Handslaps and Fisticuff: A PYP Mini [M][T]

On March 03 2014 21:47 gumshoe wrote:
/in

On January 14 2014 09:35 gumshoe wrote:


Not sure, its just how it is. If Xatas in a game making posts is like writing underwater.

On March 03 2014 22:44 yamato77 wrote:
/in

I will not be trying too hard this game.

Also, last spot hype.

On March 04 2014 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You better do it because it helps town i guess and if you don't do it pre-game you need to do it in the game and if it's not good enough you get lynched on D1.

On March 04 2014 06:13 Palmar wrote:


Just roll with it

We can then blame the americans if we lose.

On March 04 2014 17:33 Oatsmaster wrote:

you just try son.

On March 05 2014 10:56 marvellosity wrote:
guise

we actually have to lynch someone this cycle as well as do pyp things

On March 05 2014 20:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
With my plan assassin/night vigi in mafia hands can't possibly have 2 KP.

On March 05 2014 20:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
haha.
Xatalos mafia.

On March 05 2014 20:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Survivor normally votes and does protown stuff early. Xata scum.

On March 05 2014 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote:
##vote: Xatalos
bcz scum.

On March 05 2014 21:28 marvellosity wrote:
why would you make a dumb reaction test? Just lol.

On March 05 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dude you are not really helping atm if you are town. There are a lot of things being talked about and the only things you managed to say is "btw i picked my numbers, suck it" which is anti-town as fuck and you did form some reads regarding it, and then you said "think there is a problem with the plan but the plan might also be good".

btw you must absolutely not pick the numbers you claimed, at least change one number to prove you are not bullshitting right here right now.

On March 05 2014 21:32 marvellosity wrote:

Because it gains next to nothing and only serves to confuse town on your motives rather than provide something tangibly useful.

In short you are saying "just lol" because you are perceiving something to be dumb, but you did a dumb thing in the first place, you just don't perceive it that way.

Maybe if you didn't do dumb things in the first place (if you're town) then people wouldn't draw incorrect conclusions based on what you said, hmm?

On March 05 2014 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So do you think Palmar is mafia?

On March 05 2014 21:41 marvellosity wrote:
well, you're just lucky I like you then.

On March 05 2014 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's not really how i see it happened.

On March 05 2014 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway you shouldn't worry about me Rayn, marv'll read me correctly later anyway and if he doesn't he's scum so it's fine!

On March 05 2014 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
or at least joat and maybe jailer claim.
and if the joat does not claim then we actually do massclaim and kill the scum joat.

On March 05 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i can get that shit, so:

Is there anyone who thinks i am mafia or can i pick [2][1] without opposition?
Let's let Palmar have his vigilante because it's like a suicide if he is scum.

On March 05 2014 22:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Xatalos what is your current read on me?

On March 05 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh man yamato is amazeballs scum.

On March 05 2014 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Low amount of players and short timespan of the last game made it a lot easier to play like I did. Anyway, you only gave reasons for me being scum other than "being active" which you saw me do last game so I don't know why you're using that as something to give me a town read this game. I don't understand your read on me.

On March 05 2014 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:

hes really hesitant about joining this plan of Rayn's like he doesnt want it to actually happen.
He hasnt really done anything else past kinda defending xata but not directly.

On March 06 2014 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I have no problems with Yamato right now other than his inactivity. The posts he's made seem fine to me.

On March 06 2014 05:08 yamato77 wrote:
Hi.

On March 06 2014 05:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't know if that really goes though. Hopeless himself has said in Shadowed that he doesn't really try until he's at risk of getting lynched. Could just be lazy scum.

Prplhz felt really different in Default Suspicions. Quite active at the start and poking at things, then went afk a bit. I checked a scumgame of his before that game and the biggest difference I felt was that he didn't care about the game as scum, which I'm feeling here as well.

On March 06 2014 06:23 Palmar wrote:

If I had to mayor lynch someone right now I'd kill one of the people not playing (austin/gumshoe).

If you wanted me to try to find scum I'd probably just random lynch into anyone that isn't me you oats marv rayn xatalos. So that's the afk people + artanis hopeless yamato lsb

On March 06 2014 05:29 yamato77 wrote:

Not caught up yet.

Some time before numbers are due I'll read the rest of the thread.

On March 06 2014 06:48 prplhz wrote:

Just to make this end.

link

On March 06 2014 14:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i'll keep track of this:
1. Palmar [1,1]
2. Oatsmaster [3,1]
3. prplhz
4. Hopeless1der
5. Artanis[Xp] [11,11]
6. marvellosity
7. yamato77
8. austinmcc
9. Xatalos
10. gumshoe [2,?]
11. LSB [2,1]
12. raynpelikoneet [2,1]

On March 06 2014 22:45 marvellosity wrote:

But did he at least read your posts and then distrust you?

Or distrust you blindly without really reading your posts as here? It's quite a significant distinction.

On March 22 2012 01:34 gumshoe wrote:
Alright just woke up, On the topic of random voting, I don't mind it so long as its a means to an end. It should generate discussion not baseless band wagons

Also on the issue of third party. Isn't little finger sort of irrelevant to town? I mean unless he's going to act like a total dick and try to get himself lynched he really shouldn't be a problem for us, its scum who have to worry about shooting him. Townies look for scum, scum look for third party, lets not do scum's job for them by finding the guy whose potentially the biggest threat to their operation. It's better if little finger stays hidden looks like a helpful blue and soaks up a hit. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about him, I just don't want to give him away(which as far as we know makes no difference to him) until scum finds him on their own, because just by being there as he is he disrupts and confuses scum.

For the record though I think he has to ensure that catelyn survives no matter what(or maybe sansa) and ned dies. Or maybe he just has to identify everyone. It'll be near impossible to confirm our theories until later when we've seen someone act peculiar(like a third party would) even then though like I said before it might still be a good idea to keep Baelish under wraps.

Next up, Xatalos, why did you vote for me of all people? Is it because I'm a newer player eg an easy target to pressure/bandwagon?

On March 06 2014 22:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You should take a look at the gsl mini xata, gum was quite proactive there.

On March 06 2014 08:34 gumshoe wrote:
Muuuuust ressist dessssire to lurk cause Xata T_Y GAAAAAR. oK I hast broken curse for short time, the only long term answer is to KILL XATALOS.

In all seriusness, dumb/policy lynches are a baaaaaahd idea, even for das jokes, we have a disgusting amount of kp floating around and some of it may very well fall into scum hands. Despite that possibility, scum dont even need the guns, just the bullets to fly in the wrong directions. In fact whereas town need to abuse the fact that they have far more control of the setup, all scum need to do is play standard.

If they can just look better than town, this game can be over extremely fast, thats why I personally feel that Artanis and Palmer are town, because while they're behaviour is unlikely to get them lynched (and shouldn't in fact, we need to be damm sure about our lynches) it IS likely to get them shot.

Honestly I dont think anyone would really bat an eye if Artanis died over night(sorry best buddy ) : ) if scum play jokey its such a simple thing for them to get caught out. For that reason, I expect scum to be playing a bit more serious, it's something that might get them lynched in the long run, but the bullets are likely to be spent by night 2 and where they land will probally decide the game anyway.

This brings me to my person of interest.

Rayn : Has clearly thought out the setup throughly, he came into this game knowing exactly what he wanted to do and I'm damm sure he would have led the charge as scum or town. His plan has allowed him reasonable positioning pecking order wise, but it's also led to town discussion and formation, taking into account that scum need to play competently to win this game I would consider his organizational efforts a wash.

Less neutral a factor alignment wise is that rayns been playing extremely aggressive this game, picking away at the likes of Palmer and others. Rayn sees himself as an aggressive town player, personally I find he is an adaptive one, bringing out aggression when its called for not just for the sake of it. When Rayns scum though, he plays to his idea of himself and is far more pushy, often feeling as if he needs to jump on things before anyone else. I will be taking 2,1 because I dont trust Rayn atm and I rather neither he not get the one of his choice. As for his plan, I think it's fine so long as rayn doesn't get a gun, I'd prefer if Artanis and palmer could take hold of the heat.

As for LSb's issues with the plan, I dont see a problem with it myself, I'm sure Rayn thought it out pre game so it's fine either way as long as the right people are on top. I doubt scum would so openly disagree with it, they're probably going to just secretly pick whatever number they want. Openly attacking a plan thats gaining momentum seems silly / :

Anyone have any questions for me? I got a bit before I need to go.

On February 16 2014 17:20 gumshoe wrote:
Haro! So I've pretty much blitzed through the thread, but obviously the most recent event eclipses everything that came before it so I've reconfigured most of my reads in light of it. The only reason I can see Moc quitting like he has is if he feels like his scum team has completely failed him, which he straight up acknowledges in the case of Rayn. Gives me the sense that most of his scum team are incompetent and already under pressure. I also dont think hed reveal like this if there were one or two members of his team on at his time of confession, which would be a bit of a dick move, this tentatively clears Grack( who I had pinged as null) thrawn(his posting aggravates me a smidge just like in the last serius game we played, so probs town) and bum, all of whom had decent thread presence and posted within a couple hours of mocstas confession. Bum I especially consider townie because of how seemingly sincere hes been in his attempts to push discussion, case in point this post glows green to my eyes.

"It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think!"

An attempt at getting a contribution out of a player whose likely to be lynched comes off as a weird scum play, unless that scum player is totally confident that the townie will provide misinformation. Something I dont think a scum bum would count on.

Vivax also posted within range of the confession, but even disregarding that I honestly cant believe Mocsta would quit like this if he had Vivax on his team. Same reasoning applies to rob.

Which leaves a pool of six within which lies the last two scum.

1:Shiapi: Has done extremely little for town, that much hasnt changed, Round hasnt really said much on him all game long, usually deflecting questions or arguments against him onto someone else, only once he became the clear lynch did Moc/rayn hop on the wagon faithfully. A shiapi scum partner would def fit the bad scum team narrative.

2:Mattchew: Posts a bunch of one liners, mostly comments on others reads, has a relative amount of heat on him, thread presence low to medium. I dont think hes scum with shiapi unless shiao called his mother a goat or something. Although that would explain Mocs exasperation with his team, meh.

3: Quantom Pope: Extremely low content, could definitely see Mocsta getting pissed about being with this guy.

4:Mordanis: His early posts look like they have some actual, albiet befuddled, thought to them but his targets are odd, and bieng reasonable more often than not does not translate to bieng townie. He goes after Rob and Vivax, two relatively green players at the time, strange choices even if you take into account the volatile nature of any games start. Another odd thing is Rounds hard defense of him.

"I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.."

at the time Mordanis had done a decent amount of contribution, but it's odd just how far Round sticks his neck out for him, going so far as to call his posts the best thread... Not even sure if Rayn's the kinda player to do that if they were buddies. Could just as well be post flip posturing on a possible lynch target, a motive backed up by Rayns willingness to change his stance on Mord as scum got more desperate for a lynch. Definitely a frustrating scum partner to have, so Mord does fit the terrible scum team theory.

5: Sidesprang: Not much of a contributor, but reads townie to me . Him asking for my replacement seems like a pretty unscummy thing to do, scum would want my slot to stay inactive as long as possible, yet here he is pretty much begging for a real contributor. Also his asking for a townie certificate... Considering the dark green and bloody history of Coag's accursed emblem, seems pretty brazen. Oh and his first vote, although a light hearted one, was on Mocsta... yeah maybe hes scum? Extremely reckless if thats the case, doesn't ultimately read red to me.

6: Jar Jar: least scummy of the bunch, has his own thoughts, pushes his own reads, generally helps town, I can elaborate if anyone likes but if you read through his filter you can see that although sherlock he aint, hes certainly doing more for town than anyone else on this list,(admittedly not saying much.)

Thats all for now, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them tomorrow, it's been a long day, gl and good night town.

Oh and regardless of all this, no reason to not vote round. Hurray for free lynch!

On March 07 2014 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or do you need to think what roles your team gets?

On March 07 2014 00:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also why were people still talking about me? I am literally confirmed town because I'm actively trying to post rather than actively trying to dodge the thread and have a 6 page filter halfway into the day. It's annoying.

On March 07 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You are right. I was thinking about LXI but apparently enough time makes 5 pages of filter 1 page.
We can lynch yamato just fine.

On March 07 2014 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless being hopeless.

On March 07 2014 01:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Honestly I think all scum are probably within those not regularly participating in the thread and we're gonna have a boring game.

On March 07 2014 02:06 marvellosity wrote:
it's not yolo if you think about it like that.

Silly Xatalos.

On October 04 2013 08:52 Blazinghand wrote:


Rayn's literally trying to avert a lynch by voting me. he's trying to stop us from having ANY TOWN PRODUCED INFO until the end of D2. we have to lynch him. Come on clarity do it for the shenannies. you know it's right

On March 07 2014 02:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Look at that trendsetter. That beautiful first vote that isn't crossed out.

On March 05 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh man yamato is amazeballs scum.

On March 07 2014 04:37 yamato77 wrote:
Apparently the best reasoning for lynching me is what I said about Palmar, which no one seems to disagree with besides Palmar himself.

Okay.

On March 07 2014 04:58 yamato77 wrote:

Rayn said it earlier, I can be lazy and shitty as town. If you keep me alive, I might be more useful later, but unfortunately, I don't have time in the next six hours to prove anything to anybody because I'm leaving for work in 15 minutes.

Tonight + tomorrow I have time to play. If you lynch me before that, whatever, you're all bad.

On March 07 2014 05:13 yamato77 wrote:

I'm null on most of the people besides Marv/Rayn/Artanis

Second scummiest person is hopeless.

You're also on my radar, you're far too diplomatic for my tastes, it reminds me of LSB's game.

On March 07 2014 05:22 Hopeless1der wrote:

i already ruined it, i posted a seal in shadowed reboot

On March 07 2014 05:39 Palmar wrote:

i'm actually sort of okay with that, although policy lynching I like even more.

On March 07 2014 05:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can you really say you're surprised, Xata?

On March 07 2014 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can i be the doctor or do i need to change? I wanna be the doctor.

On March 07 2014 07:45 marvellosity wrote:

I don't particularly why he doesn't do any of that as mafia.

Take Palmar's cop game. Oats took a terrible stance and then argued it into the ground despite the entire game telling him he was being stupid. He didn't give it up or frankly even look like he would give it up.

On March 07 2014 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"You picked [blue]Day vigilante[blue]. Actually you don't have a gun but instead you have two smellyflowers you can give to people of your choice. Smellyflowers smell so bad the person is unable to post in thread for 24 hours once they have been given a smellyflower. Now i know you wanted to be a day vigilante but instead you became smellyflowerguy so trololol i'm a b-mod!"

-austin

On March 07 2014 09:08 austinmcc wrote:
I still can't tell what you think my reasons were, and why they're bad.

You think it's bad because the host wouldn't just change roles after they go out, even though the OP says there may be modifications and then goes on to add that you might or might not get notified of modifications, indicating that a couple different roles would change based on alignments (otherwise why make a notified/no notified distinction?)? Or it's bad to EVER undermine a plan that rayn comes up with? Or bad to undermine THIS plan?

Like, when I read your post, it says that I, myself, have bad reasons for resisting. Scummy reasons or just not good reasons to question things?

On March 07 2014 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We also need to kill gumshoe, he has been really active in the other game and not in this game.
austin - gumshoe - yamato

On March 07 2014 09:30 marvellosity wrote:
killing all the inactive players really fast, hoping we hit a mafia or two in there and then solving the game from there sounds like a generally good plan to me

On March 07 2014 09:42 marvellosity wrote:
you do say some odd things, Xata.

On March 07 2014 09:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
He said weird stuff in I'm a cop too. I'm good with Xata.

On March 07 2014 09:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I understand you're still recovering from our previous game but trust me, I couldn't replicate it in this game and I'm even more active now
We finally townbros.

On March 07 2014 09:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Unless you're playing a great scumgame. Ack.

On March 07 2014 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Have you not read your role pm yet?

On March 07 2014 09:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can i go to bed? Who should i vote marv?

On March 07 2014 10:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Just when I played scum with you.

On March 07 2014 10:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I don't think that game gives me much because we were bussing eachother hard all game. There's just a few tidbits from your I'm a cop play that I feel have transferred and I think they're alignment indicative though I haven't checked.

On March 07 2014 10:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

General openness, willingness to both critique and sheep where applicable, dumb stuff like not being careful with how you formulate things, that kinda thing.

On March 07 2014 10:42 austinmcc wrote:
LSB is getting called scum for fighting the plan, and/or for choosing rayn's numbers.

As far as I can tell.

Those mean that if LSB is mafia, he/mafia is trying to like...screw rayn over. There's some reason mafia want rayn to not get what he wants.

I present him an opportunity to bolster his argument, or to try and build a resistance, or to do SOMETHING with. If mafia don't want rayn getting his way, then I'm doing what they want, and they at the very least interact with that somehow. They buddy, they encourage, whatever, but they don't just sit there and leave it alone.

On March 07 2014 10:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Marv leads town. Marv is smart. Marv doesn't bus unless teammate is sandroba.
Results are the easiest way to confirm marv. If yamato flips town I'd actually have to read his filter and that'd be very annoying.

On March 07 2014 11:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
I am McLovin
I'm 2-shot vigilante. Please advise.

On March 07 2014 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Xata looks worse for defending yamato.

On March 07 2014 20:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah i like gumshoe, austin and Palmar less than him.
Everyone else i am quite sure are town and if there is a wildcard somewhere it's probably Xatalos. Highly unlikey though.

On March 07 2014 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

They are quite wondrous, those sauna meets.

On March 08 2014 01:30 geript wrote:
austinmcc the Mafia Rolecop is dead

Role Cop -

On March 08 2014 02:17 marvellosity wrote:

It's very fortunate for us that austin didn't really put up a fight and got killed.

What you mean is:

Thank you marv for calling for an insta-shot on austin during the night. I love you marv

On March 08 2014 02:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

shh no tears, only dreams now

On March 08 2014 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
i was voting for the yolo's not because i thought he was scum. i think gumshoe is scum

On March 08 2014 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

LSB can tell us how the organizing has worked so poorly and then we can organize his death really quick.

On March 08 2014 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Xatalos isn't scum. He wouldn't do that to my feelings.

On March 08 2014 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
shit i really hope i die or mafia concedes, otherwise i need to explain to Xatalos why i think he is scummy.
plz mafia concede. Or let's shoot Xatalos?

On March 08 2014 01:46 marvellosity wrote:
I mean

LSB and Xatalos can cop each other

then it doesn't even matter if everyone else dies...