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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2014 15:26 GMT
#1201
Did giggle just leave? x__x
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 15:28 GMT
#1202
Maybe he's invisible.
Computer says mafia
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
March 19 2014 15:32 GMT
#1203
On March 19 2014 13:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Holyflare's case on Hopeless is really good. I think Hopeless is mafia. He in fact DID reference to the scooby-doo game where Holyflare was town, he used the exact wording so he has read the game. Then he gives another example fully knowing Holyflare has done the same thing as both alignments and therefore his "case" (or accusation, i don't even know what the hell that is) is an outright lie. Hopeless is mafia, Holyflare is town.
How can you say that a case/read starting off from:

If I'm town I'm awesome so lynch my couple hours into D1 target
If I'm mafia, you know I bus, so lynch my target

a good case?


I think you're failing to look at the whole. Still reading, but please give thoughts, specifically, on that initial post from Flare.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
March 19 2014 15:35 GMT
#1204
Flare/hopeless, and to a lesser extent DP.

hopeless, do you tend to AFK or lurk as mafia? More than town games?
Flare, after hopeless answers, do you agree with hopeless's answer?

I see you calling out what town/scum DP does, what other people do, but if hopeless is actually known for being lurky/AFK as mafia, why would you not just wait for a clear scumtell in a little bit?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2014 15:36 GMT
#1205
-.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- it's NOTHING to do with that "case" because those posts were troll posts, he's referencing the scooby doo game that YOU were in and I was town but using another game where I did the same thing as scum as his point to use against me without mentioning i did it as town in really small!
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
March 19 2014 15:37 GMT
#1206
nm on that last question, there's some other comments about mafia hopeless activity
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2014 15:41 GMT
#1207
what are you doing...? you post a case on me but you clearly are reading through the thread and making questions on what you see... so why maintain the scum read on me when you haven't fully caught up?
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
March 19 2014 15:43 GMT
#1208
On March 20 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote:
-.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- it's NOTHING to do with that "case" because those posts were troll posts, he's referencing the scooby doo game that YOU were in and I was town but using another game where I did the same thing as scum as his point to use against me without mentioning i did it as town in really small!
Nuh uh. Earlier was the time to say "those were troll posts."

I'm also not buying that you start the game trolling, choose two people to troll, and they both just so happen to be mafia and you're gonna tunnel tunnel tunnel.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 19 2014 15:44 GMT
#1209
On March 20 2014 00:35 Giggletummy wrote:
Flare/hopeless, and to a lesser extent DP.

hopeless, do you tend to AFK or lurk as mafia? More than town games?
Flare, after hopeless answers, do you agree with hopeless's answer?

I see you calling out what town/scum DP does, what other people do, but if hopeless is actually known for being lurky/AFK as mafia, why would you not just wait for a clear scumtell in a little bit?

I generally lurk and make random one-liners until I'm threatened with lynch. Regardless of alignment. I guess I'm more light and open as town? The usual, stereotypical, cliche tells.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2014 15:46 GMT
#1210
On March 20 2014 00:43 Giggletummy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote:
-.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- it's NOTHING to do with that "case" because those posts were troll posts, he's referencing the scooby doo game that YOU were in and I was town but using another game where I did the same thing as scum as his point to use against me without mentioning i did it as town in really small!
Nuh uh. Earlier was the time to say "those were troll posts."

I'm also not buying that you start the game trolling, choose two people to troll, and they both just so happen to be mafia and you're gonna tunnel tunnel tunnel.


um no it really wasn't? You think I make a legitimate case on someone that says "if im scum i'll kill coag" "if i'm town i'll kill coag" without trolling for reactions?

You think I don't know that telling someone to sheep me because I bus/or am right is trolling? You can quite clearly see in my posts that I jump to serious as soon as he mentions scooby doo
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 15:47 GMT
#1211
Now here is what Hopeless says at the start of the game about Holyflare:
On March 19 2014 06:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
That's not very scoobydoo...I'd rather lynch holy based on that casework.

On March 19 2014 07:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did.

Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it.

I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah.

when was this...stupid and terrible holyflare is scum

On March 19 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
cultured: he went full choose your own adventure mode, bussed a teammate for all the towncred and soloed to victory off championship belt reputation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia

On March 19 2014 09:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 09:43 Palmar wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:35 Holyflare wrote:
First and foremost, these 3 things do not go together. Palmar likes DP's post, thinks it's good logic (wut?) and then states later that it had nothing to do with rayns alignment, it was an observation from DP that he liked. He still sticks by this despite me saying that this is something rayn does as either alignment and DP SHOULD know that. It was super weird to point out from DP and even more weird for Palmar to like despite everything that had already happened. Not to mention, DP further calls that post a "joke" but Palmar still likes it despite him admitting it said nothing of value.


You pointing out rayn does this as either alignment is completely irrelevant, I already said it wasn't alignment indicative which is essentially the same thing.

Remember that story I told earlier about refusing to lynch a townie based on a post 5 minutes into the game? The post's contents were "lolol". There was literally nothing else in the post. There is no connection between "Palmar likes a post" and "Palmar thinks this post provides something of value". If I thought DP had a good point, I'd have said so. All I said was that I liked the post, it looked like something written by a townie.

The "solid logic" is a tounge in cheek post.

why are you so serious HF?


he's either buddying (scummy) or inferring things about your posts that aren't there (possibly scummy). whats your game history like with HF?

Now Hopeless thinks Holyflare is mafia. What are the possible reasons for thinking this based on his posts:
  • Bad meta-case on DarthPunk (which was a joke)
  • His behavior matches with Cultured where he made a mini-game and bussed his teammate based on it (why else he would make the post about Cultured game?)
  • Post about Palmar that is bad logic


Based on Hopeless posting there is no other reason why he should think Holyflare is mafia or he is not telling us everything. Now this is what he says later on:
On March 19 2014 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
for the sake of transparency, I did not read the game holy is talking about. I know that he "caught" his scumbuddy off of "scooby doo" and completely fooled rayn and the rest of town in cultured. In that game it was both true and a moderately reliable tell that he used. This game he did not have that in his push on either DP or me.


On March 19 2014 11:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 10:26 suki wrote:
Someone tell me what HolyFlare is doing.

In the meantime:

[image loading]


so you are saying this was the post you "scoobydoo'd" suki with in culture? I dont know what scooby doo means, i inferred that it simply meant caught a scummer.

At any rate, all this results in is that Really Small (i think, whatever game you caught GGTemplar in referred to below) and Cultured both show you using this "method". There was a reason for it, and afaik it came down to
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 21:52 Holyflare wrote:
On February 26 2014 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting:
So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail?
Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it.

Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list

Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning?
I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on.

I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key.
Also I might lynch JJD.


Well in really small mafia I did the scooby doo thing and the way I caught GGTemplar was from his joining in with the mini game while questioning what the hell was going on and perpetuating that I was clogging up the thread. Suki did a similar start to this but didn't perpetuate it, hence why I wanted to let her post more to see if she would.

Either way, her posting style was quite evident in her town games and I haven't seen it here yet but she's promised to deliver more later so I can only wait and see.

My initial comments were that your case on DP hinged on him /outing due to hydras then policying hydras (i.e. bullshit pregame stuff). Its stupid and terrible and by no means should anyone have considered it a scumtell.

Now look at the blue, red and green part of the posting history of Hopeless:
  • In the blue part he clearly references to the games where Holyflare has used a mini-game.
  • In the red part he says he has not in fact read those games closely (which can't be true because he directly references to Scooby Doo which was the original mini game Holyflare created as town, here)
  • In the green part he contradicts himself by saying he does not know what Scooby Doo means. That cannot possibly be true because again, in this very part, he directly references to the game (Really Small mafia) Holyflare did it. He also contradicts the blue part because in the blue part he clearly implies Holyflare is mafia based on a mini game he did as scum. But he has done that as town too and Hopeless does not address this at all until here.




TLDR;
  • The blue-red-green part is an obvious contradiction and there is something that does not make sense. Most likely the blue part is to try making someone look bad with using only partial information (only referencing to scumgame and not looking the whole picture) while knowing (green proves that) something is not alignment indicative.
  • Other reasons for calling Holyflare mafia are not good as stated before. The meta-case on DarthPunk was a joke and Hopeless does not follow up on this in any way when Holyflare answers him. The Palmar post is a stretch because Holyflare is not inferring anything, at least Hopeless never points anything concrete out. he just says Holyflare does something without explaining where.
  • I still stand behind my statement that you can't say "rayn is likely town" unless you have a read on me and therefore i conclude Hopeless made a baseless read on me, did not give any real reasoning and when thrawn questioned him about it he could not answer and instead he just changed his story because he did not have real answers or thought process.
  • There is nothing else he has done in this game besides given some reads that are worth nothing because there is no reasoning behind them.


And that's why i think Hopeless is mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 15:48 GMT
#1212
On March 20 2014 00:46 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 00:43 Giggletummy wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote:
-.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- it's NOTHING to do with that "case" because those posts were troll posts, he's referencing the scooby doo game that YOU were in and I was town but using another game where I did the same thing as scum as his point to use against me without mentioning i did it as town in really small!
Nuh uh. Earlier was the time to say "those were troll posts."

I'm also not buying that you start the game trolling, choose two people to troll, and they both just so happen to be mafia and you're gonna tunnel tunnel tunnel.


um no it really wasn't? You think I make a legitimate case on someone that says "if im scum i'll kill coag" "if i'm town i'll kill coag" without trolling for reactions?

You think I don't know that telling someone to sheep me because I bus/or am right is trolling? You can quite clearly see in my posts that I jump to serious as soon as he mentions scooby doo

He mentioned scoopy doo before you made the "sheep me cause I bus or right" post.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 15:49 GMT
#1213
I think
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 15:51 GMT
#1214
So while I don't think it's particularly interesting, in all fairness you can't really claim the sheep bus/right post was joking if you're telling the truth about going serious mode when he mentioned scooby doo.

hence, my reservations about that post, as I took it as serious too.
Computer says mafia
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2014 15:51 GMT
#1215
wow a multiple point post by rayn. Shit just got real.
I will read it later when home and vote Hopeless.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2014 15:52 GMT
#1216
rayn that's wrong
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 15:53 GMT
#1217
On March 20 2014 00:51 Koshi wrote:
I will read it later when home and vote Hopeless.


This koshi
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2014 15:53 GMT
#1218
I mentioned scooby doo in culture and I also linked really small mafia for him to read in this game, he thought scooby doo only referenced culture mini mafia although the way he mentions the scooby doo thing is totally wrong
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 15:54 GMT
#1219
wait scooby doo isn't a real game? is it a thing from a game?
Computer says mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 15:54 GMT
#1220
On March 19 2014 09:08 Giggletummy wrote:
[...]
I do not enjoy it and have started "heavily skimming" all coag <--> rayn stuff.

rayn looks worse for it, because rayn can be useful when he's bouncing all the walls and accusing everyone of being mafia. I assume that I'm not the only one who is now "heavily skimming" his posts when they involve coag and coag things.

I don't actually follow who coag is this game (coag, coag/kush, coag/kush + more?). But he's posting a bunch so even if it's this fight with rayn that makes me happy. Double standard ftw

Red part is why Giggletummy is mafia.

The read on me is completely crap. There is no explanation on why i look bad. The post basically says "rayn is mafia because he is questioning his scumread instead of questioning everyone" which is really really bad.

He does not say Coag is town,. he does not give reasons why my questioning is scummy, he does not say anything at all. He just says i look bad because i question Coag. That is a totally forged read that makes absolutely no sense from town perspective.

Lynch with fire and Hopeless.
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