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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 19 2014 14:29 GMT
#1141
yeah this push is really bad by djo. Rayn is scummy for something you agree with? And you bring up way more townie points than scummy points on Rayn? Come on Djo.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 14:30 GMT
#1142
On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?

I am okay with lynching both of them. I have played many games with Hopeless and only one (that i know of) with Giggletummy so i am not 100% sure of him being mafia and in my opinion there is more evidence on Hopeless being mafia. Giggletummy is definitely my #2 scumread.

That being said you need to explain why your case makes me mafia. You basically said i called out scummy stuff and that makes me scum. That's really bad.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2014 14:32 GMT
#1143
rayn, don't you think Hopeless is too active to be scum?
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2014 14:32 GMT
#1144
djod, in regards to rayn. Now that coag has flipped town, doesn't this make your "how does he know it's kush" point irrelevant? It seemed like you were implying they were scum together, otherwise how else would he know what head of the hydra was posting?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 14:32 GMT
#1145
I am basically offering Giggletummy time to explain himself against the points brought up on him.
Hopeless has had time and i don't like the explanations.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2014 14:33 GMT
#1146
But he can be active as scum though. I just remember him to not do it unless needed (Time to die, Shadowed)
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 14:35 GMT
#1147
On March 19 2014 23:32 Koshi wrote:
rayn, don't you think Hopeless is too active to be scum?

I do not think activity is a scum or a towntell. I use activity as meta to determine who to look more into but ultimately i base my reads on what people say and why they say what they do. Every single person is capable of having 20 pages of filter on D1, that is a fact, if they just write whatever crap.
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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 14:35 GMT
#1148
On March 19 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
djod, in regards to rayn. Now that coag has flipped town, doesn't this make your "how does he know it's kush" point irrelevant? It seemed like you were implying they were scum together, otherwise how else would he know what head of the hydra was posting?


No, I wanted to say that his meta argument was really light. Now that we know that Coag is town, there was no real way for him to know if it was kush or not so the meta argument was not acceptable imo.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 14:36 GMT
#1149
On March 19 2014 23:33 Koshi wrote:
But he can be active as scum though. I just remember him to not do it unless needed (Time to die, Shadowed)

What makes you think he does not need to be active if he is mafia atm?
Do you think he is not one of the top lynch candidates at the moment?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2014 14:37 GMT
#1150
On March 19 2014 23:32 Koshi wrote:
rayn, don't you think Hopeless is too active to be scum?


I don't think he's active at all? What has he done this game? The only content in his filter is about why he pushed his scum read on me and that was 1 hour into the game and it's still pretty much the only thing he is talking about. The rest of his reads are all mostly unqualified "he must be town because statistically aren't most people"? Then... who is scum because statistically someone else has to be too?

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 14:37 GMT
#1151
On March 19 2014 23:35 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
djod, in regards to rayn. Now that coag has flipped town, doesn't this make your "how does he know it's kush" point irrelevant? It seemed like you were implying they were scum together, otherwise how else would he know what head of the hydra was posting?


No, I wanted to say that his meta argument was really light. Now that we know that Coag is town, there was no real way for him to know if it was kush or not so the meta argument was not acceptable imo.

Where did i make a meta-argument?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 14:39 GMT
#1152
HF you wanted to discuss thrawn.

Here, let's discuss this post.

On March 19 2014 18:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 18:30 Palmar wrote:
thrawn who are your top 3 town reads and why?


rayn - i watched him in foundation and what seemed most different in his play there compared to his town play is that he didn't seem as interested in finding scum, and he didn't appear to act like he was going to be a strong town leader. he knows his skill level and as town i think he usually feels a lot of repsonsibility for helping town win. It's a hard thing to pinpoint but this is probably the closest I can get:

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now i am srsly gonna go to bed. I hope we have an answer when i wake up.


It's stuff like that where I feel like rayn is sincerely trying to push town in a direction that he believe will help him lynch scum.

Another big reason is this post which is supposed to be from his notes during the time he rage quit the thread. I think it's a lot more likely that he did that (that = make notes during rage quite) as town than he did that as scum.

Koshi, mostly because he seems to be having fun and I can feel the thought behind his posts even when they aren't given.

I think tehpoofter is town. I already talked about my initial read on his post, and that read was further solidified by him claiming to have "set a trap" for vivax here

I don't think there's anyone else that I'd feel confident as labeling a "top" town read. I think both dp and hf are town but I can't get over this nagging doubt that one of them is full of crap.

Computer says mafia
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 14:40 GMT
#1153
On March 19 2014 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?

I am okay with lynching both of them. I have played many games with Hopeless and only one (that i know of) with Giggletummy so i am not 100% sure of him being mafia and in my opinion there is more evidence on Hopeless being mafia. Giggletummy is definitely my #2 scumread.

That being said you need to explain why your case makes me mafia. You basically said i called out scummy stuff and that makes me scum. That's really bad.


No, I want to say that you pushing town Coag with not enough arguments and not doing really anything else before announcing that you would go AFK makes you look bad in my eyes.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 19 2014 14:41 GMT
#1154
On March 19 2014 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:33 Koshi wrote:
But he can be active as scum though. I just remember him to not do it unless needed (Time to die, Shadowed)

What makes you think he does not need to be active if he is mafia atm?
Do you think he is not one of the top lynch candidates at the moment?

Well, Hopeless is somebody I could sheep you on. I wouldn't lynch him atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 14:42 GMT
#1155
If you could just go ahead and confirm your alignment HF that would clear up this game a whole lot.
Computer says mafia
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 14:43 GMT
#1156
On March 19 2014 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:35 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
djod, in regards to rayn. Now that coag has flipped town, doesn't this make your "how does he know it's kush" point irrelevant? It seemed like you were implying they were scum together, otherwise how else would he know what head of the hydra was posting?


No, I wanted to say that his meta argument was really light. Now that we know that Coag is town, there was no real way for him to know if it was kush or not so the meta argument was not acceptable imo.

Where did i make a meta-argument?


Here.

On March 19 2014 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn you say that he provides no insight of his own. Would you not say that calling it null is not an insight? Like it is a irrelevant conclusion but it is still a conclusion.

The point is he just drops a comment that's non-alignment indicative towards every direction.
There is nothing, the post achieves nothing and is designed to achieve nothing.
If that's kush he is mafia.


On March 19 2014 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is from the last game. kush does this shit all the time as mafia. He posts stuff that has no intention of achieving anything when he is mafia.
[snip]

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 14:44 GMT
#1157
On March 19 2014 23:40 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?

I am okay with lynching both of them. I have played many games with Hopeless and only one (that i know of) with Giggletummy so i am not 100% sure of him being mafia and in my opinion there is more evidence on Hopeless being mafia. Giggletummy is definitely my #2 scumread.

That being said you need to explain why your case makes me mafia. You basically said i called out scummy stuff and that makes me scum. That's really bad.


No, I want to say that you pushing town Coag with not enough arguments and not doing really anything else before announcing that you would go AFK makes you look bad in my eyes.

So you are basing your read on me purely on the fact that:
  • I called out stuff you yourself said is scummy
  • I made a meta-argument (which i didn't)
  • I didn't do anything else (which is invalid because i have done everything else, i have talked about every player in the game so your read is at best outdated)
  • I made "not enough arguments" on Coag (i don't even know what this means)
  • Apparenty you think my arguments on him were bad which contradicts what you said earlier and you have never explained which arguments were bad and why


Again, what's your case on me?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2014 14:45 GMT
#1158
On March 19 2014 23:43 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:35 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
djod, in regards to rayn. Now that coag has flipped town, doesn't this make your "how does he know it's kush" point irrelevant? It seemed like you were implying they were scum together, otherwise how else would he know what head of the hydra was posting?


No, I wanted to say that his meta argument was really light. Now that we know that Coag is town, there was no real way for him to know if it was kush or not so the meta argument was not acceptable imo.

Where did i make a meta-argument?


Here.

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn you say that he provides no insight of his own. Would you not say that calling it null is not an insight? Like it is a irrelevant conclusion but it is still a conclusion.

The point is he just drops a comment that's non-alignment indicative towards every direction.
There is nothing, the post achieves nothing and is designed to achieve nothing.
If that's kush he is mafia.


Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is from the last game. kush does this shit all the time as mafia. He posts stuff that has no intention of achieving anything when he is mafia.
[snip]


"If that's kush he is mafia" =/= "That is kush and he is mafia".

Did i, in your opinion, ever push the argument as "that is kush and he is mafia".
If i did, show me where, if i didn't, why are you making shit up?
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2014 14:45 GMT
#1159
His reads seem.... like my meta case on oats was in survivor you know? "I know this guys alignment so this meta makes sense".

I get the quoting the big post rayn made with his reads but if anything that would be something I'd point out pretty much straight away rather than after my meta explanation of rayn, especially as in foundation rayn wasn't in a qt with his scum team so he was demotivated from the start.

Koshi read is meh but I guess it's alright because I feel similar, just not put any effort in explaining it like he did to overjustify rayn?

poofter read is really odd because his posts aren't alignment indicative for a new player and that guy has experience of video mafia so to give a top 3 town read on him is strange compared to other people that were in the thread at the time, he says me and dp are towny but poofter weighs in above all of us with almost 0 content?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 14:47 GMT
#1160
I sort of agree I'm not thrilled with the idea of lynching Hopeless Koshi, but I don't think activity is a valid defense for him.

I'd much rather lynch somewhere in the general direction of poof, GT, thrawn or even VE/Slam. maaaaybe djodref.
Computer says mafia
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