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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 20 2014 09:23 GMT
#1721
yeah i'm slowly coming around to that. all the arguments about "jokes" and whatnot completely go over my head since I was not reading all that stuff as it happened. the main thing i've taken away from your case his how amazingly contradictory DP reads and lynch pushes are
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2014 09:24 GMT
#1722
On March 20 2014 18:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
those posts from djo you say are reasonable, here is what you previously said about them:

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.


Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell.


you said they looked bad. after that you went on to call djo mafia based on meta. the SAME posts that you are calling reasoanble and using to justify not lynching djo, are the posts that you initially called bad. what's up with that?


The content is not reasonable necessarily. What IS reasonable is his willingness to take part in a productive discourse and interact with the thread. Which I feel is pretty clear from his final few posts on the second page of his filter. He is willing to talk with people such as you and rayn and is attempting to make his thought process clear etc.

I still think he is scummy, I wrote a case on him that I believe in, but as I said, I would like to give him the chance to get his shit together as he is showing that he is willing to take part in a productive discourse.

Whereas someone like GT is afking and Teh poofter either ignores or outright ignores my questions until I prod him to death, after which he finally answers my questions with outright lies and twists of the truth.

Does that seem reasonable to you?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2014 09:24 GMT
#1723
On March 20 2014 18:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'm slowly coming around to that. all the arguments about "jokes" and whatnot completely go over my head since I was not reading all that stuff as it happened. the main thing i've taken away from your case his how amazingly contradictory DP reads and lynch pushes are


Sigh.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 09:27 GMT
#1724
On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why arent we lynching Djo?
He's calling people town for having a bad read.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:
Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:
OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read'

On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad?


Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did.

So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties.

Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question.

Sadly I don't have a gun.


I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game).
On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:
[image loading]

VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point.

My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view.


His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons.

He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum.
On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy.


How is Alakaslam scummy ?
And what about me also by the way ?

Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls.


I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him.
The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it.
I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game.
tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment



More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating.

On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.


Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read'

Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia


His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that.

On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.

I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia.
So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment.


I'm suspicious of you for several reasons.
  • You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
    =>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
  • You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
    =>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
  • You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
    =>Looked too easy for me
  • I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.


That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it.
Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT.
tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.

Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?



He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else.

He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all.


On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:
I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore.
I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well.
I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much.
I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though
I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer.
I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more.


See you tomorrow guys!


Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game?

He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read.

Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda.


It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter.



His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it?
Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote
Show nested quote +
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me

Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking.

The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that.

Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo?


I'm calling DP town because the post you quoted of him that I liked showed that he read my filter in detail and really weighed the pros and cons to determine my alignment. Why do you call this post a bad read ?
And also can you tell me again what are your exact reasons to have your vote on me ? Because I'm not sure to know what exactly decided you when I read your filter, and I would like you to state it clearly.
Make me some bullet points plz
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 20 2014 09:27 GMT
#1725
Giggletummys case is the exact nonsense that dp brings up on me time and time again, why does he find giggle more likely to be mafia when they are saying the same read over djo who he says is likely mafia and poofter who he said was 100% mafia before (he's changed his vote now)
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 20 2014 09:28 GMT
#1726
On March 20 2014 18:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 18:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
those posts from djo you say are reasonable, here is what you previously said about them:

On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.


Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell.


you said they looked bad. after that you went on to call djo mafia based on meta. the SAME posts that you are calling reasoanble and using to justify not lynching djo, are the posts that you initially called bad. what's up with that?


The content is not reasonable necessarily. What IS reasonable is his willingness to take part in a productive discourse and interact with the thread. Which I feel is pretty clear from his final few posts on the second page of his filter. He is willing to talk with people such as you and rayn and is attempting to make his thought process clear etc.

I still think he is scummy, I wrote a case on him that I believe in, but as I said, I would like to give him the chance to get his shit together as he is showing that he is willing to take part in a productive discourse.

Whereas someone like GT is afking and Teh poofter either ignores or outright ignores my questions until I prod him to death, after which he finally answers my questions with outright lies and twists of the truth.

Does that seem reasonable to you?


not really, because those djo posts were so bad that it overrides the fact that he was at least here to make them. here is what you're saying

scummy guy 1 doesn't show up
scummy guy 2 shows up and says scummy stuff

and then you're deciding that scummy guy 2 is being "reasonable" and is worth saving over #1? i think they should at least be equal in scumminess from your point of view, especially considering how any time you talk about anything djo says you call it scummy
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2014 09:28 GMT
#1727
On March 20 2014 18:27 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why arent we lynching Djo?
He's calling people town for having a bad read.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:
Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:
OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read'

On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad?


Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did.

So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties.

Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question.

Sadly I don't have a gun.


I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game).
On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:
[image loading]

VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point.

My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view.


His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons.

He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum.
On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy.


How is Alakaslam scummy ?
And what about me also by the way ?

Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls.


I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him.
The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it.
I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game.
tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment



More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating.

On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.


Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read'

Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia


His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that.

On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.

I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia.
So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment.


I'm suspicious of you for several reasons.
  • You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
    =>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
  • You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
    =>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
  • You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
    =>Looked too easy for me
  • I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.


That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it.
Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT.
tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.

Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?



He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else.

He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all.


On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:
I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore.
I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well.
I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much.
I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though
I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer.
I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more.


See you tomorrow guys!


Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game?

He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read.

Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda.


It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter.



His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it?
Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me

Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking.

The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that.

Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo?


I'm calling DP town because the post you quoted of him that I liked showed that he read my filter in detail and really weighed the pros and cons to determine my alignment. Why do you call this post a bad read ?
And also can you tell me again what are your exact reasons to have your vote on me ? Because I'm not sure to know what exactly decided you when I read your filter, and I would like you to state it clearly.
Make me some bullet points plz


Posts like this are the exact thing I am talking about. Why would you lynch djo over poofter or GT?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 20 2014 09:30 GMT
#1728
On March 20 2014 18:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 18:27 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why arent we lynching Djo?
He's calling people town for having a bad read.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:
Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:
OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read'

On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad?


Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did.

So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties.

Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question.

Sadly I don't have a gun.


I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game).
On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:
[image loading]

VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point.

My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view.


His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons.

He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum.
On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy.


How is Alakaslam scummy ?
And what about me also by the way ?

Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls.


I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him.
The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it.
I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game.
tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment



More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating.

On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.


Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read'

Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia


His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that.

On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.

I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia.
So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment.


I'm suspicious of you for several reasons.
  • You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
    =>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
  • You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
    =>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
  • You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
    =>Looked too easy for me
  • I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.


That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it.
Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT.
tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.

Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?



He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else.

He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all.


On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:
I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore.
I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well.
I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much.
I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though
I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer.
I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more.


See you tomorrow guys!


Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game?

He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read.

Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda.


It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter.



His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it?
Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me

Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking.

The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that.

Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo?


I'm calling DP town because the post you quoted of him that I liked showed that he read my filter in detail and really weighed the pros and cons to determine my alignment. Why do you call this post a bad read ?
And also can you tell me again what are your exact reasons to have your vote on me ? Because I'm not sure to know what exactly decided you when I read your filter, and I would like you to state it clearly.
Make me some bullet points plz


Posts like this are the exact thing I am talking about. Why would you lynch djo over poofter or GT?


what is your point, are you townreading him for that post or not?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 09:31 GMT
#1729
Also I forgot to say that I know that my filter looks like shit atm and I understand why you could have voted me as town, as well I can undertsand that the conclusion of DP post is that I'm more on the scum side that the town side (even if I got the feeling that DP has not a definitive scumread on me).
But I'm not sure if your votes are town vote or convenient scum votes so that's why I want you to state very clearly why you are pushing my lynch so everyone can work something out of it.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2014 09:31 GMT
#1730
On March 20 2014 18:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 18:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 18:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
those posts from djo you say are reasonable, here is what you previously said about them:

On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.


Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell.


you said they looked bad. after that you went on to call djo mafia based on meta. the SAME posts that you are calling reasoanble and using to justify not lynching djo, are the posts that you initially called bad. what's up with that?


The content is not reasonable necessarily. What IS reasonable is his willingness to take part in a productive discourse and interact with the thread. Which I feel is pretty clear from his final few posts on the second page of his filter. He is willing to talk with people such as you and rayn and is attempting to make his thought process clear etc.

I still think he is scummy, I wrote a case on him that I believe in, but as I said, I would like to give him the chance to get his shit together as he is showing that he is willing to take part in a productive discourse.

Whereas someone like GT is afking and Teh poofter either ignores or outright ignores my questions until I prod him to death, after which he finally answers my questions with outright lies and twists of the truth.

Does that seem reasonable to you?


not really, because those djo posts were so bad that it overrides the fact that he was at least here to make them. here is what you're saying

scummy guy 1 doesn't show up
scummy guy 2 shows up and says scummy stuff

and then you're deciding that scummy guy 2 is being "reasonable" and is worth saving over #1? i think they should at least be equal in scumminess from your point of view, especially considering how any time you talk about anything djo says you call it scummy


Fuck no. That is not at all how I should think.

Scummy guy one does inexplicable scummy shit and then afk's

Scummy guy 2 makes reasonable effort to enter into a productive discourse with his accusers, is willing to answer questions and may prove to be town if given the time and space to hunt for scum and continue his present willingness to talk and communicate effectively. Which is exactly what djo has been doing.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 20 2014 09:32 GMT
#1731
and no i will never lynch poofter. my noobie townie gut reads are historically pretty spot on. it's something i became good at after months of playing on mafiascum
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
March 20 2014 09:32 GMT
#1732
On March 20 2014 18:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 17:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
All this tunneling going on. lol Reading HF's wall of text now.


well? surely you have an opinion after reading it. I know it is difficult to understand but still...



I just spent 10 minutes trying to quote that and its annoying but his point about how you didnt question me is bullshit. Hf I can link it but DP asked me several times about my read and that was like his main frustration at the start so i disagree with you HF on that point and I think your overall case is meh at best. I would stop tunneling DP at least for today. I feel like hes actually trying to figure out the game in his posts he seems town to me hes wrong on some things including me but he is looking and is active if hes mafia hes going to become more apparent because he will have to reach more as the days go on.

So you two should kiss and make up for today and lets find some real scum.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2014 09:32 GMT
#1733
On March 20 2014 18:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 18:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 18:27 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why arent we lynching Djo?
He's calling people town for having a bad read.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:
Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:
OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read'

On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad?


Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did.

So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties.

Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question.

Sadly I don't have a gun.


I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game).
On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:
[image loading]

VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point.

My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view.


His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons.

He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum.
On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy.


How is Alakaslam scummy ?
And what about me also by the way ?

Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls.


I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him.
The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it.
I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game.
tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment



More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating.

On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.


Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read'

Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia


His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that.

On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.

I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia.
So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment.


I'm suspicious of you for several reasons.
  • You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
    =>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
  • You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
    =>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
  • You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
    =>Looked too easy for me
  • I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.


That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it.
Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT.
tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.

Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?



He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else.

He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all.


On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:
I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore.
I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well.
I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much.
I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though
I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer.
I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more.


See you tomorrow guys!


Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game?

He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read.

Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda.


It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter.



His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it?
Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me

Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking.

The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that.

Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo?


I'm calling DP town because the post you quoted of him that I liked showed that he read my filter in detail and really weighed the pros and cons to determine my alignment. Why do you call this post a bad read ?
And also can you tell me again what are your exact reasons to have your vote on me ? Because I'm not sure to know what exactly decided you when I read your filter, and I would like you to state it clearly.
Make me some bullet points plz


Posts like this are the exact thing I am talking about. Why would you lynch djo over poofter or GT?


what is your point, are you townreading him for that post or not?


Read my posts. I have repeated the same thing about a billion times.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2014 09:33 GMT
#1734
On March 20 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
and no i will never lynch poofter. my noobie townie gut reads are historically pretty spot on. it's something i became good at after months of playing on mafiascum


lol.

as a side note: How was mafia scum?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 20 2014 09:36 GMT
#1735
On March 20 2014 18:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 18:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 20 2014 18:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 18:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
those posts from djo you say are reasonable, here is what you previously said about them:

On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.


Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell.


you said they looked bad. after that you went on to call djo mafia based on meta. the SAME posts that you are calling reasoanble and using to justify not lynching djo, are the posts that you initially called bad. what's up with that?


The content is not reasonable necessarily. What IS reasonable is his willingness to take part in a productive discourse and interact with the thread. Which I feel is pretty clear from his final few posts on the second page of his filter. He is willing to talk with people such as you and rayn and is attempting to make his thought process clear etc.

I still think he is scummy, I wrote a case on him that I believe in, but as I said, I would like to give him the chance to get his shit together as he is showing that he is willing to take part in a productive discourse.

Whereas someone like GT is afking and Teh poofter either ignores or outright ignores my questions until I prod him to death, after which he finally answers my questions with outright lies and twists of the truth.

Does that seem reasonable to you?


not really, because those djo posts were so bad that it overrides the fact that he was at least here to make them. here is what you're saying

scummy guy 1 doesn't show up
scummy guy 2 shows up and says scummy stuff

and then you're deciding that scummy guy 2 is being "reasonable" and is worth saving over #1? i think they should at least be equal in scumminess from your point of view, especially considering how any time you talk about anything djo says you call it scummy


Fuck no. That is not at all how I should think.

Scummy guy one does inexplicable scummy shit and then afk's

Scummy guy 2 makes reasonable effort to enter into a productive discourse with his accusers, is willing to answer questions and may prove to be town if given the time and space to hunt for scum and continue his present willingness to talk and communicate effectively. Which is exactly what djo has been doing.




OK DP. so djo is willing to stick around and make posts, your argument is that he is willing to allow himself to be read and so we should take advantage of that. so why don't you that? those earlier posts that he was 'reasonable' for making, you gave him a scumread for. at what point do you actually decide that a person who in your oopinion, continues posting scummy things, might actually deserve to be lynched? you are just repeating over and over that djo should be given more time to make posts, then when he makes posts you call the posts scummy but say he should be given more time. is there anything in djo's filter that should eliminate him as a lynch candidate. do not say anything about the fact that he is still posting unless you are going to call any of those posts townie
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 20 2014 09:36 GMT
#1736
Poofter wtf are you saying he made a case on you and then questioned you. At least say what's meh about it instead of generalisations
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 20 2014 09:37 GMT
#1737
On March 20 2014 18:33 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
and no i will never lynch poofter. my noobie townie gut reads are historically pretty spot on. it's something i became good at after months of playing on mafiascum


lol.

as a side note: How was mafia scum?


i think most players would learn a lot from playng there even ifms players don't exactly play mafia very well. one thing i did like about the site is that people had a healthy attitude towards imporving, especially towards improving their scum play.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2014 09:38 GMT
#1738
Like I honestly don't care what GT said about holyflare or if I agree with it. He dropped a vote with a promise of explanation later. Then fucks off forever.

That is like a billion scum points. He then drops his incredibly manufactured looking case and leaves again. more scummy points.

That is like a textbook scum move and something that is a pet peeve of mine as I have stated before.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2014 09:40 GMT
#1739
On March 20 2014 18:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 18:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 18:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 20 2014 18:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 18:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
those posts from djo you say are reasonable, here is what you previously said about them:

On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
[quote]

You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.


Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell.


you said they looked bad. after that you went on to call djo mafia based on meta. the SAME posts that you are calling reasoanble and using to justify not lynching djo, are the posts that you initially called bad. what's up with that?


The content is not reasonable necessarily. What IS reasonable is his willingness to take part in a productive discourse and interact with the thread. Which I feel is pretty clear from his final few posts on the second page of his filter. He is willing to talk with people such as you and rayn and is attempting to make his thought process clear etc.

I still think he is scummy, I wrote a case on him that I believe in, but as I said, I would like to give him the chance to get his shit together as he is showing that he is willing to take part in a productive discourse.

Whereas someone like GT is afking and Teh poofter either ignores or outright ignores my questions until I prod him to death, after which he finally answers my questions with outright lies and twists of the truth.

Does that seem reasonable to you?


not really, because those djo posts were so bad that it overrides the fact that he was at least here to make them. here is what you're saying

scummy guy 1 doesn't show up
scummy guy 2 shows up and says scummy stuff

and then you're deciding that scummy guy 2 is being "reasonable" and is worth saving over #1? i think they should at least be equal in scumminess from your point of view, especially considering how any time you talk about anything djo says you call it scummy


Fuck no. That is not at all how I should think.

Scummy guy one does inexplicable scummy shit and then afk's

Scummy guy 2 makes reasonable effort to enter into a productive discourse with his accusers, is willing to answer questions and may prove to be town if given the time and space to hunt for scum and continue his present willingness to talk and communicate effectively. Which is exactly what djo has been doing.




OK DP. so djo is willing to stick around and make posts, your argument is that he is willing to allow himself to be read and so we should take advantage of that. so why don't you that? those earlier posts that he was 'reasonable' for making, you gave him a scumread for. at what point do you actually decide that a person who in your oopinion, continues posting scummy things, might actually deserve to be lynched? you are just repeating over and over that djo should be given more time to make posts, then when he makes posts you call the posts scummy but say he should be given more time. is there anything in djo's filter that should eliminate him as a lynch candidate. do not say anything about the fact that he is still posting unless you are going to call any of those posts townie


Not when there are better options. I don't feel like I need to have a timetable to lynch djo. Do I consider there to be better options at the moment? yes, 2 in fact. So until they cease to be better options or they get lynched I don't want to lynch djo. savvy?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2014 09:41 GMT
#1740
On March 20 2014 18:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 18:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
and no i will never lynch poofter. my noobie townie gut reads are historically pretty spot on. it's something i became good at after months of playing on mafiascum


lol.

as a side note: How was mafia scum?


i think most players would learn a lot from playng there even ifms players don't exactly play mafia very well. one thing i did like about the site is that people had a healthy attitude towards imporving, especially towards improving their scum play.


aren't the cycles there like weeks long?
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