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I guess. Prome wants me to play because Ange is playing. | ||
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Also stop calling me suko it's annoying | ||
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I had to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird but anyways I'm Harry Potter. My power is I can shoot ##spells at people and make them do things. If we lynch correctly I learn new spells. Right now my spell list is: ##Expeliarmus - Makes target sheeping player provide reasoning on their vote otherwise they have to unvote. | ||
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On February 26 2014 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am claiming geript cop, he is Serial Killer. BOOM! Rayn wtf stop stealing my thunder | ||
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Listen Wossy, it's my role I can spell it however I want. And that's "Expelliarmus" . Don't tell me it's wrong. | ||
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GO AWAY SHEEP | ||
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On February 26 2014 09:10 Toadesstern wrote: suki how's life? Still mafia/jester like the last 3 games? I heard you've got a habbit of rolling mafia I just claimed Harry Potter if you weren't reading so life is pretty swag. And IRC mafia doesn't count. So what's the plan this game Toad? Gonna slip up early in Day 1 and give us an easy scum lynch like our last game together? | ||
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On February 26 2014 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Harry Potter is mafia btw. Care to explain? | ||
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On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either So are you saying I'm scummy? | ||
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On February 26 2014 09:42 Mocsta wrote: That's the most important thing to respond from my observation? For me, yes. Like.. if this becomes a trend I might just replace out because I'm really getting annoyed at it. Not to put a damper on the mood or anything. | ||
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So then why isn't your vote on me? | ||
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On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote: This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy. Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? lol what. ##vote Mocsta I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy. Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote: Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that. If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? Actually mostly I'm just having fun. | ||
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Also I don't think any of this is hurting the thread and I'm quite happy we skipped any inane policy talk bs and are now into the real game. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Suki, does this also count as Mocsta being self-conscious? It did stand out to me. On February 26 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote: [/B]Don't make me log onto a comp wave I was hoping we. Would both be town... Sigh Now before i go off the rails. Is the above truth or sarcasm? Mocsta, care to elaborate on your read of Wave? | ||
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In the meantime: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1qmRs4h.png) | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote: Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that. If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? but it was gumshoe. I don't really care who you talk about but some reads would be nice. | ||
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Hmm Toad just replied with reasoning let me see. Does anyone really think either mafia-Rayn or mafia-Toad would pass up on this chance to call the other one a retard? I don't think so. This is pretty much toad's reasoning on why rayn is town, pretty much a meta read. Which means nothing to me so I'll just wait for them to contribute more before coming to any conclusions. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote: This is actually not a meta-read at all. This is going to be a complicated sentence: Personally I just assumed that Toad saw Rayn directly assuming Toad was asking about millers because he himself was one and saw that as something a towny would assume. I didn't really find that particularly alignment indicative. I didn't understand the sentence but the bolded part is wrong cuz millers aren't self aware | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:50 suki wrote: I didn't understand the sentence but the bolded part is wrong cuz millers aren't self aware I do agree though, this whole toad-rayn thing is not alignment indicative to me either. | ||
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Mocsta can you summarize your thoughts on Rayn? You find Rayn's approach to Toad odd and you said a bunch of words about how Rayn plays but I don't see any conclusion. | ||
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I'll reread the thread in the morning and post more in depth reads then. | ||
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Reads are coming, it's gonna take me a while. If there's anything you guys want answered while I'm here let me know. | ||
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On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote: This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy. Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? This was the focus of my initial case against Mocsta. He somehow felt that my question, 'Why isn't your vote on me' indicated that I thought he was scummy, and furthermore called me scummy for it. I found this very scummy because it indicated a mafia mindset: 1. motive to turn non-scummy things to look scummy 2. very defensive On February 26 2014 10:05 Mocsta wrote: Rayn Do u thibk its plausible for a town wave to infer I am a scum read already? This as well, seemed overly defensive. On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote: Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? This strikes me as odd. He seems to be throwing suspicion on Rayn but not taking a stance. On February 26 2014 11:32 suki wrote: Mocsta jelly. Mocsta can you summarize your thoughts on Rayn? You find Rayn's approach to Toad odd and you said a bunch of words about how Rayn plays but I don't see any conclusion. He doesn't elaborate on his thoughts on rayn until his list post where he puts me as second and rayn as #1 scum. This was a wtf moment for me. Let me post the list: On February 26 2014 16:34 Mocsta wrote: Caught up and re-read Current reads: Wave Suki Gumshoe Calvalinho toadesstern ange777 jarjardrinks vivax geript Holyflare thechyz rayn Will expound in a bit. swamped @ work. Why is Gumshoe #3 town? Mocsta, just four hours previous, had voted gumshoe for his 'marketing crap'. And actually let me talk about that. On February 26 2014 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote: So do you find it likely that right out of the gate, scum gumshoe drops a townread on his scumbuddy Mocsta? JJD and Wave start going over gumshoe and finding things odd. On February 26 2014 11:37 Mocsta wrote: hmm I didnt get WoS point about and/or But rereading this from JJD post, I noticed something stick out to me. The stuff in red/blue is the biggest load of marketing crap I have read in this game so far. Mocsta notices 'marketing crap', but doesn't say that it's alignment indicative. On February 26 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily come from scum, you know that. I do want to hear Mocsta's response though. ##Vote: gumshoe Wave votes gumshoe. On February 26 2014 11:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: No. I'd say that a scum gumshoe likely means moc is town. JJD adds his thoughts on scum gumshoe and says they are unlikely scum team. On February 26 2014 11:54 Mocsta wrote: ##Vote: Gumshoe That last post reminded me a lot of how he talked to Bum in GSL IV as if hes doing us a favour by gracing us with his presence. Mocsta votes gumshoe. This feels really really opportunistic. Mocsta only voted gumshoe after a few people had already posted their suspicions. Notice that he's done the same thing here as he did with rayn. He posted something 'odd' ('crap marketing' for gumshoe, rayn's 'red herring') but doesn't say it was alignment indicative. No one started saying Rayn was scummy, Mocsta didn't elaborate on his read even though I asked him. Wave and JJD start saying gumshoe is scummy. Mocsta votes gumshoe with his marketing crap reasoning. And then four hours later gumshoe is his top 3 town. He has since made a case on TheChyz. He starts defending me as town which rayn already pressured him on. On February 26 2014 22:06 Mocsta wrote: Look with suki, there sa massive change in style between shadow and shadow reboot. Just overall light heartedness. From glancing over the town n scum games; personally i still think she is town; HOWEVER, I also have noticed that after the first 24hrs or so she tends to produce analytical posts. I suggest this will be the best way to get an accurate read on her. Unfortunately its highly possible she will bandwagon Chz (which is relatively legitimate as either alginment) so I am not actually sure how much weight to give that. Let me get this straight. Mocsta thinks I am town. Mocsta thinks TheChyz is scum. He then comments that it is possible I will bandwagon TheChyz, then 'it's pretty un-alignment indicative', then 'I'm not sure how much weight I will put on that'. Which makes no sense if he thinks I'm town because of course I'm going to go on the most scummy looking person, which Mocsta is currently pushing as TheChyz (I think?). Why all those words about me bandwagoning on TheChyz? It sounds like it has a point but it really doesn't. ------- SUMMARY So anyways I think Mocsta's reads make no sense. His evolution of reads on people feels fake and opportunistic. I have no idea what's going on with that list of his. Like, what's the point of posting it? If it's to clarify things to the thread then he's really done the opposite because so many more questions have popped up after. Why is rayn bottom of the scum list? That implies that rayn is most scummy, but why hasn't he pressured rayn at all or made any case on him or anything? Why am I suddenly totes town after being so aggressive at me early game, coming up with a big case that I'm 'neutral' and now you're defending my towniness when people pressure you? Why is gumshoe top 3 townie when you had voted him just four hours prior to your big list? Scummy things: - His opening play: Twisting things to look scummy, self-conscious - Opportunistic voting of gumshoe, 'red herring' case on rayn that ended up going nowhere - not pushing rayn even though he thinks rayn is scummy - Evolution of reads that feels fake Even without the list, I think the same points would stand. The list just makes things all the more obvious. Mocsta is scummy to me. My vote is on him and will stay on him for now. I'll continue looking into other people. | ||
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TheChyz comes in with a town read on Mocsta out of the blue saying 'it's the way you're playing'. He dodges my request for him to share his reads by saying 'I have some hunches', without elaborating. He starts pressuring Mocsta. Makes a bad case on JJD that he quickly gets off of. Says this: On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote: You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't. Then votes geript with a pretty awful case. On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. ##Vote geript This case is really bad. Not only does he not explain how geript is scummy for any of his 'points', it seems like a big part of his case is 'I dont understand whats going on'. His entire case is based on geript's comment that rayn and toad cannot be scum together... Like, that's just weak. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. This conclusion just feels out of place. Like he's trying to explain why he didn't think geript was scummy before but now he does. "Making a story", as it were. TheChyz also seems to be pressuring Mocsta, but I have no idea what TheChyz's opinion of Mocsta is. At the beginning of the game he read Mocsta as town, now he seems to be neutral? Also suki just rubbing me the wrong way with here weird defensiveness and interactions with mocsta. Not sure what but something from reading her filter just doesn't seem right. This is also really flaky. He's saying I look scummy but isn't trying to figure out what looks scummy. He thinks mocsta is suspicious but isn't making a decision. He made a weak case on geript off of one of geript's posts but doesn't seem to be commenting on other things that geript has done. Other people's cases on TheChyz In general I agree with other people's cases on TheChyz. I like JJD's case: On February 26 2014 22:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: Suki reads very town to me. Chyz does actually read very scummy to me after a reread. Few things I don't like: - Like gumshoe, he called you town early when I don't think you were acting townish @ all. - He sheeped geripts case on me and while I think geript legit misread my post, it kinda felt like chyz was being opportunistic - I agree w/ the notion that someone acting scummy does not automatically make that person a scumread. But the way he worded it doesn't sit right. Like "I'm leaning scum" or even "He's null for me" would be a better qualifier for that sentence. I don't think Mocsta's case is that good. Here, TheChyz casually queries Suki indicating that he does not share my read. The question posed will not provide any alignment indicative response either. I don't think TheChyz's question on me indicated that he didn't share Mocsta's read (that I was suspicious). I don't agree with: The important thing to note is that previously TheChyz stated he would only comment if something is wroth commenting on. So why... is he so fixated on someone calling "Rayn/Toad" town. He seems to refuse to accept they can both be town; yet, hasnt given a direct indication of his read on either player. Very scummy. TheChyz hasn't indicated what he thinks of Rayn or Toad's alignment which is weird but not scummy. His case on geript was independent of his read on rayn/toad. This is a guy that is intentionally trying to dodge giving out any insight AND THAT is scummy. I can understand the point that it is trying to dodge giving insight while commenting on gumshoe. I can see it as a townie 'haha i found it funny'. I can see it as a scummy 'lets talk about things but not really'. I see that Mocsta has pinned it as scummy behaviour. In summary: Overall, TheChyz arguments have been weak and offer no insight into his thought process. He is calling out people prematurely (e.g. Holyflare + Rayn/Toad) yet doesnt indicatve whether he reads those players town or scum. He also prematurely calls me town when not under fire for my scumhunting, yet doesnt seem to support my reads. Lastly, he goes out of his way to dodge questions (e.g. to Suki). I find it funny that Mocsta's summary points 1 and 2 can be used to describe his play this game. I don't see how, on its own, Mocsta's points establish that TheChyz's play has been scum motivated. Other people have posted cases but I'm out of time this morning - - - SUMMARY I think the word to describe TheChyz's play is "weak". There are plenty of contradictions in his words and actions. He seems to have no inclination to scum hunt, but every inclination to throw suspicion on people. I'm leaning towards scummy on him. Scummy things: 1. random defense of mocsta out of nowhere 2. not being transparent with reads, not straight up saying 'this person is scummy' (except geript but that case sucks) 3. not pushing his scum reads. 4. Seemingly not interested in finding scum. I know rayn and some other people brought up cases against TheChyz, and when I read through them in my catch-up I generally agreed with them. There are some points that were brought up that are not in this case that do make TheChyz look scummy. Mocsta being so adamant on TheChyz makes me doubt that both of them are scum together. TheChyz recently has spent effort talking with Mocsta, which, given his weak play, I find unlikely to happen if they were scumbuddies. Also no reason for a hard bus at this point. mmm... I'll have to think about this one. There's still half a day left so plenty of time for both players to contribute. | ||
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I'll be back tonight and spend another few hours in thread. | ||
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Mocsta's defense is that he's a feels player and that people call him out for being inconsistent. I'm not sure how I feel on that. As town, you have reasons for your moves. You had a reason for voting gumshoe and a reason for putting him as townie after. I don't understand how Rayn is on your list of scum and your only reason is 'it's a feel' and you're not trying to point out scummy things about him just because 'he's not a priority'. I want to hear why you think Rayn is scummy. Also why HolyFlare is scummy. Not sure if you elaborated previously but if you can summarize HF that would be good. Again, when I have more time I'll take a closer look. | ||
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On February 27 2014 01:17 Mocsta wrote: Suki, reading your case and then the comments on mine is pretty funny. Theres a reason with Chz you are so unsure of his position.. its because he is intentionally not releasing the information, so *YOU* have to fill the gaps. This is classic scum play. My case highlights this - so i thought. And again, you seem to be completely misinterpreting what I write but meh, you gotta live with these things sometimes. If you want an example of the impact ambiguity can play. Check out Mordanis in GSL Mafia IV. Everyone filled in the gaps for him, and just assumed he didnt know better. Seriously Suki, you played recently with Chz where he was town and you were scum. Do you think there are similarities in play? Agreed with the first point. I want to do a meta analysis but that will have to wait until tonight. TheChyz game was a while ago so I'd have to refresh. Definitely one of the things I'm going to do though. | ||
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I think mocsta is town after mulling over it for the day and reading his post just now . He was really active and also his explanation about how he is town and I'm reading him wrong just felt ttown . Not sure who I pick for scum.really gotta read wheni get home.. Not being able to play is killing me lol. ##unvote mocsta | ||
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Usually town has some direction day one.this game there is none | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: And not only that suki, but instead of providing a direction you only come here to shit on the town for no reason. What does that achieve? Just wanna play I miss mafia. Sorry | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:08 Vivax wrote: Suki can you tell me if the points you previously made against mocsta still stand? And how you weigh them in compared to the new information you used in your decision to unvote him. My biggest beef with mocsta was him flip flopping and his evolution of reads not making sense. His response that that was just how he played, also his way of not providing reads on rayn and Holy ( I think) felt townie to me. I didn't like how he misconstrued me to be scummy early but at least he was scum hunting.in the end we both gota better read of each other andi think that's a good result. . | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:15 Vivax wrote: I've got to admit your change of read doesn't entirely persuade me. The part on Rayn is what you earlier called scummy methinks. Ya but If he's scum and I just madea big case on him calling him scum for not makinga case on rayn you think he would try to look good and make upa reason but instead he sticks to his guns. That seems more townie to me | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:27 Vivax wrote: Suki, earlier you said that that point exactly was scummy. Hmmm.. Yeah but ifi remember right there were two timesi asked mocsta to elaborate.the first time I asked him and he ignored or didn't see it. Abs that'swhat thatquote is referringto. then I posted my big case on him and called him out for not taking about rayn and he said straight up he wasn't going to. Different situations. | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:11 gumshoe wrote: Suki, what do you think of Jar Jar? Why did you feel that the Chyz's poor play was scummy, even though it was similar to his newbie town play youd encountered in newbie LI? A game in which you exploited his shoddy play in order to get him mislynched. My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up. My Chyz case was made looking at just this game. I finished it in a rush as I was on a time crunch. You and Holy are calling me out for coming to the conclusion that TheChyz's play is "weak", well it is. I thought it was scummy. I'm going to refresh my memory of the game with him because I really don't remember his play. | ||
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TheChyz Part 2 TheChyz's play this game I described earlier as weak. He hasn't commented on people, hasn't really applied pressure. His top case is geript which he's been pushing all game. He seems unusually hmm.. responsive, to people's accusations of his play: On February 26 2014 15:19 TheChyz wrote: Ye, I played reckless. So I'm not allowed to play differently and have my philosophies change? Don't know what your leading to. All your doing is pointing out a playstyle that you probably don't agree with. Doesn't mean you have to like it. And im pretty sure both you and I would actually rather try to look for actual scum then keep talking about this thread clogging argument. Yes? On February 27 2014 07:59 TheChyz wrote: I was getting shit for playing the way I wanted to play and people wouldn't stop circlejerking around the fact that I don't play like they expect. So instead of trying to argue about philosophies in which is such a tangential topic I decided that I would have to learn to play the TL way and give them what they expect of me and that is to make a case. And also I had my thoughts on geript as most scummy for quiet some time in the game so thats why I talked about him. This is interesting because looking at his play from Newbie LI, it shows that as town he was aggressive, posted cases on people, wasn't afraid to call people scummy and pressure them: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2014 12:08 TheChyz wrote: Ok I think my little posts before I had to go afk helped generate enough argument to start conversations going. I actually total love the idea of trying to catch bandwagoners early and since Balla posted something similar to the train of thought I usually have I thought someone would catch the link. If you did, congrats. I don't really like Day_Walkers entrance since basically he just gives us a list and then says that he leaves. From my personal experience I tend to give lists a lot when I am mafia and post very little. There is no reason to provide a list unless you have to (getting lynched, etc) imo. He is also the only one that seems to kinda still ride the end of the "vote chyz" bandwagon and then labels everybody else as town. Seems like a very safe move. If you think I'm scum why not put your vote where your mouth is? Don't like him very much at the moment and would like to hear more from him apart from the "agreeing with ..." slogan that you seem to use so very much. ##Vote: Day_Walker On January 06 2014 12:52 TheChyz wrote: I have nothing to say to the question since I didn't actually mean what I had previously said (right near the start of game). Overall tho I liked his post response since it seems to have original thought put into it aswell as a vote. That reads more town to me and at the moment he and you (Balla) have been the most active so I have nothing to say negative about him atm since there are much better people to focus on atm. On January 06 2014 15:56 TheChyz wrote: So Dragoon, it seems like you don't think Asuna should be a possible lynch target. Why is that so? On January 07 2014 01:01 TheChyz wrote: I would like to bring up a player that has kinda hidden back into the shadows and that is dnyarri. When he first posts, I find it ironic since he says that it is easy for lurkers to bandwagon in which he proceeds to bandwagon anyways. He also seems to bring no argument to the table but mostly facts and his argument is circular logic stuff. It goes more or less like this, "since DayWalker made the list in which he says theChyz is scum then theChyz is scum, but because of theChyz's points then DayWalker is also scummy". To me it seems like he just read my filter and saw my vote for DayWalker and also checked his out. This is a good move because if I came up as mafia then he would be safe, but if not then he has a strong fallback on another player. I may be overanalyzing the first post, but that is not even the most important. The moment he gets challenged he switches immediately from me to Dragoon, which he didn't even mention at all! There was nothing to imply this. AND, later on in his posts the only people he mentions are myself, Dragoon, and DayWalker. So he also just read Dragoon's post and just mashed it in together in his second paragraph which just seems like more facts and analysis taken from other people. Out of all of the points, the strongest still stands as when he gets challenged about me, he flops and goes on a new target all together. ##Unvote ##Vote: dnyarri Here's what I see. TheChyz rolled scum, played a really underwhelming early game and got shit for it. He then tried to look better by posting cases, and said he was just trying to play the way people expected him to play. His play this game does not resemble his town game from LI, and I feel that there is plenty of reason for this if he's scum. When he was town, he pressured people, wasn't afraid to give reads and speak up. This game he just sorts of coasts in the background, trying to appease people by 'changing his style' but not really pushing or pressuring anyone. TheChyz conveniently comes up with something he finds "strange" on Mocsta (without calling it scummy), when Mocsta gets under heat from Rayn. On February 26 2014 17:44 TheChyz wrote: Also on Mocsta which I didn't mention before because I thought it was not too important but all of the first posts with suki it seems like a tone of just telling her things and coaching her through the game. Just some strange interaction early on that now that mocstas read on suki changed from having some suspicion to the 2nd best town read (as rayn mentioned already) Like, what's the point of this observation? Mocsta is 'coaching' me (which I don't know how he got that since Mocsta was clearly attacking me). It seems to be putting suspicion on Mocsta without outright saying it. He then asks a few questions to Mocsta but doesn't ever come to any conclusion on him until he's asked by Vivax. On February 27 2014 08:29 TheChyz wrote: I still don't understand vivax why you wouldn't take a look at me after quiet a bit of the voting has gone my way. Do you somehow know I'm town? My filter is short enough so it surely is not the effort required. This post also struck me as Chyz wondering why Vivax isn't suspicious of him, as if he knows he's scummy. I originally had this as a scummy point against Chyz but looking at Chyz's filter from newbie LI he seemed to question people on why they had a town read on him in his town game. So I think this comes out as a null point. Summary: I think TheChyz's play has changed in a scummy way compared to his town game. His tunnel on geript is bad and uncharacteristic of him. His case on geript is bad but he seems to have no problem pushing it and only it. He made a half-case on Mocsta but fails to say why Mocsta's actions make him scummy, but Mocsta is the only other person he's really talked about. He kind of commented on Vivax but again didn't come to any conclusion. All of this I feel is more likely to come from a scum Chyz. ##vote TheChyz | ||
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I have a strong townread on Wave and I'd be willing to sheep him on Vivax. On February 27 2014 04:37 Vivax wrote: I'd rather find it odd/scummy if I had mentioned the vote-leader and not anyone else. Leave no stone unturned. I don't think he's scum at the moment. I'd rather not expand on the reasons cause: 1. I could be wrong and I'd be taking away pressure from him. 2. I prefer to focus on the people I find suspicious. I think this was already pointed out but this post is weird as hell. He's trying to give a townie explanation why he should withhold information. On February 27 2014 04:56 Vivax wrote: People in glasshouses and stones, that's all I have to say to this post. It's no surprise you're one of my scumspects (now officially) when you now accuse me of something you're guilty of yourself. How is Chyz a person of interest to you if you never seem to mention him in your own posts yourself? Vivax's counter-attack on Wave seems really forced. Like 'you called me scummy for this? No you're scummy for this!' On February 27 2014 05:39 Vivax wrote: Can you explain to me how you can find me suspicious for not-scumreading a guy you didn't even look into yet? You want to hear reasons for him being something when you don't even know what he wrote? What would you do with these reasons when you didn't even reach any own conclusions you could compare the information with? But you're suspicious cause I give reasons for not talking about my read on him when you give out reads for "feels"? ##Vote WaveOfShadow Vivax misses the point of Wave's pressure entirely and basically OMGUSes him. So in short I would be fine with Vivax lynch as well today. | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:32 Holyflare wrote: right.... so then she said it was a legitimate call out only to then say my case was bad despite agreeing that her case was bad in the first place ~__~ You're nitpicking. | ||
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Please, share some of your other reads. Do you still find Mocsta suspicious? Who else is on your lynch list? | ||
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Alright let me pull up the things that gave me a town vibe: On February 26 2014 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]" Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. Then this:I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this: Bolded part shows critical thinking. I actually thought it was a really clever question. On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. This as well. Like, he's looking at the interactions and reading between the lines, trying to figure out the game. On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it. The suki case was bad. Posts like these are confident. He doesn't overexplain his reads. Yeah he just feels to me like he's trying to understand the game. He's being transparent and open with his thoughts, even if he doesn't have high quantity. | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:48 Cavalinho wrote: I've already voted TheChyz once, but I unvoted because my townread on rayn is pretty strong and I'd be willing to follow him. My current scumread is TheChyz, but geript is being weird as fuck and I can't really read him. What? By your logic you should be voting me then because rayn is voting me. Also is that geript is being weird as fuck I think he's scummy but I can't read him, or geript is being weird as fuck I have no conclusion on him? | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:55 geript wrote: That's a really bad town read And so? What's your point? | ||
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I want to know why you think he's scummy. | ||
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Also how I look 'super scummy' for my read on JJD. I'm really not liking this 'holier than thou' attitude you have going on. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:56 Vivax wrote: This is from one of the best players on this forum: Others scumgames you might want to look up are LVIII, where town self-destroyed itself and Yet another normal mini mafia. And with that, I'm done defending myself. If you're town and voting for me consider yourself a nublet. The problem with this post is that your meta isn't consistent like that. Dr. Who Mafia you're mafia and you don't spam one liners. Same with Roulette Mini Mafia . | ||
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I don't know so much about Vivax anymore. I looked through a bunch of his games and tried to find differences between his scum and town games. In his town games Titanic Mini, TL Mafia LXI, Basterd Mini I observed that he tended to just sort of comment on things he found suspicious, not really focusing on a single player, but then when he finds someone he thinks is scummy (Oats in Mafia LXI, Rayn in Basterd Mini), he gets really active and starts making big cases on that person and really pushing that lynch. In his mafia games, Roulette Mini, Doctor Who, TL Mafia LX, Fruity Mafia I observed that he tended to jump around a lot more and not really focus on one person. He also pressures and asks more questions rather than post reads. In his older scum games he did post a lot more one liners, but that's not as evident in his more recent scum games. There's also a tell that I found in 3 of 4 of his scum games that didn't show up here, which is kind of a mindset thing as well that I'm not seeing in Vivax's play. mmmm... One of the main things that I disliked about Vivax's play was that he didn't seem like he was interested in scum hunting, particularly in the beginning of the game. I think that it's more consistent with his town meta. Same with his case on Wave, although I don't agree with it, this tunnel looks similar to his town games as well. ##unvote | ||
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I'm gonna fall back on TheChyz, I think he's the most scummy person so far. I don't feel good about Vivax or Mocsta lynches atm and I don't want a geript lynch today either because the only time I've played with people who have had a 'holier than thee' attitude towards me and basically ignored me or discredited me they have been town (VE in Normal mini, Palmar in Cultured). I think that it speaks of a townie sort of confidence. Anyways I'll be back tonight. ##vote TheChyz | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:56 Mocsta wrote: This smells to me. One, its great you listed a compendium of resources BUT vivax has been inactive for a long time. Thats like us using ya 2012 newbie to judge your play. Vivax has a recent town game, GSL, and even though its hydra it was admitted in the thread that him + kush were not that active/engaged in PM so its a fair indication of his current town play. Two, the timing looks opportune. At least others are stating that they found the cases weak. You on the other hand are using unsubstantiated meta to counter cases you previously thought were strong. You might find that hypocritical of me to say, but then, I am not the one selling myself as a analytical re-read player either. Hm I didn't take into account the dates of the games. And I don't know what you mean by opportune, I woke up, thought Vivax was suspicious and looked into him and decided he wasn't. | ||
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I said Id be gone for the day and now somehow there's a train on me? Someone tell me what the reason I'm top scum today is so I can stop this cuz this is retarded as hell. | ||
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I dont understand this at all | ||
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