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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 20 2014 00:33 GMT
#1501
On March 20 2014 09:07 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Is giggletummy even around? if he fucked off we should lynch him.

Thank you based town hero DP before you started posting I was unsure.


Thank you. I do try. :D
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 20 2014 00:33 GMT
#1502
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 20 2014 00:34 GMT
#1503
On March 20 2014 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am kinda back into thinking Hopeless is mafia and i have best reasoning 2014™ for it.
It's kinda sad it can't be used as a reasoning to lynch anyone really so i need to forge a case.


Lulz when did you trade mark the date buddy? HAHA
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 20 2014 00:35 GMT
#1504
On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.


Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 20 2014 00:37 GMT
#1505
On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.


Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell.


are you talking about wishy washy as scum? i don't remember anything about djo's play other than looney lynching mafia
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 00:39 GMT
#1506
On March 20 2014 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Serious question:

tehpoofer, Djodref and Giggletummy what do you think Hopeless' alignment is?


Not sure about Hopeless yet, he looks like he spent a lot of time clarifying the scooby doo thing (and I'm unable to tell if it's on purpose or not). I would not lynch him today.
I have some difficulties to understand what he means to say honestly. On this point I really enjoyed Palmar comments about nobody speaking the same language in this game. Holyflare is for example making reading this thread very difficult for me ^^
I'll check his filter again tomorrow.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 20 2014 00:40 GMT
#1507
On March 20 2014 09:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.


Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell.


are you talking about wishy washy as scum? i don't remember anything about djo's play other than looney lynching mafia


I caught him in Mario mini. (I thought you were in that?) for basically not calling anyone scum and not scum hunting.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 20 2014 00:42 GMT
#1508
oh i replaced out of that one, i probably didn't read it.

well DP. prior to this you talked about meta being bad, so what's different here?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 20 2014 00:43 GMT
#1509
[image loading]

Basically Djo is here right now and showing he is willing to participate. GT has not done that and what he has done has been scummy in it's own right.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 20 2014 00:45 GMT
#1510
On March 20 2014 09:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh i replaced out of that one, i probably didn't read it.

well DP. prior to this you talked about meta being bad, so what's different here?


Nothing. My case is not based on meta. It is based on the shit he has done/not done in the thread. In addition to that his behaviour is not inconsistent with a previous scum game of his.

Also I know how and when to use meta unlike 90% of people, and I never base my cases on it, it is a supplemental thing.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 00:45 GMT
#1511
On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.


No, the main reason for which I think his vote is ok is that his processus for voting me was really open and straightforward. He explained me why he thought I was scummy, asked me to step up my game and then voted me because of my lack of stepping up I guess.
In comparison, Oats went from
"Djo is looking like he is avoiding to speak about what's happening in the thread" to "Djo is scum" to "vote" and "die scum" in a very short span of time. The processus made the difference. And also Oats lacked of posts and townieness compared to Koshi.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
March 20 2014 00:46 GMT
#1512
On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:
I have read the whole thread again


I don't believe you. The thread is very long.
Computer says mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2014 00:49 GMT
#1513
Something to think about.

There is atm three lynch candidates. Djodref, Giggletummy and tehpoofer. Now i think it's reasonable to assume they are not all town in any case, just because i can't see a scenario where they are all town. At least one of them is mafia, maybe two (which would mean it's Djodref and tehpoofer since they are both on GT and they do not want to lynch each other), and not all three (because that would mean the scumteam is terrible and they are suicidal from the beginning of the game which i refuse to believe).

Now these people's stance on Hopeless and other people outside the pool of rest of them.
  • Djodref doesn't want to lynch Hopeless, has no stance on him. Instead he wants to lynch thrawn/Oats more.
  • tehpoofer gives some generic "i don't understand" crap on Hopeless, has no stance on him. thinks thrawn could be mafia
  • Giggletummy defends Hopeless against me. Thinks Holyflare is mafia.


Hopeless is one of the people outside those three who is easy to lynch. He has said a lot of stuff that's not so good. Why the fuck does none of those people think he is mafia -> in other words why does the person/people who is/are mafia in those three not go after Hopeless, and instead goes after thrawn who has no realistic chance of being lynched because me (and now DarthPunk) is defending him? In fact anyone, even outside from those people does not want to lynch Hopeless.

In case Hopeless is town, why does mafia not want to lynch Hopeless or even call him mafia for possible D2 lynch. It would be really easy to call Hopeless mafia. He has a bad read on me. He agrees with VE, votes for GT and the next moment he disagrees with the reasoning he voted GT for. Unless of course he is mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 00:49 GMT
#1514
Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter.

On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:
OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read'

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad?


Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did.

So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties.

Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question.

Sadly I don't have a gun.


I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game).
On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:
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VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point.

My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view.


His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons.

He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum.
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On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy.


How is Alakaslam scummy ?
And what about me also by the way ?

Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls.


I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him.
The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it.
I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game.
tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment



More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating.

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On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.


Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read'

Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia


His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that.

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On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.

I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia.
So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment.


I'm suspicious of you for several reasons.
  • You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
    =>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
  • You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
    =>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
  • You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
    =>Looked too easy for me
  • I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.


That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it.
Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT.
tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.

Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?



He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else.

He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all.


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On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:
I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore.
I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well.
I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much.
I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though
I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer.
I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more.


See you tomorrow guys!


Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game?

He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read.

Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda.


It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 20 2014 00:54 GMT
#1515
That is an interesting observation rayn. I don;t think we should be making associations before we flip some mofo's however.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2014 00:55 GMT
#1516
On March 20 2014 09:54 DarthPunk wrote:
That is an interesting observation rayn. I don;t think we should be making associations before we flip some mofo's however.

That's why i said i need to forge a case.
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 20 2014 00:56 GMT
#1517
On March 20 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:54 DarthPunk wrote:
That is an interesting observation rayn. I don;t think we should be making associations before we flip some mofo's however.

That's why i said i need to forge a case.


:D I look forward to it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 20 2014 00:56 GMT
#1518
rayn. i know i called hopeless town earlier, i dont remember what you specifically said but i do remember you leaning in that direction around the same time that I started thinking that he was town. there might have been others, i don't remember. so it's not like a "town hopeless" would be as easy a "mislynch" as you're suggesting.

but it is interesting to think about and I wish you'd have let those three people answer you abuot hopeless before writing all of that
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2014 00:56 GMT
#1519
The thing is it does not even matter what the association is.
The fact is Hopeless is scummy. Probably not the scummiest or even scummier than any of those three but still scummy. Why does mafia not want to call him scum (because that would be reasonable), even a little?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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March 20 2014 00:57 GMT
#1520
thrawn they all actually answered already. I was mainly waiting for Djodref.
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