EPTIII Titanic Mini Mafia: MS Paint Edition - Page 60
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On March 20 2014 00:02 Palmar wrote: I agree with rayn's point about that bolded sentence. That looks like an observation townOats would make. I want you to play more and post more Oats. I also want to play more but I cannot wrap my mind around the last 2 pages at all. We should be lynching into Giggle/Djo/poof today. at least 1 scum probably more. Anyone not voting for one of these 3 is playing in an antitown manner and shall be shunned. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On March 20 2014 00:03 Palmar wrote: Thing is it's annoying having seen how good Oats can be as town (foundation mafia) that he isn't trying as hard. It doesn't make him scum because he's also very often lurky and useless as town, it would just be vastly preferable if he wasn't. That's why it has been annoying for the last 6 months.  He's always been good if he wants to be, sadly he hasn't wanted to be good besides Foundation. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On March 19 2014 09:55 Holyflare wrote: Also giggletummy, you agree with part of my post and then vote me? What are you doing? On March 19 2014 10:25 Holyflare wrote: Giggletummy most probably: In really small mafia: Hist filter despite the amount of stuff I was saying and pushing and the amount of crap that was going on, he was really hesitant to put down votes without questioning people (in really small mafia) in this game he has pretty much done nothing, agreed with part of my post on DP and then voted me despite agreeing with me...? Without asking any questions at all. Completely different play. for these reasons | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Then i try to clarify my case on Hopeless and then we'll see where to look for. Okay? I am mainly talking to HF, Palmar, Oats, Koshi too if he wants to participate. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Dont post too much. Force VE and Alak to talk somehow. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On March 20 2014 00:03 Holyflare wrote: well it was straightforward for hopeless: I made a joke post against dp and then another one about the coag hydra and him being scum because of it but used "definitive language", hopeless jumped on it and called me scum because I did stuff like this in culture mini mafia, he referenced the term "scooby doo" which I used in really small mafia where I did the same thing but was town. It looked like he was cherry picking meta to paint me in a scummy light for people that did not know about those games and was very scummy until he explained his logic, he still hasn't backed off of me and is still defending stuff about that which happened in the first like 2 hours of the game instead of commenting about anything else in the game dp's post count is irrelevant, it was his posting style that led me onto him but i'm backing off of him for a bit because people don't like me talking about it i already explained about the agreeing thing because you're misreading it x_x it's nothing to do with rayn and all about dp Whatever, rayn says you're town and I think rayn is town. You get a pass today. I cba arguing with you anyway, you're really boring to argue with when you're mafia. Again, you're misunderstanding my point about the DP post, the post reached no conclusion and I agreed no conclusion could be made. The Hopeless thing looks perfectly okay to me, but maybe that's because I have no clue what happened in scoopy doo. He literally said "that's not very scoopy doo" so I assumed his point was that you were playing differently from what had happened in that game, which is reasonable. | ||
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Giggletummy
Pitcairn200 Posts
Step 1: Original posts on DP + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 06:40 Holyflare wrote: I have a theory. DP thinks this game is scum favoured. DP likes keeping his town ratio up. DP requests scum so as not to lose town win ratio. DP is scum. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/poLOdtj.png) On March 19 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote: and here is the proof: Insta votes the coag hydra even though he has categorically stated that they are op as town and crap at scum, follows through with a shit policy when even in previous games he states: (witchcraft as town) and doesn't try and find the alignment of the hydra! Has 1 page of filter already and it says nothing compared to most of the start to his games! gg 1 scum down First bit is trolly. The last couple posts are either intending to draw a reaction from DP, start the game rolling, all that good jazz (townie), or are bad reasons to call someone mafia. Asstons of people push RNG lynch and never do it. People talk policy and never do it. People say LAL and never do it. People call for policy lynches or not policy lynches of specific players all the time and never do either. Nobody, nobody is mafia for the specific reason that they think hydras are good as town and bad as scum but then votes to lynch them, in opposition to what is basically a one-liner in another game with a stupid policy comment. So either he's trying to draw reactions or he's got really questionable logic. Step 2: Flare pushes forward + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 07:01 Holyflare wrote: 2nd scum found! Follows the theory presented by Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney! but refuses to acknowledge that it happened and wants to frame town member Holyflare as the culprit! Inexcusable scum behaviour. Who is our day 3 lynch? On March 19 2014 07:08 Holyflare wrote: How does that apply here at all? In that regard I am thus bussing DP because that's what I do in my scum games. Therefore the case is in fact not horrible and you should sheep it. If I am town, I am generally correct and thus in fact you should sheep it. Either way, painting me in a negative light based on 1 game (whereas dp has stated anti policy things in numerous games, check the DB and past game filters) but still does it here. Furthermore, his overdefensive nature was seen very heavily in vengeful where he went full blow retard overreaction. This game is a much toned down version of that but still defensive because he doesn't like being critiqued. It is easy to find scum DP and I have done it. Follow me. Oh scummy number 2. On March 19 2014 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Read the last few posts of DP's. "Hmm Holyflare did this as scum.. Hmm, Holyflare did this as town! Hmm, it's best to just let him post and it's pretty straightfoward! Hmmmmm..... maybe Holyflare is scum" wtf is that? There's no strong entry questioning a lot of logic, there's no pointing out errors there's nothing.. just pointless wifom, interesting that you liked that weak as hell post though Palmar. On March 19 2014 07:26 Holyflare wrote: joy? Nothing really, he gets angry as both alignments sure. Yet, to push him slightly and get those overly defensive posts at the same time as spreading useless posts is actually hinting more at a scum alignment to DP. It's like trying to troll while spreading doubt and when he gets called out on things it's "oh but it was just a joke see?". I don't think it looked too jokey, or more - too trying to be jokey with a hint of truth than anything. Look at his opening in town games, it's always inquisitive, questioning, pushing! Here, it is not. On March 19 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote: But koshi that is overdefensive. He should know people are wrong about him and realise they are making up shit and then people idly sheeping look scummy as hell but the over paranoia of everyone thinking you are scum is scummy though. Flare still has DP mafia, and makes a good point about overdefensiveness after being called out. If he was fishing for reactions/trying to get game rolling, he hit something and ran with it. Keep that in mind. However, the hopeless bit here is poop soup. In response to hopeless not jumping to vote DP and noting that Flare bussed a teammates in Cultured, Flare argues that hopeless is also mafia because, essentially, if Flare was town he's had good reads in the past and therefore must be right on DP, and if Flare is scum then he's got to be bussing DP. Either way, DP is scum, and so Hopeless should be agreeing with Flare, or at least voting DP - it's a good read or a bus. The poop soupy part is that this statement is based on that idea that bussing one guy in one game = always bus never not bus. I have never seen anyone do that. Seriously look at this. Flare calls hopeless mafia based on reasoning that says "you said I bussed a guy one time, therefore you should be thinking I always and only bus teammates, and so my target has to be scum." Again, either Flare is doubling down and really trying to draw out reactions from more people now or he's got really really really really really questionable logic. Step 3: Followup I'm not, ya big dingus. I asked Flare for his current thoughts about DP because, again, I don't know what Flare's agenda is early. That's why I wanted a current read. I expect either: (1) I was fishing for a reaction. I got a scummy one. Therefore, DP is scum. He's done some stuff since, but I don't care, original reasons stand. (See this post, which is why I marked it - + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 08:44 Koshi wrote: I didn't like your early posting. I didn't like the non committal stuff. I didn't like the defensive attitude of other posts. I was reading the thread and I was actually looking at your posts strangely and then people put pressure on you and I simply +1 on everything. because I felt that needed to be done and they had a point. Out of everybody I really believe you had a really weak-ass start and I gave you a scummy point. The point is already put down and cannot be erased. -Koshi his judgement- (2) I thought he was scummy at the start, then he's done x and y, so now I've altered my read a little bit. Shows Flare thinking about the thread, actually updating his read with whatever DP does, generally trying to figure out someone's alignment without knowing it. (3) Tunnel city without going back and discussing fishing/whatever. Think of Flare's suspicion of DP as a building that Flare is constructing. Flare built one good story of the building up high, noting that DP never followed up the hopeless questions. But the bottom of the building was constructed poorly, it doesn't bear the weight of the top. His initial DP suspicion is for a strange policy/hydra reason that I don't think has anything to do with alignments. He added a suspicion of hopeless based off the idea that hopeless should be thinking that Flare busses everyone always. He built his early game out of bad suspicions. When Flare returned to thread with nothing but more reasons why DP is mafia and only mafia, it showed me that he was just piling on and on, building off this very early suspicion that shouldn't have been legitimate. The fact that I think the bit about DP never following on hopeless questions is immaterial to a read on Flare. Whether Flare is town or mafia, he needs to be finding things that DP has done that are scummy to push his read. It's not like mafia Flare would only be presenting crappy reasons, he has to find something decent to push. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38798 Posts
On March 20 2014 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno Koshi, do you think he is scum? I think he should not be your top townread. But I read your post and Oats is back off my lynch list for today. Are you sure that HF is town? He posted enough to actually have a good read on. But I am not good reading him because we don't play that much. Hogwarts I was off by a mile and Survivor I somewhat knew it but I didn't utter 1 word about it ever. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On March 20 2014 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote: I also want to play more but I cannot wrap my mind around the last 2 pages at all. We should be lynching into Giggle/Djo/poof today. at least 1 scum probably more. Anyone not voting for one of these 3 is playing in an antitown manner and shall be shunned. Did you just drop your earlier suspicions of thrawn? you even voted him I think. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On March 19 2014 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you even read my case on Coag? Is there anything about kush? What the fuck are you talking about, seriously? I read your case on Coag. You had a point but it doesn't justify in my eyes that you could have him pinned as mafia like this. After that, you made some posts like "if this is kush then he is mafia" and I assume that you use them to push your lynch (did you not?). And I don't like these posts. Can we give up this pointless argument now ? I don't feel like it's going anywhere. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On March 20 2014 00:10 Palmar wrote: Did you just drop your earlier suspicions of thrawn? you even voted him I think. yeah i just dropped my suspicions. Correct. What was that Giggle. Is there even a conclusion to that whole chunk of text? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Die pls. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38798 Posts
On March 20 2014 00:11 Djodref wrote: I read your case on Coag. You had a point but it doesn't justify in my eyes that you could have him pinned as mafia like this. After that, you made some posts like "if this is kush then he is mafia" and I assume that you use them to push your lynch (did you not?). And I don't like these posts. Can we give up this pointless argument now ? I don't feel like it's going anywhere. It's up to you to bring something fresh. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On March 20 2014 00:10 Giggletummy wrote: tl;dr The ministry of population control has passed a No-Lynching resolution on Holyflare. You're getting lynched instead. On behalf of the state of liquidia we thank you for your co-operation. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
the post you tagged from koshi is why dp is mafia, it's nothing to do with the original "case" which was also a troll | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38798 Posts
I hope you are around to answer questions after that case. Only dropping that in the thread and fucking off will look really really really bad. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On March 20 2014 00:12 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah i just dropped my suspicions. Correct. What was that Giggle. Is there even a conclusion to that whole chunk of text? Based on what? His amazing townread on poof and his incredible insight that I can't be trusted as town because I'm not talking to myself? | ||
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