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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 19 2014 17:00 GMT
#1281
like it's just retarded to expect people to think "BUT WHAT IF HE'S LYING ABOUT ALL THOSE POSTS BEING COAG POSTS"!!!!
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 19 2014 17:00 GMT
#1282
On March 20 2014 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote:
That Coag read isn't what makes GT mafia, it's the promising content/failing to deliver as I pointed out earlier that does.

No it's the read on me which is so bad it can't come from a townie.


he hasn't said he had a read on you at all, in fact he didn't even call you scummy for misrepresenting him like you did. He said we should stop clogging up the thread with the scooby doo stuff but then started all this coag stuff which has 0 relevance as he hasn't called you scum at all
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 19 2014 17:03 GMT
#1283
I think I hear phoenix wright calling in the distance
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2014 17:03 GMT
#1284
I would like to add officially that Palmar is the towniest town that towned in town.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 19 2014 17:04 GMT
#1285
On March 20 2014 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote:
That Coag read isn't what makes GT mafia, it's the promising content/failing to deliver as I pointed out earlier that does.

No it's the read on me which is so bad it can't come from a townie.


he hasn't said he had a read on you at all, in fact he didn't even call you scummy for misrepresenting him like you did. He said we should stop clogging up the thread with the scooby doo stuff but then started all this coag stuff which has 0 relevance as he hasn't called you scum at all

I have not misrepresented anything.
I called him mafia for making up a bullshit read ("rayn looks bad") on me based on absolutely nothing and without referencing any evidence why i actually look bad. He took a stance that makes no sense from town perspective, the only explanation i can think of is that he knew Coag is town (because he did not even look/reference the argument at all).
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 19 2014 17:05 GMT
#1286
He gave no reasons why i look bad.
"Because you argued with Coag in the first hour of the game and didn't do anything else" is not a valid reason. Never.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 19 2014 17:07 GMT
#1287
On March 20 2014 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote:
That Coag read isn't what makes GT mafia, it's the promising content/failing to deliver as I pointed out earlier that does.

No it's the read on me which is so bad it can't come from a townie.


he hasn't said he had a read on you at all, in fact he didn't even call you scummy for misrepresenting him like you did. He said we should stop clogging up the thread with the scooby doo stuff but then started all this coag stuff which has 0 relevance as he hasn't called you scum at all

I have not misrepresented anything.
I called him mafia for making up a bullshit read ("rayn looks bad") on me based on absolutely nothing and without referencing any evidence why i actually look bad. He took a stance that makes no sense from town perspective, the only explanation i can think of is that he knew Coag is town (because he did not even look/reference the argument at all).



I'm quoting what he was saying

Stop misrepresenting crap and stop believing that people can only be thinking one or two things. yeah, i'm absolutely saying you looked bad for just arguing and arguing with coag. it didn't go anywhere, it didn't help the thread, and it just spammed useless pages. just like all this scooby doo stuff.


He doesn't call you scummy or anything, just that you look bad. He doesn't even mention his earlier thought processes of me and dp just about this which had already happened at the time he was around anyway
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
March 19 2014 17:08 GMT
#1288
On March 20 2014 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck you, you literally just said this:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:36 Giggletummy wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:
Other than that i think koshi pretty town

Well this is pretty fucking annoying because i think this too. I have no idea what am i missing here because the Coag situation actually does affect to my reads. I don't think anyone should have had a townread on him and if they say "because he posted so much" is not a reliable tell considering they were something like 5-headed hydra. I have no idea why someone thought Coag was town at that point and if that's the case and it was reasonable to assume he was town please someone tell me why.
coag as mafia not only doesn't post but he doesn't even interact with the thread. There's some old game where he replaces in as mafia and essentially just made 1-2 posts a day, sometimes claiming not to know when lynch is or what day it is. coag posting a bunch and getting incensed is unlike that and more likely town coag. am i the only person who didn't know early on that coag was actually a boatload of people on his account?

It doesn't mean shit if there is one or a thousand people with him on the account.
The fact that there is even one other person makes your argument invalid.
it absolutely does mean something. kush signs some posts, coag signs some posts by calling out kush, when the hydra is just kush and coag, coag is identifiable as both coag and "not-kush". when there are way more people, "not-kush" doesn't matter and also

On March 20 2014 01:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:46 Giggletummy wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can you say someone "looks bad for their interactions with someone else" when you have not even read the interactions or the thread??

I can quote 20 posts where it's really clear Coag is hydra for anyone who has read the thread.


am i the only person who didn't know early on that coag was actually a boatload of people on his account?


there are a bunch of people who go "that post must have come from kush" or kush saying "yes this is me." If you point out 20 posts where coag says "i am a ton of people and you don't know us" before my comments on you and coag, be my guest.


talking about futile conversations, goes on to talk about even more futile conversations!

who do you actually think is mafia? if you disregard me because I am actually town and other people actually see that, what does that leave you with?
not actually futile. coag's identity is actually wrapped up in rayn's reads.

On March 20 2014 01:50 Palmar wrote:
Giggle, why did you not post even a summary or a hint of your thoughts on holyflare before leaving the thread last night? All you left was one quote from HF you "liked" I'm not even sure if that's meant to say you think it was a legit or a sarcastic "like".
planned on actually posting my case. Not gonna go, "next time on giggletummy posts a case, we took a look at holyflare's reasoning in post 458 and you'll be shocked at what we discovered!"

On March 20 2014 01:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless who do you think is mafia?

No good answer atm. I wouldnt lynch Holy but I dont like him much.

Giggles:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 08:58 Giggletummy wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:56 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:47 Giggletummy wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:44 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:37 DarthPunk wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2014 08:32 Koshi wrote:
The red reply thing? That was good.
3 people were saying rayn case was good. He had to reply.
rayn kept up pressure.
Coag kept replying. With more caps.

I don't see overdefensive.


Really. The all caps thing was not over defensive? But you agreed that I was over defensive.

On March 19 2014 07:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 07:12 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 07:11 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 07:10 Koshi wrote:
If anybody is interested I am following Holyflare atm.


What does that mean?

I think you are scummy scum.

Why? You need to provide reasoning or your position is meaningless.

I liked what Kush said.



On March 19 2014 07:19 Koshi wrote:
pointing out overdefensive post. Could be Coag. But it looks like Kush.



For this post:

On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did.

Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it.

I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah.



I want to know how on earth you though I was scummy/over defensive for that post, but Coag ragingin all caps was NOT over defensive. That seems like a very arbitrary decision for one thing to be over defensive and another far more defensive thing to not be.

I didn't like your early posting. I didn't like the non committal stuff. I didn't like the defensive attitude of other posts. I was reading the thread and I was actually looking at your posts strangely and then people put pressure on you and I simply +1 on everything. because I felt that needed to be done and they had a point.

Out of everybody I really believe you had a really weak-ass start and I gave you a scummy point. The point is already put down and cannot be erased.

-Koshi his judgement-
replying for reasons

Also what is this?
It is me noting something for reasons. Will discuss later, want to talk to Flare

I want this followup
followup is in Flare case. if flare's response was like that, "my read on DP is that he did this thing, got a scummy point, he's scum, who cares what he's done since," then I would have found it townie. it would show that his bad reasoning early on was likely fishing for reactions because the reaction really mattered to him.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 19 2014 17:09 GMT
#1289
On March 20 2014 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote:
That Coag read isn't what makes GT mafia, it's the promising content/failing to deliver as I pointed out earlier that does.

No it's the read on me which is so bad it can't come from a townie.


he hasn't said he had a read on you at all, in fact he didn't even call you scummy for misrepresenting him like you did. He said we should stop clogging up the thread with the scooby doo stuff but then started all this coag stuff which has 0 relevance as he hasn't called you scum at all

I have not misrepresented anything.
I called him mafia for making up a bullshit read ("rayn looks bad") on me based on absolutely nothing and without referencing any evidence why i actually look bad. He took a stance that makes no sense from town perspective, the only explanation i can think of is that he knew Coag is town (because he did not even look/reference the argument at all).



I'm quoting what he was saying

Show nested quote +
Stop misrepresenting crap and stop believing that people can only be thinking one or two things. yeah, i'm absolutely saying you looked bad for just arguing and arguing with coag. it didn't go anywhere, it didn't help the thread, and it just spammed useless pages. just like all this scooby doo stuff.


He doesn't call you scummy or anything, just that you look bad. He doesn't even mention his earlier thought processes of me and dp just about this which had already happened at the time he was around anyway

Oh right, good point.
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 19 2014 17:10 GMT
#1290
followup is in Flare case. if flare's response was like that, "my read on DP is that he did this thing, got a scummy point, he's scum, who cares what he's done since," then I would have found it townie. it would show that his bad reasoning early on was likely fishing for reactions because the reaction really mattered to him.


here's the problem you didn't ask me anything to do with that at all and I DO follow up with reasoning on why he is scum!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 19 2014 17:12 GMT
#1291
Palamr Giggletummy not posting a case right after promising to do so is not alignment indicative. There is no reason for mafia to clearly promise posting a case and then just not do it. They know they will be called out of it so what's the point? If mafia calls someone scum they know they are expected to post reasoning for it. It's not like he did not know what to say and just left because he could not follow up his earlier post.

I think it's bad logic to think so.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 19 2014 17:14 GMT
#1292
i'd probably lynch out of this group right now

4. djodref
6. VisceraEyes
8. Vivax
15. Alakaslam
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 19 2014 17:14 GMT
#1293
I can't believe we're spending time on these subjects that happened like 3 hours into the game when there's been an entire game since then -.-
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 19 2014 17:16 GMT
#1294
meh I didn't think djodref was that bad, don't like his disappearance though
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 19 2014 17:19 GMT
#1295
On March 20 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
meh I didn't think djodref was that bad, don't like his disappearance though


can you find a non-rayn read in djo's filter? i can't.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 19 2014 17:20 GMT
#1296
On March 20 2014 02:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
meh I didn't think djodref was that bad, don't like his disappearance though


can you find a non-rayn read in djo's filter? i can't.


can you find a non-me read that wasn't useless in hopeless' filter?

can you find any reads other than me in giggletummys filter?

can you read oats' alignment from such little amount of posting?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 19 2014 17:23 GMT
#1297
Hye all. I'm still catching up but I'm in the "Lynch Hopeless/GT" camp with rayn, I think poofter is probably town based on how he entered the thread, and I think that Holyflare and DP are both town too.

Give me a little bit to kinda parse through all these pages, but that's approximately where I'm at after skimming.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 19 2014 17:28 GMT
#1298
hopeless is town so i dont care about that question.

ggtmy should probably go on that list but there is something about how this stuff happened that makes me think he might be town:

On March 20 2014 00:10 Giggletummy wrote:

(1) I was fishing for a reaction. I got a scummy one. Therefore, DP is scum. He's done some stuff since, but I don't care, original reasons stand. (See this post, which is why I marked it - + Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2014 08:44 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 08:37 DarthPunk wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2014 08:32 Koshi wrote:
The red reply thing? That was good.
3 people were saying rayn case was good. He had to reply.
rayn kept up pressure.
Coag kept replying. With more caps.

I don't see overdefensive.


Really. The all caps thing was not over defensive? But you agreed that I was over defensive.

On March 19 2014 07:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 07:12 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 07:11 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 07:10 Koshi wrote:
If anybody is interested I am following Holyflare atm.


What does that mean?

I think you are scummy scum.

Why? You need to provide reasoning or your position is meaningless.

I liked what Kush said.



On March 19 2014 07:19 Koshi wrote:
pointing out overdefensive post. Could be Coag. But it looks like Kush.



For this post:

On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did.

Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it.

I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah.



I want to know how on earth you though I was scummy/over defensive for that post, but Coag ragingin all caps was NOT over defensive. That seems like a very arbitrary decision for one thing to be over defensive and another far more defensive thing to not be.

I didn't like your early posting. I didn't like the non committal stuff. I didn't like the defensive attitude of other posts. I was reading the thread and I was actually looking at your posts strangely and then people put pressure on you and I simply +1 on everything. because I felt that needed to be done and they had a point.

Out of everybody I really believe you had a really weak-ass start and I gave you a scummy point. The point is already put down and cannot be erased.

-Koshi his judgement-



as for oats, he had been consistently calling me scum up till a point where he wrote a lynch list that didn't innclude me, nowhere in his filter does it indicate that his read on me was changing before that lynch list post. his push on me wa a main component of his play so if he were scum i'd expect him to at least document the fact that his thrawn-read changed, if not give his reasons for the flop, given how scum want to keep their story straight. furthur, the fact that he has reads that change that aren't documented in his posts suggest that he is actualyl thinking about his reads even when he's not posting about them
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 19 2014 17:34 GMT
#1299
so your scum team is lurker 1,2,3 and 4 then?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 19 2014 17:37 GMT
#1300
On March 20 2014 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
so your scum team is lurker 1,2,3 and 4 then?


correct!

why is that an issue? we are in fact playing tlmafia right?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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