hopeless for misusing meta and at least rayn calling him scum for it. What is confusing to you? The way in which he just doesn't respond to my case, doesn't much care that he got called out and looks weird for vivax and is seriously misrepresenting my post and just goes "oh yeah, it looks like they were talking about scooby doo stuff, what is confusing?" is not what I would expect from mafia. Mafia fights, mafia defends, mafia would at the very least try and say that I'm wrong and still mafia (reread those pages, say "it looks like they're doing x", and then continue by saying, "which means I'm right and you're wrong and you're red, #dunked). VE's utter disinterest with pursuing his read on me, with responding much to what I wrote about him, while showing more interest in HF/DP and palmar, look more green than red to me. Clearer? | ||
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Now djo and half the rest of the game want to get shot to prove townieness or blueness. Martyring never a good idea. | ||
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