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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
March 04 2014 20:07 GMT
#2721
On March 03 2014 01:44 Ange777 wrote:
I don't think Toad's claim on Cav would have resulted in a red check. There is no need to give up the scum roleblocker in a 1-1 trade when you are already down to 2 scum. Cav is a potential lynch candidate. If he is town, lynching him could have given Toad's claim the credibility to survive longer and/or steer the following lynches as long as he claimed that he got roleblocked. If he is scum, Toad could help Cav to survive longer. But I don't think this contradicts my read on Cav as he is my least sure townish read of those 4.


This post is a dragged out discussion about the night actopms not taking into consideration that
1. Scum apparently roleblocked geript
2. Toad claimed 1-shot-cop and didn't have to keep getting roleblocked to survive

And the conclusion seems completely unrelated to what she just said. Really, zero point in mentioning all that stuff since she says herself it could have been with both Cav scum or town.

The conclusion I get is that it's a lot of fluff without even having the facts straight.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
March 04 2014 20:10 GMT
#2722
Geript, you owe me the Cavalinho sheeping. Please put your vote on Ange77 if you didn't already.

##Unvote
##Vote Ange777
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 20:10 GMT
#2723
No wave I'm not baiting you. I don't think it's even useful for reading you. I'm just at a point where it's only townreads alive so I need to figure out who is what and where I went wrong.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 20:15 GMT
#2724
On March 05 2014 05:10 Vivax wrote:
Geript, you owe me the Cavalinho sheeping. Please put your vote on Ange77 if you didn't already.

##Unvote
##Vote Ange777

##unvote
##vote Ange777

That's fine. I can do a Shelvocke policy lynch today, but if that's the agreement I want to make sure that we just pretend that she's town and try to figure out everyone else who's left. If she's scum, aweomse. if not then we'll be able to get a better lynch off tomorrow.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 20:16 GMT
#2725
I've got to take a break to do some stuff for the PYP game that both Wave and HF /outed
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
March 04 2014 20:19 GMT
#2726
Look at Ange's D1 posts. Like, there are multiple instances of her attacking Mocsta for suki related stuff (ie chainsaw defense), calling him scummy multiple times. She pushed Chyz along with suki, and she throws all her own reasoning overboard cause her townreads were on suki, and that was well before the last minute shit started.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 20:21 GMT
#2727
No Vivax. STAHP. If we're policy lynching her, we 're policy lynching her. More reasons don't matter. Reread anyone else.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
March 04 2014 20:22 GMT
#2728
We're NOT policy lynching her. The way she got suki into her scumreads after 1. suspecting the guy suki pushed, 2. suspecting the guy pushing suki isn't transparent, and she calls suki scummy at some point without ever giving a single reason, she called me scummy before the claim "but have to reread his filter". You think she came back after doing that? No, she came back when I claimed.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 20:31 GMT
#2729
Ok you have reasons on her too. That's fine. Like I really don't care. I'd much rather just agree on someone, practically anyone, assume we're going to mislynch and talk about whoever is going to make it to the next day. Like we can policy lynch Ange for 2 page filter, Chyz for not being on suki, me for being too goddamn awesome. I'd mych rather pull a Gonzaw and say "Let's look at X person. Let's assume this person is scum and then ask ourselves why wasn't it obvious earlier." I feel like yesterday we all just phoned it in and I see no reason to allow that today. This way we have like 84 hours to discuss a lynch instead of 48.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
March 04 2014 20:51 GMT
#2730
Ange777 Germany. February 28 2014 00:26.
Page 47. I have to leave but will be back later (hopefully in a few hours). Right now I'd probably lynch Mocsta, runner up would be TheChyz.


Ange777 Germany. February 28 2014 05:28. (to suki's town atmosphere post)

Although this thread is incredibly hard to follow with all the spamming, most of it seems really useful (especially after day 1). I believe that this day 1 has been productive (besides Toad and geript going at each other) in giving us a lot to work with. Why are you complaining?


Ange777 Germany. February 28 2014 06:33
Can we forget geript please? His filter is a complete mess but I am not convinced that he is more scummy than suki or Mocsta or Chyz. What happenend to him by the way, anyone still willing to lynch him?

I am not sure about Vivax. That claim is just so unnecessecary.


Now tell me, where does she EVER say what she finds scummy about suki?
All I see is that she added her at a time when she became a lynch candidate due to gum, HF, WoS and rayn voting for her.

She doesn't care that she pushed TheChyz the most, just like she did.

She asks her a question (and that's all she does with suki) about the post that is the very reason she got lynched.

She felt like agreeing with WoS case on me, why doesn't she agree with Holyflares on suki?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
March 04 2014 20:54 GMT
#2731
Oh and I forgot to include the votecounts around those posts, they will make it clear why suki magically appeared among her scumreads.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-04 20:55:57
March 04 2014 20:54 GMT
#2732
Votecount


TheChyz (0) - gumshoe

geript (1) - gumshoe, Vivax

Ange777 (2) - Vivax, geript

Not Voting - WaveofShadow, Holyflare, Ange777, TheChyz


Ange777 is currently set to be lynched. Day 3 ends in .
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 04 2014 21:23 GMT
#2733
I'm totally fine if you guys want to lynch me because my activity level is incredibly shitty this game. I mean I told you that I'd be very busy. I've done what I could with the limited time I have and if you still think you can't read me and need to policy lynch me go ahead and do it.

But I refuse to get lynched because of your "reasons". Most of these reasons are just a result of me not being able to invest more time into this game (like not posting much or not having any leadership). That post you quoted Vivax was taken totally out of context. I was asked by Holyflare to consider the "red check" in my train of thoughts which is why I answered him at that time. And me voting for suki instead of Mocsta and Chyz without much mentioning her before the vote is another result of me not being able to post all the time whenever I have a new thought. I was trying to catch up completely to be able to cast my vote. While reading, she and Mocsta became my top choices for lynch. And I mean iin the end I even voted for mafia. If you guys really think that I made a 180 degree turn to cast my vote on suki because I wanted to bus her you are wrong. If I was scum why would I even want to bus someone who was more active and probably was going to stay more active in the game than I could ever be???
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 04 2014 21:27 GMT
#2734
I haven't had time to properly read any filters but I will try to re-read geript and WoS tomorrow, maybe I need to rethink my read on Chyz as well. I'll be here for another ~30 minutes so if anyone wants to address something directly to me, please do so.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 04 2014 21:31 GMT
#2735
People voting for ange are dumb. Why is geript saying things like "lets look for scum other than ange"? That's just asking people to make other people look scummy and a silly attempt to make him look like he put effort in if she flips green.

##vote geript


Vivax be making me sad bro
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 04 2014 21:32 GMT
#2736
##vote geript
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
March 04 2014 21:34 GMT
#2737
One of the arguments that keeps showing up is that scum wouldn't bus a godfather when in fact it's precisely this argument that makes bussing your godfather the best play for scum.

Especially when you lack time to play you are forced to do so cause you wouldn't be able to handle the pressure deriving from not doing that.

My main issue is that -as already mentioned- you suspected Mocsta and Chyz and made it clear in your posts. You didn't make it clear that you suspected suki until the top townies were on her.

You didn't do three things:

1. Discuss the likelihood that suki would bus a scum Chyz like that.
2. Prioritize your scumreads over your townreads' scumread.
3. Say what was scummy about suki.

You attacked Moc for asking questions about suki when he previously townread her.
You attacked another guy for a "legitimate question" suki asked.
You mentioned something about a gumshoe suki matter towards another.

The only time you actually spoke to suki you simply disagreed with her on the town atmosphere thing.
Which is what got her lynched.

So I don't see the reasons for you thinking suki was scummy, if your reaction to the post getting her lynched was limited to disagreeing with it and not calling it out.

But maybe you can explain what you found scummy in retrospect.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22247 Posts
March 04 2014 21:40 GMT
#2738
On March 05 2014 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
People voting for ange are dumb. Why is geript saying things like "lets look for scum other than ange"? That's just asking people to make other people look scummy and a silly attempt to make him look like he put effort in if she flips green.

##vote geript


Vivax be making me sad bro


Or maybe he just means what he says...?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 21:43 GMT
#2739
On March 05 2014 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
People voting for ange are dumb. Why is geript saying things like "lets look for scum other than ange"? That's just asking people to make other people look scummy and a silly attempt to make him look like he put effort in if she flips green.

##vote geript


Vivax be making me sad bro

I will respond to this... give me a few hours to properly refute this.
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
March 04 2014 21:44 GMT
#2740
Holyflare had a convincing case, mainly these two posts made me change my mind on suki: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078&currentpage=58#1149
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078&currentpage=83#1656

There was nothing I had read from suki which made me change my mind on her being scummy. Yes, I didn't mention her until close to voting but again, that was because I gave up on commenting everything I was reading because that took far too much time.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
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