That's not the point.
The point is later on Hopeless said you are scum for making a shit meta-case on DP and early on he backed his accusation up with the bussing theory from Cultured. The bussing theory is either useless filler or the TLDR of his scumread on you is not based on what he said earlier.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 13:51 GMT

#1113

The second point is Hopeless said "...otherwise rayn is town" which clearly means he has formed some sort of a read on me. After thrawn questions him about this read he says "i don't have a read on rayn, it's purely based on statistics". One of those two statements must be bullshit because they can't both be true.

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Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 13:54 GMT

#1115

On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:

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Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.

I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia.
So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 13:55 GMT

#1116

And please use proper quotes so i don't have to guess which posts from me are scummy.

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Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 13:59 GMT

#1120

On March 19 2014 11:15 Hopeless1der wrote:

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- waiting on rayn to come back, he inevitably will, most likely within the next 15 hours. If he isnt back before ~5 hours to deadline I say we lynch him, otherwise he's likely town

- Coag is town

- HF is scummy

- DP is leaning town

- Palmar is town (not green town)

Anything else you feel I could actually comment on at this point that wouldnt be meaningless speculation?

On March 19 2014 11:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
i cant do that thrawn. rayn would be town due to statistics, not because of a particular read. p.s. i'm going to bed now.

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Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:04 GMT

#1123

You can't possibly say "if he comes back he is likely town" unless you have a read on me. That's impossible.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:12 GMT

#1127

Hopeless do you think VE is likely town?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:13 GMT

#1128

If you didn't come back after ragequitting on coag's seal you'd be scummy because rayn doesnt do that shit as either alignment.

I can do, and i will do whatever i want. If i policy vote for something it is fucking sure i will not come back if i say so. You should know it because you have seen me do it.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:15 GMT

#1129

I am likely to be town because mafia will most likely shoot me if i am town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:19 GMT

#1132

On March 19 2014 23:17 Holyflare wrote:
lol forgot hopeless was modding culture (last game) where rayn was town and afk'd after a policy vote and he like never came back till after deadline, so why did you mention the ~5 hour thing being scummy on rayn when you know that not to be true?

wait what?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:23 GMT

#1136

On March 19 2014 23:20 Holyflare wrote:

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hopeless was a mod in culture, you went afk for a good portion of day 1 because you got mad at some shit like mocsta and were just sheeping me instead, you were town and afk'd past deadline after getting mad?

Well this is not true.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:30 GMT

#1142

On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?

I am okay with lynching both of them. I have played many games with Hopeless and only one (that i know of) with Giggletummy so i am not 100% sure of him being mafia and in my opinion there is more evidence on Hopeless being mafia. Giggletummy is definitely my #2 scumread.

That being said you need to explain why your case makes me mafia. You basically said i called out scummy stuff and that makes me scum. That's really bad.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:32 GMT

#1145

I am basically offering Giggletummy time to explain himself against the points brought up on him.
Hopeless has had time and i don't like the explanations.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:35 GMT

#1147

On March 19 2014 23:32 Koshi wrote:
rayn, don't you think Hopeless is too active to be scum?

I do not think activity is a scum or a towntell. I use activity as meta to determine who to look more into but ultimately i base my reads on what people say and why they say what they do. Every single person is capable of having 20 pages of filter on D1, that is a fact, if they just write whatever crap.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:36 GMT

#1149

On March 19 2014 23:33 Koshi wrote:
But he can be active as scum though. I just remember him to not do it unless needed (Time to die, Shadowed)

What makes you think he does not need to be active if he is mafia atm?
Do you think he is not one of the top lynch candidates at the moment?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:37 GMT

#1151

On March 19 2014 23:35 Djodref wrote:

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No, I wanted to say that his meta argument was really light. Now that we know that Coag is town, there was no real way for him to know if it was kush or not so the meta argument was not acceptable imo.

Where did i make a meta-argument?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:44 GMT

#1157

On March 19 2014 23:40 Djodref wrote:

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No, I want to say that you pushing town Coag with not enough arguments and not doing really anything else before announcing that you would go AFK makes you look bad in my eyes.

So you are basing your read on me purely on the fact that:

I called out stuff you yourself said is scummy
I made a meta-argument (which i didn't)
I didn't do anything else (which is invalid because i have done everything else, i have talked about every player in the game so your read is at best outdated)
I made "not enough arguments" on Coag (i don't even know what this means)
Apparenty you think my arguments on him were bad which contradicts what you said earlier and you have never explained which arguments were bad and why

Again, what's your case on me?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 19 2014 14:45 GMT

#1158

On March 19 2014 23:43 Djodref wrote:

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Here.

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"If that's kush he is mafia" =/= "That is kush and he is mafia".

Did i, in your opinion, ever push the argument as "that is kush and he is mafia".
If i did, show me where, if i didn't, why are you making shit up?