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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 12:15 GMT
#1032
The best part is that arbitrary post count reads are classic Vivax logic.

Also, this long pre-game is really annoying. I'm trying to apply some great logic like checking filter lengths and some people have like a million posts pre-game, many pages.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 12:18 GMT
#1033
On March 19 2014 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
he didnt promise anything though.

the "I'm reading" comment while not a direct promise implies he is catching up with the thread.

But anyway it doesn't really matter.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 12:28 GMT
#1036
Oats I need your top 6 townreads or so for science and consistency checking. Please provide them. I don't need detailed reasoning and they don't have to be strong townreads, just literally "if I had to eliminate 6 people from the pool of possible lynches RIGHT NOW, what would I do?"
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 12:35 GMT
#1041
On March 19 2014 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually if you are town Palmar, then HF is pushing only townreads. Is that odd?

Yes but I'm not sure it makes him scum. As much as I dislike using meta HF is playing completely differently from his last game as scum. He has these strange things (I pointed out the hopeless case and the video mafia comment. He also called me out for agreeing with him or something, I can't remember but I explained earlier).

I don't think I'd want to lynch HF today in any case.

Hang on, I'm checking your list.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 12:40 GMT
#1046
On March 19 2014 21:37 Holyflare wrote:
Urgh palmar it wasn't anything to do with rayn and it still pains me you read it like that. I'm saying dp should have known better to say that rayn being away was odd when he does it as every alignment so it was weird you chose that post to comment on that you liked when it was terrible. It had nothing to do with rayn


This is the thing, I don't think it has anything to do with rayn and I said so earlier! You for some reason keep insisting that I thought it had anything to do with rayn.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 12:48 GMT
#1050
On March 19 2014 21:41 Holyflare wrote:
No i didn't and i just told you it had nothing to do with rayn other than implicating dp x_x


We're clearly not speaking the same language.

from my point of view you handed me a banana and said

HF: "Palmar, this is a banana"
Palmar: "yeah dude, totally is a banana".
HF: "Srsly Palmar THIS IS A FUCKING BANANA"
Palmar: "yeah I said, it's a banana"
HF: "wow palmar come one listen. This is a fucking banana and you know it"
Palmar: "yeah, I know"
HF: "So why can't you agree it's a banana?"
Palmar: "dude I agree, it's a banana"
HF: "FUCKING PALMAR, AGREE WITH ME ON THIS BANANA"
Palmar: "..."
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 12:51 GMT
#1054
On March 19 2014 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 15:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
On March 19 2014 15:06 Vivax wrote:
On March 19 2014 14:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
@vivax so to you the first person to call someone else scum off something is typically more mafia sided so what do you think of rayn? now that we know coag's flip do you think that speaks more positively or negatively of rayn?


Still have to read about that push from Rayn, and it's not just the first person to call somebody scum, it's about how quickly that person does it. Typically you would expect the majority of people to be townies so going instascum on somebody without poking first is what I would see as scummy, in that regard Holyflare's reaction looks townier than hopeless since DP reacted before HF went scum on him . I gtg now.



I like that. I feel like thats a reasonable arguement and I kinda set you up to bury rayn there or throw some suspicion on him espeiclaly since he just came in and rando voted and didnt say anything. I don't think you're maf unless you're maf with exactly rayn here. From just a preliminary read I like the place your head is at vivax.

Elaborate on this. Also you have a lot of unanswered questions in thread sir.

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 18:52 Palmar wrote:
I'm amazed you think tehpoofter looks better than me.

I agree on Koshi and rayn, although you didn't get the correct reasoning for Koshi's alignment. The reason Koshi is town is that during the whole Coag/rayn thing he was actively trying to move the thread on from that argument. I think rayn is town so there is literally no reason for scum to try to stop an argument between what seem to be two townies.

This basically means that Koshi should be everyone's favorite townread at the moment.

Definitely not a tonwtell and i am amazed you consider this as one.


How is it not? Knowing Coag's flip can you think of ANY reason at all for scumKoshi to do what he did during that discussion? If you're town, and from your point of view you have to be town, what motivation does a scumkoshi have to stop the argument between townies?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 12:52 GMT
#1055
On March 19 2014 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am also amazed people don't want to lycnh Hopeless who has clearly lied at least twice.

I'll be the first guy on the wagon if you show me where.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 13:08 GMT
#1069
On March 19 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar do you seriously think Koshi and Giggletummy should have had such a strong townread on Coag at that time?


I don't think that's even what Koshi said. hang on.

On March 19 2014 08:54 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also why are you defending Coag? Is there a reason why he needs defending Koshi?

I think that you should put a scummy mark next to Coag his name for that post if you feel the need, but not continue hammering same subject.

I am defending him because I feel that that 1 post is bringing him too much pain. And I don't feel the post is actually that scummy. It might be just sillyness he wrote down.


But sleep calls. My head is also heavy. Maybe tomorrow I will think different.


This is a perfectly valid stance.

This other guy though...

On March 19 2014 09:46 Giggletummy wrote:
Specific reasoning inc


longest delivery time earth. He is probably mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 13:10 GMT
#1072
On March 19 2014 22:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 22:04 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:
The only thing odd about koshi is when he said coag wasn't overdefending but agreed when coag said dp was overdefending for a lot less

What do you conclude about that?


Only scenario is that you know coag will post his seal under pressure so look good for defending him. Other than that, nothing. That's why i say you're pretty town disregarding that.

Talk about thrawn please


How about you explain exactly what your issue is? Your read is an associative read because he didn't include DP in the mix of his lynch targets.

Should we lynch thrawn for it?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 13:13 GMT
#1075
On March 19 2014 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's not reasoning Palmar. That's saying "i don't think he is mafia" without giving any reasoning at all!!!!


It's a stance and it's a valid stance. I did not say it was reasoning, I said it was a valid way of dealing with the situation if I meant "reasoning" I'd probably have said "reasoning" because that makes sense.

How about we just lynch this Giggle guy for failing to deliver promised content, oldest scumtell in the book.

Tempvote: giggle (will mspaint later).
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 13:15 GMT
#1076
also rayn, I will move to hopeless if you provide me with these lies you say he said. could you please do that instead of harping on this koshi thing, you seem to think he's town anyway.

Stop being mad, last time you were mad you were scum, I like happy kiterayn and dunkedrayn. Not this version.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 13:17 GMT
#1079
On March 19 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe i just stop posting because apparently it's not okay to question your scumreads for obvious contradictions.

Starting to lean that koshi was right when he accused you of being mad cause bad.

Go explain the hopeless thing.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 13:44 GMT
#1106
On March 19 2014 22:23 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 22:10 Palmar wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:07 Holyflare wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:04 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:
The only thing odd about koshi is when he said coag wasn't overdefending but agreed when coag said dp was overdefending for a lot less

What do you conclude about that?


Only scenario is that you know coag will post his seal under pressure so look good for defending him. Other than that, nothing. That's why i say you're pretty town disregarding that.

Talk about thrawn please


How about you explain exactly what your issue is? Your read is an associative read because he didn't include DP in the mix of his lynch targets.

Should we lynch thrawn for it?


I want to discuss him and it's nothing to do with association it's reads that don't add up with motives:

Says me and dp are town but wary that one of us is full of crap - gives himself a scum on one clause

Says i could be scum because of fluff related to dp but ignores everything else

Says dp could be scum because of x, y, z, a, b, c but the doesn't poe dp after saying all the things I've pointed out about dp.

Either he agrees with me in which case i shouldn't be poe'd because he's sheeping me or he disagrees with me and i shouldn't be poe'd because he said I'm probably town


It's a fault of mindset


The one thing in thrawn's filter that really bothers me is his top 3 town post.

It literally means he only has 2 town reads and everyone else is potentially scum because that venn diagram guy has done nothing for anyone to have a town read on him. I poke thrawn a bit for it and he sorta responded okay, but idk.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 13:47 GMT
#1109
On March 19 2014 22:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
like about how i lied and i'm scum? Because I've either addressed those or I'm ignoring them as ridiculous. Also waiting on Palmar to decide if he thinks I lied before I reiterate my points.


I don't think there is an outright lie in any of your posts.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 13:49 GMT
#1111
all this meta from games I haven't played is going way over my head.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 13:56 GMT
#1117
On March 19 2014 22:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think you lied about the scooby doo thing if that helps

basically i didn't want you trolling like what you pulled in cultured so I got on your case as soon as I saw you doing ridiculous things. The Phoenix Wright stuff looked like pregame-plan, or you draw really well really fast. Based on the adventures of kiterayn, I don't think you can draw that well on demand.

Your case on DP is based on his pre-game assertion that he dislikes hydras and was at one point willing to /out because of it. You used a mindset that can't be assigned to an alignment and when DP was consistent with it, tried to spin it to make him look scummy in-game because it allowed him to push scum-agenda. This is after you call your read
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 06:48 Holyflare wrote:
On March 19 2014 06:46 Coagulation wrote:
who do people think is scum


DP is legitimately scum.

But I'm the bad guy for taking you even remotely seriously.


I think this is a perfect explanation for Hopeless's actions at the time and now I don't really want to lynch him.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 14:02 GMT
#1122
On March 19 2014 22:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The second point is Hopeless said "...otherwise rayn is town" which clearly means he has formed some sort of a read on me. After thrawn questions him about this read he says "i don't have a read on rayn, it's purely based on statistics". One of those two statements must be bullshit because they can't both be true.

Direct quotes if you please. You're wrong

It's in his post.

You said something like "if rayn doesn't come back in x he's scum, otherwise he's probably town" and then you said "i don't have a read on rayn, it's statistics".

Rayn's theory is that based on the former sentence, you should have a townread on rayn and you're only flipping it if he goes afk for a long time, and the second sentence implies that you have no read.

What I think is missing is that your read during the initial sentence is actually null and not town, and you think only if he comes back does it make him town.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 14:19 GMT
#1133
On March 19 2014 23:17 Holyflare wrote:
lol forgot hopeless was modding culture (last game) where rayn was town and afk'd after a policy vote and he like never came back till after deadline, so why did you mention the ~5 hour thing being scummy on rayn when you know that not to be true?


Someone confirm this please (fucking meta). Also it's important to know at what point rayn afk'd out of the thread. (with how many hours left in the day).

If this is actually true then hopeless's stuff does look worse.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 19 2014 14:39 GMT
#1152
HF you wanted to discuss thrawn.

Here, let's discuss this post.

On March 19 2014 18:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 18:30 Palmar wrote:
thrawn who are your top 3 town reads and why?


rayn - i watched him in foundation and what seemed most different in his play there compared to his town play is that he didn't seem as interested in finding scum, and he didn't appear to act like he was going to be a strong town leader. he knows his skill level and as town i think he usually feels a lot of repsonsibility for helping town win. It's a hard thing to pinpoint but this is probably the closest I can get:

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now i am srsly gonna go to bed. I hope we have an answer when i wake up.


It's stuff like that where I feel like rayn is sincerely trying to push town in a direction that he believe will help him lynch scum.

Another big reason is this post which is supposed to be from his notes during the time he rage quit the thread. I think it's a lot more likely that he did that (that = make notes during rage quite) as town than he did that as scum.

Koshi, mostly because he seems to be having fun and I can feel the thought behind his posts even when they aren't given.

I think tehpoofter is town. I already talked about my initial read on his post, and that read was further solidified by him claiming to have "set a trap" for vivax here

I don't think there's anyone else that I'd feel confident as labeling a "top" town read. I think both dp and hf are town but I can't get over this nagging doubt that one of them is full of crap.

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