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On February 24 2014 17:05 Promethelax wrote: Taking a break, last game I played made me too mad. I don't want to play when the game isn't fun for me, I'll be spectating for a while and I'll end up playing again in a few months. I can't resist the siren call of mafia. You will come back with a powerful townie artefact, looking forward to that. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote: Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that. If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? What I don't like about this post is that he can't simply say what he thinks about suki, but feels like has to put a Mocsta townread in front of it. That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1. Explanation: Gumshoe feels that he can't attack suki without supporting Moc cause he thinks that he would look like his lacking suspicion of Mocsta was unjustified. Like, in a hypothetical town vs town argument as scum you would think that you can't attack one townie without clearing the other. Moreover you can see that the part about Mocsta could be construed (in best-case scenario, ie gum town) as a justification for sheeping him ("but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit"), but gumshoe doesn't exactly use Mocsta's arguments (tryhard looking posts, "why-not-vote-for-me-question") and brings his own, which strengthens the overjustification version of events. The last bit with the nostalgia is either overanalyzing (if town) or making stuff up (if scum), so I think it should be disregarded entirely for now (@ geript). _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Nitpicking from this case is strictly forbidden, either you address all points and give a conclusive opinion or your remarks will be ignored. | ||
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Interesting perspective. I'm curious though, why bring this up now after gumshoe has all but been questioned to death and people are attempting to move on? Interesting perspective isn't an opinion, Wave. And showing past posts that give you the impression that somebody could be scum is the essence of this game. How does gum having already been discussed affect the points brought up? it's completely irrelevant. Mocsta Vivax Does this mean you think I am town? Not yet, but it's the scenario where a scum gumshoe is most likely to act that way imo. There's always the chance that suki is also scum (and gum picks your side and throws some soft suspicion onto suki to gain cred). I don't think that a scum gumshoe would act that way if you were scum though. I don't want to get too deep into connections just yet, but independently I have to add that gumshoe offers suki a premise that she could be town If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? in the conclusion of that post, and a way to comment on it based on that premise, which is pretty weird cause he just called out some points as scummy and then basically offers her the way out by adding two explanations on why her behavior wasn't necessarily scummy. Thus I wonder why gumshoe felt like he had to call it out as scummy in the first place if he already thinks that there are alternative explanations. | ||
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On February 27 2014 03:11 geript wrote: Because I didn't want to break my seal virginity yet. I has special plans for where and when to break said seal virginity. Speaking of which everyone should consider playing in Handslaps and fisticuffs later on. Or Coag has disallowed you to do that when you're scum since you might threaten the seal's sanctity. I suppose we will never know until you have flipped, but Grackaroni was indeed town when he posted it at the start of my last game. Go from town zero to town hero to scum zero. Anyway, can you explain this post to me? On February 27 2014 01:37 geript wrote: He's scummyish. Like his jokes aren't funny to me and he didn't really troll at all early on and when he did it was all wrong. But I feel like he detunneled from rayn in a pretty towny fashion. He's scummy for trolling matters (not serious). He's townie for detunneling (serious). Conclusion, he's scummy. I fail to understand how you get to a conclusion in this. Is this even conclusive? If not, expound on WoS please. | ||
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On February 27 2014 03:54 Holyflare wrote: Got anything other than your gumshoe point? I notice how you only conclude that his post is scum orientated but don't pressure it further, ask him about it or vote him, yet, with Geript you ask him to elaborate on posts you aren't sure about and pressure him to expand on his reads. Why is that? Geript is here, gumshoe isn't lol | ||
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For example, I have acknowledged that geript found something in WoS' play odd but doesn't mention what out of his own volition. | ||
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On February 27 2014 04:03 Holyflare wrote: So gumshoe is still on the backburner for you or have his posts when you weren't here changed that? I posted my points after his last post. Still waiting for him to comment on that. Jeez dude get to the damn point, it feels like I'm answering pointless questions, you are like an annoying journalist, why don't you tell me why you're even asking me all this seemingly baseless stuff? On February 27 2014 04:04 geript wrote: Driving. I thought you wanted me to post on the detunnel thing. Well don't write while driving bro. Anyway when you get home I'll be interested into getting a more conclusive read of WoS from you, and hearing of those points you found odd if you don't mind. | ||
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Gumshoe has my points to comment on, he can explain why he felt like he had to townread one and scumread the other, and why he calls suki scummy, then asks which circumstance is the correct explanation for her behavior in the case that she's town (which looks like he's offering her an out, taking away pressure from her). He basically gave her two possible explanations for her behaviour to pick from that don't picture her as scummy, and that after mentioning points that point to him thinking the opposite. | ||
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On February 27 2014 04:27 JarJarDrinks wrote: vivax, how do you feel about Chyz or the people voting him? I find it odd that you haven't mentioned him despite the fact that he's got 4 votes on him right now. I'd rather find it odd/scummy if I had mentioned the vote-leader and not anyone else. Leave no stone unturned. I don't think he's scum at the moment. I'd rather not expand on the reasons cause: 1. I could be wrong and I'd be taking away pressure from him. 2. I prefer to focus on the people I find suspicious. | ||
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On February 27 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote: lol right off the bat that's pretty awful. You'd rather focus on the people you find scummy, except they're not around right now so you have nothing further to push as you've said yourself. Why not comment on Chyz? People in glasshouses and stones, that's all I have to say to this post. It's no surprise you're one of my scumspects (now officially) when you now accuse me of something you're guilty of yourself. How is Chyz a person of interest to you if you never seem to mention him in your own posts yourself? | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Where did I say I thought Chyz was scummy? I said the pressure on him is interesting and as he is an important topic I should look into him. You seem to be avoiding it specifically. Yes, where did you say anything alignment-related about Chyz? I didn't say that you claimed to find him scummy, I said that you are guilty of your own accusation, since you have been avoiding the matter yourself. I would understand if somebody found me suspicious cause I was avoiding talking about one of his scumspects. But in this case, you attacked me for "avoiding" (I actually did give my opinion on his alignment) without you formerly showing particular interest into him, which is something that makes no sense from townie perspective, since you shouldn't be really suspicious of people avoiding guys you didn't form an opinion on yet. That wouldn't have been inherently scummy if you actually had taken a hard stance in the issue (like JJD) before attacking me for that, cause that would have warranted your particular interest in hearing of him from other people (an interest so particular that it raises your suspicion), allowing to elaborate the information in light of your own judgement about Chyz. Besides, how can you draw the line between avoiding and not showing interest into somebody? Saying that I avoid somebody already puts the premise there that what I do is supposed to be scummy, which reflects a possible agenda to paint me as scummy. On February 27 2014 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh this post. Vivax: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078¤tpage=32#621 In this post you question gumshoe about things i think either he, or someone else has already answered. Did you even read the big me/Wave/gumshoe discussion? Like, i don't see anything in that post that is not answered already. No, I didn't read all of it at that point. I just found that post scummy and wrote the points right off the bat. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Fucking school internet Vivax difference between you and me is I haven't looked into chyz yet but I want to, as it is relevant to thread interest right now. I don't take a stance on him yet because it doesn't make sense for me to have one before reading. You give a read based on.....? And then refuse to elaborate further. Those two things are most certainly not the same thing. Can you explain to me how you can find me suspicious for not-scumreading a guy you didn't even look into yet? You want to hear reasons for him being something when you don't even know what he wrote? What would you do with these reasons when you didn't even reach any own conclusions you could compare the information with? But you're suspicious cause I give reasons for not talking about my read on him when you give out reads for "feels"? ##Vote WaveOfShadow | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. In fact, gumshoe IS offering the alternate scenario where suki isn't scum, and offering her the explanations for her behaviour in that case, hence WoS is actually stating the contrary to what I stated. He says town should be considering all options, I say if you find somebody scummy you don't call it out and then put an explanation out there that the accused can use against your own argument. I'm reading this as if WoS wants to say that what gumshoe is doing is scummy, when in fact he's doing the contrary of what WoS states. He is actually considering all options, if you put it in WoS' way. On February 26 2014 11:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Wormhole. Gumshoe, let's get a read from you on someone that doesn't depend mostly/solely on meta. He asks gumshoe to not use meta. Gumshoe won't deliver. On February 26 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily come from scum, you know that. I do want to hear Mocsta's response though. ##Vote: gumshoe Votes before gumshoe even answers. On February 26 2014 11:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I find Wave's vote on gumshoe to be absolute crap. Rayn raises the FOS. On February 26 2014 11:49 gumshoe wrote: , if I see something scummy I will let you know. I have pointed out a few things that have intrigued me because I felt they would generate discussion, and kept back a few others because it is early in the game and I rather see them unfold on there own. If your worried about contribution from me, don't be, I love posting try hard cases when I have them( and I will have them, I assure you that) even as scum. I will contribute when I have something to contribute. I am not going to call you out as scum just because your pressuring me ( not a bad thing on in of itself) but understand that rushing me to produce something that doesn't exist is likely to result in either me getting picked apart for a sloppy play( Something you've been witness to often enough) or me making a good one because I felt I had to ( it's not that difficult to make anyone look scummy if you set your mind to it) and getting someone mislynched. Upon metaless case request, gumshoe refuses, gives reasons. On February 26 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote: That's a pretty martyr-y post. I dunno I'm starting to lean more towards sloppy townplay on gumshoe right now (and I'm also noting the involvement of JJD and Mocsta pushing gumshoe now) but I want to go look at his recent scumgame right now. HF if you had to make a call right now one way or the other, red or green? And after rayn raises the FOS and gumshoe replied something that doesn't fulfill WoS wishes, he not only doesn't keep inquiring, he even goes as far as giving him a townread. Now look at how WoS treats me when I don't give him what he wants about the current lynch candidate. It's a day and night difference in how he treats a gumshoe scumspect and a vivax scumspect. Rayn, I'm surprised you dropped WoS so quickly after all of this happened. | ||
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On February 27 2014 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's the difference in how Wave handles scumspects Vivax/gumshoe? You are not really pointing out what it is. WoS votes gumshoe, asks for metaless case. Gumshoe says he has some stuff at hand but waits for it to unfold. WoS becomes entirely disinterested into his request and gives him a townread. JJD asks me about Chyz, I say I have a not-scumread, but I won't expand on it cause it would be counterproductive in my eyes for the aforementioned reasons. According to WoS I am withholding information from town and scummy. | ||
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I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias. How does this make any sense??? WoS has been treating gumshoe as if he'd die from a slap on the wrist, and gumshoe goes all victim-mode. | ||
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Here he actively participates in discussions, and I'm confident in stating that the post tone is a lot different. Doesn't change where I stand with WoS though. Multiple of his actions don't make sense from a town point of view, him abandoning the gumshoe vote so quickly, suspecting me for not commenting on a player he doesn't know anything about, the not delivered look at a gumshoe scumgame he promised. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:01 geript wrote: He's referring to JJD's interaction with Mocsta about Mocsta phoneposting Sukmi instead of Suki where Suki responds and JJD gets in there a bit Moc. It shows that Wave is connecting various points together at once; like his mind is bouncing around instead of specifically looking for something he can latch onto. That fact is not only supertown but like super super town for WoS as well. I could go on further to explain but there's no point in doing further right now. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/haZd1Wl.jpg) | ||
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I want to add a few points though. Filterskim reveals a very passive Mocsta, no cases on people he believes to be scum since he has been put into the defensive. What I also don't understand is how he townreads WoS out of nowhere. He looked scummy to you, he looks scummy to me, and for him it's the strongest townread, and then he asks a question like this, which shouldn't interest him in the slightest if he's town imo: ##Unvote ##Vote Mocsta Putting WoS on the backfire for now. Mocsta is a more solid (and likely) lynch. | ||
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And somethings on mocsta but I have to re-read his filter to see what. Mostly I just remember his very jumpy nature from a target to another and his vote is very weak in my opinion. Can you go into detail on why you found the vote very weak at the time? Mind you that this post triggered Mocs vote on you. Also do you think Moc or geript is a better lynch today? | ||
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Imagine you're town and a townie defends you when you're not really at acute danger Imagine you're town and a scum defends you. All alternatives aren't really attractive except for the scum party involved, except when you're at realistic danger of being lynched, which you weren't. Shouting your townreads out loud without need only helps scum in picking their targets, for the nightkill and for lynches. They will know who they can push safely without facing resistance and who they have to NK. Besides, town shouldn't spend time circlejerking around why somebody is town in such situations, but why somebody is scum. Of course it's situational, and in your case I didn't feel the need to redeem you from anything to find scum. I simply didn't find you scummy like others did, and that's all town needs to know. | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:20 TheChyz wrote: I believe that was when his vote was on gumshoe. Basically he was agreeing with gumshoe all game until this post. So nothing on gumshoe all game long and suddenly he doesn't like his marketting crap? And then later ironically he unvotes gumshoe for "pulling on his strings". Kinda ironic since the marketing crap talks "How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them". And the conclusion is?You want to feed rope to moc or geript? | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am kinda into Mocsta, geript idk, maybe gumshoe mafia? Did you compare gumshoe's meta to GSL? Feels a lot different to me. Agree on geript though. I'd throw WoS in there though, still gotta hear from ange7, and I wouldn't discount suki yet, but I still got to dive her filter. Did I miss anyone else? | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote: Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:35 Holyflare wrote: i do not care what you write about me i want you to respond to the rest of it why can gumshoe be town after he posted that weird town read on mocsta at the start but mocsta is your vote for doing the same thing on wave and then you vote him over your main scum read wave My read on gumshoe is currently mostly based on meta. I don't recall Mocsta giving WoS a townread the same way gumshoe did. Point me to it. "Main scum read". I can change scumreads like I can change shoes for all I care, provided sound reasoning. Besides, what would I gain from pushing a guy nobody currently wants to lynch. After all there are three scum, nothing speaks against trying my luck elsewhere. Counterquestion: You're like the second guy on the mocsta wagon if I recall correctly. You call gumshoe's reason for giving him a townread weird, and you are untouched by his confidence that mocsta is town. Yet I don't see you poking gumshoe about that. What gives? | ||
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So you're either in a horrible mood and feel defeated, which I think is more likely to happen to scum cause they tend to live in paranoia, or you genuinely have no time and don't give a shit. Or maybe you completely changed your playstyle for giggles. I think this was your filter, like last half of it. You were a replacement right? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=413713&user=TheDavison&view=all Besides, if you're town it's not too late. There are some points I'd like you to address. Gumshoe's confidence in your townieness. Your WoS townread. A somewhat conclusive read on geript would be appreciated. And whatever else you can think of of your own. | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Doesn't matter to me right now. It's pretty rare for me to have strong scumreads D1 in any game so I'm pretty happy with just you. And if you can't lynch me? What will you do then? After all there gotta be two other scum somewhere right? In my opinion your vote will end somewhere meaningless. | ||
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- His opening play: Twisting things to look scummy, self-conscious - Opportunistic voting of gumshoe, 'red herring' case on rayn that ended up going nowhere - not pushing rayn even though he thinks rayn is scummy - Evolution of reads that feels fake | ||
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No one started saying Rayn was scummy, Mocsta didn't elaborate on his read even though I asked him. Wave and JJD start saying gumshoe is scummy. Mocsta votes gumshoe with his marketing crap reasoning. | ||
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I'm going into conspiracy mode now, but mocsta went to an unexplained townread, she went to an inconsistently explained townread. Should we assume that... | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:02 suki wrote: Hmmm.. Yeah but ifi remember right there were two timesi asked mocsta to elaborate.the first time I asked him and he ignored or didn't see it. Abs that'swhat thatquote is referringto. then I posted my big case on him and called him out for not taking about rayn and he said straight up he wasn't going to. Different situations. Can you find me the post where he said he wouldn't? Cause I can't find it. | ||
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On February 27 2014 00:35 Mocsta wrote: Suki, Im a feel player. Every town game, ppl call me scum for not being consistent and not understanding that my ranking system isnt equivalent to everyone elses. Regarding Rayn: Again, its a feel read, and not a priority for me this cycle - hence why i havnt gone into detail. Note, Rayn didnt query this either. Regarding Gumshoe: I can't remember. His posts on the read through seemed OK with me and not as "dramatic" as others were pointing out. e.g. stuff like the martyring felt contextually fine to discuss. Ok., this made you go town then, guess I'll roll with the explanation. HF you are ready to scumread suki for saying that the atmosphere is shit? Frankly I see that as something subjective and cause you said it as scum doesn't mean that town can't feel that way. At least that's what I think is the core of your argument. | ||
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Besides, I think Mocsta uses logical arguments in his town play so I don't really buy it. Like, the smurf game is the picture I have of the most tryhard mocsta I have ever seen. And he uses logic, and doesn't go like "meh, feels but the read doesn't matter this cycle anyway". | ||
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Mocsta, you had a chyz, rayn and HF scumread back in ur list post. Now it's all Chyz and me when the votes seem to swing in my direction, one of them being one of your feel scumreads (fuck those feelreads). Post reasoning for me being scum. | ||
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On February 27 2014 17:51 geript wrote: That's a good catch, but I agree it's not really strong either direction. I'll try to explain it more tomorrow. As for Vivax the only really good point Wave made was on the "towny getting to the bottom of an issue" thing. This post struck out to me as a real emotional disconnect. Not in the sense that he's faking rage or anything but it's really weird to go from the last statement here directly into a case. Withholding reads is usually viewed as weird and scummy. Vivax isn't like "get over it, not going to happen" but he's also not in any way trying to counter pressure to see why Wave doesn't get that. His post not even caring about my super town read on his scum suspect is weird but not so sure it's scummy. Dude, Wave was shitting around for not getting information about a player he never read about. It's like I: come into the game saying I didn't read anything and then call people scummy cause they don't give me a read about somebody. | ||
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On February 27 2014 17:22 geript wrote: Like here's the beef Rayn, like I'm here rereading Vivax despite the fact that I think he's town. Despite the fact that I don't really like the cases on him. Despite the fact that no ones even fucking to bother to read Toad. You think I'm town, hell you even agree I'm mod confirmed. Sweet. But like, you scratch my back I scratch yours dude. Might be a bit biased cause he doesn't simply join sentiment against me. But this post feels townie as fuck. | ||
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Like, he calls her for scum for overly wording a joke claim. On the other hand he's the first to call somebody out as scummy if I'm not mistaken. | ||
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The post where he comes in to "moderate" between you and suki just feels super wrong. Also Moc you're pretty prickly for a normal question, but let me go into detail. Everyone was bantering, fake miller claims, harry potter. Off the bat townreads, you and geript were the most serious guys during that phase, geript for Toad's townread, you for suki's posting. Anyway, you commented on WoS post reading suki as town cause feels saying On February 26 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote: [/B]Don't make me log onto a comp wave I was hoping we. Would both be town... Sigh Now before i go off the rails. Is the above truth or sarcasm? WoS says it's not sarcasm, ie town read serious. Next post you somehow manage to get the illusion that you are wave's scumread On February 26 2014 10:05 Mocsta wrote: Rayn Do u thibk its plausible for a town wave to infer I am a scum read already? How do you explain that? I think it's telling that at such a stage you are already so much into lynch politics, going as far as to imagine people scumreading you when they didn't say anything. But maybe you can explain where you got that illusion. Going on with the fullgame reread in the meantime. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily come from scum, you know that. I do want to hear Mocsta's response though. ##Vote: gumshoe This vote doesn't make any sense, unless WoS explains exactly what made him suspicious of gumshoe at the time, cause the explanation is lacking in his filter. He only says gum should deliver a not meta explanation. | ||
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Way to make the game confusing. | ||
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On February 27 2014 22:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Was a buildup. Eventually I saw enough that I felt like voting him. Right off the bat I found him suspicious, you can see it in my filter. Dude, you keep not saying anything. If you found him suspicious, there must have been a reason. What was the reason? Don't say feels. | ||
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Reading comprehension is a good skill toi have | ||
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Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment. And later you say In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. Which I already addressed earlier stating that gumshoe actually did consider all options, which you say is townie, and I say is scummy cause of the way he did it. | ||
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Later Wave touches upon the same post to say what's scummy about it. | ||
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You say this---the only scenario then to me in which the above makes sense is if they're both scum together. Are you making preflip associations in your case, Vivax? If you read what I wrote about gumshoe's post in my first post you would understand what I mean. He claims he's suspicious of suki for the tone of her posts, cause it feels crafted. At the end of the post he said that if she's town she's either nervous or baiting, which immediately offers an alternate explanation to his own crafted post theory. You say its townie to consider all options. I claimed it's scummy cause he basically offers her the easy out to his own interpretation of events, which leads to gumshoe's post having zero impact with the points he mentioned about suki. | ||
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Gumshoe didn't even come back since my post at the time, so there can be no gobetween. Try to fling more shit pls. | ||
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Calls him out for lurking, says the post said nothing about gum's alignment, later touches upon that same post to say that town should consider all options. Asks gumshoe for metaless case, gumshoe doesn't deliver. WoS doesn't care that gumshoe doesn't want to share information, and says that he starts to lean sloppy town on gumshoe, yet keeps his vote on him. | ||
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Point 1: Countered cause he didn't comprehend a post. Point 2: Countered cause I had my reasons for that post. There comes point 3: Hey Vivax all the points I said about you just now are completely worthless so please talk about the stuff you didn't counter yet. No thx Moc. | ||
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On February 27 2014 03:34 Vivax wrote: Yeah can you go into detail on these posts you felt were off please? I responded to one of those, where he asked me why I would focus on gumshoe when others already discussed him (which is something I don't understand from a townie point of view) So, where is the certain conclusion Moc? I was always doing blabla in GSL and now I'm always doing blabla. What a load of crap, and zero examples to back it up. | ||
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Like, he's wondering why I would call out something as suspicious....about one of his former scumspects. Wow, such townie. | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:08 Foolishness wrote: No, there's only crappy evidence on why Vivax is mafia. When he's mafia, he spams one liners (with the very rare long post). See TL Mafia LX here. He's mafia and he literally did nothing day 1 except post one liners and derp around. Now look when he's town in British II here. He barely posts any one liners, and his posts have substance; he actually says what he thinks. He doesn't derp. And this game he doesn't have one liners and is clearly trying. Others scumgames you might want to look up are LVIII, where town self-destroyed itself and Yet another normal mini mafia. And with that, I'm done defending myself. If you're town and voting for me consider yourself a nublet. | ||
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On February 27 2014 22:51 Vivax wrote: The premise is that the post is scummy, Moc. I mentioned your and suki's possible alignments based on the premise that gum is scum, not the other way around. Reading comprehension is a good skill toi have Stop twisting what I said. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:59 Mocsta wrote: .... (1) You are calling gumshoe scum (2) You are stating scum would be compelled to intervene (as gumshoe did) if the argument between moc/suki was town vs town (1) + (2) equivocate to me being a town read -- which you later deny. Of course I deny it, I'm not going to give you autotownread only cause I thought gumshoe was scummy. If I give you a townread it's cause of your play, not cause I find a guy scummy who picks your side in an argument. I mentioned that gumshoe's way of intervening there is likely to come from a scum in a situation where you two are town, since he feels like he has to townread you before going on with what he found suspicious about suki (cause he felt it would appear unjustified if he simply attacked suki without giving a verdict on you, he took sides clearly). That's the deal with the two of you being fighting townies. It was simply the version where I found gumshoe most likely to write that, and nowhere does it imply that based on my gumshoe stuff I have to townread you. However I have added that there's also the possibility that suki was scum, cause I thought it unlikely that a scum gum would immediately take Mocsta's side in his argument, and cause he offered suki the easy way out at the end of his post. But I can be wrong on this one cause I don't know how bussy of a scum player he would be, at the moment I was starting from the premise that scum don't defend each other, which might be wrong. So yeah, that's the whole reasoning behind the post, and what WoS called an "interesting perspective". | ||
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Although I doubt you will cause you're not figuring me out, you've been flinging shit at me since you found the opportunity to jump on my wagon. | ||
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Premise: gumshoe scum. Sees suki and moc calling each other scum. Thinks suki can look scummy. Doesn't simply say that suki is scummy for having "crafted" posts, like I would have expected if he was town. Sees that the two are having a debate. Townreads Moc cause he feels like he has to pick a side in the argument in order to attack suki. <- what I found scummy Why would he feel that way as scum? Cause he needs to keep his story straight, and thinks he would look scummy attacking suki without showing trust in the guy attacking her previously. He was already expecting the question: "But gum if you think suki is scummy, then what do you think of mocsta? They have been fighting after all." <- Which is the scummy mindset I imagined behind that post. Which explains the insecurity in that post. And while picking a side he really didn't cause he immediately offered suki the explanation for her behaviour from a town point of view, which is more evidence of scared posting. Now which are the most likely of Moc's and suki's alignments if a scum gumshoe felt that way? At the time I thought that it's a way in which scum would approach two fighting townies, but didn't discard that suki could be scum based on the premise that scum feels safer while bussing (and hence prefers to pick the townies side in an argument). Right or wrong, that's all my reasoning on that post. And repeating it makes me want to lynch gumshoe again althought his meta looks different from last scumgame. | ||
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On February 28 2014 01:48 JarJarDrinks wrote: I thought I gave my opinion on u. You said null, I think you have enough material in my filter to reach a more definite conclusion. | ||
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Also I'm kinda at loss why HF lost the will to lynch him after writing this: On February 26 2014 20:39 Holyflare wrote: and your stance on the JJD thing was nothing to do with intimidation it's to do with the fact that you said to wave "even if it's not intimidation it gleans nothing about gumshoe's alignment", yet, in the next 2 pages of your filter the majority of it was nothing to do with discovering alignments and ALL to do with people "knowing" yours the mafia mindset behind it is that you were under a lot of pressure in your mind and the first thing that goes through your mind was to post how you were playing to your town meta rather than your scum one and then jump on people that called you scum for reasoning you didn't understand rather than discuss it through to get people to have a different frame of mind on you and do more scum hunting. In fact, when I gave you the opportunity to explain your thought processes you said it's because you thought I was town and now you have completely backtracked on that and put me in your bottom 3 and so your explanation now holds 0 weight at all | ||
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It's not at all clear that these other people show WAY more scummy things than Mocsta in your eyes, since I would argue that he's the guy you spent most of your arguments on. | ||
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One of the main things that I disliked about Vivax's play was that he didn't seem like he was interested in scum hunting, particularly in the beginning of the game. I think that it's more consistent with his town meta. I started the game by getting at rayn, getting at geript and asking him questions about WoS. I don't see how that's not scumhunting as opposed to drawing shitty paint pictures, and even more I don't see how not scumhunting is supposed to be my town meta. Am I scumhunting more as scum or what? | ||
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Being speculation I can't know if it actually applies, so I'm not following that rule to the letter, especially not without knowing your alignment. | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:17 Mocsta wrote: I'm liking geript. As scum he could be trying to look good by town reading me, but his reasons seemed decent and not bullshit. It at least showed he thought about it which I thinks important with one caveat. He normally calls me town for moclogic which he hasn't dine here. Either way he's a terrible lynch for today. On February 28 2014 01:22 Mocsta wrote: 13. Geript (filter) Too many illogical thought processes. Keeps of taking, but doesnt give back. Its difficult to express my distaste without a filter dive; but I get the feelings hes hamming up a destructive meta. I think he even alluded to this early game when I said as scum I like to infiiltrate town, and he said, not everyone is like that. I also really dislike he didnt town read me for moclogic. (a town Geript trademark) I dunno why I feel so strong about quite a few ppl being town, but yeah, thats where I am currently. | ||
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What does that have to do with anything I just addressed. You just said geript isn't at chance of being lynched, yet people are discussing him on THIS page. Mocsta comes in with his victimistic post acting as if his lynch was set in stone and says he likes geript and his reasoning for him being town with one caveat, the moclogic shit. Later he says geript shows terrible logic and if geript doesn't call moc town for moclogic then it's scummy. What's the deal with you and Moc, gum. If you are so sure that he's town try to persuade me, cause you go all out even saying things that aren't true (geript isn't a lynch candidate, so that post isn't scummy) to defend him. | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:53 geript wrote: No, you've FUCKING NEVER HAD A READ ON HIM YOU FUCKING LIAR!!!!!!! You posted a list of who's town, that's not a read. That doesn't come close to resembling a read. It's the exact same shit that you pulled with Suki and Vivax. Both of which you're happy to retract based on thread sentiment. NO YOU'RE SCUM AND I WISH MARV WERE HERE TO HELP ME LYNCH YOUR LYING ASS!!!! The fact that no one can find it possible or realistic or whatever just makes them fucking awful because their reads on your are based on nothing. I just can't believe that this post could come from scum, get the fuck off of geript. | ||
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I wouldn't expect that kind of emotionality from scum. He gives me a strong impression that he actually believes what he writes, and even if a townie writes nonsense, he can still be townie for the way he supports it. You posted LIX, toad. I am the living proof for that. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:19 Holyflare wrote: then maybe you should check survivor series Skimmed it, doesn't look at all like here. Many voteswitches, few reasons. Couldn't really spot a tunnel. Also jokey tones at the beginning of the game. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:28 gumshoe wrote: He is my number two scum read ( : big gap in between the two, what do you think the titan fall hype? What happened to your suki scum read. A lot of your bad cases on JJD are based on them being scum together and showing their connections. | ||
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So yeah, my scum team is primarily Suki and Jar, with Vivax in the wings(much sheep on the case against him) to this He is my number two scum read ( : big gap in between the two, what do you think the titan fall hype? | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:32 Holyflare wrote: i'm not sure if you're being intentionally thick headed, you said his emotion makes him towny, I said there is evidence it doesn't and that's not a town tell anyway but then you somehow relate it to a meta read on geripts tunnel...? You think he was emotional in that game? | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Whats changed? I still think your all scum. You must be pretty desperate to be nitpicking this hard. Dude, there's one part in your case that doesn't assume JJD and suki are scum together: I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game. Find me examples for the bolded, cause the hyperbole you use for him jumping around doesn't really reflect in his filter. He voted Chyz, then unvoted saying his posts looked townie. Now he's on your ass. That's all I gained from his filter and it doesn't look like he's jumping around like crazy like you say. Most of your case against JJD is something that could be used against you and your irrational certainty of Mocsta's alignment. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:36 gumshoe wrote: Ok, lets play it this way, instead of just pointing to a meaningless inconsistency, tell me why my upping you to number 2 of 3 while still holding you all together as scum makes me scum, or why I would do that as scum. I want motive, otherwise all your doing is scape goating. Or you could simply explain how you set those priorities. My guess is that it depends on the likelihood of one of them getting lynched. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:51 gumshoe wrote: Hes been on and off Moc, Me and Chyz and he just back traked on Suki as well. My irrational certainty of Mocsta is based off a games worth of experience with him together as scum, Jar's faith in Suki was based off one post and as the heat mounted onto her he forgoed her as well. Oh and that one piece of my case saying theyre not scum together is exactly why I would prefer to not lynch Suki before him or you. Shes still probally scum, and I'll gladly vote for her, I'm just making preferences clear. I've been on you, Moc, geript, WoS and whatnot. HF has been on another shitload of people. Rayn has been on another shitload of people. Are Toad and geript supertownie just cause they only bark at each other? It's an awful explanation for somebody being scum if you don't show HOW those switches have been scummy. And you won't know if those switches were scummy if you don't ask jarjar how he changed his mind on these subjects. Which would be the next step. | ||
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FOr the record, I don't want to be the guy who lynches the medic. I don't think anyone does, so I'm forced to re-evaluate and see if there's reason for you to be telling the truth. Is that scummy, Vivax? If you put it like that, no. I have a particular aversion towards you in this game for the way you approached me when I declined to give my read on Chyz and how you treated your semi-scumread on gumshoe, then cranking out a textbook case without having the volition to consider other options. Is that scummy to think you're scum under those circumstances? After all you've been one of the few, if not the only one to interpret me withholding the Chyz opinion as scummy. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:20 Ange777 wrote: EBWOP: Or is there another serious contender for the lynch? geript I would say | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:25 gumshoe wrote: So? If your scum, you claim rb. If your town, you get rbed, scum doesnt shoot you, we do. I'm so glad you feel your doing such a service to town, but your claim literally says nothing about your alignment. Since I'll be sucking up rbs or get killed or even get my action through, it doesn't really matter much as long as I don't get lynched by jubjubs. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:27 Holyflare wrote: *pat* *pat* how is it exactly you and gumshoe KNOW there are rb'ers in this game? Do we? | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: I still feel like gumshoe scumslipped that moc was town Yeah it's possible, but with scumslips you never know. I've jumped on so many scumslips already in my career that turned out to be from townies. And I don't mean scumslips that come from role knowledge, those are reliable, but scumslips based on alignment wording. Either way, I've felt more confident that he was scum since he came into the thread with the post where he sounds like he's sure he's going to get lynched. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote: hmmm why is vivax saying that he's found that i'm a scummy read but then telling everyone to vote for mocsta based on wifom???? I guess that'll remain a secret. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:48 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Mocsta Prob have to go in a few but will be on before the deadline. Not crazy about it but better than a suki lynch methinks. Hey gum. Presuming a scum suki, do you see this coming from scum? | ||
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Also, I found this at the time where he said he was conflicted cause suki voted for me and found it scummy: On February 27 2014 12:57 Holyflare wrote: Let me spell this out for you. Mafia's main aim of the game is to mislynch players and try to fit in and get themselves town read. Suki starts the game IMO differently to how she normally played (ignore what other people say that she was, they are dumb), she wasn't accusatory, she wasn't trying to question, she wasn't trying to solve. She returns to the thread and the first thing she does is make a case on Mocsta who she had already been voting. Now, a townies mindset would be: 1. Think a person is scum 2. Outline to the thread and vote 3. Pressure, discuss and determine whether you are wrong or right. A scum trying to emulate this can't possibly make someone elaborate because the more they elaborate the more likely that person is to appear towny to everyone else and then you look worse, so how else to fit in? You post something that everyone can agree with. What happens from suki next? She posts a case on chyz, who everyone was on top of and who everyone was considering scummy. She's in the mode for making cases so she's forced out a case, the trouble is he didn't post much and so there's nothing much to call scummy, thus her case looks really really bad and her conclusion is "weak and scummy" rather than "scummy". Not only this but she doesn't try and question mocsta and chyz further and further to try and determine their alignments. Most of her questions are "what do you think of x or y" which is classic scum blending in too. Not only this but the town atmosphere is very good, lots of people were put under pressure and town reads are popping up everywhere, rayn points out in her town game how MORE people were getting read as scum in her game and she was happy with that but in this game her stance is completely reversed, what possible reason is there for a towny to say this? None. There is no scum hunting aspect and her posts have no general overlay to scum hunting. Scooby doo is because she joined the adventure mspaint game while questioning it, it's minor but proven to catch out scum. Vivax also posted some stuff about her read flipping that made sense and i cba to bring it up so read it yourself. On February 28 2014 00:02 Holyflare wrote: oh snap, suki is voting vivax? uber conflicted right now He claims to like some of my arguments on suki...why doesn't he feel conflicted there but feels the need to express it when suki votes for me? | ||
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On February 28 2014 07:04 Ange777 wrote: Guys, I'm leaving now. Might have another look before I fall asleep but I won't be there for deadline. If there is anything I need to address, tell me now. Yeah, vote Moc pls. | ||
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On February 28 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote: I made this town sentiment, are you even reading the thread? Do you have a helmet? | ||
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That seems like a lot of effort for scum. I figure scum would be content with posting a case on a person and let that path develop, and not put another one on top out of own volition. After all when you're scum you rather feel like doing the necessary, not much more than that. | ||
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On February 28 2014 07:45 Holyflare wrote: you must be on tilt because i'm countering your arguments for why she isn't mafia with logical points but somehow i'm now antagonising? Deadline is approaching and you pop out when I start doubting the popular lynch to defend it. You play reactively and not proactively, which suggests you feel comfortable laying back and doing nothing until you feel you have to react to something. | ||
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On February 28 2014 07:58 Holyflare wrote: huh? if somethings been said before and their only contribution is to make a long winded case on a guy based on points already said that's an easy way to fit in to the game and blend, + everything else i already said, i'm playing reactively now because i'm happy with this lynch choice so i need to dissaude people from changing their minds last secon like silly people, i've been proactive most of this game I posted my shit on gumshoe regardless of other people having said similar things, and I'm not scum. I simply read his post and posted my thoughts without giving a shit if he had been discussed already, so how is that strictly a scum mindset? | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:24 TheChyz wrote: Ok so I'm still mostly on the geript track. Nothing he has said has really swayed me away from wanting to lynch him. Nobody has defended him in any way other than saying since he is trying to hard to be so tunnely and not listen to others and his emotion (which can easily be faked) to be him being town. However my argument from before still holds. And even if he is town I think it would be maybe the best mislynch possible since we all know he wont ever change his mind (somebody also quoted him from an irc chat they had with him i believe) and help town unless it goes the way he wants it. He is a parasite to the town, no mater the alignment which is why I think he is still the best lynch target. What makes you different from geript since you've been on him since that failed JJD case without trying to influence the other lynches, which is a prerequisite for getting geript lynched? | ||
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However I don't like that you say you don't mind other people being lynched, since I would expect that you want the person lynched that you DO want to get lynched, and not anybody else you didn't really take a closer look at. Or did you take a closer look at suki and Moc? | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:27 Cavalinho wrote: Fair enough. I'm still not entirely sure why rayn and HolyFlare think suki is scummy. The only reason I'm this indecisive is that if my strongest townreads are jumping to take her out, then there might be something to it. I don't see it, and the only people I really want to vote for have almost no votes on them. I think JJD's filter shows that he's trying to contribute, but he's only arguing around in a circle with everyone else. I think I'm going to have to trust my townreads on this one. ##Vote suki Rayn went derp mode for reasons I can't understand. The mocsta confirmed town thingy makes no sense to me the way he explained it cause I don't expect the hosts to do a favour to individual players. So yeah, his suki vote is a riddle, and he basically stopped playing the game outside of that. HF thinks suki is scummy for the bad town atmosphere thingy and cause he thinks that saying things others said previously as if they were your own is scummy and not just copyright infringement cause you don't care who a point belongs to if it's a good point. Furthermore HF found Mocsta scummy himself for reasons similar to the ones suki mentioned (unexplainable read jumps in his incredibly helpful lists /sarcasm) but completely quit pursuing him afterwards and disregards what suki said about mocsta just cause he says she was rehashing that. On the other hand I already mentioned at some point that both of Moc's and suki's reads on each other changed in weird ways after their initial aggression so there's the conspiracy theory that they are in fact both scum. | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:52 TheChyz wrote: No I don't. The moment he sayed it he already sounded arrogant as if he was untouchable (which he probably is). He is also willing to shoot anybody who argues with him and pisses him off is really stupid imo. Would rather mislynch even if he is vig than mislynch some townie and have him shoot a townie because of him ego. This post kinda gives me town feels. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:07 Mocsta wrote: That was an intense catch up I thought I was about to be lynched Guys. This heavily implicates vivax...... I.e. her vote drop on him yesterday before I went to bed We'll see how much this implicates me when you drop dead bro. Looks like you missed something in your ketchup. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:08 Mocsta wrote: What... U think the early interactions. Between me and suki and scum to scum...... That's seriously not possible Lol Moc, seems like you're perfectly aware of what makes you look badly, as that's the conspiracy theory I brought into the game. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:25 Cavalinho wrote: You and I both know that a highly polarized lynch like this is only going to tell us that there is likely at least one, maybe two mafia on the Mocsta train. It may or may not be us, but that's definitely the next place we should look for scum. I was pretty gunshy before tonight, but I'm ready to start making stuff happen. Except that this isn't correct if Mocsta is mafia. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh man if I'm right about vivax HF can we share MVP status? Russian roulette, sounds like fun. The shot goes off, you die, I live. I get roleblocked, you live, I might die. | ||
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And Toad was on the other wagon. And geript just left the tunnel to comment on something else. WAT | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:52 gumshoe wrote: Whatever you say lord Vivax, please don't shoot me ) : Good boy. We will get along well. Now go make me a sandwich. | ||
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Suki flips and Toad is on the wrong wagon, and the first thing that comes to mind for geript after tunneling that guy like a madman is the 1 to 10 stuff from me? ?????? I'd have expected something like "This proves Toad to be scum". | ||
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On February 28 2014 10:09 geript wrote: God I feel like everytime I post the thread goes either instadead or hyperinsane Don't worry, peasant, thee King feels as alive as ever and is here to lend you his royal ear | ||
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Mocsta Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? You: 1 Because there aren't millers. hahahahahaha mocsta | ||
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I got the synopsis I think. That Toad's read on Rayn couldn't have been genuine, but I think that he or somebody else stated that it was so early in the game that the read itself was trolly. If you could make a case for dummies that would help your cause. | ||
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Overall the guy has said a few things that can come from newbie town, like lynching who is useless and not who is scum. The above conclusion is based on the premise that scum is afraid to piss off/draw attention from townies that they can't get lynched anyway. Cavalinho would need massive balls to do what he did as scum and his post flip reaction was similar to mine, so I went with town for that moment. But I still gotta read his filter with my scumhunting goggles on. About JarJar I can say however that if he's scum he had massive balls too since gumshoe had been riding on the argument that he's scum for townreading suki all day long. And since suki was a very possible lynch he should have gotten cold feet at some point and reacted to gumshoe's pressure in a way that would be evident for somebody knowing her alignment. | ||
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He first voted suki cause his townreads did that. Then suki voted Mocsta, it was 5 to 4. Aaaand ninjaed by rayn. I'll leave this unfinished ^ | ||
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Went back to look at gumshoe cause of his first post which I commented like this: Me to Mocsta: Not yet, but it's the scenario where a scum gumshoe is most likely to act that way imo. There's always the chance that suki is also scum (and gum picks your side and throws some soft suspicion onto suki to gain cred). I don't think that a scum gumshoe would act that way if you were scum though. On the other hand I'm starting to think that geript and Toad might have been bussing each other just to shit up the thread, which is the trademark of Toad scum play. What was the game again where he and I think VE bussed each other while going for the endgame? | ||
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On February 28 2014 19:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did they lynch suki over Mocsta? Well geript and Toad didn't. | ||
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On February 28 2014 19:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: If geript and Toad were mafia geript is basically planning on playing the endgame all by himself. Do you think he can kill people fast enough before they get "confirmed"? I suppose they hoped to get confirmed by bussing each other like that and then having one of them flipped at some point, theoretically giving the remaining guy a ton of cred. | ||
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Only when I claimed he decided to vote for suki. | ||
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Like, he said this at some point: On February 28 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sorry, Didn't really see that as a question @ first Well my answer u probably wont like because it involves pre-flip association but here goes: I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead. Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly. Now suki flipped scum and JJD gets his confirmation, but doesn't want to write about it. Much like geript not popping out and shouting immediately that Toad is scum for being on the Moc wagon. | ||
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Like, if scum had any hope to deflect that lynch it was by pushing Mocsta. Hard and well before suki got all that attention upon her. JJD preferred gumshoe who was a more unlikely lynch and Mocsta was just kind of a meh vote, so I have my doubts about him being scum. This is a novel argument btw. The one you want me to touch upon is that I think JJD wouldn't go all out and simply call her town when being poked for it. At least there should be some reasoning cause he would know he'd be called out for it later. But I prefer the former points as explanation to this one. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:25 gumshoe wrote: So? If your scum, you claim rb. If your town, you get rbed, scum doesnt shoot you, we do. I'm so glad you feel your doing such a service to town, but your claim literally says nothing about your alignment. | ||
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On February 28 2014 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well tbh your play before and after the claim is like day and night. heh.-- Well as you said I get pissed when people think I am scum and just don't listen to the explanations I give them. That's why I felt so good rubbing it in WoS face that I can't be scum, and asked him how sure he is I'm scum before claiming. Of course you can't know if my claim is true until I shoot or die, but from my perspective I felt untouchable all game long cause of the role I have. | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far. Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc. Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. Then when neither of us look like were getting lynched, he goes onto Chyz(flavour of the hour and who coincidentally enough was Suki's target as well) and when Chyz looks like hes not getting lynched he backs off him to. and finally back onto me. Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game. I also completley agree about the people who feel that the thread atmosphere is bad. This is scummy for two reasons, 1: Saying so is useless and does nothing to help town (its also a good excuse for future lurking/flip flopping). 2: Scum, are the only ones who would have that impression (this game is pretty great so far) because they would be able to know if town is onto any of them or not, if none of town are, then the atmosphere will appear to them to be in thier favour therefore bad. Thats the kind of scum slip I can get behind and it's one both suki and Vivax have made. So yeah, my scum team is primarily Suki and Jar, with Vivax in the wings(much sheep on the case against him). For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. ##Vote: Jar Jar On February 28 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead. Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly. On February 28 2014 03:54 gumshoe wrote: Where did he claim 0_0. and ultimatly I'm just not going to vote for someone I no longer think is scum, today I will lynch (in this order) Jar, vivax and suki. No one else. After my claim: On February 28 2014 06:08 gumshoe wrote: Oks, I'm totes fine with lynching Suki after this, . Makes me feel pretty certain that Jar was prepping for a red flip on Suki, so yeah I am now confident thier scum together( as opposed to Jar just sheeping her because he knows shes town) and after we lynch suki I can always get Jar via association. ##Unovte ##Vote: Suki Gum's reasoning is super dangly. Like, his whole premise throughout time was that suki JJD and me are scum. Before the claim he started attacking me and had suki as last in his lynch order. After the claim, 6 hours later after the post from JJD he uses as reason, he uses it as justification for voting suki, when it was there well before my claim, yet gumshoe only felt like using it after it was clear I was not getting lynched. | ||
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On February 28 2014 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So gumshoe basically puts himself in a situation where he calls one mafia and one townie scum and there is no way back? I am not sure if this makes sense from scum pov. I don't get this. He didn't want to lynch suki (first) before my claim, JarJar posts that other association thingy, gumshoe doesn't jump on it. He only jumps on it after my claim to use it as his justification for voting suki. It would have been more realistic if he said that he's voting suki cause he can't lynch me or JarJar, not use that shoddy reasoning for it. | ||
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My main issue is simply that I cannot understand how you chose your lynch priorities regarding suki me and JJD, how you abandoned your early vote on her and why you brought up JarJar's post after I claimed as a reason for your vote instead of 1000 better reasons (like the points you already had brought up earlier. | ||
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This person comments on multiple people being scummy for some reason, two of them being called out. The person calls some of suki's points legitimate at some point, but at no point calls anything scummy about suki, only asks her a question about the town atmosphere thing. The person calls out Mocsta and TheChyz as scummy, but when the person has to decide it justifies its vote on suki by arguing that most townreads are on her, and doesn't argue for Mocsta being more scummy over suki despite calling him scummy earlier, but never saying much about suki. And the person iiiis? | ||
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And as JarJar said, the vigi fakeclaim is the most dangerous one cause if the real vigi sees it then he will shoot you. Although I've already been in a game with two one-shot-vigis, but since there's probably a DT I don't think that it will be the case. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:26 Ange777 wrote: Page 47. I have to leave but will be back later (hopefully in a few hours). Right now I'd probably lynch Mocsta, runner up would be TheChyz. On February 28 2014 06:43 Ange777 wrote: Can you explain where gumshoe supposedly scumslipped? I'd vote for suki or Mocsta, don't really know right now which one of them is scummier. Given the fact that my better town reads are voting suki, I'll sheep them for now. ##Vote: suki Obviously since she has been doing catchup for half a day or something like that she could hardly make conclusive posts about why she would lynch her scumreads. But basically all I see is picking single posts and either asking a question or other rather minimalistic things. I think I've only been playing once with her so I'm not fond of her meta but anyway, there are a lot of spots in her filter where I get the feeling she chainsaw defends suki by asking people aggressive questions about their points on suki, most of all Mocsta when he was bringing up stuff on suki. | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:26 gumshoe wrote: Point 1: I would have had to have put myself in that position in the first place. Why would I do that as scum? Point 2: "Ok guys, Jar is scum, I gotta go now, wont be in time for lynch, but trust me, just vote him" You "slipped" in the post that Moc was like confirmed town in your opinion (intentionally or not). Hence closed the door for a lynch on him. Point 2 would have made you look shitty cause you had suki in your scumreads previously but would have left your vote where it didn't matter. | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:30 geript wrote: Don't worry gummybear, I got your back. Vivax if you shoot my gummybear then I swear I will lynch you for funsies. Not if I kill you first bish. Post town seal or I shoot you. | ||
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##Vote geript Bussing each other with shitty arguments that couldn't convince a kid that one of them is scum for all of D1. Geript going super town on Mocsta and yet not giving a fuck that he almost got a majority around deadline (not giving a fuck cause he could have voted suki to support that read). Trying to backtrack on his Toad read after they lost the GF. Without success. Getting roleblocked by Toad to make him look less shitty and possibly giving Toad a reason to backtrack on his read. To me it makes sense this way. | ||
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It's perfectly possible when people in the scum team have limited time and felt like they couldn't deflect the lynch. That said, D1 is over and I still didn't see conclusive stuff from Ange7, except that she called Mocsta as possible scummy D1 and then went to suki cause townreads. | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:59 Cavalinho wrote: After I promptly changed my vote because I had an opportunity to save (what I perceive to be) a townread. If you aren't going to step in and vote Mocsta, then stop bugging me. On February 28 2014 09:00 Cavalinho wrote: Well...That's that I guess. I did all I could. But really???Scum posting this stuff when they face defeat in the face? Must be pro scum. | ||
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##Vote TheChyz On February 28 2014 08:44 TheChyz wrote: Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will The third he doesn't mention here is geript who he has been pushing before. Nothing clear about Mocsta, but it's evident he hasn't been considering him for lynch. When the last minute shit happens he doesn't switch to suki like he announced he would. That's cause he couldn't switch to anyone else and was too conflicted to kill her cause there were chances that somebody would unvote her. Last minute bandwagon ftw. Case closed. He's scum. | ||
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Later when the stuff starts piling up on suki Chyz comes in with this (snipped the stuff later in the post), and what I find scummy is that TheChyz mentions the same stuff Toad did but prefers to push geript. On February 27 2014 23:56 TheChyz wrote: Ok so atm geript is getting quite a free pass from alot of people and I am curious as to why. His overall play this game has been all 1 tracked and tunnel visiony. I think its ok to tunnel vision on a read and not back off, but after everything this game his attitude has been like that towards everything. There is nothing worse than being scum but a close second is a unsuportive town which will ignore everybody's opinions on everything and just go their own way. These are the only two possibilites that I find possible for the way geript has been playing and in both scenarios they just cause useless confusion in town. | ||
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Chyz for saying suki is a candidate for his vote, but not Moc and then doing jack to get that opinion through when the suki lynch was at danger. Cava for voting her while hard-defending her at the same time, cause his townreads voted her. JarJar didn't do anything to influence what was happening at that point, but I'm not even sure if he was around at deadline. But he had a pretty strong townread on her and a scumread on Moc. JJD have you been around @ deadline? Anyway we lynch these three and we hit scum, no question. Basically what HF has been saying all the time, but I wouldn't be Vivax if I hadn't been trying to question even that. | ||
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On March 03 2014 02:45 Cavalinho wrote: Vivax, did you ever actually consider shooting gumshoe during night 1? At the point where I was calling him scummy and considering Ange7 I had already kinda decided that I would shoot Toad. I wasn't even that sure that he was scum. My whole logic behind the target was that if he was scum he was trying to manipulate me by martyring and if he was town he announced that he'd stay useless on purpose no matter how much you encouraged him to do something else and hence I shot him. He made himself the most obvious target for me, and I was more than happy to oblige. Geript at least started trying. | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:57 suki wrote: chyz you can still save me -_- On February 28 2014 08:57 suki wrote: instead of berating cav and letting this happen. suki: "Oh wait I actually should think he's scum" On February 28 2014 08:58 suki wrote: you scum bastard This is just funny | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:36 TheChyz wrote: Cause no shit she would want to be saved. The fact that I didn't vote on moc and save suki is a good start to not being scum. Also 15 minutes before deadline I was practically given an out by you to say more on moc or suki. I could have just as well made some BS excuse for moc and saved suki. You said you would lynch either her, me or geript, not Moc. But you didn't vote for her caaaaause you weren't sure that she would get lynched anymore and didn't vote Moc cause you were afraid of how you would look after the flip if it didn't work since you announced you would vote (her). The situation paralyzed you. Or maybe you have an explanation why your vote didn't end up on her. | ||
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This bugs me a lot. On February 28 2014 06:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: I still feel like gumshoe scumslipped that moc was town On February 28 2014 06:48 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Mocsta Prob have to go in a few but will be on before the deadline. Not crazy about it but better than a suki lynch methinks. Well I kinda feel dumb now. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote TheChyz There IS a town explanation for what JJD did when voting, and it's simply when he genuinely thought suki was town. But I see no town explanation for the Chyz pushing cavalinho to vote Moc and saying that he would vote suki but not doing that. | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:57 gumshoe wrote: This is such bullshit by the way, you go after me all night 1, call my jar jar read shit, then accuse me of making a misplay when I reveal vet because all a fucking sudden I'm a super threat. Let me ask you this, would jar jar or cav shoot me if they were scum? I'd wager they'd shoot you after me for confirmed status, HF and WoS. Ange7 is taking zero leadership and mostly sheeping her townreads while providing some insight and asking question but she's nowhere near as involved as you. If I had to guess a lategame scenario it would be cavalinho Chyz/JJD/Ange7/JJD as remaining players. Yeaaaah, maybe you too. We can talk all day long how good or bad that vet claim was but your role's job was simply to get shot, and you threw it away. I'm not mad tho. Just means you'll get into lylo and that's not really a problem given how sharp you've been this game. If you're town, strictly speaking. | ||
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Don't make yourself a victim now please. I treat everyone equally badly. | ||
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Cause now we can narrow the pool of suspects even more, sure it's shite that you will probably die but hey, the result will be almost the same. 1 less suspect. ##Unvote ##Vote TheChyz | ||
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##Vote JarJarDrinks Yeah ok that kind of confidence and fantasy now looks unlikely to come from scum again if he knew JJD would flip town. | ||
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Geript walked away in shame. | ||
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Ange7 on the other hand has 2 pages of filter and a D1 free pass. I just don't wanna believe that suki hasn't been bussed, especially when her teammates could have had time restrictions. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:52 geript wrote: She talks a bunch about suki and toad in her filter too... at least in passing. Yeah it's so hard to be right as scum. | ||
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On March 03 2014 09:09 TheChyz wrote: Also cav, what is the point of wanting to lynch your target? You wanted him lynched before you told us you are cop. If you really are cop that what is the point of lynching your target? Save him for the next night phase so you can actually get a read on him and go after someone else. Makes no sense to me, what was your thought process of wanting to go with the JJD lynch. Looks like it only benefits you if you are scum and nothing else. Yeah would've been better to pick another target for lynch cause he could have cleared two at once. I actually thought of that earlier but then kinda thought it didn't matter cause he primed his check...But it actually does matter. | ||
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On March 04 2014 04:46 Cavalinho wrote: I'd tell you, but I'm too pissed off about being tunneled for next to nothing to answer. It's not like it matters. Because according to HF, this game is just going to be so easy. So easy. You should feel like confirmed town now, I had a lot of ppl on my ass D1 but after my claim I stepped up my play enormously cause I knew people just would listen and trust and I didn't have to defend myself anymore. Why u go the other path and play in a disruptive way? You aren't even confirmed yet, the reason you should reveal and discuss who to check is that you'll be dead soon if you survive this night, and can't hide behind shitty fake checks on people that aren't really doubted by town. | ||
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Why so prickly. | ||
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For the sake of those who didn't, can you discuss tonight's check please? | ||
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On March 04 2014 05:17 Cavalinho wrote: Fine. I'm checking Chyz. Holy shit I hate all of you. This is cause you're new on this forum. You'll feel like you've been treated as VIP this game if you ever try to push a lynch on marv. | ||
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You know what to do I suppose. If you can try to get HF to actually do something again. | ||
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On March 04 2014 20:31 Holyflare wrote: And i like how you're also setting up a lylo lynch for me, there's vivax and gumshoe still alive you know You implying I could be scum? | ||
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Well, gumshoe won't get shot ever so you can expect him to be at lylo. Chyz won't get shot. Ange77 won't get shot cause she doesn't put herself out there. Wave and HF both turned town their contributions heavily so idk about them, but they're more likely to get shot than the ones above. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:13 geript wrote: Plus... I'm not 100% on it, but you check your scum targets... Like he had a townread : on JJD then later on... Like No way in hell he's parity. Think of all the lulz you get if he flips town. Like how much mockery could you make of me for pushing and lynching blue. like come on dude. On March 03 2014 08:32 geript wrote: If he's parity cop... why wouldn't he say ever here. Not town guis... not town. On March 03 2014 08:35 geript wrote: Goddammit. If he's blue then that means that I'm going to be alive until endgame.. fuck. This series of posts make him look pretty bad. | ||
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In the next line he uses a shit argument. And the last post seems like an illogical post to make from somebody who thinks he's modconfirmed. | ||
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He refused to take a side in the D1 lynch. Sure, it would look shitty if he joined the wagon on Mocsta together with his scumread, but then why not join the one on suki. He did the same thing TheChyz did (and I only noticed just now) Read his filter, where does he urge me to shoot Toad? He said it's like JJD/Toad during the night, next day he gives him the super townread to push Cava. He has one post where he says Toad and Chyz can't be scum together, later asks for a check on him from Cava. Like, sure he can argue that he just changed his mind that easily over time, I do that too. But the thing about geript is that he doesn't express doubt about his reads. Like, he goes from "x has to be y" to "x has to be z" without really weighing in both sides. He makes decisions on how he should read people. ##Unvote ##Vote geript | ||
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Of what worth is a town seal if he posts it as scum. | ||
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I'd rather keep geript around for some more actually, at least he actually does stuff. | ||
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D1 free pass, ok. But not doing jack all game long and always using your townreads as reasoning can't be legit, Ange77 without doubt has a not-role-reason to suddenly end up at LYLO. I heard she kicks ass as town. Being right just with your vote isn't kicking ass, it's being right. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:44 Ange777 wrote: I don't think Toad's claim on Cav would have resulted in a red check. There is no need to give up the scum roleblocker in a 1-1 trade when you are already down to 2 scum. Cav is a potential lynch candidate. If he is town, lynching him could have given Toad's claim the credibility to survive longer and/or steer the following lynches as long as he claimed that he got roleblocked. If he is scum, Toad could help Cav to survive longer. But I don't think this contradicts my read on Cav as he is my least sure townish read of those 4. This post is a dragged out discussion about the night actopms not taking into consideration that 1. Scum apparently roleblocked geript 2. Toad claimed 1-shot-cop and didn't have to keep getting roleblocked to survive And the conclusion seems completely unrelated to what she just said. Really, zero point in mentioning all that stuff since she says herself it could have been with both Cav scum or town. The conclusion I get is that it's a lot of fluff without even having the facts straight. | ||
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Page 47. I have to leave but will be back later (hopefully in a few hours). Right now I'd probably lynch Mocsta, runner up would be TheChyz. Ange777 Germany. February 28 2014 05:28. (to suki's town atmosphere post) Although this thread is incredibly hard to follow with all the spamming, most of it seems really useful (especially after day 1). I believe that this day 1 has been productive (besides Toad and geript going at each other) in giving us a lot to work with. Why are you complaining? Ange777 Germany. February 28 2014 06:33 Can we forget geript please? His filter is a complete mess but I am not convinced that he is more scummy than suki or Mocsta or Chyz. What happenend to him by the way, anyone still willing to lynch him? I am not sure about Vivax. That claim is just so unnecessecary. Now tell me, where does she EVER say what she finds scummy about suki? All I see is that she added her at a time when she became a lynch candidate due to gum, HF, WoS and rayn voting for her. She doesn't care that she pushed TheChyz the most, just like she did. She asks her a question (and that's all she does with suki) about the post that is the very reason she got lynched. She felt like agreeing with WoS case on me, why doesn't she agree with Holyflares on suki? | ||
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Especially when you lack time to play you are forced to do so cause you wouldn't be able to handle the pressure deriving from not doing that. My main issue is that -as already mentioned- you suspected Mocsta and Chyz and made it clear in your posts. You didn't make it clear that you suspected suki until the top townies were on her. You didn't do three things: 1. Discuss the likelihood that suki would bus a scum Chyz like that. 2. Prioritize your scumreads over your townreads' scumread. 3. Say what was scummy about suki. You attacked Moc for asking questions about suki when he previously townread her. You attacked another guy for a "legitimate question" suki asked. You mentioned something about a gumshoe suki matter towards another. The only time you actually spoke to suki you simply disagreed with her on the town atmosphere thing. Which is what got her lynched. So I don't see the reasons for you thinking suki was scummy, if your reaction to the post getting her lynched was limited to disagreeing with it and not calling it out. But maybe you can explain what you found scummy in retrospect. | ||
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On March 05 2014 06:31 Holyflare wrote: People voting for ange are dumb. Why is geript saying things like "lets look for scum other than ange"? That's just asking people to make other people look scummy and a silly attempt to make him look like he put effort in if she flips green. ##vote geript Vivax be making me sad bro Or maybe he just means what he says...? | ||
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On March 05 2014 06:46 Holyflare wrote: You literally go from thinking he's scummy to then making reasons why ange is scum. Like wth dude pick one. There's ange who sheeped her town reads onto suki, much like some other townies that are dead and there's geript who tunneled toad all day, town read mocsta, said suki was a good lynch even though my case was unreadable and rayn said 0 things about his vote but then didn't try and save his town read. Then he completely 180s his toad read at night, then wants a cop lynched even after the cop claim. Sets me up to be lynched at lylo despite there being role confirmed ppl alive and then votes ange but doesn't want to say she's scum but instead try and fake false reads on others in the case she flips green...? You could also look at the bright side. If I didn't suspect ange7 she wouldn't have posted, that's my bet. You think this "pop out when people talk about you"-pattern is particularly townie? Sure, geript did scummy stuff. I mentioned enough myself, but he posts of his own volition, tries to get the shit he cares about going. And hey, he even posts when he doesn't have to. What's the deal with him wanting to lynch Cava over JarJar so badly? | ||
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Now that what's left are all townreads, can you tell me who we should lynch in your opinion? (Your own opinion) | ||
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Hence, wading through all the game finding the last scum. And being readable enough for the other townie to realize that you're town? Cause if you can't think of that possibility, it might objectively not bad if we lynch you before lylo, no offense but I don't think scum would want to kill you cause of the low impact you have on the game due to the lack of time you have. And if you're town vs let's say gumshoe (obviously cause vet claim) and Chyz or geript. Who will gumshoe choose? Who would you choose? I would have no clue to be honest. | ||
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Did you play with sciberbia, WoS? i was with him on scum and he won the game for us, simply cause he said what people wanted to hear, cause his posts looked so clean, so thought out, he wasn't posting regularly, he only came in when it mattered to do that. | ||
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On March 06 2014 06:04 Holyflare wrote: He's hard defending himself and not pushing another lynch. He has feels for a you lynch but doesn't elaborate why. What is he doing...? Nothing really. He says if we don't vote ange for lylo reasons we're bad but then.. Doesn't vote ange? I can't really get my head around what his play is here as either alignment. And none of what you just said is an argument for him being scum. You make a summary of what you don't like about his play. | ||
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What made you stand out as scummy for Toad? Nothing, really. Cause he hid it under his geript tunnel, most people read him as town through D1, myself included. Suki hid behind her polished cases and I'm surprised that she actually got caught as scum for a post on town atmosphere.. Ange777 is another one, polished, unopinionated, doesn't start fights, writes stuff when she has to. Geript is a mix of Bud Spencer and I don't know what. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:26 Ange777 wrote: I'm also not too sure about geript. If JJD is not the last scum, I'll go back to re-read his filter to see if I would change my mind but for now he is a lesser sure town read. 2 days later: On March 05 2014 06:27 Ange777 wrote: I haven't had time to properly read any filters but I will try to re-read geript and WoS tomorrow, maybe I need to rethink my read on Chyz as well. I'll be here for another ~30 minutes so if anyone wants to address something directly to me, please do so. On March 05 2014 07:05 Ange777 wrote: Probably geript. Or WoS? I really need to re-read their filters before making a final choice but off the top of my head it'd be one of them. I intended to give geript's filter another go yesterday too but haven't had the time yet. When everybody was jumping on geript...Bam. You come back and made up your mind, it had to be geript. Where are your conclusions about the other two? I'm not buying this martyr. | ||
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On March 06 2014 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Finally something that makes sense :o I'm just misunderstood | ||
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When you asked her about a read she said she has to reread. Other things I notice and confronted with suki's and Toads play; The frequent mentioning of their time restrictions, or asking other people to ask them questions while they're here, even Toad did that. She also talks a lot about "I'm gonna do this, gonna do that", same with suki. | ||
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Suki : "Gonna do this and that before I gotta go" "Preparing a case, if you got any questions ask them". Ange7: On February 28 2014 07:04 Ange777 wrote: Guys, I'm leaving now. Might have another look before I fall asleep but I won't be there for deadline. If there is anything I need to address, tell me now. On March 05 2014 06:27 Ange777 wrote: I haven't had time to properly read any filters but I will try to re-read geript and WoS tomorrow, maybe I need to rethink my read on Chyz as well. I'll be here for another ~30 minutes so if anyone wants to address something directly to me, please do so. On March 05 2014 07:08 Ange777 wrote: I've got to go now but I'll have more time tomorrow. This is most interesting for my future scumtells if she's indeed scum as I believe. | ||
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Did you see Mocsta saying he wouldn't be there at deadline? That guy almost lost his job for this game and it's not like he made such a big fuzz about it all the time except when he felt unjustly pressured and ragequit. He simply said what he had to say without constantly feeling like he has to explain why he couldn't be there like, all the time. | ||
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But I gotta admit that I'm feeling quite confident with my guess atm. | ||
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Can we end the game for real now pls. 1 more vote. If I'm wrong I'll die anyway since I'm the only confirmed guy around here. I've also checked Ange7's games and I must agree that she talks a lot about the last stuff she mentioned. But the opportunism in choosing her lynch without even trying to reconsider the other reads during the last two days jumps right into your eye. | ||
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Then either gum, Chyz, WoS/HF Geript, who would you lynch in such a situation? The supertownie who stays alive until lylo, the guy who wasn't on suki or the only defensive role in this game? | ||
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I figure Chyz would die in that scenario, if WoS or HF are scum we already lost. | ||
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If he's scum I'll nominate him for best 2014 | ||
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On March 06 2014 08:27 TheChyz wrote: This whole thing is annoying now. Like ange martyring just because she was under a bit of pressure is really weird. It seems like a very noobie thing (something that I might do) since it just seems more like lazyness of not wanting to play instead of actually trying to help town. But on the flip side geript has been disrupting town with his stupid posts. I really dunno if geript is a better lynch than ange but either way, both are just becoming a liability towards town. However I will keep my vote on geript just because I still think that he's the more scummy of the 2 and also much more disruptive to town. How can you contradict yourself so quickly. | ||
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I'm telling you this cause you won't leave this game alive anyway. If HF/Wos and gum are alive with you at endgame I think they should lynch you cause that would finally verify the theory that scum didn't bus, and I'm pretty sure that's how it will end if the game doesn't end in 15 minutes. | ||
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On March 06 2014 12:59 gumshoe wrote: I still wanna lynch Geript tommorow if thats ok / : pretty sad we wasted one of your last two lynches on Ange, but whateves, ill probally just have to settle this all at lylo T_T Vivax, care to comment some more before death. Yea, was right with my last posts about geript and wrong on ange7, tbh I was also sure cause of another reason (missing rplmnt) but didn't want to say it in the thread cause I wasn't sure it was an allowed reason. Not that it matters now. I can only believe you are vet cause else the role distribution would seem imbalanced. Off the bat I would lynch Chyz cause it would finally get the suki bus theory out of the way or confirm it. I made a mistake in not wanting to confirm it earlier. Noteworthy is however that HF didn't try to keep pressuring on that point, now it will remain a mistery until it's too late, and that's only comfortable for him if he's scum. We're left in the dark not knowing if suki didn't get bussed. More later. | ||
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I'd probably still lynch Chyz at lylo tho, if HF is scum and wins the game he deserved it and I wouldn't be as butthurt as if we mislynched him over Chyz. | ||
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That's precisely why he says that, your loaded question doesn't look very good. | ||
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Just lynch this guy and if we lose to WoS, HF or gum then all I have to say is well played, was fun. | ||
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Look at what happens between these two posts and evaluate if WoS could be scum after saying what he said about suki. He was aware of your arguments but basically posted about everything else until my claim and his vote. Pls save town with sick skillz. On February 26 2014 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Phoneposting: So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail? Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it. Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning? I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on. I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key. Also I might lynch JJD. On February 28 2014 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote: SO much WIFOM here. Fucking claim. ##Unvote ##Vote: Suki It's entirely possible I'm getting herded here, but I don't have much choice as I'm almost out of time (save for the odd phonepost MAYBE). At the very least Rayn/HF are on it so I feel ok. | ||
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