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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 04 2014 12:27 GMT
#2681
Yeah I don't know. I can acvtually think of a couple times geript has sort of attempted ballsy plays as scum---is Toad the kind of player to have okayed it from the start?

I don't know that I want to tread down that rabbit hole exactly but it seems as though we may be headed there if we don't win today.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 04 2014 12:31 GMT
#2682
On March 04 2014 21:21 Vivax wrote:
He acts super serious all the time, super confident that he's right, and then he kinda switches to joke pushing him by saying "well think how much fun you could make of me when he flips town".

In the next line he uses a shit argument.

And the last post seems like an illogical post to make from somebody who thinks he's modconfirmed.

Yeah that's another thing. I'm not so sure geript ACTUALLY believes he is modconfirmed. He certainly didn't do this in LXI where he was a hell of a lot closer to actually being so, and other people were talking about it. Doesn't make sense here to try and shove it down everyone's throats when its not true.

And it doesn't seem alignment indicative to me either.

Fuck now I wish I had more time to play during the day today.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 04 2014 12:32 GMT
#2683
On March 04 2014 21:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah I don't know. I can acvtually think of a couple times geript has sort of attempted ballsy plays as scum---is Toad the kind of player to have okayed it from the start?

I don't know that I want to tread down that rabbit hole exactly but it seems as though we may be headed there if we don't win today.


That could be why they attacked each other for so long, toad get angry because of shitty pressure?

Either way chyz, please be scum (( I would like my freedom back.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22168 Posts
March 04 2014 12:38 GMT
#2684
Guys let's lynch geript please.
He refused to take a side in the D1 lynch. Sure, it would look shitty if he joined the wagon on Mocsta together with his scumread, but then why not join the one on suki. He did the same thing TheChyz did (and I only noticed just now)

Read his filter, where does he urge me to shoot Toad? He said it's like JJD/Toad during the night, next day he gives him the super townread to push Cava.

He has one post where he says Toad and Chyz can't be scum together, later asks for a check on him from Cava.

Like, sure he can argue that he just changed his mind that easily over time, I do that too. But the thing about geript is that he doesn't express doubt about his reads. Like, he goes from "x has to be y" to "x has to be z" without really weighing in both sides. He makes decisions on how he should read people.

##Unvote
##Vote geript
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22168 Posts
March 04 2014 12:51 GMT
#2685
But the strongest argument is still that he presented some excuse to not post his town seal.
Of what worth is a town seal if he posts it as scum.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 04 2014 14:31 GMT
#2686
On March 04 2014 21:38 Vivax wrote:
Guys let's lynch geript please.
He refused to take a side in the D1 lynch. Sure, it would look shitty if he joined the wagon on Mocsta together with his scumread, but then why not join the one on suki. He did the same thing TheChyz did (and I only noticed just now)

Read his filter, where does he urge me to shoot Toad? He said it's like JJD/Toad during the night, next day he gives him the super townread to push Cava.

He has one post where he says Toad and Chyz can't be scum together, later asks for a check on him from Cava.

Like, sure he can argue that he just changed his mind that easily over time, I do that too. But the thing about geript is that he doesn't express doubt about his reads. Like, he goes from "x has to be y" to "x has to be z" without really weighing in both sides. He makes decisions on how he should read people.

##Unvote
##Vote geript


I'm with you, another thing to consider if we're dealing with a toad Geript scum team, it explains why they let the shot through, Geript wasn't likely to get shot, and toad clearly thought he wasn't going to be.

But even if the shot goes through, because they bussed so hard, whichever one dies makes the other look great. Which is why they were probably not that scared of the bullet landing. Your totally right though about him suddenly lightening up on toad at night, he even states in passing that Sukis flip makes toad more likely to be town. In fact Geript, why did you thnk that? You never explained your reasoning.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-04 15:09:12
March 04 2014 15:09 GMT
#2687
Votecount


TheChyz (0) - gumshoe

geript (2) - gumshoe, Vivax



Geript is currently set to be lynched. Day 3 ends in .
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
March 04 2014 15:54 GMT
#2688
Is Ange ever going to play this game? Like I understood she was busy day 1 so I gave her a free pass but this is getting ridiculous.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 04 2014 16:43 GMT
#2689
On March 05 2014 00:54 TheChyz wrote:
Is Ange ever going to play this game? Like I understood she was busy day 1 so I gave her a free pass but this is getting ridiculous.


so who do you think is scum...?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22168 Posts
March 04 2014 16:55 GMT
#2690
Might as well ask you the same question dude
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 04 2014 16:56 GMT
#2691
On March 05 2014 01:55 Vivax wrote:
Might as well ask you the same question dude


It was geript until thechyz returned with that super awkward out of the blue ange comment.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 04 2014 17:00 GMT
#2692
I mean look what just happened, we talk about geript for a while and his return says nothing about it but then talks about ange? What's the point of that unless he has a legitimate scum read on her or whatever. It's pretty much doing what geript is doing and looking past the point of lynch to possible other scummy targets for the next day.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 04 2014 17:25 GMT
#2693
On February 28 2014 09:00 Aquanim wrote:
Final Votecount

Mocsta (5) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern, Toadesstern, JarJarDrinks, suki, Cavalinho

geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript, Gumshoe

gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (5) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777,

Vivax (1) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki

Everyone has voted



Suki has been lynched! nightpost shortly.
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!


Just hardcore read geript's filter and some things stick out to me. Other than the totally crazy bs miller thing he called toad out for there are many inconsistencies that he pulls out for toad (like how he doesn't interact right with his top scum reads me/mocsta/geript) but then doesn't use this reasoning to think other people that did this (mocsta etc) were scummy. This change between players mindsets towards people is often an association of scummy selective thinking where you treat buddies more harshly than others etc.

He was town reading mocsta and so couldn't switch off of toad to save suki because of that. Cava brings it up and he comes up with a really weird response:

On February 28 2014 16:26 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 16:22 Cavalinho wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:08 Cavalinho wrote:
I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke


On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:
Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave


Let's take a quick look at these two quotes. Chyz said that he didn't mind if suki was lynched, but kept his vote on geript. He then takes credit for the lynch, even though he didn't actually partake.

Compare this to my involvement. My case was supposedly bad, but I switch on the lynch upon realizing that it is and thinking that suki is town and wind up with a vote on the wrong guy. If my vote is on mafia, no less one of his scumreads, why is it that he is trying to get me to vote someone else? Especially when he supposedly wants this person dead in the first place? (Don't forget, this goes for JJD as well. Both of them came up with weird reasons for pushing my vote away, even though Chyz came up with one that's more solid, despite the fact that it was right.)


Yes that's what i was thinking about aswell as i read the thread. But it does not make sense he did not vote for Mocsta unless Mocsta is mafia too. Like he says he is okay with both suki/Mocsta dying, he is here watching, but does not save his godfather. It makes no sense unless Mocsta is scum too because he could easily just say "fuck i think this lynch is better" and vote for Mocsta with some arbitary bullshit reason.


Yes and no. In a highly polarized lynch like this one, TheChyz stands to lose quite a bit of standing if Mocsta flipped town while suki got out of it and he just came up with a reason to vote Mocsta; this way, he at the very least blends in while not harming the town. Suki was in a position where she was most likely going to get lynched no matter how you try to put it, especially if Mocsta flipped town. I want you to answer this question very honestly: If suki got out of that lynch alive, would you be telling Vivax to shoot her or, at the very least, be pushing hard to get her lynched tomorrow?

No, this is like super wrong. There's no way I'd let Moc die D1 over suki. Like I can be a real asshat but I hate losing more than anything else and my read on Moc has only gotten stronger. Like my reads post a while back was really good. Like it's way, way better to bus than go all in to save unless your only win chance is to all in.


(read the nested bit)


On February 28 2014 03:50 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 03:46 Holyflare wrote:
why you ignore my shit geript

Like how can you not even consider Toad when he gave such a non-read townread on suki based on nothing, has said nothing about her whatsoever, continues to do complete bullshazazzle with his reads. Like I don't get it, that type of shazazzle can't come from town. The only way I'm willing to move to Suki today is if you're willing to lynch Toad tomorrow.


There was also this. As you all know the mocsta lynch was happening (geript had a big town read on mocsta) but he did NOTHING to save mocsta, his town read, over pushing the lynch on suki who he said he would sheep me on.
Couple this with the flip on toad during the night phase (that was mentioned before and was realllyyyy weird when I saw it), "oh this must mean toad is town" was complete bs.

+ all that other crap about setting up mislynches mentioned previously
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 18:19 GMT
#2694
First off, anyone who doesn't think I'm confirmed town should read Duke Nukem Hydra 2 to understand why I'm confirmed town. Holyflare, if you're town making this push then I'm going to get Marv to personally give you a spanking for reading me so badly; unfortunately I think you're town but at this piont I really don't care. Quite frankly, anywho who votes for me better say that i'm too damn good at this game which is why they think I can't be town. If you aren't willing to lynch me for being too good or too accurate then you can get off my nuts. Like I shouldn't even have to explain myself, but since you guys aren't as good as I am, I'll be more than happy to rock your worlds.

On February 26 2014 09:34 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:10 Toadesstern wrote:
suki how's life? Still mafia/jester like the last 3 games? I heard you've got a habbit of rolling mafia


I just claimed Harry Potter if you weren't reading so life is pretty swag. And IRC mafia doesn't count.

So what's the plan this game Toad? Gonna slip up early in Day 1 and give us an easy scum lynch like our last game together?

I flat out didn't think suki was the type of player say that to a scum partner. I was wrong. So yah, I backed off of Toad some. I would like to make the following statement publically in my defense, "I'm sorry town for backing off on Toad. I apologize, I had my dick so deep inside him all day long that I just had to pull it out for a second so it could get some air. I'm so sorry that I wasn't able to convince you will all of my amazing reasonings so that we could have a scum v scum lynch. I really can't help you guys there but you guys should really play in the newbies more often. Getwrekt 4 life bitches!!!!" *stands leaning back arms crossed over chest trying to look like a thug but probably just looking like a cracker*

As for the reasons why I didn't switch off Toad are pretty simple. Toad was my read; I didn't really like HF's reasoning for wanting to lynch suki; I didn't have a read on HF. I would've saved Mocsta only because I had a townread on him and I had nothing on suki and I prefer a lynch on not-town. Plus it didn't hurt that ryan didn't really give a whole lot for voting her so between HF's unreadable push and Rayn's vote I felt pretty confident that suki was an ok lynch.

As for what HF said, you guys are stupid. The miller interaction was a great interaction to call bs on. You guys should've lynched him on that. Or like any of the other things I brought up. You guys are right. I was so goddamn right on Toad and you guys were so goddamn useless in saying that he's totes town. Next time I will spend more time on how how goddamn right and amazing I am and challenged everyone else is not to see it.

So yah, I'm bad for not having a scumread on Suki. I'll take that. But if you guys lynch me for being too right on toad and too right on my reads on Mocsta, JJD, Rayn, gumshoe, Vivax at least two of The Chyz/Ange/WoS. And being so goddamn right on them D1 (JJD might have been a N1 thing to be fair but I count it and you guys were bad sheep for not listenting to me when I was calling him town), then you know I will happily be lynched for that shit. Because that's the funniest shit ever and I'll get the best fun in postgame.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 04 2014 18:24 GMT
#2695
Plus it didn't hurt that ryan didn't really give a whole lot for voting her so between HF's unreadable push and Rayn's vote I felt pretty confident that suki was an ok lynch.


So my unreadable push and rayn's 0 reason vote were enough to be happy with the lynch despite your town read almost dying..?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 04 2014 18:28 GMT
#2696
ITT: geript trying really really hard to be marv and failing.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 18:32 GMT
#2697
On March 05 2014 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
Plus it didn't hurt that ryan didn't really give a whole lot for voting her so between HF's unreadable push and Rayn's vote I felt pretty confident that suki was an ok lynch.


So my unreadable push and rayn's 0 reason vote were enough to be happy with the lynch despite your town read almost dying..?

No. Even if suki came out and claimed GF, even if she was modconfirmed scum. Like even then I'm not sure I would've voted her over keeping my vote on Toad. Toad was my read. One that like all you guys gave a pass on so many times so awfully. Like, I really don't understand why you even think I'm scum. It's so incomprehensible and comical to me. It's just making me smile.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 04 2014 18:35 GMT
#2698
Because i don't think a bus was feasible and only you and chyz aren't on it so unless there's a super scum read on chyz that you want to flip your town read on him on then you are it (not to mention a lot of reasons for it)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 04 2014 18:37 GMT
#2699
(or unless you have a reason for wos/ange)
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 18:51 GMT
#2700
No even after rereading Chyz again, I think he's bad town. Like he's wrong a decent amount, uses bad logic, but the dude is so confident and cocky. Like he makes a really good read here but he just can't believe it:
On February 28 2014 08:24 TheChyz wrote:
Ok so I'm still mostly on the geript track. Nothing he has said has really swayed me away from wanting to lynch him. Nobody has defended him in any way other than saying since he is trying to hard to be so tunnely and not listen to others and his emotion (which can easily be faked) to be him being town. However my argument from before still holds. And even if he is town I think it would be maybe the best mislynch possible since we all know he wont ever change his mind (somebody also quoted him from an irc chat they had with him i believe) and help town unless it goes the way he wants it. He is a parasite to the town, no mater the alignment which is why I think he is still the best lynch target.

Like I'd gladly take the lynch today if you guys promise to never lynch him. That's how firmly I believe in that read.

At this point, I think it's Wave or Ange to me. Like I can't explain it right now other than feels, but I think my read on Wave was bad.
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