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On February 27 2014 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 21:10 Vivax wrote:
Rayn tell me more about this moconfirmation stuff. It seems like horseshit to me. Also, I'm disappointed.
Mocsta, you had a chyz, rayn and HF scumread back in ur list post. Now it's all Chyz and me when the votes seem to swing in my direction, one of them being one of your feel scumreads (fuck those feelreads).
Post reasoning for me being scum. Mocsta makes a post that he knows will raise a question to me that cannot possibly be answered. I know there is like 99% chance mods have told him they will not give him town for his request but it's still a possiblilty that will always be nakking at my back and it's a fucking cheap thing to do as scum. Like if someone says "if you don't believe i am town now i will never play a game with you again". I don't like it so i just consider him town and i don't care what anyone thinks about it.
Why is this true exactly?
I know I personally would not honour any requests like this.
Also rayn I'm assuming you finally got around to reading my case?
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On February 27 2014 22:20 Vivax wrote:If his meta wasn't so different from GSL I'd be still thinking that gum is scum. The post where he comes in to "moderate" between you and suki just feels super wrong. Also Moc you're pretty prickly for a normal question, but let me go into detail. Everyone was bantering, fake miller claims, harry potter. Off the bat townreads, you and geript were the most serious guys during that phase, geript for Toad's townread, you for suki's posting. Anyway, you commented on WoS post reading suki as town cause feels saying Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote:February 26 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 26 2014 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I coached Cavalinho in the last (ongoing) newbie game so no explanations yet. Cool beans, alright. Suki town 'cause feels. The rest of you, why aren't you as good at proving yourselves as her? Don't make me log onto a comp wave I was hoping we. Would both be town... Sigh Now before i go off the rails. Is the above truth or sarcasm? WoS says it's not sarcasm, ie town read serious. Next post you somehow manage to get the illusion that you are wave's scumread Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:05 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn
Do u thibk its plausible for a town wave to infer I am a scum read already? How do you explain that? I think it's telling that at such a stage you are already so much into lynch politics, going as far as to imagine people scumreading you when they didn't say anything. But maybe you can explain where you got that illusion. Going on with the fullgame reread in the meantime. [/B]
SOrry Vivax, already explained this one.
It was this post:
On February 26 2014 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote:February 26 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 26 2014 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I coached Cavalinho in the last (ongoing) newbie game so no explanations yet. Cool beans, alright. Suki town 'cause feels. The rest of you, why aren't you as good at proving yourselves as her? Don't make me log onto a comp wave I was hoping we. Would both be town... Sigh Now before i go off the rails. Is the above truth or sarcasm? You sure you don't mean </b>? I was about to ask how that could be construed as sarcasm but then I read it again. No, it's not sarcasm. [/B]
And I explained it here, though Mocsta you never really confirmed this was what it was. Did I have the right of it?
On February 26 2014 10:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta i don't see where Wave implies you are mafia. The only thing it could be is my subtle joke at his PYP: LoL scumslip of using QT tags in thread. How he takes that as me implying he is scum and then furthering the suspicion across like three posts is beyond me. In fact, there should be no way anyone else picks up on that, especially people who weren't in that game. (Maybe why he asked you, but still, really subtle.)
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On February 27 2014 22:31 Mocsta wrote:
ninja'd me wave. indeed you did.
Much like my question to Geript (about you), I used that post towards Rayn.
Frankly, I was suspect of you at that time (for defending Suki), so the question was a win-win for me.
Except I seem to also remember you simply backing down, saying:
On February 26 2014 10:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta i don't see where Wave implies you are mafia. This is correct, my bad.
Why no mention of the 'implied' scum in that post earlier? Surely you could have said it was because of that post? (It was jest in the end I suppose, btw.)
On February 27 2014 22:29 Vivax wrote:Rayn put your vote off of me, you're better than that. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 11:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.
Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightestGumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD. Scum slip? Are you now copying your early case on DP from vengeful? You criticise Wave for saying some silly nonsense and saying if you're town why do that because it doesn't solve gumshoe's alignment or anything. Yet, same page of filter here you are saying nonsense to JJD who is bringing up points on other players. By your own reasoning townies shouldn't do that so why the change of heart so soon? Or are you sticking to what you said? "TOWN" don't do that! Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily come from scum, you know that. I do want to hear Mocsta's response though. ##Vote: gumshoe This vote doesn't make any sense, unless WoS explains exactly what made him suspicious of gumshoe at the time, cause the explanation is lacking in his filter. He only says gum should deliver a not meta explanation.
Explanation: thought he looked scummy, voted him.
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On February 27 2014 22:37 Vivax wrote:
What made you think he looked scummy, wave. That's the point of the question. Was it his post about Moc and suki, or the followup?
Was a buildup. Eventually I saw enough that I felt like voting him.
Right off the bat I found him suspicious, you can see it in my filter.
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On February 27 2014 22:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 22:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 22:37 Vivax wrote:
What made you think he looked scummy, wave. That's the point of the question. Was it his post about Moc and suki, or the followup? Was a buildup. Eventually I saw enough that I felt like voting him. Right off the bat I found him suspicious, you can see it in my filter. Dude, you keep not saying anything. If you found him suspicious, there must have been a reason. What was the reason? Don't say feels.
On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing. Which is. Crating an atmosphere of intimidation If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? Just establishing my dominance, honey. Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy.
On February 26 2014 10:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:29 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing. Which is. Crating an atmosphere of intimidation If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? Just establishing my dominance, honey. Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment. I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. That depends entirely on you people : P yall have to be worth my time. Also my lurking has nothing to do with my alignment, I lurk and play as scum or town, you asking wether or not I will adds nothing to the great discussion. Both you and Mocsta assume I was asking you to try to help me figure out your alignment. You even say it after I already TOLD Mocsta it was simply to find out whether you were going to play or not this time around. Any particular reason you find it necessary to repeat? Holyflare, I like to live on the edge. Let's volcano it up. Will anyone else be joining us on our journey? That road looks mighty empty.
On February 26 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.
WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. This reads exactly like your post on Mocsta and I don't like it. Do you always base your reads entirely on their most recent game? (Speaking of which, don't talk about ongoing games). Toad I actually did follow Geript's thought process to some degree. And I actually had no idea about the miller stuff until you just mentioned it. If you're sticking around Toad I can discuss with you a little.
On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options.
Bunch of posts I didn't like.
Eventually I decided I just felt like voting him.
You appear to be basing my vote on the post where I say I want to see something more from him.
You can call the vote whatever you like I suppose, pressure to make him post something non-meta-y, feels, a bunch of bad posts and all of I sudden I just realized I should vote him...but in the end it doesn't really matter to me what you think of that gumshoe vote.
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On February 27 2014 22:43 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 17:19 Vivax wrote:Mocsta
Vivax
Does this mean you think I am town?
Not yet, but it's the scenario where a scum gumshoe is most likely to act that way imo. There's always the chance that suki is also scum (and gum picks your side and throws some soft suspicion onto suki to gain cred). I don't think that a scum gumshoe would act that way if you were scum though. *snip* I find this post curious. I asked my question in the first place because: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:<About Gumshoe> That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1. The entire premise of Vivax argument is based on Suki + Mocsta = town. Yet when queried about me being town I get "Not yet" with some nice doors opening to move onto Suki too. Which again conquers his gumshoe is scum argument. WoS, i cant remember ya case; did you touch on this stuff?
I did not.
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On February 27 2014 22:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment. And later you say Show nested quote +
In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.
Which I already addressed earlier stating that gumshoe actually did consider all options, which you say is townie, and I say is scummy cause of the way he did it.
I actually did think about that when you presented it. I disagree that all options were presented as I mentioned myself (again, he only has options that paint her in a bad light there) but the presenting of options in general is what you find scummy. I can actually agree with that to some degree, but in what scenario does scum gumshoe provide outs?
In fact, gumshoe IS offering the alternate scenario where suki isn't scum, and offering her the explanations for her behaviour in that case, hence WoS is actually stating the contrary to what I stated. He says town should be considering all options, I say if you find somebody scummy you don't call it out and then put an explanation out there that the accused can use against your own argument.
You say this---the only scenario then to me in which the above makes sense is if they're both scum together. Are you making preflip associations in your case, Vivax?
On February 27 2014 22:56 Vivax wrote:
Especially because of the first quote I'm not buying your suspicion of gumshoe, and the way you abandoned your vote on him so easily, and how you didn't poke him when he said he had stuff he didn't want to share at the moment, and and and
I abandoned my vote on him easily? Did you read the thread Vivax?
lol.
I think I may be just about done trying to justify myself---I don't see the value in proving myself to scum especially when I don't think anyone else in the thread sees what you do in that something was 'wrong' with my gumshoe suspicion.
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On February 27 2014 22:59 Vivax wrote:
Wave asks gum if he should policy lynch him for lurking 2 minutes after he posted something that Wave said to be not alignment indicative.
Later Wave touches upon the same post to say what's scummy about it.
WHere the fuck are you coming up with this shit?
You're doing it again---nitpicking random shit in my filter to attempt to make me look bad when none of it does.
I already explained why I asked that question to gumshoe AND rayn multiple times.
Done explaining myself to you, Vivax.
Toad, please just leave modconfirmation shit out of this and vote Vivax with me.
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On February 27 2014 23:14 Vivax wrote:
It goes on that the way WoS treated gum throughout his "suspicion" is not townie.
Calls him out for lurking, says the post said nothing about gum's alignment, later touches upon that same post to say that town should consider all options.
Asks gumshoe for metaless case, gumshoe doesn't deliver. WoS doesn't care that gumshoe doesn't want to share information, and says that he starts to lean sloppy town on gumshoe, yet keeps his vote on him.
LOL
You're so fucking REDACTED.
I DIDN'T CALL HIM OUT FOR LURKING.
I ASKED HIM IF HE WAS GOING TO LURK.
YOU AREN'T READING THE THREAD, AND NITPICKING WHAT YOU WANT TO MAKE ME LOOK BAD TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK BETTER>
If you read the thread at all around Rayn/gumshoe/me you would KNOW this.
You all need to vote Vivax right now.
I have shown in my case that his thinking is not indicative of a townie mindset, and he continues to attempt to shit on me through half-assed attempts to call me scum which don't even hold water because he hasn't bothered to read.
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On February 27 2014 23:18 Holyflare wrote:
wave wanna chat about the vivax stuff now?
I don't know what else there is to chat about.
Guy is super obvscum.
Did you read what's been going down over the last few pages?
Anything to say about it?
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I'm actually really enjoying this Ange catchup.
Provides sort of a fresh perspective on things.
Now I can actually have a reason other than pregame not to vote her.
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On February 27 2014 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:22 Holyflare wrote:On February 27 2014 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Mocsta found a way to perfectly deflect my case. There is nothing i can do about it.  stop the wifom of your mind, that post meant nothing and it's actually more likely to modconfirm him scum than town No i don't really want to. You all can lynch Mocsta if you want to. My game was ruined D1 and i don't care.
Rayn the fuck are you talking about?
If you're going to ignore the modconfirmation shit just ignore it.
Are you honestly just going to give up now? Is it because you're playing in that other game too?
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Phoneposting
I'm curious vivax.
What is it you would say you're doing right now?
Also wtf is with the votes right now?
Its like 3h to deadline and there is zero consolidation.
Going to be home in a bit them I'm going to yell at people until I'm gone before deadline
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On February 28 2014 05:49 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In GSL BH actually did promise Mocsta to roll him town and didn't (because what's the point of hydraing if you are scum?!?).
So either Mocsta has requested the same thing again and didnt' get it or he is modconfirming himself as town in which case he should be modkilled. Page 58. Why would Mocsta be modconfirmed town based on that comment??
He's not.
Alright I've got the next hour or so.
People pushing solo-vote lynches right now need to ask yourselves: have you gained any traction with your case?
Are you truly going to gain any in the next few hours?
Right now what we have is the perfect scum deadline atmosphere. There is no clear town leader (and as confident as I've been this game I don't tend to fill that position particularly often) and votes are spread out so thinly scum can essentially move wherever they want and lynch whoever they want today. On top of that, we will learn absolutely nothing on flip (ie voting analysis will be basically useless) aside from that person's alignment if everyone stays on the current path. Is that what town wants?
We need to figure out 2-3 MOST LIKELY lynch candidates.
Preferably before I leave.
As it stands off the top of my head I want to say Mocsta/suki/Vivax.
You all need to decide where these three fit into your current reads and decide what you want out of the day, and whether you want to hand this lynch to scum or not, as geript seems rife to do.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm pretty damn sure geript is town but considering how horrible his play has been recently I can honestly say I wouldn't mind a policy, but only as last resort. TL needs to be punishing this shit way more often than it does.
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On February 28 2014 05:57 Holyflare wrote:
is geript not coming back before deadline?
He might but he's made it extremely clear that he's throwing his vote away now and for the foreseeable future (with some possible movement to suki or some shit?)
JJD: I'll read it, but I can't say I'm going to be supporting a gumshoe lynch at this time.
Vivax, you haven't answered my question.
What is it you would say you've been doing for the past few hours?
I may open the floor to this question to other people. Maybe not Holy though.
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On February 28 2014 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:##vote GumshoeFirst off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:More similarities between GSL and this game On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will. gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. Then why did you ask me to find the post? Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies. On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote:
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
Off the bat JJD I disagree. I've seen gumshoe as confident as you say he can't possibly be---and then you say his confidence is similar to GSL in which he was scum?
I believe it was Persona (fucking horrible game for me) where he was just as confident and was town. You're contradicting yourself as well if you're saying he couldn't be this confident as town and then point out his high confidence in a scumgame.
And what you're calling misrepresenting doesn't really have much of a scum agenda behind it imo.
I think there's a little too much preflip association as well going on between the two of you, especially from gumshoe's side and it's bad---reeks more of confirmation bias than anything to me.
I'm not ruling out the possibility that either one of you is scum right now, but based on what I've seen I don't think I'd be remiss to think this could very well be town-on-town. In either case I am not convinced to vote either of you one way or another, and I highly doubt anyone else will be at this point.
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On February 28 2014 06:03 Vivax wrote:
Hey WoS how sure are you from 1 to 10 that I'm scum?
Oo look at you, you smart scummer you.
Jumping immediately on my 'lack of confidence' in being a town leader.
I'm not marv, and I don't give out 100% reads. There's always a chance I could be wrong, but I feel pretty damn f-ing good.
I'd go 8 right now, and that's certainly more than I'd give to any other lynch right now.
You going to answer my question?
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On February 28 2014 06:04 Vivax wrote:
Also to answer your question first: I've been playing the game.
Ah so you did.
And as town, what does 'playing the game,' entail?
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On February 28 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:i'd be happy with vivax/suki lynch so whatevs is cool, vivax aint been doing shit but asking people for their reads for the past few hours: + Show Spoiler +On February 28 2014 03:18 Holyflare wrote:Vivax i'm reading your filter and looking at everything you've posted about mocsta, it all leads to "he's playing passive" with no real push and therefore you've classified him as scum, I see no real push yourself on mocsta, no real basis for pushing this read over everyone else in the game that has been pushed. You've questioned him sure but no proper conclusions were drawn, no attempt to rationalise whether what he was doing was coming from a towny standpoint or a scummy one. Gumshoe took a stance that mocsta's play was town mocsta, whereas you took the stance to mean that it's scum mocsta but then you criticise gumshoe for coming to a conclusion on his play like you have also done. Even now, the town atmosphere seems to be on top of you and you're directing people mocsta's way and getting THEM to explain it rather than saving yourself by pointing out exactly what makes him scum. Even now you're trying to make me elaborate on things that i've already elaborated on.
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Also, I don't think I'm going to be voting you today. Aside from all the nitpicking, nobody really seems to be going out of their way to defend you and it seems like you're way to easy to lynch if someone decided to push really hard.
caval, vivax only has 3 votes on him with 6 hours left in the day, in no way is that indicative of a lynch on a towny and the lack of defence on him is not indicative either, look specifically at his play rather than what other people are doing because i have seen people defend him earlier on in the thread and when people that look towny rayn/wos/me start posting our intentions on possible vivax lynches then that is where you look for people that sheep after we state our stances this in particular
Damn it Holy that's why I said not youuuuuu
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