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On February 28 2014 09:22 Vivax wrote:
Yeah, only scum can defend scum. Therefore, you and me and JJD and who else might have defended suki in some way are scum Cavalinho.
You and I both know that a highly polarized lynch like this is only going to tell us that there is likely at least one, maybe two mafia on the Mocsta train.
It may or may not be us, but that's definitely the next place we should look for scum. I was pretty gunshy before tonight, but I'm ready to start making stuff happen.
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On February 28 2014 09:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 09:25 Cavalinho wrote:On February 28 2014 09:22 Vivax wrote:
Yeah, only scum can defend scum. Therefore, you and me and JJD and who else might have defended suki in some way are scum Cavalinho. You and I both know that a highly polarized lynch like this is only going to tell us that there is likely at least one, maybe two mafia on the Mocsta train. It may or may not be us, but that's definitely the next place we should look for scum. I was pretty gunshy before tonight, but I'm ready to start making stuff happen. Except that this isn't correct if Mocsta is mafia.
It's highly unlikely that the mafia is incompetent enough to allow two of their members to be the highest voted players in the game at the end of day 1.
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Honestly, now that the suki/Mocsta deal is over with, I'd be okay with a shot on Toad.
Though geript is still really weird.
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>.>
I should have stuck with the "sheep my strongest townreads" strategy.
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On February 28 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also promised you Holyflare is town.
I know. You and him were my strongest reads.
I just didn't know what to look for and didn't realize that my analysis of suki was actually spot on aside from the fact that I took A instead of B. >.>
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On February 28 2014 13:27 Holyflare wrote:
can i sit back and let you guys solve the game instead? x_x
No, you have to carry us. Win the game pls.
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I am 100% down with the JJD lynch. Even when I was initially lynching suki, I wanted JJD to be the better vote.
Also, I'm not sure why TheChyz would try to pressure me off my vote on suki, but he did that. That was...Odd.
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On February 28 2014 14:05 Mocsta wrote:
Didn't u vote me cav......
Or am I getting confused?
I voted suki to start with and then TheChyz pressured me to change it because apparently it was stupid.
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On February 28 2014 14:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:15 Cavalinho wrote:On February 28 2014 14:05 Mocsta wrote:
Didn't u vote me cav......
Or am I getting confused? I voted suki to start with and then TheChyz pressured me to change it because apparently it was stupid. Well that's not really what happened. You basically called suki town and TheChyz asked why your vote is still on suki.
I said suki was probably town and I didn't understand why suki was being voted by my stronger townreads, so I initially decided that sheeping my stronger townreads was the better strategy.
Chyz said that was stupid.
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On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to.
Yes, but do you honestly believe that Mocsta and suki, both being mafia, would turn around and both be the highest votes of the day?
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On February 28 2014 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cavalinho's comment on Chyz pressuring him is weird. If there is "pressuring" on his vote on suki it's JJD and not Chyz, Chyz asked a simple question which btw is correct. Other than that, Chyz is really fucking scummy. Like "idk what to do with my vote, plz teammates help me".
One of Cavalinho / TheChyz is scum. I am really sure about it. Like really really sure. I just don't know which one yet. Mocsta gets a free pass for like until close to LYLO because JJD is also friggin scummy. Now it's still possible Mocsta was away, suki was away, and Cav/Chyz didn't know what to do and scum had no chance of pushing to vote into anything but 2 scum on the line, so my theory stands. Possible? Yes. Likely? No. But still possible. Anyways.)
Since when did JDD pressure me? He made a comment about lynching me after saying that he would be a better target than suki. I stand by the fact that I want both JDD and Chyz dead at some point. JDD only became a more apparent lynch as time went on, but I wanted Chyz gone since the start of the game.
The suki lynch was something I just plain wasn't sold on. I admit, it made me look pretty bad, and I made an impulsive move that makes me look worse than it should because I came to the wrong conclusion on my earlier case.
Back to what you were saying, I'd really like to talk a little bit more about TheChyz. I'm actually about to pull up some quotes and stuff from before the flip.
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I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke
On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave 
Let's take a quick look at these two quotes. Chyz said that he didn't mind if suki was lynched, but kept his vote on geript. He then takes credit for the lynch, even though he didn't actually partake.
Compare this to my involvement. My case was supposedly bad, but I switch on the lynch upon realizing that it is and thinking that suki is town and wind up with a vote on the wrong guy. If my vote is on mafia, no less one of his scumreads, why is it that he is trying to get me to vote someone else? Especially when he supposedly wants this person dead in the first place? (Don't forget, this goes for JJD as well. Both of them came up with weird reasons for pushing my vote away, even though Chyz came up with one that's more solid, despite the fact that it was right.)
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On February 28 2014 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Cavalinho i am interested why you read this: Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.
HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two. And yet your vote is in suki.......? ..as "pressuring you into not voting suki", but this: Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 08:49 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 28 2014 08:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Fair enough.
I'm still not entirely sure why rayn and HolyFlare think suki is scummy. The only reason I'm this indecisive is that if my strongest townreads are jumping to take her out, then there might be something to it. I don't see it, and the only people I really want to vote for have almost no votes on them. I think JJD's filter shows that he's trying to contribute, but he's only arguing around in a circle with everyone else.
I think I'm going to have to trust my townreads on this one. ##Vote suki can we lynch this guy? ..is not? ???
Because the JJD comment was nothing more than blatant OMGUS when I mentioned him in that post, whereas Chyz actually came up with a relatively solid counterpoint for what I was doing, despite the fact that my vote was initially in the right place.
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On February 28 2014 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:08 Cavalinho wrote:I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave Let's take a quick look at these two quotes. Chyz said that he didn't mind if suki was lynched, but kept his vote on geript. He then takes credit for the lynch, even though he didn't actually partake. Compare this to my involvement. My case was supposedly bad, but I switch on the lynch upon realizing that it is and thinking that suki is town and wind up with a vote on the wrong guy. If my vote is on mafia, no less one of his scumreads, why is it that he is trying to get me to vote someone else? Especially when he supposedly wants this person dead in the first place? (Don't forget, this goes for JJD as well. Both of them came up with weird reasons for pushing my vote away, even though Chyz came up with one that's more solid, despite the fact that it was right.) Yes that's what i was thinking about aswell as i read the thread. But it does not make sense he did not vote for Mocsta unless Mocsta is mafia too. Like he says he is okay with both suki/Mocsta dying, he is here watching, but does not save his godfather. It makes no sense unless Mocsta is scum too because he could easily just say "fuck i think this lynch is better" and vote for Mocsta with some arbitary bullshit reason.
Yes and no. In a highly polarized lynch like this one, TheChyz stands to lose quite a bit of standing if Mocsta flipped town while suki got out of it and he just came up with a reason to vote Mocsta; this way, he at the very least blends in while not harming the town. Suki was in a position where she was most likely going to get lynched no matter how you try to put it, especially if Mocsta flipped town. I want you to answer this question very honestly: If suki got out of that lynch alive, would you be telling Vivax to shoot her or, at the very least, be pushing hard to get her lynched tomorrow?
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On February 28 2014 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And even if Mocsta is mafia, why would Chyz not vote for one of them? One of them gets lynched 100%, why does Chyz NOT take ACTUAL credit for the lynch by hammering scum? It makes no sense to me and that's why i think he is not mafia.
Again, this just banks on the fact that mafia might actually be incompetent enough to allow two of their three members to be the ones with the highest votecounts for the first day of play, which is highly unlikely.
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On February 28 2014 16:30 TheChyz wrote:
Cava I don't see what your problem is. I call you out on your inability to follow your own reads and only being able to sheep onto others' reads. You cave last minute and now you have the guts to call me out on taking credit for suki's kill and that I'm scum with her. Like you've been on my ass all game making shit arguments saying I don't respond when I have a few times and now when you do something really weak and flippy-floppy to get your vote OFF A GF you have the guts to say that its MY play thats scummy? Piss off.
I never said you were scum with her. I'm saying that the reasoning behind my vote was shitty and the reason you told me my vote was shitty is also shitty because I wound up being completely right in the first place.
It's a big shitastrophe that starts with the fact that my reads were kind of garbage and that my townreads were the strongest things I had to work with.
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And for the record, I absolutely followed my reads. I thought that rayn and HF were stronger townreads that knew something that I didn't. And they did.
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On February 28 2014 16:39 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:36 Cavalinho wrote:
And for the record, I absolutely followed my reads. I thought that rayn and HF were stronger townreads that knew something that I didn't. And they did. Honestly nobody cares. Sheeping is fine and lots of people do it. We want and expect you to get your thought processes out in the thread so we can either lynch the fuck out of you or confirm you as town.
Yeah, but I died for it last game. Hence why I'm so hesitant to do it.
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On February 28 2014 16:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:A wise man (town Emperor) called Palmar once said this: Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:17 Palmar wrote:
But tbh, 90% of skill in mafia is just sheeping the right people. So there's that. Trust it.
Message received. Heading off to bed.
Good luck during the night gentlemen.
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On February 28 2014 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No fuck, i don't think Cavalinho is mafia. The way he handled the lynch thing does not make any sense. Like he goes "i don't think suki is mafia" (reason to vote for Mocsta or anyone else) -> "I'll sheep my townreads on suki" (why would he do this when he said the opposite already) -> "fuck it i wanna kill Mocsta instead" (makes no sense as he's already set on bussing based on the comment before) -> "I am glad i was right!!" (makes ABSOLUTELY no sense as scum because he was not).
Except I wasn't happy I was right. I was wrong. I didn't have solid reads, so I decided that following my strongest townreads would be the best course of action.
Then Chyz called me on it and suki came back and I went, "this probably isn't right."
Except it was, and I nearly lynched the wrong person.
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