EPT[M][T] Foundation Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On February 27 2014 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's just think each other is scum 1/2 the game instead!austin let's talk with MSpaint pictures all game? Owait... But yeah, we can do some MS paint, but I'ma try and make some text posts too | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Also, DI has already posted about 300% more than he does as mafia. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
 I'm going to lynch that little yellow guy so he stops making my eyes hurt. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Gimme something to tryhard about, and I absolutely will. For now I'm confirmed disliker of giant walls of yellow and the RNG suggestions that pop up in 50% games. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 04 2014 08:27 Palmar wrote: You know that in the foundation series, the good guys are technologically advanced, get stranded on a couple planets where a bunch of natural disasters and predators try to wipe out their women, children, and corgi puppies, right?and being against nature. nature is random, you can't fight nature. Nature is the enemy. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 04 2014 12:02 IAmRobik wrote: Can you be specific with 1-2 of your reads?Do I just read every DM person scummy? Each one is reading the opposite of their town game. This is so weird. I'm usually the one who clears everyone ever and this game I just find everyone scummy. This is not a good sign. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 04 2014 12:54 IAmRobik wrote: kk, that's more clear. Do you weigh boone not wanting to vote VE, in and of itself, as pointing towards her alignment? (her, yes?). Even if it's outweighed by the contradiction with liking RNG, does the no vote itself do anything for you?Boone's entrance was scummy because of the way she said that she respected RNGesus but wasn't willing to vote VE yet cause she wanted to play more with him and Joey was scummy cause he trolls when he's mafia. In general, I come in and clear a bunch of people for being super town off of small things, but this game all I see are really fucking scummy players. Also. Are you robik? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 04 2014 13:31 Killing wrote: Pshaw, it's sleepytime in the americas as wellWhere is everyone at? Are most of the people european and asleep?: | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
There MIGHT be scum and scum MIGHT manipulate me is, imo, a particularly bad reason for revealing this information 1/4way through D1. While there MIGHT be downsides, there also MIGHT be upsides to a QT that townies are in | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
GGTemplar needs to explain himself, sayeth the Palmar. Robik gives reads but doesn't explain himself. austinmcc asks Robik to explain a read or two, and give them specifically. Robik gives an explanation. Robik's explanation is townie, sayeth the Palmar (agree). But the Palmar forgetteth that Robik initially posts nothing specific, and that I'm the one to question him about it. While he may not like my followup, i would PRESUME that asking people to explain their reads, is, at the very least, a somewhat green thing to do (see Palmar, who would like to look green as either alignment, asking GGTemplar to explain himself). I do not understand how Palmar reaches his reads on the three of us given Robik's initial post and my question. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:08 justanothertownie wrote: Uncle Isaac's Trampoline EmporiumHow is the name of your qt austin? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:11 Oatsmaster wrote: I don't think scum has a PARTICULAR benefit in claiming the QT, EXCEPT that it causes pages upon pages of people spouting nonsense about whether the QT is scum QT, or whether it's real, blah blah blah. It just drops an irrelevant piece of information into the thread that people want to talk about.Whats the benefit for scum revealing it to the thread when she can try and fake a town circle? Anyway, don't see MUCH of a benefit either way. But as a townie who's been in a QT, townies are like "OH YES SECRET QT LET'S MAKE PLANS AND WE'LL TRAP SCUM AND IT WILL BE AWESOME." There's...FUN and EXCITEMENT from secret QT. I don't see benefit either way, and it feels LESS townie than scummy to just reveal it D1 for what I think is poor reasoning. Some of that is colored by the fact that I overly enjoy QTs/blue roles/etc. 0% serious. But no, it's not named "Scum QT" or something. The name is irrelevant. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Please show me, on this doll, where Robik explained his reads and touched yourobik explains himself somewhat in his first posts. GGtemp just posts votes. And you have done nothing, no walls of text and 0 reads. I dont agree with this read at all. On March 04 2014 12:02 IAmRobik wrote: Do I just read every DM person scummy? Each one is reading the opposite of their town game. This is so weird. I'm usually the one who clears everyone ever and this game I just find everyone scummy. This is not a good sign. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:18 Oatsmaster wrote: No. He mentions no specific REASONS, nor does he even mention specific PEOPLE.I can be in-thread friends  Hmm yeah ok Austin, I thought he did mention some stuff before that. Thus why town might be interested in having him clarify himself. Do you understand my thoughts on Palmar now? Do you share them? Do you 80% disagree with them? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:17 justanothertownie wrote: What is the name relevant to?It is not irrelevant. Are you claiming that it is the foundation qt or not? If you say "figuring out if you're the scumteam" then you're being silly. If you say "figuring out if one group is lying and isn't in a qt" then you think scum is fake claiming being in a QT, something DIRECTLY COUNTERCLAIMABLE THAT RELIES ON OTHER PEOPLE SUBSTANTIATING THE LIE, and that is silly. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Do you think it's townie to ask people to explain themselves?I reread robik's first few posts. Its like totally different. He makes a general statement which he then backs up. GGTemp just makes really specific reads and does nothing to progress them or explain them. Different. That question sounds ridiculously stupid. Yes, Robik backs up his statement. Only after being asked. I'm asking why, if you're town and Palmar is town, and you're asking GGTemplar to explain himself because you, as townies, want him to give specific information, me wanting someone to clarify their reads and give specific information is not, at the very least, a townie thing. Even if everything else I do is scummy. In particular, I'm asking whether you think Palmar just skates over that entirely. I had what...like 6 and a 1/2 posts. He read Robik's answer and liked it. But there's no thought put into me making the question. That smells to me. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:24 justanothertownie wrote: See the second response.Ok, let's change the task: Are you claiming that your qt is the/one of the foundation qt/s mentioned in the op? If you think boone or I claim to be the foundation QT AND VE claims to be the foundation QT, then someone is SUPER DUPER LYING ABOUT SOMETHING THEY CAN'T SINGLE OR DOUBLE-HANDEDLY LIE ABOUT. This would be a terrible idea. Therefore, it's fantastically unlikely that we are both claiming to be the single foundation QT mentioned in the OP. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:27 justanothertownie wrote: Then you already have your answer.Why can't you just answer the fucking question? I know what VE claimed and I know that it is TRUE. We're not the foundation QT. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:31 justanothertownie wrote: Your curiousity seems genuine and not faked, since you're getting kinda annoyed by me not answering like you want.Actually screw that. If you don't wanna tell then don't. Therefore, it's UNLIKELY that you're scum IF rayn or boone is. Huzzah. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:36 Oatsmaster wrote: If this is to me, because if rayn or boone is mafia, then mafia knows about the QT and any specifics.why the second bit? Could be faked, but because of the frustration at me not answering, he seems to be legitimately in the dark about specifics. Which he wouldn't be if he were mafia with one of them. Therefore, if one of them is mafia (or both), he likely not. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
SLAM
GRACK
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote: No.austin is Boone doing anything in the QT I am trying to discuss the revelation with her in QT, waiting on that before doing more with a boone read. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Robik, I think you have legitimate points that DI is doing some things (hanging onto questionable reasons for calling someone scum for too long, specifically) that can push mafia agendas (creating reasons to lynch a townie). And while you haven't played with DI, he DOES have a history of basically posting nothing as mafia. Like, he'll drop in 2-3 times a day, say pretty much nothing, do nothing else, be entirely a non-factor. You don't know this, but there ARE meta reasons to push him towards being town. I don't like relying on them because essentially with DI, all you're saying is "if he posts 4 reasonable things at all during the game he's 100% town" and scumDI can do that easy...he just never seems to actually put in the effort. Anyway. You both have points. BUT THIS IS NOT THE FISTICUFFS MAFIA GAME AND YOU GUYS CAN'T JUST CIRCLE AROUND EACH OTHER DOING THAT HILARIOUS CIRCULAR FIST MOTION THING. Even if DI is mafia, there are other mafia. And the more you guys fight, the more I (and presumably others) zone out when reading your posts. VE VE VE VE VE Talk to me about grack and slam. Even if you think they're always 100% trolly, rough guesses as to alignments and why. If you won't do that, gimme the towniest and scummiest thing each has posted so far. Please? DI, killing's name has only letters that are also in your name, except for the K and the G. He also has a short filter! Will you read it and talk to me about him? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 04:44 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay. But it's ACTUALLY less than a page. It's easier to read that and shitpost than it is to read the thread.No I meant I'm doing premades atm and stuff so I'm only shitposting in between queues. notime2filter Final offer, a paint picture of you fighting a spider UNDERWATER. Open for like...2 hours | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 05:02 Dandel Ion wrote: Wut no. His posts ain't tell me what you think about his posts.Hi austin do the latest posts by killing sufficiently answer your inquiry? I think they do. Yours truly, Dan del Ion | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote: You're of the opinion that they've both just been purely trolling? Nothing's non-trolly and valuable for readin'?@austin Alak is fearless in his trolling, Grack not so fearless. Between the two I'd say Grack has a higher chance of flipping scum based on what's been said, Alak more likely to flip town. I don't think they both scum, but it's possible they both town. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 07:00 Palmar wrote: Still nope.This post is actually blatantly ignoring the timing of anything. It's pretty clear that by the time I enter the thread Robik has already posted his explanation, and I immediately quoted the explanation and said it was a very good point. I'm having a bit of trouble following you. I asked GGTemplar for explanation to his reads not because I wanted to look green, but because his explanation will reveal his thought process which in turn might help me deduce his alignment. And I have not stated any kind of a read on either you or GGTemplar, so whatever you're assuming in your post is based on nothing but your own guesswork of what I'm thinking. The only one of you I have given a slight read is Robik, who I based on the solid logic in his post gave a slight town read. I have no idea how you can call me inconsistent in my conclusions when I haven't revealed them. Are you scum austin? If you're town, you're not asking to look green. But you're still asking because it's a townie thing to explain reads well, so it's townie to get people to explain reads, etc. etc. Like the thing you're doing is a pro-town thing --- asking someone to explain self. A dumb little town thing, but it's still pro-town to have explanations. Whether you go "austinmcc is scummy" or no, even if you barely form the thought process, if this is true then you have a scumread on me, or had, or were leaning scummy, or at best just think I "look pretty bad" - Essentially, you reveal your conclusion there, even if you never check to see which way you conclude. I didn't follow up on my train of thought with robik at all, just wanted to poke him a little. Whether you knew that or not, you called what I did scummy. Ya? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 07:40 Grackaroni wrote: Gurrently, I gind of gikeWho do you like for scum Austin? I request you to use as many G's as possible; however, you are not allowed to use the word 'Grackaroni' Grackaroni Goonetown I gant to gee gore from Gaynpelikoneet. I gislike the gidea of goth my QT buddies being scum, based on nothing but me making up suppositions. For those who have played with Boonetown, any thoughts on how she responds to pressure/frustration? Is she a tooth and nail fighter or more apt to just fold? (As either/both alignment) | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 07:47 Palmar wrote: Maaaaaaaaaaaaan. If you say "if austin is a potato he looks really bad" but you never look at me to see if I'm a potato or not, you've come to a conclusion. You just don't know which one, but anyone who HAS checked to see if I'm a potato possibly knows what you think. I'm either a potato or not.No I did not reveal any conclusion, you keep trying to present my thoughts as something that they aren't. If you want to know how I act when I think I've found scum, go look at default suspicion after marv made the point on toad. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I checked Aperture 2, and he was relatively trolly there as well at the start, couldn't really identify anything in particular that might push me one way or the other on just his D1. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 05 2014 08:41 Grackaroni wrote: I don't feel terribly strongly about it, but it's not a bad thing to look at. I was scum with him that game so I don't have a sense of how his posts felt, since I already knew his alignment. You must trust the Chupazi. No I haven't seen scum slam play like he has this game. But I guess I could take a look at Aperture 2 if you feel strongly about it. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
people who have played with boone, On March 05 2014 07:42 austinmcc wrote: For those who have played with Boonetown, any thoughts on how she responds to pressure/frustration? Is she a tooth and nail fighter or more apt to just fold? (As either/both alignment) boone, what is the MOST IMPORTANT THING that has happened but everyone is missing/downplaying? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Hi rayn! | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Grack looks better after chat last night. Either he's a lazy scum troll who doesn't actually go read slam and talk honestly about slam, or he's a townie who sometimes stops trolling to play, did so, and I think accurately spoke to him maybe not needing to be as sure of slam as he is. Rayn, talk to me about VE? You said he was townier on your list than Palmar had him on Palmar's list. Por que? To Palmar re: Hosts hiding information / second QT / etc. - + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2014 18:13 Palmar wrote: VE claims to be in the foundation chat. I clarified with thrawn that his wording is CORRECT. There should only be one foundation chat at time. So whatever it is that you/austin/her are in, is not the foundation chat. One of you has a role, or the host decided to add random hidden mechanics to the game for lulz. I'm inclined to think it's the former. So, I'm killing boonetown for roleclaiming. I thought I was gonna kill austin today for misrepresenting my position, but this kill is better. On February 26 2014 08:53 thrawn2112 wrote: Semi-closed and "that's all the info you get" indicate that this isn't "random hidden mechanics for lulz", we were explicitly told that we weren't aware of everything ever.Setup This is a semi closed setup featuring the flavor of Issac Asimov's Foundation series. ..... At the start of each Day, 3 randomly selected players will be invited to the Foundation quicktopic mason group. At the start of the next day, 3 randomly selected players will join a new Foundation group and the old Foundation quicktopic will be locked. You are not allowed to share links. Nights are silent, but you but still talk with your mason group in the quicktopic. You may only use the provided quicktopics to talk to your mason buddies. ... That's all the info you get! VE worries me, don't want to lynch right now. I can understand finding SOME things he's done townie, I cannot understand loving his post on Boone that he did however many hours ago, and that being the thing that REALLY makes your mind up on him. I'm fine with Palmar calling him town, there were some specifics that Palmar mentioned. Interested in Rayn's townread on him. Oats is super town. He is seeing some things that townies should be seeing, and doing townie things with them. Specifically, this post: + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2014 02:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually read post from Boone. Actually read Palmar's stuff. Decided the two didn't match up. I agree with him that they didn't, and that Palmar what Boone says.I have no idea why Boone thinks she will be good at this game. This is stuff after the trolling phase though. Palmar analysed 0 content from that part of the game, only after that. I could lynch Slam. Despite being upbeat/having fun, which seems to be the only thing people have said that indicates his townieness, he wasn't ... sad trolling when I've seen him be mafia. STILL lots of wacky stuff, it's not like he posts only videos of sad clowns and decomposing animals when mafia. Speaking on killing looks opportunistic, but oh well. His thoughts on Boone - + Show Spoiler + Boone's first post was also obviously super scummy. I might actually be leaning her neutral because she does get hyper defensive when she's town but I wouldn't classify her as so. My first post was also super fucking awkward lol. Boone's first past was OBVIOUSLY SUPER SCUMMY. But he MIGHT lean neutral on her, because she is hyper defensive as town but he wouldn't classify her as such (which should mean...she's scummy? If she's hyper defensive as town, isn't hyper defensive here, then...she's mafia? Yes?)On March 05 2014 02:53 Killing wrote: Boone is mafia....por que? He likes a read of hers, he dislikes her other reads, therefore she looks....worse. Nothing EXPLICITLY to say she's mafia, just that she looks worse because of her reads.Current scum team: GGtemplar, Boone, Alakzam The only read that I liked from Boone was the read on Templar. Other than that, calling everyone's top town town + calling one of my top scum town for really shit reasons in my opinion made her look worse in my eyes. Alakzam has been scummy for me cause the second GGtemplar voted for him, his post quality went way down. I just felt the interaction was super weird and might have been scum voting on scum or something along those lines. GGtemplar is my top lynch for today because he never substantiated his reads nor did I feel they were even deserved. Contrast this with his Alakaslam read. Alakaslam is mafia because when GGTemplar votes him, Slam's post quality goes way down. A thing happens, Slam responds in a way that Killing finds scummy, therefore slam is scum. Or his GGtemplar read, where GGtemplar makes undeserved reads and never substantiates. In contrast to two people who did things that Killing finds scummy, Boone looks worse just for...making reads Killing disagrees with. So far, her opening post is OBVIOUSLY SUPER SCUMMY, but she might be town maybe, but she looks worse because of her reads. There's nothing concrete. On March 05 2014 04:52 Killing wrote: GGtemplar gets the vote. Read on Robik, again, some specifics about what he likes/doesn't like about Robik. Nothing on Boone at all.'Robik is now my top town. He's playing his exact same town game where he makes read on what seemingly is insignificant. He likes to believe that he found some proof even though it usually means and amounts to nothing. Other than that, his reasoning on Dandel is kinda bad. He's probably just tunneling on him as I'm not sure if anything Dandel has done has been that scummy. Voting GGtemplar for obvious reasons. Also VE is really high in my town list, I liked what he had to say earlier and try to fix the fight between Robik and Dandel is probably townie. ##vote GGtemplar The bit that has already been pointed out: On March 06 2014 01:29 Killing wrote: Hey guys, Sorry I lurked all of last night. The reason I unvoted GGtemplar was simply because of his gigantic post. When he's town in video mafia, he'll go into these long winded theories about who he thinks the mafia and why but when he's mafia he'll just do a quick explanation. I'm not saying that he couldn't do his gigantic post as scum but I think it's extremely unlikely. I don't know what's going on with boone this game as it isn't her town or mafia play. Typically, she can project town extremely well as either alignment but in this game she's done a pretty bad job. I don't really know what was the deal with the QT stuff in regards to the game but outting it probably pushed her to more scummy in my eyes. Also, I had austin as one of my strongest towns earlier in the game but I don't know where he's been for hours. Where u at? Here are my updated reads: Strong Town Rob Leaning Town: Palmar GGTemplar JAT Dandelion Neutral Grack Oats VE Leaning Maf Alakazam Rayn Strong Maf Boone I think that's all except austin. I didn't put him because I was reading him town before but now that he hasn't really said much which makes me more unsure of him. no idea where to put him. if anyone has any questions about any of my reads, just ask and i'll clarify Boone is his strongest mafia, but this isn't her town or mafia play. WHY? She can normally look very townie to him, but hasn't. Outting the QT pushed her towards scummy.....WHY? He hasn't mentioned this before. It was discussed, I don't see WHY it was scummy of her to do this. When he explains himself later: On March 06 2014 01:48 Killing wrote: He hates the QT play. Except it was "overall ok for town," but the "revealing part seemed very awkward." Boonetown I really really hated the QT play, more so than anything else. I think it was overall ok for town since we now know there's some seconday QT mechanic in play but the revealing part seemed very awkward to me. I read it as someone that was in a deephole and wanted to either A) Reveal something to town to try and show transparency(?) and by extent seem more town B) Create some diversion as in that post she begins to offload her blames onto at least 1 in her QT group (not really sure how she came to that conclusion but I think she has rescinded that). The one thing that scares me is that she does get ultra-defensive when she is town and usually takes lynches more likely as mafia (since we all hate to be mislynched). If we were playing video, I probably wouldn't kill her today but everything she has done has been pretty weird and my other scum reads are pretty light at the moment. Wat. Outing the QT pushed her towards scummy (see his previous post) Now outing the QT was overall ok for town, but was "revealed awkwardly" Boone was also his STRONGEST SCUM READ, someone he's been consistently scummy-ish on, talking about as scum despite not voting or being specific, ALL DAY. But he wouldn't kill her today. She's just weird. Again. Boone has been on his scum team all day. For reasons that are, IF ever explained, immediately contradicted (scummy for QT reveal, which was good for town, and can be explained in multiple ways) (scummy for her reads in his first couple posts, but for the entire rest of the day he forgets her reads, doesn't mention her reads, just talks about the QT or how she maybe is or isn't playing like her town/scum self). Slam and killing my current top two. Currently wary of Slam/boone/VE/killing. Wary of rayn, but for right now I also have a nagging thought that he's town for something I ain't gonna discuss. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Maaaaaaan, there are legitimate reasons to look askance at you.Okay, I was gonna get pissed, but after rereading it's just Grack being Grack and Oats being Oats, there's no wagon and no case, no one REALLY wants to lynch me, so we're fine. Doing stuff now. The post I quoted a second ago isn't the post I wanted to quote - it's not the best post I've read since I woke up let me go find that shiz right now. Crappy ones like "amg scumteam balance", less crappy ones like "VE tosses a single post on Boone into thread, votes, leaves". | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 03:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Because I can't follow her thoughts, because she just goes dark when being asked questions and ... never answers them to my satisfaction?yay walls of text. Why are you still wary of boon? Things like her being scummy on me because I don't care about people attacking her, but me wondering whether she's worried about people attacking GGTemplar. I don't care about GGTemplar in the slightest there, only whether SHE goes "well, he's got 3 posts and there's a LOT of piling onto him, he's just a lurker lynch in a way, it IS kinda worrisome". A bunch of people made that thought later. She never really responded, and keeps trying to equate things that I don't think are equal. It's like she's explaining some of her actions, but not the ones I care about. That's why I keep asking video mafia people how she responds to pressure. If NORMALLY she takes it in stride and doesn't back off, then her disappearing/not answering looks odd to me in a bad way. As far as I can tell, the reason people are LESS wary of her right now is a medic claim. Which is cool, but NOBODY goes "do you have any breadcrumbs" and regardless of whether she's a medic or no, it's still important to like...figure out what she's been doing and thinking. Poking accomplishes that, being wary accomplishes that, imo, much better than "okay medic claim time to not lynch this person, gg." I know the reaction is a bit more questioning than that, but not MUCH more. (I'm also worried about Killing's super duper lack of read on her. But that's a side thing and associative and not a mark on her for now except only sometimes in my head) | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 03:42 justanothertownie wrote: Because my post is a bunch of stuff together and I already make walls and I don't want a wall within a wall unless it's spoilered.Austin why are you spoilering the best part of your post? Maybe we should be lynching killing after all. Yeah, killing or Templar is where it's at I believe. On March 06 2014 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay regarding the less crappy one, it was 4 am and I went to bed. Do you disagree with the one post I made? If so, why? If not, then what's your point? I think the point you're making, asking someone whether they agree with your scumread on them, is not as scummy as you make it out to be. I find it odd that it's the only thing you pull out of boone's filter, and that you are essentially voting because she asked someone if they agree with her scumread of them. I don't have any room to talk about dumb questions, but I don't see that as objectively scummy. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Why is she a hard read on forum mafia? She's hard to read because...she doesn't have many forum games? She's hard to read because she writes in Arabic?Boone is a hard read on Forum mafia. She's very good at Video Mafia, but one thing I've noticed about her play in Video Mafia is that it's based EXCLUSIVELY on body reads. She has NEVER in my experience with her made a read based on what people have said, logic, contradictions, anything. She has SPECTACULAR reads....when they're made based on body reads. That being said, I'm willing to give her more time to prove to at least me that she's just out of her medium here. ##Unvote ##Vote: Killing I don't see what the process by which she makes reads elsewhere would make her hard to read here, or how she is different from any other player that you haven't played a buncha forum games with. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: How often do you employ this rule that making too many cases/having too many red reads = scummy?Dandel, the fact about templar and his too many scumreads is that it's not like "i think these guys might be mafia", it's like he makes a case on everyone, which is retarded and i don't see why he would do that as town. The only reason i could see him do that is if he is mafia and he can later on say "see i found this guy scummy here for these reasons already". | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Why is that particular contradiction in Boone's filter super telling? THIS QUESTION SOUNDS DUMB BUT IT IS REAL. I would prefer you talk a little more about Killing, or more about that one contradiction, rather than just mention it and justify yourselves off that. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 04:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Fully agree on the first.I think these are all pretty ok posts, although there is somewhat less than I expected and all focusing around boone. The second two don't sway me. What rayn thinks is maybe neat, but Slam doesn't seem overly concerned with rayn in general, and appears to be saying "I am interested in your choice between these two because ___________, but I do not want to vote ggtemplar unless I'm convinced on him." While implying that...whatever rayn things about these two will bridge the gap in Slam's own reads, and allow him to choose. I don't understand why rayn's reads would be relevant towards slams decision of who to vote. It's relevant to slam's read on rayn, but shouldn't be relevant to slam's own decisionmaking about who is/isn't scum and who he votes. The third is...general stuff. I like it better than the second, though. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
 | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I was hoping either one of you would ... give some bigger response including why the contradiction matters IN THE CONTEXT OF KILLING'S OTHER POSTS ON BOONE (because it's not like that's the only time he mentions her in this game)What were you hoping for? I explained my thought process, do you agree or disagree? or would do something super scummy or would bring something extra and enlightening and townie to thread I think | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I wish he were around to speak, hope he returns. GG does happy things in his filter, like calling out slam, in his own way, and ... continuing some trains of thoughts/arguments in ways that are alright with me (i made this big post, did you read it? Could you read it, apart from the pictures? Palmar is scummy for fluff. No not all fluff, specific fluff. No, specific fluff. SPECIFIC TYPES OF FLUFF ARE SCUMMY TO ME. poking at rayn for a while, etc) | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Does the rayn in spain fall mainly on the italian mafia? Or is it rayning men? (Little green men I guess) | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 06:02 Alakaslam wrote: Why? To rayn, not to me.The latter. HHAUGH! I caught up! YOU SCUM BRO | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Dashing good looks? Ice cream flavor preferences? His undying quest to call me scum and get me lynched sometimes? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
boone, why is Killing town? He was a townread in your first list of reads, without really any reasoning. You say you don't think he's mafia On March 06 2014 06:00 boonetown wrote: I'm so fucking confused this game, and i hate you all. My reads are literally changing by the minute and I hate it, I feel like a flip flopping fool right now. I dont think Killing or templar are mafia. but your only meat on him is here: On March 06 2014 02:37 boonetown wrote: GGtemplar plays very paranoid and standoffish as town, and pretty trolly/vote happy as mafia. My initial read on him was mafia because he was throwing votes around like they were nothing and with no explaination, but he then gave his post of shit, which was perfect for me. That's town templar almost to a tee. my read on killing is more complicated, because i hate him as a person but love him as a player. i think he's smart enough to realize when i'm acting differently, and until his recent post he was doing that. I dont want to say he's mafia because of his most recent post, joey is ALWAYS nervous of my allignment, and views me as mafia 99% of the time. I see this as no different. Which is that you think he's smart enough to do what he was doing but then wasn't doing. And that he's nervous of your alignment, and ALWAYS is such. Can you...speak about his read on you, or his admission that he's just making stuff up? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 06:30 Killing wrote: Likely slam.Austin, if you somehow found out I was town, who would be your lynch I'm not as sold on GGTemplar as others. There are conversations he carries on that read townie to me. I don't care that he calls 4-5 people scummy. I think the targets he chose there (VE when VE wasn't being discussed, Palmar for fluff when nobody wanted to lynch Palmar) are super sexy mafia-inclined targets. None of the other vote-getters really rev me up | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 06:32 boonetown wrote: Please explain this, as well as the other stuff re: killing.when have you ever seen joey so vulnerable and willing to admit his faults? i think i've only seen it once, and he was town who realized he was super fucking wrong on everything. What faults is he admitting to, in your opinion? How is admitting them townie? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I personally think that's a misrepresentation of this On March 06 2014 05:26 Killing wrote: Especially things like Ok, so I don't really know where to start with this. I read a bit that people hated what I had to say earlier so I went to re-read it and couldn't stop laughing at how terrible it was. I think I've been going about playing thsi shit completely wrong. I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about. I'm so used to knowing exactly what's going on and to having strong reads that I think I was compensating but trying to give too much except that it was all obvious garbage. It's really uncomfortable being in this position where I really don't know what's going on even though I wish I did. Everything I've done up to now has deserved a lynch. I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good. I def gonna start playing differently starting now since I've recognized what's been going on. The most I can do for town right now is prove to you somehow that I'm town. I'm basically starting over from now. I've scrapped basically all my reads and I'm probably going to go and re-read most of the game again with a different mindset. I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good. I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about. As to the first, how does he know his reads are bad? Nobody has flipped. He has no way of knowing whether his reads are good, bad, 50/50, anything. He's apologizing for having BAD READS on D1 when we don't know any alignments.In the second bit, he says he was STRAIGHT UP MAKING SHIT UP. You don't "apologize" for making shit up, or "admit that you were wrong" to make shit up. You don't make everything up and go "oops, it was wrong to do that." You KNOW it's wrong to MANUFACTURE FALSE STUFF. I don't think saying "i screwed up by making shit up" is a ... townie apology. Making shit up is a BAD THING. It's a SCUMMY THING. Manufacturing reads is straight up scummy, and saying you did it doesn't make it townie. I am grilling you because I think when you say him apologizing = town, you gloss over the specifics of what he said he's done and will do. "My posts were scummy and my reads were bad (but I can't know this) and I made stuff up, but I'll scrap some of that and PROBABLY go re-read the thred" is not, imo, a townie thing at all. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I see a promise of townie actions, both at the time of the post (i've scrapped some reads and understand the game) and in the future. I don't see any explanation why some reads were bad, how he understands the game, etc. I don't see any followup. I see that he RECOGNIZES the things he did were scummy. Saying so doesn't make him town or scum. It makes him a player who has done scummy stuff and sees that. The specific things he's apologizing for are also, imo, not...things you can just go "oopsies" on and be townie. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 06:46 Alakaslam wrote: I interpreted that as part gut, part meta.I said gutmeta I was asking specifically what meta stuff makes you townie on rayn. What has he done here that he does in town games but not scum games? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 06:51 Alakaslam wrote: Throw two more strikes to Thuu.Vague memory is all I got. But I reads you totes scum dude what you gonna do when Thuu strikes? HE'S OUTTA HERE. What do you vaguely remember? What is it that he's doing that you vaguely connect to something else? ANYTHING particular? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I AIN'T SKURRED | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote: They're in the same place as what led to his understanding of the game, how he knows his reads were bad, what reads he wasn't going to scrap, and why he wasn't going to scrap those particular reads.There is an hour till deadline. Where are your new reads? Nowheresville. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 07:15 Killing wrote: WHY do they you think are town, and which players specifically are the DM ones (I don't actually know I really have no good reads on anyone except for the DM players whom I think are all town. Considering that, two of my town reads are voting on VE and I have no strong scum read on anyone else. At the moment, he's my best option from my eyes. ) | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 07:18 IAmRobik wrote: The problem with that is that it's now Cause I'm going to snipe vote the shit out of someone. Cause I'm town and I can do that type of shit and get away with it cause IDGAF about looking scummy (well I kinda do, but like, I'm super obv town so yah) 4 VE 3 Killing 3 GGTemplar You lost the chance to snipe Killing or GGTemplar and send them to 4 first. Even if you want to change your vote, you should put it on someone that might get lynched, because the order in which players reach the top votes matters. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 07:21 Killing wrote: Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?GGTemplar Robik Boone are the DM players. GGtemplar: After going over his posts, I have the strong feeling that he's town. He hasn't been trying to lead any one lynch nor has he just straight up tunneled on anyone that is town. I feel like he's trying to figure out the game and that he's constantly reconsidering his reads. I think he would have pushed on me a lot harder than he did when I was an easy lynch a couple of hours ago. Boone: She claimed medic and I kinda beleive her so she's off the table. Robik: He's trying playing his typical town play which is scrutinize everything everyone says and nit pick at anything. If he find something that he believes might be a sign of scum, he'll go really hard on that person. If he's mafia, I believe he'd be less active towards the end of the day since he isn't the target but he's still been active. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Do you still hold to that? Are his voters scary meanies? Also since that time, he has returned to the thread. Does his return to the thread make you feel warm and happy like it does for Boone? If yes, what parts. If no, do they make you feel he is scummier? | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 07:35 Grackaroni wrote: The faction that manufactures reads is ____________Austin I know that Killing is being useless but that really isn't how scum plays. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
The faction that produces more than 95% of gross manufactured read output (gMRO) is ________________ | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Blazinghand manufactured a read because he didn't want to get lynched grackaroni has made up reads to avoid having to read thread killing manufactured his reads because he didn't have a good overview of the game, but now he does, except he also never specifies when or how this happened, specifically says he has no scumreads. He is also only going to scrap SOME of them, despite saying they were manufactured, and he also knows they were bad, despite nobody having flipped. For emphasis: On March 06 2014 05:26 Killing wrote: I recognize what's been going on!Ok, so I don't really know where to start with this. I read a bit that people hated what I had to say earlier so I went to re-read it and couldn't stop laughing at how terrible it was. I think I've been going about playing thsi shit completely wrong. I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about. I'm so used to knowing exactly what's going on and to having strong reads that I think I was compensating but trying to give too much except that it was all obvious garbage. It's really uncomfortable being in this position where I really don't know what's going on even though I wish I did. Everything I've done up to now has deserved a lynch. I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good. I def gonna start playing differently starting now since I've recognized what's been going on. The most I can do for town right now is prove to you somehow that I'm town. I'm basically starting over from now. I've scrapped basically all my reads and I'm probably going to go and re-read most of the game again with a different mindset. On March 06 2014 06:45 Killing wrote: I can confirm GGtemplar's post is correct LOL GGTemplar's post in which he says my post said "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING" is correct. On March 06 2014 07:15 Killing wrote: I recognize what's going on ....... but I have no scumreads.I really have no good reads on anyone except for the DM players whom I think are all town. Considering that, two of my town reads are voting on VE and I have no strong scum read on anyone else. At the moment, he's my best option from my eyes. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 06 2014 07:47 IAmRobik wrote: I'll save why this is a ridiculous request for later.To clarify....JOEY'S READS HAVEN'T EVEN CHANGED SINCE HE'S REEVALUATED. READ WHAT HE SAID AND READ HOW HE WAS CONVINCED HE NEEDED TO REREAD AND REEVALUATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE SAID HE WAS SO WRONG AND CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSIONS AS BEFORE. Austin...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do me a favor and make a quick case against VE (even if you think Joey is more scummy) If VE flips scum, here's why he's scum: VE's first burst of real activity is trying to push that idea that Boone isn't magically scum for outing a QT. It serves scum no purpose to out a QT, or to try and draw a claim from the foundation QT, therefore, Boone isn't scum for doing this. BUT ALSO, he notes that scum gets basically nothing out of this. Her doing something and leaving is...rumbly in his tummy, but her outing the QT is not, in and of itself, a scummy thing. Assorted poking, but not really scumhunting. Robik posts a list, VE says he's town too and should be on Robik's list. Pokes at DI. Tries to separate the two. These are all posts that don't scumhunt, although they DO maybe serve to keep thread legible. VE thinks Slam has been INTENTIONALLY trying to make himself hard to understand - + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2014 05:25 VisceraEyes wrote: No Alak has been providing limited opinions - I say limited because he's intentionally trying to make himself hard to understand. Grack has also been providing opinions, but what he's been doing I wouldn't classify as trolling, and that's why I say he's not fearless this game. He quickly faded off the trolling early and got to business, and I don't expect that from a town-aligned Grack. VE was suspicious of Templar, then feels good and swaps to boone in a SINGLE POST with nothing else. His reason for swapping is super mega mega not good by me. On March 05 2014 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Boone is asking a scum suspect if he agrees with her scumread on him.I feel better about GGTemp from him posting - not so much because I like his targets or his townreads or whatever, but because the way he's defending himself /feels/ genuine. Like, "I wasn't here, now I am, deal wit it". Boone's defense however looks like this: Note how diplomatic this is. She's supposedly suspicious of Templar too, and look at the bolded statement! Who asks a scumread if they disagree with them ABOUT themselves? Does that even make sense? To anyone? What's he supposed to say there? "Oh well you know, I wasn't convinced before but now I guess you're right I could be scum" No. He's not supposed to say anything but "no" in that situation regardless of his alignment, so why ask it? This whole post reads to me like she knows Temp is town but wants him to townread her even though she has to call him scum based on her previous posting. She's concerned about appearing consistent. It's scummy, and frankly I could lynch boone today. ##Unvote ##Vote: boonetown I'll be back tomorrow to see if she posts anything valuable to me, but right now I think she's a good lynch. Therefore she is mafia. WAT? (1) She's done more than just that this game. (2) That's a ridiculous thing to call someone scum for (imo). (3) Seriously, there are 12 non-VEs in this game and his vote goes on someone for asking their scumread if that person agrees with the scumread. This post, again, with a changed read and vote, is similarly...kinda weak On March 06 2014 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Boone is a hard read on forum mafia [citation needed]. I'm willing to give her more time to prove to me that she's out of her medium.Boone is a hard read on Forum mafia. She's very good at Video Mafia, but one thing I've noticed about her play in Video Mafia is that it's based EXCLUSIVELY on body reads. She has NEVER in my experience with her made a read based on what people have said, logic, contradictions, anything. She has SPECTACULAR reads....when they're made based on body reads. That being said, I'm willing to give her more time to prove to at least me that she's just out of her medium here. ##Unvote ##Vote: Killing Boone was just scummy for doing an explicit thing --> asking a scumread about the correctness of the read. Now she's just hard to read, maybe out of her medium, unvote. THIS UNVOTE IS SMELLY. THE VOTE IS SOMEWHAT SMELLY BUT JUST. He never explains his unvote of boone further, despite me asking him. Seriously, he thinks she did a scummy thing. It doesn't matter if she comes from voice mafia or face mafia or toe mafia or is actually a popsicle. She did a scummy thing. Suddenly that doesn't matter. When asked about Boone's medic claim, he missed it. Or "missed it." This means he unvoted because of the reasons he gave (assuming truthfulness on missing medic), which again, are so bahd. Everyone else swapped off boone because of x, he swaps because of y, and y is ... not a thing I like. THERE'S NOT A PARTICULARLY COHERENT CASE AGAINST VE BUT I THREW THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE I LIKE SILLY CHALLENGES SO MUCH WHY IS VE MAFIA? (1) HE'S NOT REALLY HUNTING SCUM. HE'S ACTIVE ABOUT BOONE POSTING ABOUT QT, ROBIK/DI FIGHTING, BLAH BLAH, BUT HE'S NEVER REALLY LEADING THE PACK WITH A CURIOUS SCUMREAD. (2) HE, IN FACT, HAS NO CURIOUS SCUMREADS. ALL HIS DISCUSSION TOPICS ARE SAFE AND SUSPICIOUS AND HE CAN JUST CHAT ABOUT THEM. (3) HE SWAPS HIS VOTES FOR REASONS I DON'T LIKE, AND THE JUSTIFICATIONS HE GIVES FOR HIS SWAPS (BOONE IS HARD TO READ ON FORUM MAFIA) RING HOLLOW. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
GO TOWN | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Really enjoyed this one. I really like the idea behind having a half-player in Hari, who can do some stuff, but not everything, and maybe isn't trustworthy. I liked silent nights + QTs. I think in the same vein as having scum powers to mess with Hari's interaction with thread, a different spin on this game might give scum powers to mess with the QTs. Either to make sure a scummer was in the main QT one day, or for one person to be able to pull in another if ever put into a QT. Something to make the QTs a bit minigame-ish, where they can really try and influence townie thought in the QTs. rayn you are a dirty liar, and I can't believe I forgot to tell Boone that you'd claimed cop to me and to watch you. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 12 2014 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't remember people being suspicious of me at the end of the day. A little boone suspicion, and slam was on me, but otherwise hadn't everyone moved off?I still don't understand the austin kill. Why kill someone everyone is suspicious of? Pretty sure that the end of D1 looked really townie for me. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 12 2014 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: In a game where the voting is close, ESPECIALLY where the voting is close between mafia and townies, mafia wouldn't give up the last 20 minutes of the day to go write a case on a townie that they don't think is mafia.Because it's a fluff post that does not matter and possibly counts as a "contribution". imo The moment killing flips, not only was I pushing him D1, but instead of messing with votes or trying to do anything to save a buddy, I go write a case on a guy all the while saying I think he's town. I don't see mafia doing that. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 12 2014 08:43 justanothertownie wrote: I would have dropped you once killing flipped.Yes. But if I had seen what you wrote about me in your little qt I wouldn't have trusted you! You felt VERY townie to me in PYP:LoL if I remember correctly, and here you felt...middle of the pack-ish. Just something I didn't pick up on or a vibe you weren't throwing off. But like rayn pointed out, the two of you together didn't make sense, and I wouldn't have pushed you over killing. Mainly just wanted to poke you on D2, try to get you to post more, commit to some thoughts, and read you off that. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 12 2014 08:47 justanothertownie wrote: It sounds dumb, but yeah. Even if the volume of posts was high, I didn't have a clear read on you, and so was gonna pester you a bit and get more posts. To post more? I had the biggest filter in the game after day1! | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
We played in another game, Thug Life Mafia. A guy named Koshi was a cop in that setup. Essentially, I wanted to ask if he was a cop without you knowing it, cuz I'm sneaky and also an idiot sometimes. rayn started off by saying he didn't want us posting in QT until we were 100% confirmed. There's no way to confirm people except with flips, so i thought he MIGHT be a cop. He made one or two references to cops/checks in thread, making me a little coppier on him. Given that you claimed medic, I thought maybe things WERE kinda heavily themed, and our QT had a couple power roles to try and lead town/win the game. I didn't trust you FULLY at that point, so I didn't want you to know. And i MEANT to tell you before N1 was up that was what had happened, but forgot. Was focused on not sucking so hard in another game. | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On March 12 2014 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I wanna play Dr. Who though Now everyone let's go play the MSPaint Titanic game. Maybe we can be friends there austin!  | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
rayn, if you were a thug this game would your name be Koshi? then a couple minutes later rayn rayn, I'm actually really interested in this, just for a moment. (1) /m36 ? (my question) (2) If no, how do you propose we magically confirm people in here? And you said you would be koshi, a couple times. And I hinted that I was saying something in particular /m38 YOU UNDERSTAND ME? Then later I have you as possibly scum "if you're lying." | ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Also, looking back, I could have put way more emphasis on Thug or something, it didn't come across as strongly as I wanted it to. | ||
| ||
