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Also what magical anarchy hosts are these 0_o they sound unreasonably cruel and somewhat dense.
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Anyways, best not to discuss blue roles at all, sorry for bringing it up, I'm off to bed as well.
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On February 28 2014 13:27 Holyflare wrote:
can i sit back and let you guys solve the game instead? x_x
aannnnd I'm up again, I feel it's safe to assume those on the train that lynched Suki are all town,
Holyflare raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777,
In a lynch that close its retarded to pick a townie over your own team mate, especially when that team mate is gf. Mocsta is town, I dont see thier early interactions as scum on scum. Chyz is town because Suki attempted to set him up in the same way she did in her newbie game with him, she felt confident she could lynch him because shed done it before.
Geript and Toad are dumb. But town, they both could have saved Suki by switching onto Moc, Toad especially had a moc scum read in place, it would have been the easiest thing thing in the world for him to switch.
That leaves Cavalinho, Jar and Vivax. Theres two scum out of these three. probs vivax and jar. ANNNND thats a wrap, scum can concede now, we win gggggggggg.
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On February 28 2014 13:49 Aquanim wrote:
From the OP:
Please do not discuss the possibility of mafia conceding in the thread. If mafia want to concede, they'll let me know.
Sorry ) : didn't see that. I retract my statement.
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With a lynch this close, I'm pretty sure mafia fought the Suki kill with everything they had.
Would also like to add toad to the list of suspects, didn't see that he switched last second. God I really don't want Geript to be right T-T. Basically if a miracle happens tommorow and vivaxes shot goes through we should lynch jar, other wise we deal with V. And then we just see where that leads us, probs to victory.
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On February 28 2014 14:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Especially after Mocsta's vote did not end up on suki but he was here.
Then why bus Suki in the first place? Why would scum arrange a lynch to be between scum ) : the only way we lose here Rayn is if we defeat ourselves, lets not do that.
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On February 28 2014 14:12 Holyflare wrote:The only thing that worries me about mocsta is that he got into a shit fest with dp and argued all of day 1 on voice and they were both scum  but if both mocsta and suki are scum then they were switching off suki to do what..? just save the gf over a goon or something?
Voice is totally diffrent, in a way scum can be a lot more strategic, because they can watch a strategy play out fast, you know this : P. Theres zero commitment, harder to have the will to do so in a game that goes on for weeks potentially.
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On February 28 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:12 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 14:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Especially after Mocsta's vote did not end up on suki but he was here. Then why bus Suki in the first place? Why would scum arrange a lynch to be between scum ) : the only way we lose here Rayn is if we defeat ourselves, lets not do that. Mocsta called all his fucking scumteam scum on D1 @ LXIV.
Thats... great? Do you have a specific context on that? Did he initiate the allegations or sheep?
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I mean, Rayn, your the guy with the harder position here, you need to convince me that Moc is playing sub optimally this game, I want diagrams, I want charts!
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On February 28 2014 14:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 28 2014 14:12 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 14:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Especially after Mocsta's vote did not end up on suki but he was here. Then why bus Suki in the first place? Why would scum arrange a lynch to be between scum ) : the only way we lose here Rayn is if we defeat ourselves, lets not do that. Mocsta called all his fucking scumteam scum on D1 @ LXIV. That's a lie In lxiv I was town In lxiv restart I only called buddies scum if Ppl I was close to was on them. Like your he did this once thing is annoying and completely is devoid of context U could argue I was wishy washy o. Suki because because IMA goon Or u could argue I was wishy washy on suki because everyone shit on me and called me scum resulting in a lack of confidence in my read I mean i dont het you at all rayn, if town but we can talk post game So much of how u r playing regarding me reminds me of GoT... Sigh I'm trying my hardest not to take it personal with my read on u, but u r making it difficult
Hes obviously town, no way scum rayn would just carelessly leave his vote on Suki at a time when her lynch is at all possible. Best move would be to stay the course, continue to discredit me, lynch you, easy day 1, hes done it before and he would have done it again if he was scum, but hes not, end of story,.
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On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to.
I guess? Are you telling me mafia allowed the lynch to be between two scum? Eh.
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On February 28 2014 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:20 Cavalinho wrote:On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. Yes, but do you honestly believe that Mocsta and suki, both being mafia, would turn around and both be the highest votes of the day? That's what happens if you bus because people talk only about you. Remember that if Vivax hadn't claimed blue he would have most likely get lynched.
He didnt just claim blue, he claimed vig, the only roll capable of proving its loyalty, it's like someone getting away with murder because they claim they're the second coming of christ and therefore they can do no wrong. Sadly I doubt any hopeful lepers will be cured this game.
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On February 28 2014 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:23 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. I guess? Are you telling me mafia allowed the lynch to be between two scum? Eh. This has happened in the Quiet game where the lynch was between Mr.Cheesecake and Corazon on D1. Also in NMM where we piled on zarepath and when he fakeclaimed we decided to lynch Balla. It's not that black and white, it depends on the stiuation and what actually happened and if scum can or can't do anything about it. Now i actually do shut up and go do the read so i even know what i am talking about. 
Oks ( : (btw you should be tl mafias official historian.)
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On February 28 2014 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i have read SMB D1 and maybe geript is right and Toadesstern is mafia. In that game he actually cares about the lynch and discusses different possibilities with multiple people, in this game he doesn't give a flying fuck about the lynch.
Yeah, Toads last minute switch to Moc is awful, didn't see it at first, but there it is. Also you find me scary? I'll take that as a compliment : P
You may have been right all along Geript ) : well see.
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On February 28 2014 16:31 geript wrote:
Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now.
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On February 28 2014 16:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe is probably town too.
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On February 28 2014 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:28 geript wrote:On February 28 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No no no no Cavalinho, you don't lynch your scumbuddy on D1 if you can avoid it. Lynching mafia D1 is far worse for scum than even all scum hard defending that said mafia. I disagree, but like that sort of damage control needs to be done way earlier. Exactly, that's why lynching mafia on D1 as scum is terrible. It confirms too much when you look at early D1 reads. It's the worst position you can ever be as mafia.
This, thats why I personally feel the game is so won right now, if scum had the power to get Mocsta lynched, no matter the fall out, that was the move they should have made. The only reason they didnt? They couldn't. 2 of the 4 on Moc are scum almost guaranteed, Vivax will reveal himself tonight, Cava's probs town, Jar is 100 percent scum, and if vax is actually vig we just lynch toad instead of him.
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On February 28 2014 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:35 TheChyz wrote:On February 28 2014 16:31 geript wrote:
Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now. Thanks for calling my post terrible and basically using almost all of the same confirmed townies that I listed aswell. ++ points to you The post is terrible because you basically list what suki has done but you don't end up in any new conclusions. Like everything you concluded has been said already.
Game is solved, cant fault him for not finding anything when theres too little to be found.
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On February 28 2014 21:02 Vivax wrote:Before my claim:
Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"
Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc. Yeah that was basically it. I didn't like a gumshoe/mocsta scum team. But I think I'm back to not liking moc again.
Gumshoe does seem to be scumhunting and I haven't been really crazy about some of Mocstas more recent posts. In Particular: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. Suki reads very town to me. Then when neither of us look like were getting lynched, he goes onto Chyz(flavour of the hour and who coincidentally enough was Suki's target as well) and when Chyz looks like hes not getting lynched he backs off him to. and finally back onto me. OK. This really seems like a scumslip and then Phony confidence to cover it up. Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game. I also completley agree about the people who feel that the thread atmosphere is bad. This is scummy for two reasons, 1: Saying so is useless and does nothing to help town (its also a good excuse for future lurking/flip flopping). 2: Scum, are the only ones who would have that impression (this game is pretty great so far) because they would be able to know if town is onto any of them or not, if none of town are, then the atmosphere will appear to them to be in thier favour therefore bad. Thats the kind of scum slip I can get behind and it's one both suki and Vivax have made. So yeah, my scum team is primarily Suki and Jar, with Vivax in the wings(much sheep on the case against him). For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
##Vote: Jar Jar Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead.
Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly. Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 03:54 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2014 03:50 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 03:46 Vivax wrote:
No one is willing to lynch geript? Are you reading the thread gum? This still stands. Geript
In the midst of the tl mafia ban list crisis, I asked Geript on team speak "Geript, if tl mafia is incapable of changing to your liking, would you rather just see it all burn to the ground?" his response? "ABSOLUTELY". Having thought about it, I realize that Geript is entirely capable of this level of tunneling on toad for such shoddy reasoning, but as others have pointed out, he knows his own meta / : Geript is my Gumshoe T_T. Down grading to null. We should all just ignore his Toad case so hes forced to talk about other people. We did for at least 24 hours . He choose to ignore his chance and is back at it, hence I am voting it. Now can you do the same as you promised and vote him with me because he claimed mafia? Where did he claim 0_0. and ultimatly I'm just not going to vote for someone I no longer think is scum, today I will lynch (in this order) Jar, vivax and suki. No one else. After my claim:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:08 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2014 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense: On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:##vote GumshoeFirst off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar. On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:More similarities between GSL and this game On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will. gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. Then why did you ask me to find the post? Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies. On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote:
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer. Off the bat JJD I disagree. I've seen gumshoe as confident as you say he can't possibly be---and then you say his confidence is similar to GSL in which he was scum? I believe it was Persona (fucking horrible game for me) where he was just as confident and was town. You're contradicting yourself as well if you're saying he couldn't be this confident as town and then point out his high confidence in a scumgame. And what you're calling misrepresenting doesn't really have much of a scum agenda behind it imo. I think there's a little too much preflip association as well going on between the two of you, especially from gumshoe's side and it's bad---reeks more of confirmation bias than anything to me. I'm not ruling out the possibility that either one of you is scum right now, but based on what I've seen I don't think I'd be remiss to think this could very well be town-on-town. In either case I am not convinced to vote either of you one way or another, and I highly doubt anyone else will be at this point. Oks, I'm totes fine with lynching Suki after this, I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread . Makes me feel pretty certain that Jar was prepping for a red flip on Suki, so yeah I am now confident thier scum together( as opposed to Jar just sheeping her because he knows shes town) and after we lynch suki I can always get Jar via association.##Unovte
##Vote: Suki Gum's reasoning is super dangly. Like, his whole premise throughout time was that suki JJD and me are scum. Before the claim he started attacking me and had suki as last in his lynch order. After the claim, 6 hours later after the post from JJD he uses as reason, he uses it as justification for voting suki, when it was there well before my claim, yet gumshoe only felt like using it after it was clear I was not getting lynched.
You claimed the role that you were the most capable of proving, even though the claim itself means nothing really, it hurts us in no way whatsoever to wait and see what happens with it. Theres nothing wierd about me postponing the push on you just to wait and see about your role, in fact if I was scum, I would want to see you lynched before you got your shot and became confirmed blue, would have at least tried.
As for lynching Suki, I was always down with that, just wanted to see Jar die more because he was actively fighting me at the time. You argue here that after your claim, I consolidated onto Suki and let go of my jar jar lynch, which makes no fucking sense if I'm red. If I was scum, why not just pull a geript and stay on Jar(as in abstain from voting for the two candidates in favour of my own vendetta), a lynch that would never happen. Suki would've been saved / : Moc gets mislynched, and it's not even really my fault, whats not to love?
Oh, why did I get so mad? I dont mind getting mislynched, it's funny, I can give people shit about it months after a game is over. What I really hate is when I know some one is green and I cant stop thier mislynch, I feel I've failed them, all of town and myself. In fact I'm not even that mad about Mocs modkill, cause there was nothing I could do to prevent it XD not my fault in any way whatsoever. But if I failed to convince Rayn day 1, and his vote had been the deciding one on Moc, I woulda been pissed ) : that and your nitpicky ways anger me sometimes Rayn : P
Finally, in general alot of people have been accusing me of gaps in reasoning. Truth is I'm not much of a facts guy, I'll never be the one to point to a mistake and demand an explanation unless I can specifically tie that mistake to a motive. When I play mafia as town, it's all about the existing narratives, they're all there in the thread, vying for my attention and at any moment I might need to go all in on one. Basically I'm looking at this game in a weirder way, which is why often my play can look odd, if not down right scummy.
When I am actually scum though, I instead craft narratives and feed those to the greens, I dont hand out all the existing ones in hopes that they're careless enough to not bother having the conversation that were having right now. This is simply because I enjoy the act of convincing people through lies more than I enjoy having flimsy "town cred", susceptible to the whims of the greens and blues, and gained at the cost of my invaluable allies lives.
There, I've explained myself as sincerley as I can, but theres really not much you can do when the argument agains you is "hes playing too good!" XD I mean, even if I do present a good defence, doesn't that just make me look scummier?
In all seriousness though, this Gumshoe lynch sounds pretty boss, I noticed something else fishy.
Gumshoe on Gumshoe: I dont know if you guys have noticed, but everyone else has treated Vivax's shot as if it's going to go off, but Gumshoe seems extremely hesitant, it's as if he already knows Vivax is getting an rb and is seeding the lynch onto him for tomorrow. Surprised no ones mentioned this.
My proposal for tonights shot is still on Jar, dude started buddying with Suki early on, and then tried to associate me with her as scum because he knew shed flip red. Otherwise theres no reason he would abandon a green read hes had since games start and had defend thoroughly till then. That and this is what Suki had to say about him all game long
My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up.
Bolded part shows critical thinking. I actually thought it was a really clever question.
Like, he's looking at the interactions and reading between the lines, trying to figure out the game.
Posts like these are confident. He doesn't overexplain his reads.
Yeah he just feels to me like he's trying to understand the game. He's being transparent and open with his thoughts, even if he doesn't have high quantity.
Oh and hes been absent since lynch as others have pointed out 0_o seriously guys, if Vax shoots me tonight Jar Jar better be bloody dead by night 3. If we have a dt, I propose they look at Toad, his shoot me claim is null if hes scum, because he will just have the role blocker ping vivax if he thinks hes actually going to get shot.
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