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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 04 2014 16:46 GMT
#341
On March 05 2014 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Oats and Rayn are both buddying you so hard.


It's a valid strategy for mafia tbh. I suck at finding scum that just agree with me on everything.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 04 2014 16:50 GMT
#342
On March 05 2014 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Oats and Rayn are both buddying you so hard.


Btw at what point do you intend to do anything useful btw.

I mean you've thrown out a town-read on slam, which at the time was justified I think, and you seem to think I'm town (your wording that the two players mentioned are buddying me seems to imply that I must be town).

Do you think it's likely rayn is scum? If so, why?
Computer says mafia
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 04 2014 16:51 GMT
#343
so much noob claiming by the DM players.
No gg, No skill.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 04 2014 16:55 GMT
#344
On March 05 2014 01:50 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Oats and Rayn are both buddying you so hard.


Btw at what point do you intend to do anything useful btw.

I mean you've thrown out a town-read on slam, which at the time was justified I think, and you seem to think I'm town (your wording that the two players mentioned are buddying me seems to imply that I must be town).

Do you think it's likely rayn is scum? If so, why?

I wasn't implying that you have to be town. It's just you have people who you like which coincidentally appear to be the people who like you.

justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
March 04 2014 16:55 GMT
#345
On March 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no idea what JAT is doing other than being intentionally useless.

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 22:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 04 2014 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 04 2014 22:06 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 04 2014 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 04 2014 20:24 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2014 19:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Robik why are you picking on boone?
Can you give me a train of thought what she's doing in your opinion?


Do you not think his point on boone is fair?

Not necessarily. I might know what he is after but i am not sure.
On March 04 2014 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 04 2014 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 04 2014 19:08 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2014 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes Slam is most likely town.


Do you have any other reads?

Austin top scumread atm but i need to hear more from him.

Would you mind explaining? I get the slam read, just the austin read.

I liked Oats' point on him as i said. I don't know, why are you asking this, was i not clear enough? That's like the only thing that stood out for me besides what i have talking about / asking in thread but it's not enough for me to call austin totally scum for it, especially considering i have a history of totally misreading him in exactly 100% of our games together.

Hm, ok. I didn't remember that. Also I think it is a pretty weak reason for a scumread. Especially since what oats said is not true.

What have i missed, explain please.

Well austin mentions boone once in a question to another player because that player talked about her. How is talking about boone the only substantial thing austin says then and why should he have/post a read on her especially? Don't get me wrong I won't claim that austin contributed much but that statement from oats is just wrong.

Like this post. I have no idea what or why JAT defended austin when he has no idea whether austin is town.
Weird defense = scummy defense.

and his first post after being back feels really contributing for the sake of contributing.
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 21:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 04 2014 17:55 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2014 17:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey Palmar, which RNG supporting dude is scum?


I don't know yet.

Scum is going to win this game super easily anyway, everyone is so invested in trolling that I don't think it really matters what we do.

It would be splendid if you and a few other traditionally useless people tried your best to contribute this game. I literally have exactly one weak read this game. That's it. I think Robik's point is valid and means he's at least reading the thread quite intently.

There's also the thing where we need a few people to just write a fuckton more, so people get bored.

Well, considering you started the trolling this is a little hypocritical, isn't it? Anyways you are right people like grack/killing should start playing seriously now. Like you do now.
On March 04 2014 18:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
palmar, do you know if Austin being against policy lynching and trolling is normal?

Policy lynching and random lynching are not the same. Random lynching is a good discussion starter but a terrible play itself while policy lynching has it's merits.
On March 04 2014 18:53 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2014 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's basically why i asked about it (the VE thing, i got that). But another thing is who do you think are the people not quality posters?


I don't really see where you're going with this, but I'm sure you have a reason for asking so I'll give you an answer. Also I'd like to clarify that this quality posting thing is basically a list of people who tend to, or I know can, post very transparently on day 1, thus making them easy town reads if they are town.

Me/you/ve, possibly grack/austin.

This is the list of people I know are able to post coherently enough on day 1 to assume a leadership position and look town. That leaves a fuckton.

Now there's a lot of people I haven't played with before here (ggtemplar, boone, killing, robik) and then there's a few resident trolls (dandel, oats, slam). I just can't remember anything about justanothertownie, I'm sure I've played with him but he doesn't stick out.

If all the new people post very well (see suki/balla, I was impressed) this won't be a problem. Also slam and oats have actually been useful this game, so that might also solve what I thought might be a problem.

So my assumption is that I'm only gonna get very few people who don't troll/lurk on day 1 and post the quality/quantity required for me to make a town read on them early.

I think the only game we played together was Hogwarts. We lynched you day1 (so it is not surprising that you don't remember that much) I took over your vigilante role and shot scum.

Literally nothing about who is town or scum at all even though there has been like 8-9 pages by then.

I did not defend austin (I have no idea about him). I attacked rayns reasoning for his scumread on austin because it was bad and very unraynlike. Those are 2 different things.
On March 05 2014 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
so much noob claiming by the DM players.

This is true and annoying.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 04 2014 16:56 GMT
#346
Man its the same thing. Whats your read on Austin JAT?
No gg, No skill.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 04 2014 16:57 GMT
#347
I don't like what Rayn has been saying so far. His whole Austin post was nonsense - Austin asked a question, he somehow flipped it into Austin being scum for defending boone. Austin didn't defend Boone and I wouldn't find it scummy even if he did defend Boone.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
March 04 2014 16:58 GMT
#348
On March 05 2014 01:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man its the same thing. Whats your read on Austin JAT?

He hasn't done enough for me to read him.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 04 2014 16:59 GMT
#349
On March 05 2014 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 01:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man its the same thing. Whats your read on Austin JAT?

He hasn't done enough for me to read him.

Who has done enough for you to read?
No gg, No skill.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
March 04 2014 17:01 GMT
#350
On March 05 2014 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 05 2014 01:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man its the same thing. Whats your read on Austin JAT?

He hasn't done enough for me to read him.

Who has done enough for you to read?

For a really good read? Noone.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 04 2014 17:02 GMT
#351
Its like already more than 12 hours into day 1 and you dont have ANY READS AT ALL JAT?
No gg, No skill.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
March 04 2014 17:04 GMT
#352
On March 05 2014 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its like already more than 12 hours into day 1 and you dont have ANY READS AT ALL JAT?

If you had read what I posted thus far you would know that this is not true.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 04 2014 17:04 GMT
#353
On March 05 2014 01:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 01:50 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2014 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Oats and Rayn are both buddying you so hard.


Btw at what point do you intend to do anything useful btw.

I mean you've thrown out a town-read on slam, which at the time was justified I think, and you seem to think I'm town (your wording that the two players mentioned are buddying me seems to imply that I must be town).

Do you think it's likely rayn is scum? If so, why?

I wasn't implying that you have to be town. It's just you have people who you like which coincidentally appear to be the people who like you.



Well the upside is that I know those people have made one correct read.
Computer says mafia
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
March 04 2014 17:05 GMT
#354
On March 05 2014 02:04 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 01:55 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 05 2014 01:50 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2014 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Oats and Rayn are both buddying you so hard.


Btw at what point do you intend to do anything useful btw.

I mean you've thrown out a town-read on slam, which at the time was justified I think, and you seem to think I'm town (your wording that the two players mentioned are buddying me seems to imply that I must be town).

Do you think it's likely rayn is scum? If so, why?

I wasn't implying that you have to be town. It's just you have people who you like which coincidentally appear to be the people who like you.



Well the upside is that I know those people have made one correct read.

Which makes them town how exactly?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 04 2014 17:09 GMT
#355
this is your only reads post JAT
On March 04 2014 22:33 justanothertownie wrote:
I will do so when I have them. For now I don't like rayns read on austin if that oats post really is all he has against him. Seems to me like rayn didn't even check if what oats said is true.
Apart from that I would like to hear an answer to the question I asked boone. She might be scummy. I don't have more than that yet.

Can you elaborate or say anything thats changed or been added to your super sparse reads?
No gg, No skill.
boonetown
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada169 Posts
March 04 2014 17:11 GMT
#356
Top 2 people I would not kill today

Palmar - created the whole random lynch, then drew actual reads from the conversation it started. The only world in which he would be scum is where him and robik are scum together (calling him town and pushing on an easy lynch target, myself) which seems unlikely.

Alakaslam - His willingness to share his thought process and adapt based on others thoughts is super fucking towny. He is mixing having fun trying to troll with actively trying to find mafia. This conversation in particular is towny because instead of bandwagoning an idea posted by a probably, likely, maybe, town robik, he makes sure to give the reasons why he agrees.

GGtemp - (I am directing this directly to Templar himself) I am having a hard time finding a world in which you are town here. Maybe it's because this is a different medium than we are used to playing mafia together on, but you seem very off, withdrawn, trolly and the way you are voting boggles my mind. I have a much easier time in games when I can read you town and trust you, because in late game you're awesome. The way you are throwing around reads with no explaination, and jumping on the boonetown bandwagon causes me to believe you are not town. You know better than to vote so fast on something so small.

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2014 14:53 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 13:42 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 04 2014 13:33 austinmcc wrote:
On March 04 2014 12:54 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 04 2014 12:45 austinmcc wrote:
On March 04 2014 12:02 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 04 2014 11:28 boonetown wrote:
Hey guys! sorry I got here late, I see we've decided to let RNGsus pick our lynch. I want/ed to play with VE, so I'm going to just wait before jumping on the bandwagon if that's alright with you guys.

Do I just read every DM person scummy? Each one is reading the opposite of their town game. This is so weird. I'm usually the one who clears everyone ever and this game I just find everyone scummy. This is not a good sign.
Can you be specific with 1-2 of your reads?


Boone's entrance was scummy because of the way she said that she respected RNGesus but wasn't willing to vote VE yet cause she wanted to play more with him and Joey was scummy cause he trolls when he's mafia.

In general, I come in and clear a bunch of people for being super town off of small things, but this game all I see are really fucking scummy players.
kk, that's more clear. Do you weigh boone not wanting to vote VE, in and of itself, as pointing towards her alignment? (her, yes?). Even if it's outweighed by the contradiction with liking RNG, does the no vote itself do anything for you?

Also. Are you robik?

It's the subtle contradiction of her post. She should either commit to one or the other. She's making excuses already. Boone is an incredible player when she's town...There are two people I know of that she would hold back on and they're not playing this game, so this random "I want to play with VE so I'm not gonna vote on him even though I believe in whats-his-faces RNG" seems incongruent to me

Ok this is a better point.

Oh yeah and see vote thread if anyone is here.




The town reads on Robik make me pause.
Robik has come into this game basically knowing only myself, ggtemp and killing. All 3 of us are relatively new to forum mafia and he seems to quick to jump on each one of us. His reasoning for doing so isn't necessarily wrong and he's likely town as stated before, but I would not put him in my town circle right now. These seem to be the "easy" lynches that he is pushing.


One of the more pressing issues in my mind is that I am in a mason group with rayn and austin. not much has been said there but i fear that if there is a mafia in there, the game having this information is much more important if mafia also have this information. im outting our mason group because i think there is a better chance that mafia manipulates me in this mason group if i don't bring it to this thread, and i feel there is a higher chance that this mason group will negatively impact town, so I will probably not be using it as much as I had originally thought I would.

That being said, I think Austin is the mafia in the group. He's talked about keeping the group secret for now, while Rayn has openly asked if we should out it. I also feel like so little has actually been said in the group that Austin band-wagoning on me in this thread just further supports my read on him.

I would also like to point out, that my opening post (and obviously we all see this differently) was my way of letting you all know that I wasn't a sheep, I wasn't about to just vote someone based on RNG, that I'd like to actually play this game with the people that are in it (including V.E). I feel like I'm going to be the easy lynch at this point because a) no one knows my play style and b) I'm unfamailiar with how to post, length, content and what not to say. If taking a stance on RNG is scummy, then I don't know how to prove I'm town to you.

In my opinion a random lynch so early on in a game can't be beneficial for town. I know that you guys like to lynch people, and I'm all for it... but let's lynch the right people.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
March 04 2014 17:17 GMT
#357
On March 05 2014 02:11 boonetown wrote:
Top 2 people I would not kill today

Palmar - created the whole random lynch, then drew actual reads from the conversation it started. The only world in which he would be scum is where him and robik are scum together (calling him town and pushing on an easy lynch target, myself) which seems unlikely.

Alakaslam - His willingness to share his thought process and adapt based on others thoughts is super fucking towny. He is mixing having fun trying to troll with actively trying to find mafia. This conversation in particular is towny because instead of bandwagoning an idea posted by a probably, likely, maybe, town robik, he makes sure to give the reasons why he agrees.

GGtemp - (I am directing this directly to Templar himself) I am having a hard time finding a world in which you are town here. Maybe it's because this is a different medium than we are used to playing mafia together on, but you seem very off, withdrawn, trolly and the way you are voting boggles my mind. I have a much easier time in games when I can read you town and trust you, because in late game you're awesome. The way you are throwing around reads with no explaination, and jumping on the boonetown bandwagon causes me to believe you are not town. You know better than to vote so fast on something so small.

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2014 14:53 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 13:42 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 04 2014 13:33 austinmcc wrote:
On March 04 2014 12:54 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 04 2014 12:45 austinmcc wrote:
On March 04 2014 12:02 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 04 2014 11:28 boonetown wrote:
Hey guys! sorry I got here late, I see we've decided to let RNGsus pick our lynch. I want/ed to play with VE, so I'm going to just wait before jumping on the bandwagon if that's alright with you guys.

Do I just read every DM person scummy? Each one is reading the opposite of their town game. This is so weird. I'm usually the one who clears everyone ever and this game I just find everyone scummy. This is not a good sign.
Can you be specific with 1-2 of your reads?


Boone's entrance was scummy because of the way she said that she respected RNGesus but wasn't willing to vote VE yet cause she wanted to play more with him and Joey was scummy cause he trolls when he's mafia.

In general, I come in and clear a bunch of people for being super town off of small things, but this game all I see are really fucking scummy players.
kk, that's more clear. Do you weigh boone not wanting to vote VE, in and of itself, as pointing towards her alignment? (her, yes?). Even if it's outweighed by the contradiction with liking RNG, does the no vote itself do anything for you?

Also. Are you robik?

It's the subtle contradiction of her post. She should either commit to one or the other. She's making excuses already. Boone is an incredible player when she's town...There are two people I know of that she would hold back on and they're not playing this game, so this random "I want to play with VE so I'm not gonna vote on him even though I believe in whats-his-faces RNG" seems incongruent to me

Ok this is a better point.

Oh yeah and see vote thread if anyone is here.




The town reads on Robik make me pause.
Robik has come into this game basically knowing only myself, ggtemp and killing. All 3 of us are relatively new to forum mafia and he seems to quick to jump on each one of us. His reasoning for doing so isn't necessarily wrong and he's likely town as stated before, but I would not put him in my town circle right now. These seem to be the "easy" lynches that he is pushing.


One of the more pressing issues in my mind is that I am in a mason group with rayn and austin. not much has been said there but i fear that if there is a mafia in there, the game having this information is much more important if mafia also have this information. im outting our mason group because i think there is a better chance that mafia manipulates me in this mason group if i don't bring it to this thread, and i feel there is a higher chance that this mason group will negatively impact town, so I will probably not be using it as much as I had originally thought I would.

That being said, I think Austin is the mafia in the group. He's talked about keeping the group secret for now, while Rayn has openly asked if we should out it. I also feel like so little has actually been said in the group that Austin band-wagoning on me in this thread just further supports my read on him.

I would also like to point out, that my opening post (and obviously we all see this differently) was my way of letting you all know that I wasn't a sheep, I wasn't about to just vote someone based on RNG, that I'd like to actually play this game with the people that are in it (including V.E). I feel like I'm going to be the easy lynch at this point because a) no one knows my play style and b) I'm unfamailiar with how to post, length, content and what not to say. If taking a stance on RNG is scummy, then I don't know how to prove I'm town to you.

In my opinion a random lynch so early on in a game can't be beneficial for town. I know that you guys like to lynch people, and I'm all for it... but let's lynch the right people.

When did you form your read on alakaslam? When you reread or before/when you were talking to him?
Also stop playing yourself down it is superscummy and unnecessary.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 04 2014 17:19 GMT
#358
Why do you care if people see you as a sheep? Why are you concerned about looking like a sheep if you're not even planning on sheeping anyway?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
boonetown
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada169 Posts
March 04 2014 17:24 GMT
#359
I accidentally put the GGtemplar read before the Alakaslam quote, i should take a 101 forum formatting class, FML.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 04 2014 17:26 GMT
#360
##Unvote
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR


Because there isn't support for the RNG.

I was torn between voting for GGTemp and voting for boone here, but boone stroked the ego in saying that she wanted to play with me, so GGTemp gets the vote. GGTemplar has been more useless than me this game, and I haven't even been here playing it. Not that GGTemp has been here, but he's at the very least pretended to have opinions on people. So far those opinions have consisted of a scumread on Alak (which his posts show no indication of releasing, barring an unvote) and a townread on his DM peeps (which his posts give no explanation for). He also did something really scummy in the foundation chat (of which I am a part) in coming in and saying "I know both of you are scum, don't even talk to me" as his very first act. My first reaction to being chosen as one of the foundation thingys was "Hmm I guess I better go check the OP to see if it's possible scum are in here....looks like it's possible, better be careful" and I'm town. My first reaction was NOT that I was certain scum were allowed to be in the Foundation chat. The only people who should feel that way as their first reaction should be scum - because they know scum are allowed in the chat.

Answer for Joey: I've been inactive because I was playing Video Mafia yesterday. Lurking isn't even accurate because until this morning, I hadn't even really read the thread.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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