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On February 27 2014 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well if townies get themselves modkilled this game it's not gonna be because of lurking and it's gonna be fun instead.  Yes, townies will be in serious danger of getting modkilled, but lurking is not on the list of potential threats. | ||
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On March 04 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote: Who shall we kill Palmar? Wanna random lynch? | ||
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for example, we can say that the next post you post Grack, determines the number of the player lynched. That is the next post AFTER this post. the last two letters determine which half of the playerlist to lynch into, and the player to be lynched. So, your (Grack) next post after this one, the post id will be: ******xy if x = 0-4 => part 1 of list (players 1-6): y = 1 => VisceraEyes y = 2 => Killing y = 3 => Alakaslam y = 4 => Palmar y = 5 => boonetown y = 6 => Dandel Ion if x = 5-9 => part 2 of list (players 7-13): y = 1 => raynpelikoneet y = 2 => Grackaroni y = 3 => IAmRobik y = 4 => austinmcc y = 5 => justanothertownie y = 6 => Oatsmaster y = 7 => GGTeMpLaR in both cases, if y is out of bounds, we reroll y, and y only. NOT x. first list is shorter so there is slightly higher chance people in that get lynched (includes me). | ||
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On March 04 2014 08:09 Grackaroni wrote: ok. post ended in 48. first group, x = 4 and y out of bounds, please reroll y. | ||
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please reroll y. | ||
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lynch = VisceraEyes ##Vote VisceraEyes My work here is done, good night. | ||
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his initial roll ended in 48 (20909248) and thus it was first group and reroll. | ||
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On March 04 2014 13:42 IAmRobik wrote: It's the subtle contradiction of her post. She should either commit to one or the other. She's making excuses already. Boone is an incredible player when she's town...There are two people I know of that she would hold back on and they're not playing this game, so this random "I want to play with VE so I'm not gonna vote on him even though I believe in whats-his-faces RNG" seems incongruent to me This is actually a very good post and I noticed the exact same thing in boone's opening post. It's a very simple decision to make whether or not to roll with a random lynch. In fact, for the most part not taking a stance on the RL is being against it, as such a lynch requires strong support for there to be any chance of success. So having taken that stance on the issue I see no reason for boone to not just say "look I don't wanna RL". Then again, I tend to lynch people for being tentative all the time and I'm not always right, so whatever. It's still a very good post made by robik. | ||
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On March 04 2014 14:49 Alakaslam wrote: That's not why she is scummy "Sorry for X, I see town is doing something and I made the observation, look I contribute. I'm not going to act on it, caveat caveat IF THAT IS OK WITH TOWN DO NOT LYNCH ME DO NOT LYNCH ME" That is why she is scummy. slam, you're the man. | ||
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On March 04 2014 15:24 Alakaslam wrote: PALMAR SPEAK OR LOSE THE CROWDS I CHALLENGE YE! I was asleep. | ||
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On March 04 2014 17:48 Oatsmaster wrote: hey Palmar, which RNG supporting dude is scum? I don't know yet. Scum is going to win this game super easily anyway, everyone is so invested in trolling that I don't think it really matters what we do. It would be splendid if you and a few other traditionally useless people tried your best to contribute this game. I literally have exactly one weak read this game. That's it. I think Robik's point is valid and means he's at least reading the thread quite intently. There's also the thing where we need a few people to just write a fuckton more, so people get bored. | ||
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On March 04 2014 17:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll do at the very least one of those things tomorrow. Please do. This game doesn't have a ton of quality posters and more than it's fair share of trolls. You know this and you know that if you're town we absolutely need you to contribute to the game. If you disappear or blend in with little opinions throughout the early game, I _will_ policy lynch you. | ||
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On March 04 2014 14:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Killing town Robik town Boone town On March 04 2014 14:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote: ##Vote: Alakaslam On March 04 2014 15:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: boonetown Hi. Explain the shit you do. | ||
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On March 04 2014 18:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Whats with the _will_. Also does it count that I saw exactly what the other dude saw? Do I get a weak town read too? It's a pretty oldschool way of underlining shit (I learned it on IRC, if you say something _word_ it means you're emphasizing that word). No you don't, part of getting a town read is actually explaining what you saw and why it makes you have a thought one way or the other. If you do that repeatedly you might even be useful... hell mafia might even shoot you if you're town, god knows that doesn't happen like.. ever. | ||
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On March 04 2014 18:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I got shot in my newbie game  Hey i was gonna point out the GGtemp shit. Wtf palmar. I'm just faster than you. Who are your top 2 town reads and why. If you don't have town reads, then please just force the answers and give whatever little reasoning you can. | ||
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On March 04 2014 18:08 Oatsmaster wrote: palmar, do you know if Austin being against policy lynching and trolling is normal? I don't really do the meta thing that much. I have no idea what austin would do in that situation. But he may have been in a game where I suggested it before, but to be honest I wouldn't read to much into it. I still need to decide how serious he was being when he refused it. all in all I don't think I can determine his alignment based on just that. | ||
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On March 04 2014 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hi Palmar are you around? I'm working, but yes, I'm around sporadically for the next hours. | ||
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On March 04 2014 18:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would like you to elaborate on this post a bit more. I'm unsure on what there is to elaborate. Judging by the content in the thread when I entered it, there aren't many players in this game that tend to write good concise posts. VisceraEyes is fully capable, and actually quite good at, taking a leadership role in town, but he doesn't always do it (see survivor series, he was mostly invisible for the first 2 days). I was pointing out to him that this game requires him to take a leadership role if he's town. I think it's fairly obvious that we need a few people to step up this game. And by that logic, VE should know he's needed and expected to shoulder some of the burden this game, and thus not doing so should be taken as an indication that he is not town, and thus he should be lynched on policy for failing to meet my expectations. All I'm asking for is him playing the game. Looks like Oats is actually trying to step up and I like it, so that might solve some of the content issues. | ||
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On March 04 2014 18:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Like this post. Its odd for me that Austin is talking about boone as the only substantial part of his filter but never gives a read on her. Or anyone at all. This is actually a valid point. Repeatedly asking questions without providing your own conclusion can both be town move (interrogating) or scum move (posting with no content). I don't remember if austin ever did anything with the train of thought he was asking robik about so there's that, if he just asked questions to not reach any conclusions I think you're right it looks pretty bad. | ||
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On March 04 2014 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's basically why i asked about it (the VE thing, i got that). But another thing is who do you think are the people not quality posters? I don't really see where you're going with this, but I'm sure you have a reason for asking so I'll give you an answer. Also I'd like to clarify that this quality posting thing is basically a list of people who tend to, or I know can, post very transparently on day 1, thus making them easy town reads if they are town. Me/you/ve, possibly grack/austin. This is the list of people I know are able to post coherently enough on day 1 to assume a leadership position and look town. That leaves a fuckton. Now there's a lot of people I haven't played with before here (ggtemplar, boone, killing, robik) and then there's a few resident trolls (dandel, oats, slam). I just can't remember anything about justanothertownie, I'm sure I've played with him but he doesn't stick out. If all the new people post very well (see suki/balla, I was impressed) this won't be a problem. Also slam and oats have actually been useful this game, so that might also solve what I thought might be a problem. So my assumption is that I'm only gonna get very few people who don't troll/lurk on day 1 and post the quality/quantity required for me to make a town read on them early. | ||
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On March 04 2014 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes Slam is most likely town. Do you have any other reads? | ||
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The one thing that stood out in your post is your thoughts on ggtemplar. I have no reason to believe anything he says until he starts explaining his thought process. These new kids all keep talking about "I'm reading you scum" or "I'm reading you town" but there seems to be little behind those reads except some vague meta feels. | ||
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On March 04 2014 19:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point is that's what they do in video mafia. Draw reactions, fake drawing reactions etc. IT's really easy to attack them but it's not alignment indicative yet. They have their own way of getting reads and/or starting the game and it's easy to call them out for it but it does not achieve anything because they would do that as either alignment. You just get a shitfest which ends up in TL guys accusing them and the other way around. At least Robik was able to "adjust" to forum mafia play a bit after the game start so that's what i am expecting from him and from other people. I know GGtemplar has played many games here and he seems the most "off" from the group because that's not what he usually does. I actually want to ask GGtemplar why did you vote for the people you voted for? Exactly why I pointed out ggtemplar. Robik actually gave good reasons for everything he did, templar just randomly voted people. | ||
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On March 04 2014 19:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Robik why are you picking on boone? Can you give me a train of thought what she's doing in your opinion? Do you not think his point on boone is fair? | ||
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On March 04 2014 20:48 Dandel Ion wrote: Plammer why do you have a townread on rayn? did I say I had one? | ||
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On March 04 2014 21:11 Dandel Ion wrote: And I'm saying it can't be that terrible if it has a higher % than normal lynching. Or are you against day1 lynches in general? IS THAT IT? DO YOU HATE FREEDOM? Only count games where I'm town. Ignore other games. | ||
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Because of dragons and such. | ||
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On March 04 2014 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not necessarily. I might know what he is after but i am not sure. But I think it's a valid point. The specific wording of the latter part of her post, where she doesn't really take any kind of a stance on the issue is somewhat suspicious. She leaves the option of going back on the RL wagon open without actively supporting it (and thus, de facto not supporting it). | ||
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On March 04 2014 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote: But dragons are reptilians So they're like snakes So they're lying Alternatively some "experts" suggest they're closer to birds. Bird brains are shit-small. Why would you ever listen to a dragon Go do something useful. | ||
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On March 04 2014 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's talk about it after robik answers me okay? I think Dandel is town what do you think? I think he's a troll and I have no idea about his alignment. | ||
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On March 04 2014 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes he is a troll but there is also this thing between his town ans scum play whereas as scum he only trolls and as town he trolls and actually forms reads and says stuff. Do you think he hasn't said anything useful that counts as contributing? atm I'd probably be fine with trusting your townread on him. | ||
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On March 04 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this post is really good in my opinion because JAT's post is really bad. I don't think this is alignment indicative at all for Dandel, he's providing an opinion on methodology which is one of the easiest things to do as scum. I'm not saying it makes him scum because town players also have opinions, I just don't think you can read much into it one way or the other. | ||
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Thanks. | ||
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If all other townies would also become triple confirmed that would be great. | ||
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On March 05 2014 01:44 Grackaroni wrote: lol Oats and Rayn are both buddying you so hard. It's a valid strategy for mafia tbh. I suck at finding scum that just agree with me on everything. | ||
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On March 05 2014 01:44 Grackaroni wrote: lol Oats and Rayn are both buddying you so hard. Btw at what point do you intend to do anything useful btw. I mean you've thrown out a town-read on slam, which at the time was justified I think, and you seem to think I'm town (your wording that the two players mentioned are buddying me seems to imply that I must be town). Do you think it's likely rayn is scum? If so, why? | ||
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On March 05 2014 01:55 Grackaroni wrote: I wasn't implying that you have to be town. It's just you have people who you like which coincidentally appear to be the people who like you. Well the upside is that I know those people have made one correct read. | ||
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On March 05 2014 02:19 Dandel Ion wrote: Why do you care if people see you as a sheep? Why are you concerned about looking like a sheep if you're not even planning on sheeping anyway? Sheeping is great if you're town, just make it smart sheeping. You assholes posted like 10 pages while I was not here so I'm catching up. | ||
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On March 05 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote: but boone stroked the ego in saying that she wanted to play with me, so GGTemp gets the vote. VE looks pretty towny straight up admitting he likes being called good/fun. | ||
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On March 05 2014 06:43 Dandel Ion wrote: That's an odd thing to point out as I am already aware of that. I merely queried why she would not want to be associated with such. I just like to mention it every time I can, it's one of them "Palmar things" (tm). | ||
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On March 05 2014 02:53 Killing wrote: Current scum team: GGtemplar, Boone, Alakzam The only read that I liked from Boone was the read on Templar. Other than that, calling everyone's top town town + calling one of my top scum town for really shit reasons in my opinion made her look worse in my eyes. Alakzam has been scummy for me cause the second GGtemplar voted for him, his post quality went way down. I just felt the interaction was super weird and might have been scum voting on scum or something along those lines. GGtemplar is my top lynch for today because he never substantiated his reads nor did I feel they were even deserved. What was weird about it? You can't just say shit like that without quoting and explaining. GGtemplar lynch at the time this post is made is a lurker lynch. I'm always slightly suspicious of people actively pushing lurker lynches in early day 1, but I guess a few people are doing it and they aren't all scum. | ||
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On March 05 2014 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Another Palmar thing I'm missing is stressing the importance of being read as town on D1 for all townies. I thought I covered that with my rant on how I needed you to look town as I couldn't count on other people looking town earlier in the day. | ||
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triple confirmed town Dandel. gj. | ||
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(I'm just slightly bitter I don't have a QT.... slightly). | ||
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On March 05 2014 03:08 austinmcc wrote: I dislike Palmar. I think the way he deals with GGTemplar's unexplained reads, Robik's unexplained semi-reads into explanation, and my questioning of Robik is...inconsistent. GGTemplar needs to explain himself, sayeth the Palmar. Robik gives reads but doesn't explain himself. This post is actually blatantly ignoring the timing of anything. It's pretty clear that by the time I enter the thread Robik has already posted his explanation, and I immediately quoted the explanation and said it was a very good point. On March 05 2014 03:08 austinmcc wrote: austinmcc asks Robik to explain a read or two, and give them specifically. Robik gives an explanation. Robik's explanation is townie, sayeth the Palmar (agree). But the Palmar forgetteth that Robik initially posts nothing specific, and that I'm the one to question him about it. While he may not like my followup, i would PRESUME that asking people to explain their reads, is, at the very least, a somewhat green thing to do (see Palmar, who would like to look green as either alignment, asking GGTemplar to explain himself). I do not understand how Palmar reaches his reads on the three of us given Robik's initial post and my question. I'm having a bit of trouble following you. I asked GGTemplar for explanation to his reads not because I wanted to look green, but because his explanation will reveal his thought process which in turn might help me deduce his alignment. And I have not stated any kind of a read on either you or GGTemplar, so whatever you're assuming in your post is based on nothing but your own guesswork of what I'm thinking. The only one of you I have given a slight read is Robik, who I based on the solid logic in his post gave a slight town read. I have no idea how you can call me inconsistent in my conclusions when I haven't revealed them. Are you scum austin? | ||
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On March 05 2014 03:24 austinmcc wrote: I'm asking why, if you're town and Palmar is town, and you're asking GGTemplar to explain himself because you, as townies, want him to give specific information, me wanting someone to clarify their reads and give specific information is not, at the very least, a townie thing. Even if everything else I do is scummy. It's null and void dude. No one gives a shit about people who ask other people to explain their reads. It says literally nothing about the player asking for the explanation. I have no idea why you care so much about something so stupid. | ||
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On March 05 2014 06:22 Grackaroni wrote: Oatsmaster: Oatsmaster offers opinions of other origins. Oatsmaster often opposite others. Once overly open - obvious Oatsmaster Least bad post you've made in this thread. GJ. | ||
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Grackaroni has decided to be an asshole, but whatever, we can deal with that. He hasn't outed himself as scum. Good vigi shot if we have one though. His read on Oats is good. Oats is town MVP, is he's scum, I'm just going to actively try to lose the game for town. I have no idea why boone is so emotional. I don't like that she really focuses on those long summary posts and doesn't interact much with the thread, she hasn't really taken part in more than one "ongoing discussion" yet. austin is being wrong a lot and misrepresenting shit, not sure if it means his scum, but it very well could be. Robik's maybe town, based on what he said earlier. rayn idk, he looked okay-ish today, but I guess we'll see tomorrow when it's crunch time. VE is the same, he has done some things that make me think he could be town but he's also just chasing a lurker lynch for whatever reason. Not that I'd mind policy lynching GGtemplar and then yelling at him post-game if he flips town, but it's just so pointless this early in the day Dandel is meh. Slam looked good early and is now just not here. Both players should troll less tomorrow and help clear up the picture. All in all, I think the day was... okay-ish. Tomorrow we go after actual targets. if like 2-3 people stop trolling/lurking/saying bad thing then we should have a decent chance of hitting scum tomorrow. | ||
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If nothing else, I clarified with thrawn that the wording on the OP is actually 100% correct. So amongst other reasons I want to policy lynch her for roleclaiming on day 1. | ||
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##Vote Boonetown | ||
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Why do you not want to lynch boone rayn? | ||
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On March 05 2014 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't see a reason why i should lynch her. Here's a few things. The most important one Kill roleclaimers And then there's the shit she posted. On March 04 2014 15:08 boonetown wrote: so, you're attempting to prove 2 things right now from what i can gather, 1) you have no idea what 'text book scum' means AND 2) you don't know how to read people that you've never played with. I was actually attempting to be funny with my first post while at the same time letting everyone know I wasn't down to just lynch someone based on RNG. I guess I'm not as funny as I thought, and having an opinion that differs from the rest, is seen as scummy here. FML, I should stick to video mafia. CAN'T YOU READ THE TONE OF MY VOICE!? She's completely misunderstanding the reason why people are suspicious, no one (I think) was calling her out on not wanting to RNG vote. The problem is that she doesn't explicitly state she's against it, even mentions she might be willing to join the bandwagon later. On March 05 2014 02:11 boonetown wrote: GGtemp - (I am directing this directly to Templar himself) I am having a hard time finding a world in which you are town here. Maybe it's because this is a different medium than we are used to playing mafia together on, but you seem very off, withdrawn, trolly and the way you are voting boggles my mind. I have a much easier time in games when I can read you town and trust you, because in late game you're awesome. The way you are throwing around reads with no explaination, and jumping on the boonetown bandwagon causes me to believe you are not town. You know better than to vote so fast on something so small. She reads so much from so little posting... She tried to push what is essentially a lurker lynch. At the time templar had posted nothing of value to the thread. A few people tried to push him around this time too (VE, killing). I explained why pushing lurkers was really pointless this early in the game. I'm not saying I'm opposed to killing templar, he's doing some really stupid shit, but that doesn't justify this read. On March 05 2014 05:32 boonetown wrote: I ask asked in the QT by Austin if it 'bothered' me that everyone was calling GGtemplar scum now. My answer was no, and I went on to say that I found it very contradicting that he would question how i felt on a templar BW, when more people were talking about me and my allignment and voting on me earlier, and he didn't once bring that up in the thread or QT. Unless I missed that, but I don't think I did. I sort of hate this game. I have no idea what she's even saying here. I think she's accusing austin of being scum based on him asking whether or not she felt the BW on templar was looking suspicious, while asking the same question about the bandwagon on her. And somehow this means austin is scum? I don't even know... but I see nothing wrong with people asking questions inconsistently and why it makes her retract the read so hard, whatever. And even much later in the day, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20916949 She is still focusing on Templar, who is still lurking and not doing anything. In fact, she admits the next post she writes this post unaware of the huge post Templar just wrote, so she's still chasing a lurker lynch. She hasn't really bothered to look at anyone else except for flip flopping on austin based on something in the QT. She's just doing the constant attacks on templar when he's not even in the thread to defend himself. | ||
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On March 05 2014 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really don't like the bolded part because apparently there is also another mason group who also claimed and i don't know what are the "other reasons". As far as I understood, the other group is the "foundation group". There is only one of those, so your group is something else. I don't really care what it is, but it has to be a role of some sort, so I'm killing boone for roleclaiming. | ||
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I clarified with thrawn that his wording is CORRECT. There should only be one foundation chat at time. So whatever it is that you/austin/her are in, is not the foundation chat. One of you has a role, or the host decided to add random hidden mechanics to the game for lulz. I'm inclined to think it's the former. So, I'm killing boonetown for roleclaiming. I thought I was gonna kill austin today for misrepresenting my position, but this kill is better. | ||
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I still think we should lynch boone. The QT makes her look a tiny bit better, but tbh I also have this nagging feeling that she outed the QT as a desperation move. And then there's the point I made earlier on how much she's doing statements instead of conversations. | ||
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But whatever, I think this is an okay lynch, then we shoot someone like killing or austin or something. | ||
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On March 05 2014 22:33 justanothertownie wrote: Could you explain to me the scum motivation of outing the qt to the thread? In what way exactly would that be a desperation move? There is no reason to out the QT as either alignment because if all these people happen to be town, mafia knows where to shoot for a chance of a blue role. I refuse to believe there is a random mechanic in the game, so I'm pretty sure it has to be role related. She did it just to throw information out there. The only thing I take from it is that she wants to reveal she has additional information, but that might be a town thing to do as well. ie: she raised a new discussion point and her status in the thread. It's good for both alignments but a bad play in general. Why does boone perform a bad play for her own sake? It can be explained by her being both scum and town, which is why I said "I have this feeling". ie: I cannot prove it. | ||
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On March 05 2014 22:52 justanothertownie wrote: So you don't have any strong scumread right now palmar? What do you think of rayn now that he has posted a lot more? I think boone is scum. I think austin is scum. If it helps you get a clearer picture: town to scum list: Town-ish reads: Palmar IAmRobik Oatsmaster Leaning town-reads: Dandel Ion Grackaroni Alakaslam Null/no idea/not read. raynpelikoneet justanothertownie VisceraEyes maybe scum: Killing GGTeMpLaR probably scum: boonetown austinmcc I am almost always wrong on at least one scum (and give him a townread) though. | ||
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On March 05 2014 22:59 justanothertownie wrote: This wagon is just rolling so easy. Everybody seems to read boone scum. yeah maybe. tbh though most of the people on the wagon can be town. I don't think it's a scum-driven wagon, even if it might end up being wrong. | ||
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On March 05 2014 23:14 justanothertownie wrote: And since when exactly are those things towntells for oats? It seems to me like you only registered that he engaged people and didn't pay any attention to the content of his posts. No I did, and I cba explaining it. If I'm wrong I'm wrong and will deal with it later. | ||
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Not today. You won't get any support for lynching Oats today. How about you focus your efforts into figuring out if there is scum anywhere in the people that are possibly going to get lynched? (templar, boone, austin etc etc). | ||
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gj, you get townie points for that. | ||
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On March 05 2014 23:28 justanothertownie wrote: No, just no oats. I will ignore you for now. @Palmar: Your reads on VE/rayn - are you not able to read them right now or did you not look at them? Because I think that would be really important. I can't blame you for townreading only the trolls (I agree on Dandel and slam at the very least) though. Thing is though all the trolls have made random good observations. Rayn has played pretty genuinely but there's something about it that's not quite right. He's just not jovial enough or something, it feels a bit off, which is why I've given him the 0 read. VE looked okay when he started posting but he's not really done much since. | ||
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On March 06 2014 00:23 justanothertownie wrote: My situation is the following: I have a few people I won't lynch today period and the rest is equally inactive+scummy. I see no good reason (based on their play) to believe anyone of Killing/GGTemplar/boone is town for example. Who do you not want to lynch? | ||
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On March 06 2014 06:06 justanothertownie wrote: Palmar! Where are you? I no longer care about this game. Everyone is refusing to play so why should I. Lynch me if you want to, I'm gonna vote and afk for the rest of the game. | ||
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Good, enjoy solving it. | ||
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On March 06 2014 03:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Because when I reread Templar before I slept I felt better about him. I see you've got a case against him now, let me go have a look-see. This may be unfortunate wording on VE's part and thus a null issue, but it's actually a straight up lie if this is _exactly_ what he meant. | ||
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##vote VE It's false that he "re-read" ggtemplar before he went to sleep and that changed his read on ggtemplar. There was nothing to re-read, what he did was read and respond to ggtemplar's big post and followup and he immediately made up his mind there, there was no re-reading involved as there couldn't have been. so the "re" part of "re-reading" is lying. + I just like killing VE. | ||
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On March 06 2014 07:47 austinmcc wrote: Secretly hoping that this is Palmar voting VE to scare people on VE so they vote Killing instead. tbh I just looked at VE's wagon and all the scum are on there. so I should probably switch. Then again, VE is being super easy to lynch and he normally isn't as town, hell the dude raged for pages on me when I asked him to get lynched as town. | ||
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VE doesn't deserve to live but whatever. rayn is more likely to be scum now than before. boone is still scum, austin looks more townie. ve slightly more scummy, ggtemplar a tiny tiny bit more towny (still in the red-null side). rest stands. | ||
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On March 06 2014 07:53 justanothertownie wrote: What now palmar? Hammer Killing pls. I'd rather deal with VE later in the game than that dude. I'm amazed boone isn't getting lynched. She should be an auto-lynch. | ||
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On March 06 2014 07:56 justanothertownie wrote: She claimed medic. Did you notice that? Day 1 roleclaimers should get policy lynched for bads. I already said as much... | ||
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On March 06 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote: wtf is palmar doing? VE might be scum, killing might be too. doesn't matter, I can better deal with VE later in the game. | ||
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Gonna re-read tomorrow. | ||
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So yeah, I'll comment on as many ideas as I can today, please start presenting cases and short reasons and I'll try my best to read those and give input. | ||
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On March 07 2014 08:09 justanothertownie wrote: You might want to explain your actions. Doesn't need a reread to do that. I am disappointed - 2 claimed vigs and noone shot? which actions, around the deadline? VE was being lazy, I thought me asking him not to be would encourage him to do more stuff if he's town. VE is too good as town to not get lynched day 1 unless he's being lazy, so I was very unsure. It was just genuine confusion. I had no way of guaranteeing dandel would hammer VE so it's not as if this was some planned flip flop. This is how I act when I end up in the situation of not knowing shit, it's sorta uncomfortable, I've known plenty about the games I'm playing since I started playing again a month or two ago, but in this one I'm just confused. Guess I'm just having a shit game. | ||
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On March 07 2014 08:12 justanothertownie wrote: Have you ever been so terribly defensive as town? I'm not being defensive I think, I'm taking a step back to rethink what I'm doing. | ||
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On March 07 2014 08:12 thrawn2112 wrote: Please stand by, the Time Vault is opening. A Message From Hari Seldon..... + Show Spoiler [Open Time Vault] + Grack and Killing both made a concerted effort to push VE amidst the void that was created once the other lynch targets started looking town. I do believe Grack and Killing to be mafia, both for this push, and for their play individually. Grack trolled most of the day and his only contribution was “lynch VE”. He is obviously mafia. Killing is similar in that he did nothing early, which shows a lack of initiative, a trait that mafia display early on because of their information advantage and overall reactionary nature. His reads, as pointed out by many, are highly inconsistent and suspect. I believe the other three DM players (boone, Robik, GG) to all be town. They have put in more effort than anyone else this game thus far. They all seem reasonable. I also believe Rayn, JAT, Dandel, and Oats to be town.. I lean toward Austin being town as well, but I cannot confirm this to be the case. Palmar is an enigma. His lynching of VE is not outside the realm of possibility of town Palmar’s play, but I do not like that he “quit” on town halfway through the day. At least pressure him to play the game again, do not ignore him. Slam is literally the most unreadable player I’ve ever seen. His voting suggests that he’s mafia, given that he voted both boone (who I think is town) and VE, who we all know was town. Probably from austin? | ||
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On March 07 2014 08:19 Palmar wrote: ah fuck the message has austin in 3rd person. meh it has everyone in 3rd person. Probably should disregard it, although I don't mind people going after me, tbh if a few people tried to lynch me that would probably be okay, but only if they actively push while I'm around. | ||
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On March 06 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: I don't know what Palmar's deal was today. What's the problem, didn't I end up voting your lynch target? | ||
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On March 07 2014 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey Palmar what's your read on ggtemplar? His consistency in yelling at you that you're scum seems somewhat genuine. On a general note I think his stance is too controversial for him to be mafia. | ||
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@boone, yes it's extremely normal for me as either alignment to push policy lynches. I am very, very mad that you did not get lynched yesterday as claiming on day 1 is like the worst possible play you can make. I don't give a shit about alignments, day 1 roleclaimers should always be lynched. GJ, now we have to deal with wifom for the rest of the game why you haven't been shot yet! But now it's day 2, we have some information, so it's too late to push a policy lynch on you. yaaaay. If you're mafia, gj, you just won the game, if you're town, NEVER claim day 1 again. Note, if I was mafia I would say exactly the same thing, so this is not alignment indicative. Policy lynching = good. | ||
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On March 07 2014 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you read the game i posted? His scumgame.. where he acts just like this, attacks people and not their arguments and calls everyone who calls him scum mafia. Nevermind, i'll make a case tonight if people don't even bother to investigate anything themselves. Might be, and tbh he did random things early and didn't come back until people were massively suspicious on him and there was a wagon. I wonder if he would've come back to the thread if VE/others weren't trying to lynch him. And no I didn't read his scumgame, I don't do meta that I don't understand. | ||
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On March 07 2014 19:22 Oatsmaster wrote: I say we lynch Boone today, I dont see why she didnt get shot and instead scum shot austin, a potential mislynch. I don't think austin is a potential mislynch. he was lazy early on but he came on really strong later in the day, I had even changed my mind on him before that last minute dance. On March 06 2014 07:46 Palmar wrote: I think austin may be town btw. And no, we should have lynched boone yesterday. Today it's too late, today she's a claimed medic so let's just hope someone can either confirm her, or we lynch her much later in the game. Today we have to shoot for scum. I think killing is an option, grack is an option, ggtemplar is an option... I'm not sure. Maybe I should re-look at dandel or you or rayn? I have no idea tbh, I'm having (for some reason) a super hard time figuring this town out. Maybe I'm just having a bad game /shrug | ||
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Pushing a lurker lynch with more than 24+ hours left in the day is just strange, who knows if the people are gonna come back and do shit. Day 1 is all about doing efficient lynches. I'm very guilty of not being able to convince town of making a good choice on day 1. We should not have ended up on VE and that is on me too. I made the illogical conclusion that he wouldn't die easily as town when I know he has done that in the past (which is exactly why I asked him to actually play the game early). | ||
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On March 07 2014 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: He's like throwing it out there that he does not trust me (idk why because he never says why) and he doesn't offer a solution for a leader - like Dandel, you, etc... Seems uncharacteristic from Palmar. I'm just still looking for that one nugget, one point that makes you town. | ||
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On March 07 2014 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Have you ever been in a game where i am scum Palmar? I can't remember if I have, I don't think so tbh. But remember, I don't use meta like that anyway. | ||
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Also I need to go back and check if Dandel had any reasons for calling VE scum (because he last minute sheeped when I was changing my mind). | ||
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On March 07 2014 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you seriously think Dandel is mafia? No, I thought he was town based on his early game. But I have no idea why he flipped over to VE, but maybe he just did it, guess it doesn't say much about his alignment. But it would be nice if I could find out what motivated him. | ||
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Can you tell me why you sheeped me on him? even if it was just a yolo thing. | ||
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On March 07 2014 22:45 Dandel Ion wrote: I thought/think Killing is prolly town VE at least could have well been scum Also I wasn't fully caught up on the thread and when I refreshed voting thread at :59 I saw you voteswitch on him and I figured you could have some reason for that I didn't see yet so I then decided to fuck it yolo. yeah. I guess that's reasonable enough. | ||
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I will re-read robik today or tonight. | ||
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On March 07 2014 23:36 IAmRobik wrote: on that note. I've cast my vote. If you want to mislynch me and put yourself in a worse position than you're in now, go for it. The amusement I'm getting from this game is non-existent. I might check in every once in a while to laugh at anyone that follows Dandelion How helpful. | ||
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On March 07 2014 23:51 justanothertownie wrote: Also, robik: tell us exactly what is wrong with dandels case on you please. Since you think it is really bad that should be easy. I want to hear this too. this emotional outburst is not helping you. | ||
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But whatever, we're behind, stop responding to dandel and make some smart cases then. | ||
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If town is a bit dumb, you make the arguments that fit that town, you wouldn't explain shit in the same way to a class of playschool kids as you would to a group of university students. It's YOUR job to get your point through. | ||
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On March 08 2014 00:51 IAmRobik wrote: FOS you for voting VE, which you admitted today that your terrible reasoning was in fact wrong from the get-go FOS anyone that jumped on your early RL of VE. FOS Dandelion for fabricating a case against me FOS Joey cause he's not playing his town game and he was the other wagon yesterday, so lynching him would be our best play...even our ONLY play. Also, if there's a vigi in this game, they're bad for not shooting Joey I don't particularly care what you think of me tbh | ||
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meh.. I think I'd rather lynch killing or something for now. | ||
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And he has sounded somewhat towny in some of his posts. I don't have any strong feelings about it, and maybe it'd be a good thing to just try to lynch him. Either he starts being useful or he dies, and his reads are usually quite good as town. | ||
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On March 09 2014 01:08 IAmRobik wrote: From the first couple pages of his filter that I read, Palmar should be getting a lot of heat. why? | ||
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On March 09 2014 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar why you let the VE lynch happen. I made it happen. And because he shouldn't be an easy lynch on day 1 as town, his lack of standing up for himself in the thread or even trying to get the lynch off him made me think he could be mafia. | ||
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that's terrible logic, so please retract that statement. No deaths incriminate anyone. | ||
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On March 09 2014 02:39 justanothertownie wrote: I will look in here pretty often but I have stuff to do right now. The problem with figuring this shit out is that everyone is more or less scummy this game. I usually work by POE so this is hard. Do you think rayn is town JAT? I really want your answer on that one. | ||
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On March 09 2014 02:43 justanothertownie wrote: I really don't know. He was afk at deadline yesterday wasting his vote (he said so before though) and like I just said he isn't questioning enough people. This is the big rock in my way to getting onwards in this game. I'm pretty sure you and Oats are town, and everything I do assumes Boone is now confirmed town because she should have been lynched yesterday but that ship has sailed for now. Me/ve/austin are town too so that leaves 7 people I'm sort of flopping around on. templar, grack, dandel, slam, killing, robik, rayn. So here's the problem, who do I clear in this list? On day 1 I had robik, grack, dandel, slam all as townreads, but I wouldn't be surprised I'm wrong on some of those, especially grack hasn't really stepped up which seems contradictory to the fact that I think he wants more respect on TL mafia as town. ugh, hard game. | ||
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On March 09 2014 02:46 Oatsmaster wrote: I think this is like the 3rd or 4th time ive seen ve mislynched day1 so its not like an uncommon thing as you seem to be saying VE _used_ to be super townie on day 1, you can probably find old games with me saying that VE's best quality is that he is always wrong and always look super green. VE has changed his play up quite a bit during the time I've mostly been away. | ||
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On March 09 2014 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar you are either scum or playing a really bad game if you seriously consider that i am mafia. I'm not scum, so help me out here. Do you agree with my list of townies? Do you agree Oats/Jat are town and boone should be treated as town? | ||
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On March 09 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dandel and Slam also strong townreads for me. uh if that is true, you don't "have no idea" who the third is. It is grack or (boone/palmar). | ||
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yourself/dandel/slam/oats/Jat are all town. killing/robik/templar = 1 town so that simply leaves 3 players... me/boone/grack. So I don't know. | ||
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If I am still as undecided as I am now I'll probably just sheep JAT tbh. I think we should not kill Robik, I absolutely hate how he's playing but I'm not sure it makes him mafia. Templar is a decent choice, killing too. | ||
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On March 09 2014 05:55 IAmRobik wrote: 1) If we have 2 wagons today, I don't think that Palmar should be aside Joey. I think that they more than likely are of the same alignment. If Joey flips scum, then Palmar's late vote on him is super scummy. If Joey flips town, then there's no reason for Palmar to make himself look scummier by flopping from Joey to VE at the very end. Hi. Stop making terrible associative reads, especially pre-flip ones. | ||
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On March 09 2014 07:44 Dandel Ion wrote: dunno nobody is talking right before deadline and there's only one wagon. Yes it feels off, but whatever. | ||
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Hopefully. I'm having an off game, clearly, but at least I'll do town the favor of not being a mislynch. | ||
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Oats getting shot by mafia, what's the world coming to. Well played buddy. | ||
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no I'm filling the holes on that thing. The first sentence is what I just said. | ||
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second paragraph starts with "watch palmar, I think he is..." | ||
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I checked Slam N1 and he is ----. I -o-- ------- -a---, and I --i-- think he is mafia. H-- ---- d-- --t ---r--- D2, -- --t-al-y --- ---- l-r-y --d --el---. His vote on killing is suspicious. He is absolutely your lynch for today. I -n-- --- -h- --- v---, --- I -a- -o -s- it ----e----, -o I --n'- h--p --u m--- t---y. Watch Palmar. I think he is --- ---r- -a---. His vote was bad and he has basically -e-c-- --- of this game m--t-l-y. -t--r -h-n h-- a-- G----, I ---n- ---t ----y--- ---e i- ----. I'll have more --- for D4. | ||
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On March 10 2014 08:57 justanothertownie wrote: Any reason for why rayn isn't even mentioned in this post? ready your tinfoil hat JAT. What if Austin got shot so we wouldn't start randomly lynching into the QT claimed on day 1 as if it was the scumQT and have it sorta work as 2/3 members are scum anyway. | ||
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it hardly is dandel based on him disagreeing with sheldon on robik yesterday it's not oats/ve/austin town heroes not slam, if the check is real so... robik, templar, boone, rayn, you... | ||
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boone can probably be cut out based on her stance on JAT (as more likely scum than me) today. So that leaves robik, jat, templar, rayn | ||
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On March 10 2014 16:01 thrawn2112 wrote: whoops, there's been a mistake. "-a---" should be "--a--" The following is the correct version. Note that this happened because of host error and nothing due to the setup. + Show Spoiler [Open Time Vault] + - c--ck-d Sl-- N1 --- h- i- ----. - -o-- ------- --a--, --d - --i-- -hi-- -e -- -a---. H-- ---- d-- --t ---r--- D2, -- --t-al-y --- ---- l-r-y --d --el---. His v-t- o- ----i-- i- ---p-----s. H- -- a-s--u--l- y--- l-nc- --r t---y. I -n-- --- -h- --- v---, --- I -a- -o -s- it ----e----, -o I --n'- h--p --u m--- t---y. W-t-- P--m--. - --i-k h- i- --- ---r- -a---. H-- v-t- --- -a- -n- -e h-- ---i-all- -e-c-- --- -f --is game m--t-l-y. -t--r -h-n h-- a-- G----, I ---n- ---t ----y--- ---e i- ----. -'-l h--- -o-- --- -o- -4. See this is where we can add "Grack" to the mix  | ||
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On March 10 2014 11:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote: ##Vote: Palmar See, I need you guys to elaborate on what reasons you have behind those in order to explain why you're wrong. There is literally no downside as town to expand upon your reasoning, as if I am mafia I will be unable to explain why I'm not. | ||
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On March 10 2014 15:10 IAmRobik wrote: Also, I read both messages, I very much doubt that Hari is "fictitious." You can tell that what's written is done so in the nighttime, as it doesn't have information on the night kills. I agree with this. The only problem I have is that I'm not entirely certain of Hari's alignment, but if he is mafia he has done a good job of continuity with the Slam plotline. If you read his day 2 post, he mentions Slam being completely unreadable which makes perfect sense with him checking Slam on n1. The good news is that if he's cop, we will get another check on day 3 no matter what, as messages are almost certainly written at nighttime. Sort of hoping he checks me. | ||
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So Palmar, now that people want to lynch you, maybe it's time you start doing something. | ||
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On March 10 2014 18:07 Palmar wrote: Fuck it I'll just talk to myself then. So Palmar, now that people want to lynch you, maybe it's time you start doing something. Yeah don't worry, I'm preferably not going to get lynched, but at least I will make whoever wants to lynch me earn the lynch, that will leave a ton of information because the lynch will have to be actively pushed, so town can then check if people had legitimate motivation for pushing me. I'll also try to leave as much information as I possibly can to the thread, that sounds like a good idea. | ||
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On March 10 2014 18:09 Palmar wrote: Yeah don't worry, I'm preferably not going to get lynched, but at least I will make whoever wants to lynch me earn the lynch, that will leave a ton of information because the lynch will have to be actively pushed, so town can then check if people had legitimate motivation for pushing me. I'll also try to leave as much information as I possibly can to the thread, that sounds like a good idea. So who do you think is scum then? | ||
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I'm pretty convinced JAT is town too, as I said yesterday, he's just being way too reasonable to be scum. | ||
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Also this is confusing I'm going to tag the posts using a color, so I know which head is talking. | ||
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I'm picking confirmed-town-green. It's a great color. | ||
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So Boone did have a town read on JAT in the early game, and to be honest she has repeatedly mentioned and is very much aware of her changing stance throughout the game on JAT. On March 06 2014 02:40 boonetown wrote: JAT and Slam are probably town for how they pushed on me, trying to figure out the game This next post is the only content post that actually says why JAT is mafia. And it's for the most part based on Austin's read. On March 07 2014 08:45 boonetown wrote: Austin says (in order as I read) Jat worries him. The only thing he really liked about JAT was that he questioned if the QT's should be open about what's discussed within them. He thinks JAT is a little too interested in the QTs, and that you didnt really do much other that ask a lot of questions about it. He questioned why you rebuffed VE wanted to talk about templar, when you're all in a QT together. He thinks that you were trying to put together an attack/case against me by questioning my reasons for my reads on Austin. "His suspects are all the common suspects. No idea who to lynch, maybe Killing/GG/Boone. Shocker. Won't kill VE (why?), slam (why?), DI (why?)" that was about JAT still. This is also really good to bring up I think : "He's NEVER giving his own reasons for why GGtemplar or killing or anyone are mafia. And he's chippy with oats, like...calling oats out for not making points to convince JAT of something, while JAT never takes the time to make original points against ANYONE." Is that typical of JAT, cause I was actually reading him super town yesterday. He wanted to know about past games JAT was in. And then she just has a new read, mostly based on associative stuff about Killing On March 10 2014 08:39 boonetown wrote: This is what I prepared last night in the off chance that i was alive. I think there is a mafia between Palmar and Dandel. I hate how they changed their vote literally in the last minute of the lynch from KILLING/TEMPLAR to VE, ensuring his death. If there is one between the two, I'm certain it's Dandel. Now, I have flip flopped a LOT on Oats and JAT, and so, other than Grack whom i think is mafia, the other possible mafia is JAT imo. I reread joey's filter and he tries really hard not to talk to, or about either of them. JAT is mentioned more than Grack but still very seldom. Templar and Robert are town in my eyes, You're my biggest question mark but I have thought you were town for this long, I dont want to get paranoid and change that read. Alakaslam is another WTF for me but if I had to make an opinion of him on the spot, it would be town. So to sum it up, I think that Dandel, Grack and JAT are most likely scum, with Palmar trailing at the end. But the problem here is that JAT isn't the only read boone doesn't explain. She writes a lot about who she thinks is mafia or town, but seems to have a really tough time pointing out the "why". So I have no idea if it makes her scum. It makes her hard to read and it makes her reads pretty pointless for everyone else as there is no way anyone can related to those feels. What I know is that boone's filter does not make me doubt the town read I have on JAT. | ||
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So we just ignore boone based on the medic claim? This is the thing, I am, just as you are a fan of the whole "We don't come back to lynches unless we really should." And boone should have been policy lynched on day 1. I'm not sure how much we need to consider her. Also while I didn't look at the JAT stuff specifically, I noticed her filter is fairly short and contains a lot of those "statement posts" (think holyflare's play in survivor series). | ||
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Meh, we could always just leave her out. Just ignore that she exists and look at other targets, and only come back to her if we run out of mafia candidates. Grack is probably the one we should be checking out, thank you based hairy sheldon. | ||
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Go read Grack bitch. | ||
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So remember how I had a town read on Grack on day 1, that was mostly based on him making a few really good reads (imo at the time). I thought him being right = him being town. Here is his read on Slam: On March 04 2014 14:57 Grackaroni wrote: Alakaslam ez town read. You no vote slam you need sheep. Sheep Grack win. Grack win = good. I totally forgot about this post too, this is where I called Grack out for being useless/trolling. (remember on day 1 I was trying to get people to play the game). On March 05 2014 01:55 Grackaroni wrote: I wasn't implying that you have to be town. It's just you have people who you like which coincidentally appear to be the people who like you. Another little nugget: VE apparently called Grack out: On March 05 2014 06:04 Grackaroni wrote: Drats suspicion. And I was the confirmed town too - prime sheeping material whenever I figure out who I will kill. You suck VE. This next post is the big town-read post. When Grack posted this I felt really sure that he had to be town, there is no reason really for mafia to ever give Oats (knowing how Oats is usually a lynchbait) a townread. You can almost count on Oats to be there to screw up for town in lylo, but Oats actually played a very impressive game and (ironically I am the lynchbait now...) and Grack gave him props for it. So Grack has thrown out two town-reads on people who are almost certainly town, and at this point he also seemed to like me as town too. See! I loved that post! On March 05 2014 08:32 Grackaroni wrote: eh It's really not as hard this game as last game. I'm sure that Slam is town. Oats looks pretty good to me. DI looks quite good when you compare this game to his scum play. Robik is pretty active and I'm inclined to believe that he would lurk as mafia. Palmar looks decent. From there you just have to narrow it down. Rayn and VE both sound like fun lynches to me. Boone/Killing are harder for me to read because I'm unfamiliar with them and they make longer posts, which I misread frequently because players have plenty of time to craft them and make those posts look good. This is a super interesting post from Grack. He gives me/dandel/slam/robik all a pass. We know VE is town now. Rayn is still that one piece of the puzzle I just can't get. If anyone can explain to me if the part about "I'm inclined to believe that he (robik) would lurk as mafia" is a legitimate read, that would be great. I have no idea why Grack would assume this. But it could be based on past games? assuming robik is a newbie? idk. To give Grack what he deserves, he was at least trying to poke at the game. On March 05 2014 15:34 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn can you please talk about your Austin read? Usually when you find something suspicious you will harp on about it until people agree with you. Why did you drop your suspicion? This is one of few posts where Grack is poking at Rayn, several others regard to rayn's call for a policy lynch on Grack. On March 06 2014 03:49 Grackaroni wrote: hmmm I like Austin's killing points. Again, to be fair to Grack, he did like me come around on austinmcc when austin started posting. The timing of this post is very important. Grack who had previously agreed to a Killing lynch changed his mind based on Killing's "remorse" post, if you want to call it that. He then moved over to VE who Grack was also pressuring at the time. This next post is written when I had just made the switch over to Killing and called for everyone to go hammer Killing (something Grack did not do). On March 06 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote: wtf is palmar doing? Since this Grack hasn't really done anything at all in the game. He argued a bit with Oatsmaster, but his filter is extremely short and he doesn't appear to be really trying to win. That all being said, he has for the most part explained his pushes (his VE push had reasons, they weren't great but they were there). He did explain why the post by killing made Grack think Killing is town. So there are some points in his favor. However his filter is _extremely_ short, there is almost no content in it. And here's another post that looks quite bad. On March 09 2014 00:09 Grackaroni wrote: Has anyone questioned Palmar on his thought process from the end of the day? He never followed up on this against me, didn't even bother asking me himself. He just threw that out there but apparently did not care at all about the results this would generate. He may be lazy and trolling but he may also be scum. For now I'd say I stick him at the bottom of my town->scum list and see if anyone drops below him before we start lynching Palmar Jat Slam boone Grack I still need to read these other people: Robik Dandel Templar rayn | ||
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So you're saying Grack is scum? | ||
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No I'm saying that he is more likely than the other people I have read to be scum. And that is with the caveat of leaving boone out of the equation for now. | ||
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this is the problem though, if we leave boone out and she happens to be mafia, we're hunting for one mafia in like... 8 people or something, it's actually kinda hard to do. | ||
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btw did you read rayn's wall of text? | ||
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No, not yet, but I guess I can do that now... | ||
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Meh it's mostly boring tbh. I really, really need to have another read of Robik's filter. It's sorta hard to believe that we had two mafia up for lynch yesterday, but it's of course possible. If I could clear or convict Robik that would be almost as much of a help as clearing rayn. Seems like rayn wants to lynch templar though. He does have reasons in that post, but I'm not sure how good they are. I guess I'll make a decision when I've had time to read templar again. These two should probably be my next targets for reading again. Dandel/rayn are going to have to wait. | ||
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Oh there we go, sniped by rayn, he does in fact want to lynch templar. Very caps Much rage | ||
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afk a while, then I'll read rayn's case and then templar's filter, as that seems to be the most pressing question in the thread right now. | ||
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I'm out as well. | ||
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This is a bit hypocritical rayn. Do you think Grack is not mafia? If you think he's not I'd love to actually hear why besides: On March 10 2014 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i just said about Slam applies to Grack. Grack busses, a lot. While he hasn't done much this game he is not pushing mafia agenda. He can get bored as town, but i have never seen him do that as scum. If he somehow is scum there is most likely a vocal scumplayr, but that looks quite unlike to me atm (jsut because people who are vocal and actually do something and push the thread forward are me/JAT/Oats, especially on D2). This is just a strange associative read. Also, I'm looking back at your post from yesterday where you said you thought yourself/oats/dandel/slam/jat are all town. On March 09 2014 02:58 Palmar wrote: the logic is this: yourself/dandel/slam/oats/Jat are all town. killing/robik/templar = 1 town so that simply leaves 3 players... me/boone/grack. So I don't know. So where is the last mafia rayn? is it me? boone? grack? | ||
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In fact rayn, I'm really interested in knowing what you actually think of me, if you had to make a split second decision now, am I scum? | ||
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Just read your case rayn bro. And don't act so angry, it really, really isn't helping anyone. We had mafia up for lynch 2/2 days, sure I fucked up and lynched VE on day 1, but there was a mafia case going. People ARE reading the thread and trying to get shit done, it's just harder than usual because a few people are trolling and half the town is new faces we're not used to dealing with. Then we got hit by a weekend which always means patchy activity. Before I tell you whether or not I want to follow your case I really need you to answer the questions I presented, especially what you think about the options for a third mafia in your scenario. In addition, I'd love it if you point out the single most important part of your case. What one action absolutely condemns templar as mafia. Trust me, I want you to be town and I want to follow you. I just need to know it's safe. You're sometimes very easy to read, and sometimes really hard to read. | ||
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On March 10 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know because you haven't done shit this game. This is also a cop-out answer. I don't care if you say "scum", the point is I want to know where you're leaning right now. | ||
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##Vote GGTemplar Rayn are you town? | ||
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On March 05 2014 09:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote: i. Alakascum Last game I played with Alakaslam, he was town and he trolled very differently - it made me want to policy lynch him because he really didn't ever explain his reads on Day1 and just trolled a lot like he wanted to be read scummy. This game, his early trolling read more like he was trying to be funny while still appearing to contribute. Not much to go on, which is why it was a simple gut read. -snip- Ultimately from their interactions, I came to have a light town read on Slam and a light scum read on Boone, which I still hold now. The only thing that's made me second-guess scumreading her is when she outed her QT thread for reasons that she was afraid of being manipulated in it by mafia and having it hurt town. -snip Top town is Robik. Town read on Killing too. Light town on Slam but it's more tentative. Still read Boone as mafia but there's still like 23 hours for me to evaluate shit. huehue These are from the same post. Rayn pointed it out day 1. Everyone is bad. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:19 Alakaslam wrote: Because you are pushing town to do stuff you know is useless and they continue to fall for it I no longer care why you think I'm scum let's lynch templar. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be fair he later on said "he explained his thought process on Slam read throughout the game" and that's why he wrote a scumread and townread on him in the same post. It kinda makes sense, what doesn't make sense is why he did it in the first place. His big post where he calls me/ve/dandel/boone scum is terrible too anyway. | ||
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VE Dandelion Killing Austin and he voted you at some point. so 9 scum reads and counting. And slam too of course. In fact, everyone is scum in templarworld. | ||
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are you fucking town? wow. | ||
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On March 11 2014 05:24 IAmRobik wrote: ##unvote ##vote Palmar Based on what? | ||
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On March 11 2014 05:28 IAmRobik wrote: VE vote d1 -subpar play all game -increased activity today when you knew you were going to get pressure -hari's ungodly wisdom 1. The VE vote was the most towny thing I've one this entire game. It was a terrible play, but it was not mafia play. Remember that I started out on VE. Then I randomly decided all the scum was on VE's wagon so I moved over to Killing, then I figured VE wasn't defending himself and was probably scum and went back. I had no guarantee that enough people would follow me to make the lynches count. In fact I pushed a few people onto Killing (who in your theory is my scumpartner) before moving back. 2. Yes I've had an off game. That doesn't make me mafia, it just means that something about this game doesn't quite click for me. Even now I'm still constantly doubting myself. I'm having to remind myself that rayn's interactions with ggtemplar look quite good, just so I don't doubt the townread on him because he feels still somewhat off this game. 3. Today is not weekend. That helps? 4. Shouldn't you be trying to lynch Grack then? hairy seems much more confident in his grack read. | ||
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On March 11 2014 07:29 justanothertownie wrote: You are really that convinced about rayn by now? The points he made about templar on day 1 basically showed he was reading the thread very attentively. I am no, not entirely certain, and a lot of his other play makes me question him being town, but it's good enough reasoning for me to assume he is. | ||
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On March 11 2014 09:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote: So there's far too many people this game who don't know how to read for them all to be scum, so most of the people doing dumb shit are probably just incompetent/lazy town who SHOULD feel stupid as hell when I flip green. At this point the best thing I can do is try to have my vote on scum when I die so I can feel better about getting lynched by logical fallacies. Rayn is probably just a noob town tunneled on me at this point, partially motivated by a meta-read from another game. Don't be the guy who blames other people for his lynch. The worst player in the thread is the one who gets lynched as he didn't manage to argue his way out of it, which is the entire point of playing mafia. No matter their alignment. On March 11 2014 09:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The way Palmar completely flipped on him/me though felt weak as fuck. I thought Palmar was scummy D1, and after analyzing the votes he's probably with Grack or Dandelion. Fortunately you still have a misslynch after you kill me so if you kill Palmar tomorrow, the order in which you kill Grack/Dandel doesn't matter too much. Kill the three of them and you probably win the game. I did not flip. Me flipping on something implies having had the opposite opinion beforehand. and the more I read this day the less I feel sure I'm making the right call. I am tempted to trust Sheldon and try to lynch Grack, but you lying about what I've done doesn't help your case. What I simply did is notice a few points in rayn's day 1 filter that suggest he's attentively reading the thread, and thus is less likely than before to be scum. I am still uncertain on him, but if I have any reason to believe he is town, I also have a reason to assume that he's doing his best. Your day 1 filter IS all over the place, if you explain why that is logical from your point of view I'll listen. On March 11 2014 09:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I was seduced into townreading Dandel by JAT after the D1 flip but in light of Killing flipping scum I think it's possible his analysis was just wrong, sort of like how he's wrong on me right now. If he's right though the last one is Grack. I scumread Dandel/Palmar D1 as well and D2 Grack went on my radar. Rayn defended all three of them and pushed me the whole game. No one wants to lynch rayn so if rayn is scum, all the town should feel stupid because they are (although they probably won't. they'll just blame me). And if I'm right that it's Palmar and Dandel or Grack, then Rayn should feel stupid for defending mafia against a town accuser the whole game and pushing a lynch on a townie who was trying to kill scum (although they probably won't. they'll just blame me). ##Vote: Palmar Tinfoil hat time: Templar could be mafia, but if he is, he is basically clearing me. There is literally no reason at all for the mafia team to clear me, I'm under heavy suspicion by multiple people. The reason I say he's clearing me is that I am still very much at risk at being lynched today, so if I flip town, templar looks bad, if templar flips mafia I look good. It makes very little sense from mafia perspective to leave a read like this by templar. I am actually really thinking about moving back to Grack. I would like input on that idea. | ||
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On March 11 2014 10:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote: It's harder for me to read into Grack though because he has more troll content whereas I think I have a better read on what Palmar is doing because it's just plain scummy. Please demonstrate where I have been scummy. | ||
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On March 04 2014 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: We lynch Grackaroni if he decides to troll, no fucking trolling because when he tries to play he is actually good or readable if he is mafia. Does this still apply? | ||
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Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum. Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic.. | ||
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maybe one mafia is doing that ^^ | ||
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Surprise motherfucker. I just finished up that other game. Taking over for these assholes now. | ||
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On March 12 2014 01:04 IAmRobik wrote: I'm at work, but I'm here. We're not being productive and if Palmar is town, he's still not doing dick, so like, I'm perfectly happy to lynch him cause he's probably mafia. And at the end of the game if he flips town and calls us bad for lynching him, well it's his fucking fault cause he's "confused" but didn't put the effort into the game that it deserved. Palmar from QT: If you're town this game palmar, you're a lazy POS and you should be rereading and trying to solve the game, not doing jack shit, having superficial interactions with yourself and with JAT. I am putting in effort, you're just not paying attention or you're unhappy I don't agree with your conclusions. I am not mafia, I am not being lazy and I'm most definitely not a piece of shit. You need to chill out dude. It's not my fault if you're skimming over the posts I've written today. I've, for example posted more than you, and there's quite a few interesting developments in my posts! You should read them at some point! | ||
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Remember, if I get lynched because you want me lynched, you've successfully managed to lynch me using terrible arguments (they're terrible by definition as I'm not mafia) and I couldn't win over bad arguments. hence, my fault. | ||
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On March 12 2014 01:50 boonetown wrote: you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages. other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes? Now don't go all lying on me, you have the shortest filter of anyone in the game by quite a bit. That's a good metric for lynching scum usually. But hey, I'm the listening type of person, let's hear what you have to say. And my vote isn't actually on you, I am not pushing towards your lynch right now, and that is precisely because all I have on you is that you are some wifom day 1 roleclaiming medic thing + your posts look very much like statement posts and you're very inactive and don't interact much with people in the thread. This looks bad, but I can't conclude you must be scum because of those things. So for now you're just some random medic. | ||
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On March 12 2014 01:51 IAmRobik wrote: My lynches today are Grack and Palmar with a sprinkle of Dandelion. I know that Rayn is gonna keep pushing Templar, but I refuse to vote on him and think he'd be a terrible lynch...About as terrible a lynch as Rayn thinks Dandelion is. I like how you're doing exactly the same shit to me today as Dandel did to you yesterday that made you go mental. Don't ignore me buddy. | ||
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On March 12 2014 01:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote: So Palmar, if you assume I am town, who is scum for you? If there is a green check on you I guess I just work on the list I posted, you can check it out yourself. Grack/boone are the next two options at the moment, but I could be wrong on someone like dandel. or maybe even robik. Until I think otherwise rayn is town and I'm pretty sure everyone agrees slam/jat are town. | ||
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On March 12 2014 01:59 IAmRobik wrote: I've already pointed out what I thought was scummy about you. You didn't really respond other than 'well, i'm confused this game and I suck this game so uhhh, yea. I can't be mafia cause I flipped off of mafia and onto town" then respond to it. For reference your reasons are here: On March 11 2014 05:28 IAmRobik wrote: VE vote d1 -subpar play all game -increased activity today when you knew you were going to get pressure -hari's ungodly wisdom And my response is here: On March 11 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote: 1. The VE vote was the most towny thing I've one this entire game. It was a terrible play, but it was not mafia play. Remember that I started out on VE. Then I randomly decided all the scum was on VE's wagon so I moved over to Killing, then I figured VE wasn't defending himself and was probably scum and went back. I had no guarantee that enough people would follow me to make the lynches count. In fact I pushed a few people onto Killing (who in your theory is my scumpartner) before moving back. 2. Yes I've had an off game. That doesn't make me mafia, it just means that something about this game doesn't quite click for me. Even now I'm still constantly doubting myself. I'm having to remind myself that rayn's interactions with ggtemplar look quite good, just so I don't doubt the townread on him because he feels still somewhat off this game. 3. Today is not weekend. That helps? 4. Shouldn't you be trying to lynch Grack then? hairy seems much more confident in his grack read. If you are not going to change your mind, you have to explain why my rebuttal is not satisfactory. Feel free to call me mafia but your thought process needs to be entirely in the thread for everyone to see, if you successfully lynch me it'll be there for everyone to scrutinize after I flip. | ||
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On March 12 2014 02:15 IAmRobik wrote: This string makes me think Grack could be town: Having said the above, do you guys believe that this is a rational reaction to Joey's woe is me post? Yes I already pointed out that this "remorse post" where Grack cleared killing looks somewhat bad and in addition his follow-up was Killing-favored. Here's what I wrote about the same part of the game as you are looking out. (I know you're trying hard to ignore my content but looksy, it's there!) On March 10 2014 19:09 Palmar wrote: -snip- Again, to be fair to Grack, he did like me come around on austinmcc when austin started posting. The timing of this post is very important. Grack who had previously agreed to a Killing lynch changed his mind based on Killing's "remorse" post, if you want to call it that. He then moved over to VE who Grack was also pressuring at the time. This next post is written when I had just made the switch over to Killing and called for everyone to go hammer Killing (something Grack did not do). Since this Grack hasn't really done anything at all in the game. He argued a bit with Oatsmaster, but his filter is extremely short and he doesn't appear to be really trying to win. That all being said, he has for the most part explained his pushes (his VE push had reasons, they weren't great but they were there). He did explain why the post by killing made Grack think Killing is town. So there are some points in his favor. However his filter is _extremely_ short, there is almost no content in it. And here's another post that looks quite bad. He never followed up on this against me, didn't even bother asking me himself. He just threw that out there but apparently did not care at all about the results this would generate. He may be lazy and trolling but he may also be scum. -snip- | ||
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On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote: your 4 explanatory points mean nothing. 1) You didn't push jack shit onto Killing. The two people that jumped onto killing after you (killing still wasn't the lynch target at this point) were me and JAT. I assure you that your vote did not influence my decision not ONE FUCKING IOTA. Unless JAT comes here and says that you influenced his vote, then point 1 is absolutely null and is you pulling at strings to give yourself some random fucking town cred that you don't deserve Fair enough but what other people think has nothing to do with whether or not I'm mafia. I can't control other people. The reality is that I called for a vote-switch onto Killing and it worked. Without knowing your mindset, I usually assume that when someone makes a switch like that, that people are agreeing and following it. I don't know your mindset, I'm not pulling any strings, until you clarified this just now, I absolutely 100% believed that people followed me onto the Killing lynch. You cannot consider my actions using your knowledge, you have to work with what you assume to be my knowledge at the time. There is no point and no explanation in doing the flip flop if I'm mafia. Especially remember that if I'm mafia with my incomplete information I assume that this makes me the main culprit for lynching VE. I could have sat on the VE lynch, I had given explanations for that one. There is no point but there is an explanation to doing the flip flop if I'm town. I simply had no idea what to do and VE wasn't exactly helping by convincing people to get off him. I think his exact words were "Get off me I'm town" and "jerks". On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote: 2) this is just you saying that you suck. I can agree with point 2 Well you accused me of subpar play. I don't suck at mafia, I'm at least okay! But yes, not a great game so far, although tbh, my 2nd scumread (boone was a policy lynch) on day 1 was mafia, sure, not great, but not terrible either. I ended up killing VE for being lazy, bad call. On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote: 3) This is an excuse. Cool. Your effort the previous day was lackluster as well. My filter is longer than half the people that are alive. Stop saying I'm not putting in effort because it's a straight up lie. I posted less on day 2 than on days 1 and 3, so what... the day ended up lynching the guy I wanted to lynch. Good result. On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote: 4) I don't know. Grack has had his ups and downs this game, but he's definitely one of my top scum candidates. Well so clearly you don't believe in the almighty wisdom of hairy sheldon. So I guess we agree this is a non-reason. Let's sum this up, your reasons for wanting to lynch me are: 1. doing something that's "bad" but can only be explained by me being town 2. Not having awesome reads all the time 3. Some perception that I'm not putting in effort when I am. 4. No reason I mean, if that's good enough for you, let's do it. But don't come saying I didn't warn you. | ||
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On March 12 2014 02:31 boonetown wrote: I'm not lying, I thought I was pretty active D1 and D2, or at least as active as life allowed me to be. I know some of my posts were longer but I explained why they would be, if you want me to explain it again... I will. No need, your filter isn't that long, I read it earlier during the day | ||
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On March 12 2014 02:34 IAmRobik wrote: I have a crazy fucking idea that will probably detract from actual scumhunting, but I wanna test it out. Anyone mind? Go for it. | ||
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On March 12 2014 02:39 IAmRobik wrote: over half of your posts on d1 were about rando lynching VE and questioning austin. you didn't even give rationale for either of your vote flops at the end. There wasn't much time, I explained it better later, although I did give reasons for thinking both of them were scum. Remember, the story is entirely consistent. I asked VE to be active. An active VE doesn't get lynched day 1. Getting lynched day 1 is reserved for lurkers, people who don't have time to play, people who fuck up and policy lynches. So when crunch time hits and VE is actually a very legitimate target I convinced myself that if he got himself into a ditch like that he wasn't putting in effort despite me asking him to, and was thus mafia. Clearly he had other reasons for getting lynched day 1 and I was wrong. I flipped on killing simply because he was a leaning mafia read for me (bottom 2 or so at the time). And I felt the wagon on him was shady, wish I had stuck with it but I didn't, I went back to the reasoning I just explained and killed VE, or well Dandel killed VE, but I enabled him doing that. | ||
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On March 12 2014 02:46 boonetown wrote: you have NO idea how nervous I was to get medic in my first forum game. no fucking idea. Why? Medic is like the easiest blue rule, you literally can't fuck up. Except for that one medic who protected the scum I tried to vigilante shoot. But other than that, just medic obvious townies. | ||
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On March 12 2014 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote: i love this song. | ||
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On March 12 2014 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Boone is almost definitely mafia if templar is mafia. She has done everything to defend him and the nightkills make absolutely zero sense for most of the TL players. Or Slam, if the check is somehow fucked up. In an imaginary world where templar is town 2 out of you/Grack/boone. Maybe even Slam if the check is fucked up. His vote is so terrible. But i don't live in imaginary world so i haven't really paid attention to this. I so hope you're right, that would allow me to say I was actually great at mafia all along. | ||
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On March 12 2014 06:28 Dandel Ion wrote: hue hue i iz plammer i gets easy town points nao hue hue don't worry whenever someone tries to lynch me I yell for a few pages or talk to myself and everything is fine again. | ||
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I'm trusting this rayn read. Templar did bad things early and I did not like them. I think rayn may be town (tentatively) | ||
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On March 12 2014 06:36 IAmRobik wrote: 3 post sequence 1) call dandelion scum 2) say you'll switch to boone 3) vote for the person that the person in post 1 is voting for This Robik. Even if I was serious about my dandel post your post wouldn't make any sense. There is always the chance I'm wrong on dandel, or that dandel is scum and bussing. You always vote for the player you think is most likely to flip mafia. If you allow yourself to make pre-flip associative reads you're literally handing the mafia weapons to manipulate the thread. By your logic, and assuming I think Dandel is actually scum, if dandel is scum all he should have to do in order to get his scumbuddy not lynched is vote that guy? Makes no sense. | ||
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also the deadline confused me I was gonna post about how "if I die during the night and templar flips town take a good look at rayn" Didn't have a great game, but town did well at not getting lynched. | ||
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But then again didn't believe he'd try so hard as town. | ||
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On March 12 2014 07:18 IAmRobik wrote: that vote change though palmar I told you, confused. | ||
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On March 12 2014 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote: GG all. Stop lynching VE and listen to him instead thx bye. Maybe actually try? You know that while I am terrible for lynching you, you're even worse for getting lynched. | ||
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On March 12 2014 07:43 IAmRobik wrote: Yeah, seriously, wtf palmar. I had no fucking idea what you were doing all game I told you, rayn confused me and thus I couldn't quite figure the game out. I kept being close (killing 2nd choice day 1, grack 2nd choice day 3) but yeah. Never played with rayn as scum before. And I was convincing you I wasn't scum, as I was pretty sure you weren't scum! | ||
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On March 12 2014 07:58 justanothertownie wrote: The problem was that you weren't sure YOU weren't scum. Or something like that... Oh lol, that was just reaction to how I had basically done my voting at very awkward times. | ||
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On March 12 2014 07:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe people should listen when I say I've figured the game out! Apparently that happens too! Sure but you should totally post more and not get lynched day 1! | ||
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On March 12 2014 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still don't understand the austin kill. Why kill someone everyone is suspicious of? Almost everyone was moving away from austin at the time I think, he posted pretty good stuff later on in the day. | ||
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On March 12 2014 08:42 austinmcc wrote: I don't remember people being suspicious of me at the end of the day. A little boone suspicion, and slam was on me, but otherwise hadn't everyone moved off? Pretty sure that the end of D1 looked really townie for me. Pretty much this. | ||
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On March 12 2014 08:42 IAmRobik wrote: That's fucking weird that I'm the only one who read Austin town. What fucking mafia takes however fucking long it took him to write a long ass post on what someone (VE) could be mafia (the case wasn't even that good) after saying "i don't know why you want me to do this" insinuating that he was going to be voting Joey anyway. You need to chill out dude! | ||
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It really, really proves the value of NOT GETTING LYNCHED as town. For some reason staying alive, just like sheeping, is a pretty devalued skill in mafia. Everyone wants to focus on amazing reads and shit, and while those are great, the main job of any townie can simply be to not get lynched. If townies don't get lynched town wins the game by default. | ||
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On March 13 2014 03:20 thrawn2112 wrote: 4) Palmar I'd like to hear why you decided to change to VE at the last second, that was so sad to watch. In the host qt we talked about how you *knew* rayn was scum, but for some reason you just couldn't convince yourself to follow through on that read. Your point about townies proving themselves to be town is a good one and it's something you were able to do well during that last cycle. The momentum was definitely heading towards a Palmar lynch and you forced rayn to have to step up and force his weird GGtemp lynch, which regardless of the lynch result, was probably something that would have eventually outed rayn. Said it multiple times. My logic is simply "Good townies don't get lynched day 1. VE is very close to getting lynched. VE is a good townie, thus VE must be scum". It's lazy/busy-people-paranoia, not much more to it. I have gotten lynched for the same on day 1 when I don't have time to play. (L, death note). Add in the fact that I don't know Killing so maybe his weird and bad play (from a town perspective) was the result of him not knowing what to do. | ||
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