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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 19 2014 16:15 GMT
#1241
On March 20 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point about Scooby doo is that there is no fucking reason for Hopeless to bring up the Cultured argument in thread in the first place if he does not think it makes Holyflare mafia and the argument is either forged as fuck or totally incorrect and Hopeless is the laziest guy on the planet because he does not even bother to to check the validity of his arguments. Neither of the options makes any sense from town perspective!!

rayn...I did not, have not and probably will not read Really Small.

I know what game it was because its in Holy's filter in Cultured, where he explained what scoobydooing someone is with respect to catching GGTemplar.

There's no conflict in logic or reasoning here. I didnt have a full blown scum read on Holy when I mentioned scooby doo the first time, I was simply saying his case on DP was poop soup to quote giggles.

Okay let's go from the beginnig.
Why did you make this post:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
cultured: he went full choose your own adventure mode, bussed a teammate for all the towncred and soloed to victory off championship belt reputation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia


DP asked if HF has done stupid things as scum before, I consider choose your adventure stupid. I referred DP to cultured and gave a very brief synopsis of HF's play in that game if he was so inclined to review what occured in it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2014 16:16 GMT
#1242
On March 20 2014 01:11 Giggletummy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:04 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:00 Palmar wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:48 Palmar wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:46 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:43 Giggletummy wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote:
-.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- it's NOTHING to do with that "case" because those posts were troll posts, he's referencing the scooby doo game that YOU were in and I was town but using another game where I did the same thing as scum as his point to use against me without mentioning i did it as town in really small!
Nuh uh. Earlier was the time to say "those were troll posts."

I'm also not buying that you start the game trolling, choose two people to troll, and they both just so happen to be mafia and you're gonna tunnel tunnel tunnel.


um no it really wasn't? You think I make a legitimate case on someone that says "if im scum i'll kill coag" "if i'm town i'll kill coag" without trolling for reactions?

You think I don't know that telling someone to sheep me because I bus/or am right is trolling? You can quite clearly see in my posts that I jump to serious as soon as he mentions scooby doo

He mentioned scoopy doo before you made the "sheep me cause I bus or right" post.


yes but I didn't read into it until he mentioned it as a reason for calling me scum based on the game that didn't include scooby doo

On March 19 2014 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
On March 19 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
cultured: he went full choose your own adventure mode, bussed a teammate for all the towncred and soloed to victory off championship belt reputation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia


How does that apply here at all? In that regard I am thus bussing DP because that's what I do in my scum games. Therefore the case is in fact not horrible and you should sheep it. If I am town, I am generally correct and thus in fact you should sheep it. Either way, painting me in a negative light based on 1 game (whereas dp has stated anti policy things in numerous games, check the DB and past game filters) but still does it here. Furthermore, his overdefensive nature was seen very heavily in vengeful where he went full blow retard overreaction. This game is a much toned down version of that but still defensive because he doesn't like being critiqued. It is easy to find scum DP and I have done it.

Follow me. Oh scummy number 2.



God I hate talking about all these games I have no clue about.

If I understand you correctly, the point still stands, the "sheep cause right/bus" is after he mentioned that game and thus you had already gone serious mode when you posted that, and thus you can't claim it's a joke.


you think someone says sheep me because i'm bussing or right as a legitimate "case"? because that's what giggletummy is saying i'm doing
You're wrong on the turning point of why I think you're mafia. The early trolling can be a townie trying to draw reactions and get reads or it can be someone just trying to appear like they're contributing and doing that. It's the followup that matters, and figuring out which you were doing.


well i'm not because the entirety of your point on me on hopeless is about the poop soup "case" on him about bussing? when in fact the real case was that he mentioned a game where I did something as town but only used the game where I did it as scum as a reason for calling me scum

you have also failed to answer my questions, why is your gameplay so much more different here than it is in really small mafia? you had to ask so many questions and be pushed so much to vote or be convinced on someone that was very scummy and even then you were asking them questions. Right off the bat here you are making accusations and putting down votes without doing any of the inquisitive things you were doing in really small mafia


raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 16:17 GMT
#1243
On March 20 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point about Scooby doo is that there is no fucking reason for Hopeless to bring up the Cultured argument in thread in the first place if he does not think it makes Holyflare mafia and the argument is either forged as fuck or totally incorrect and Hopeless is the laziest guy on the planet because he does not even bother to to check the validity of his arguments. Neither of the options makes any sense from town perspective!!

rayn...I did not, have not and probably will not read Really Small.

I know what game it was because its in Holy's filter in Cultured, where he explained what scoobydooing someone is with respect to catching GGTemplar.

There's no conflict in logic or reasoning here. I didnt have a full blown scum read on Holy when I mentioned scooby doo the first time, I was simply saying his case on DP was poop soup to quote giggles.

Okay let's go from the beginnig.
Why did you make this post:
On March 19 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
cultured: he went full choose your own adventure mode, bussed a teammate for all the towncred and soloed to victory off championship belt reputation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia


DP asked if HF has done stupid things as scum before, I consider choose your adventure stupid. I referred DP to cultured and gave a very brief synopsis of HF's play in that game if he was so inclined to review what occured in it.

DP was literally referring to the meta-case. What has that to do with mini games?
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 19 2014 16:19 GMT
#1244
HF I didn't actually understand what scooby doo meant. I interpretted it as having a legitimate reason to call someone scum, which at the time with DP you did not have. It was more tongue in cheek at first mention. I have since then reviewed your culture filter and actually understand what it means now.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 16:19 GMT
#1245
Like what you are saying now Hopeless is this:
DarthPunk: "Holyflare made a really bad meta-case on me. He has done this as town, does he do it as scum aswell?"
Hopeless: "He made a mini-game and bussed his godfather based on it. (He has also done a mini-game as town, which resulted in a scum lynch)"

Like what the hell?
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 19 2014 16:19 GMT
#1246
On March 20 2014 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point about Scooby doo is that there is no fucking reason for Hopeless to bring up the Cultured argument in thread in the first place if he does not think it makes Holyflare mafia and the argument is either forged as fuck or totally incorrect and Hopeless is the laziest guy on the planet because he does not even bother to to check the validity of his arguments. Neither of the options makes any sense from town perspective!!

rayn...I did not, have not and probably will not read Really Small.

I know what game it was because its in Holy's filter in Cultured, where he explained what scoobydooing someone is with respect to catching GGTemplar.

There's no conflict in logic or reasoning here. I didnt have a full blown scum read on Holy when I mentioned scooby doo the first time, I was simply saying his case on DP was poop soup to quote giggles.

Okay let's go from the beginnig.
Why did you make this post:
On March 19 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
cultured: he went full choose your own adventure mode, bussed a teammate for all the towncred and soloed to victory off championship belt reputation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia


DP asked if HF has done stupid things as scum before, I consider choose your adventure stupid. I referred DP to cultured and gave a very brief synopsis of HF's play in that game if he was so inclined to review what occured in it.

DP was literally referring to the meta-case. What has that to do with mini games?

not one thing.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 16:21 GMT
#1247
Holyflare eats bananas as town, Does anyone know if he does that as mafia too?
Yeah Holyflare eats apples as mafia and as town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 19 2014 16:22 GMT
#1248
+200 townie points to rayn for using fruits to explain things.
Computer says mafia
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 19 2014 16:22 GMT
#1249
On March 20 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless: "He made a mini-game and bussed his godfather based on it. (He has also done a mini-game as town, which resulted in a scum lynch)"

Like what the hell?

while true, i didnt intend to say that the gflynch was a result of the minigame (even though thats what scooby doo is, i didnt comprehend that before)
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 19 2014 16:22 GMT
#1250
i like oranges
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2014 16:24 GMT
#1251
For some reason I am inclined to believe Hopeless just based on reading his posts. Is he still scum when he made that comment about scoobydoo totally ignorant?
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 16:25 GMT
#1252
On March 20 2014 01:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless: "He made a mini-game and bussed his godfather based on it. (He has also done a mini-game as town, which resulted in a scum lynch)"

Like what the hell?

while true, i didnt intend to say that the gflynch was a result of the minigame (even though thats what scooby doo is, i didnt comprehend that before)

I don't care what you didn't intend to say.
I am interested in what you were intending to say with that post because in my opinion it has nothing to do with what DarthPunk askedd.
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Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
March 19 2014 16:28 GMT
#1253
On March 20 2014 01:16 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:11 Giggletummy wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:04 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:00 Palmar wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:48 Palmar wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:46 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:43 Giggletummy wrote:
On March 20 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote:
-.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- it's NOTHING to do with that "case" because those posts were troll posts, he's referencing the scooby doo game that YOU were in and I was town but using another game where I did the same thing as scum as his point to use against me without mentioning i did it as town in really small!
Nuh uh. Earlier was the time to say "those were troll posts."

I'm also not buying that you start the game trolling, choose two people to troll, and they both just so happen to be mafia and you're gonna tunnel tunnel tunnel.


um no it really wasn't? You think I make a legitimate case on someone that says "if im scum i'll kill coag" "if i'm town i'll kill coag" without trolling for reactions?

You think I don't know that telling someone to sheep me because I bus/or am right is trolling? You can quite clearly see in my posts that I jump to serious as soon as he mentions scooby doo

He mentioned scoopy doo before you made the "sheep me cause I bus or right" post.


yes but I didn't read into it until he mentioned it as a reason for calling me scum based on the game that didn't include scooby doo

On March 19 2014 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
On March 19 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
cultured: he went full choose your own adventure mode, bussed a teammate for all the towncred and soloed to victory off championship belt reputation
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia


How does that apply here at all? In that regard I am thus bussing DP because that's what I do in my scum games. Therefore the case is in fact not horrible and you should sheep it. If I am town, I am generally correct and thus in fact you should sheep it. Either way, painting me in a negative light based on 1 game (whereas dp has stated anti policy things in numerous games, check the DB and past game filters) but still does it here. Furthermore, his overdefensive nature was seen very heavily in vengeful where he went full blow retard overreaction. This game is a much toned down version of that but still defensive because he doesn't like being critiqued. It is easy to find scum DP and I have done it.

Follow me. Oh scummy number 2.



God I hate talking about all these games I have no clue about.

If I understand you correctly, the point still stands, the "sheep cause right/bus" is after he mentioned that game and thus you had already gone serious mode when you posted that, and thus you can't claim it's a joke.


you think someone says sheep me because i'm bussing or right as a legitimate "case"? because that's what giggletummy is saying i'm doing
You're wrong on the turning point of why I think you're mafia. The early trolling can be a townie trying to draw reactions and get reads or it can be someone just trying to appear like they're contributing and doing that. It's the followup that matters, and figuring out which you were doing.


well i'm not because the entirety of your point on me on hopeless is about the poop soup "case" on him about bussing? when in fact the real case was that he mentioned a game where I did something as town but only used the game where I did it as scum as a reason for calling me scum

you have also failed to answer my questions, why is your gameplay so much more different here than it is in really small mafia? you had to ask so many questions and be pushed so much to vote or be convinced on someone that was very scummy and even then you were asking them questions. Right off the bat here you are making accusations and putting down votes without doing any of the inquisitive things you were doing in really small mafia


I think that the entirety of this scooby doo thing is clogging the thread and is not helpful to anyone. People who continue to argue about it should be lynched or shot.

As far as meta, that game was instant majority where 4 votes got someone lynched. There are other reasons, but the two setups are wildly different.



Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 19 2014 16:29 GMT
#1254
On March 20 2014 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless: "He made a mini-game and bussed his godfather based on it. (He has also done a mini-game as town, which resulted in a scum lynch)"

Like what the hell?

while true, i didnt intend to say that the gflynch was a result of the minigame (even though thats what scooby doo is, i didnt comprehend that before)

I don't care what you didn't intend to say.
I am interested in what you were intending to say with that post because in my opinion it has nothing to do with what DarthPunk askedd.

Correct.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 16:30 GMT
#1255
Hmm i kinda get what Hopeless is saying here.
I still don't get the read on me, it just does not make any sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 16:32 GMT
#1256
Like i can understand you are referring to the "stupid and terrible Holyflare is mafia" comment.
Fuck maybe you are not scum after all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 16:32 GMT
#1257
Giggletummy, Djodref, Vivax.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 19 2014 16:33 GMT
#1258
On March 20 2014 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i can understand you are referring to the "stupid and terrible Holyflare is mafia" comment.
Fuck maybe you are not scum after all.
[image loading]

come to papa
Computer says mafia
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
March 19 2014 16:36 GMT
#1259
On March 19 2014 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:
Other than that i think koshi pretty town

Well this is pretty fucking annoying because i think this too. I have no idea what am i missing here because the Coag situation actually does affect to my reads. I don't think anyone should have had a townread on him and if they say "because he posted so much" is not a reliable tell considering they were something like 5-headed hydra. I have no idea why someone thought Coag was town at that point and if that's the case and it was reasonable to assume he was town please someone tell me why.
coag as mafia not only doesn't post but he doesn't even interact with the thread. There's some old game where he replaces in as mafia and essentially just made 1-2 posts a day, sometimes claiming not to know when lynch is or what day it is. coag posting a bunch and getting incensed is unlike that and more likely town coag. am i the only person who didn't know early on that coag was actually a boatload of people on his account?


raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 16:37 GMT
#1260
Hopeless who do you think is mafia?
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