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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 18:58 GMT
#2701
As for specific reasons, I don't have anything really solid on Wave right now, I read most if his filter then spent the night playing Video instead of thinking about it. There were two main things that hit me about it early on which I remember: One where he played along with the adventure but said the last time you did it as scum and two where he jumped on gumshoe early. To me, Wave is a Rayn-esque player in regards to mafia where he tries to deflect where/when he can. Right now I think he just realized he couldn't vote on Mocsta and he couldn't not vote on Suki without getting his ass called out majorly. But that's just a "story" read and I need to take a shower and do a full reread of Wave again. Like how he detunneled from Rayn felt really towny to me at the time and Rayn agreed with me. The problem is that I know that Rayn will call people town sometimes when he's unsure of hteir alignment just so that he can get a read on them.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 04 2014 19:02 GMT
#2702
On March 05 2014 03:19 geript wrote:
First off, anyone who doesn't think I'm confirmed town should read Duke Nukem Hydra 2 to understand why I'm confirmed town. Holyflare, if you're town making this push then I'm going to get Marv to personally give you a spanking for reading me so badly; unfortunately I think you're town but at this piont I really don't care. Quite frankly, anywho who votes for me better say that i'm too damn good at this game which is why they think I can't be town. If you aren't willing to lynch me for being too good or too accurate then you can get off my nuts. Like I shouldn't even have to explain myself, but since you guys aren't as good as I am, I'll be more than happy to rock your worlds.

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:34 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:10 Toadesstern wrote:
suki how's life? Still mafia/jester like the last 3 games? I heard you've got a habbit of rolling mafia


I just claimed Harry Potter if you weren't reading so life is pretty swag. And IRC mafia doesn't count.

So what's the plan this game Toad? Gonna slip up early in Day 1 and give us an easy scum lynch like our last game together?

I flat out didn't think suki was the type of player say that to a scum partner. I was wrong. So yah, I backed off of Toad some. I would like to make the following statement publically in my defense, "I'm sorry town for backing off on Toad. I apologize, I had my dick so deep inside him all day long that I just had to pull it out for a second so it could get some air. I'm so sorry that I wasn't able to convince you will all of my amazing reasonings so that we could have a scum v scum lynch. I really can't help you guys there but you guys should really play in the newbies more often. Getwrekt 4 life bitches!!!!" *stands leaning back arms crossed over chest trying to look like a thug but probably just looking like a cracker*

As for the reasons why I didn't switch off Toad are pretty simple. Toad was my read; I didn't really like HF's reasoning for wanting to lynch suki; I didn't have a read on HF. I would've saved Mocsta only because I had a townread on him and I had nothing on suki and I prefer a lynch on not-town. Plus it didn't hurt that ryan didn't really give a whole lot for voting her so between HF's unreadable push and Rayn's vote I felt pretty confident that suki was an ok lynch.

As for what HF said, you guys are stupid. The miller interaction was a great interaction to call bs on. You guys should've lynched him on that. Or like any of the other things I brought up. You guys are right. I was so goddamn right on Toad and you guys were so goddamn useless in saying that he's totes town. Next time I will spend more time on how how goddamn right and amazing I am and challenged everyone else is not to see it.

So yah, I'm bad for not having a scumread on Suki. I'll take that. But if you guys lynch me for being too right on toad and too right on my reads on Mocsta, JJD, Rayn, gumshoe, Vivax at least two of The Chyz/Ange/WoS. And being so goddamn right on them D1 (JJD might have been a N1 thing to be fair but I count it and you guys were bad sheep for not listenting to me when I was calling him town), then you know I will happily be lynched for that shit. Because that's the funniest shit ever and I'll get the best fun in postgame.


Sorry Geript, if your town your too good, we must be as brutus was to caesar ) :

In general I dont like how Geript preys on emotions to sway us, like when he was pushing us to lynch cav "cmon guys, ill look like an idiot if he flips town" or how now hes saying "lol please lynch me for bieng too good".

Geript, your non game related incentives dont do much to convince me your town ) : and niether do your apologies. You pushed toad in such a manner that he was never getting lynched, then when night rolls around and all you have to do is beg Vivax to make your dream come true, instead you basically back off toad all together. Isa too convenient.

Another scary thought is this.

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE GUIS!!!!!! LYNCH IT WITH FIRE!!!!
Worst roleclaim ever... didn't even think of telling us who he checked. Total scumclaim.


After cav claimed, geript wanted to lynch him even more 0_0 which is insane considering vivax did the same thing yesterday and was able to prove his alignment over night, thereby gaining town a confirmed townie and a shot mafia, why the hell wouldn't a townie want cav to get a read?

Welp, if Geript isnt town, just now he had to waste one of his last shots killing someone who looked scummy as hell before the claim. If we had to let one person go to lylo of the people not on suki, between geript, cav, chyz and jar, who would it be? Geript obviously, having to shoot cav must have really sucked.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 19:20 GMT
#2703
On March 05 2014 04:02 gumshoe wrote:
After cav claimed, geript wanted to lynch him even more 0_0 which is insane considering vivax did the same thing yesterday and was able to prove his alignment over night, thereby gaining town a confirmed townie and a shot mafia, why the hell wouldn't a townie want cav to get a read?

Welp, if Geript isnt town, just now he had to waste one of his last shots killing someone who looked scummy as hell before the claim. If we had to let one person go to lylo of the people not on suki, between geript, cav, chyz and jar, who would it be? Geript obviously, having to shoot cav must have really sucked.

No. Vivax was really towny based on meta. Like as town, he uses really weird and crazy reasonings that are often so off base. That's something that's really hard to explain. Plus, how the Vivax claim came out was really, really different. Cav's claim was really different; Cav's timing for his claim was fine it's just how it was done was really really scummy. I don't blue hunt so it's really easy for me to get red/blue mixed up. The reason why I should've gotten off of Cav is something I should've known and something that we talked about on daily mafia last night; newbies rarely fake claim, like their claims are almost always true. I had him read as an uncomfortable new player; me not taking into account the new player aspect of that was bad of me. I was just too tunneled in on being right to actually correctly evaluate that read. Is ok gummy bear, I still think you're town. Why won't you just be in my pocket cause I'm so goddamn cute?
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 04 2014 19:30 GMT
#2704
On March 05 2014 04:20 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 04:02 gumshoe wrote:
After cav claimed, geript wanted to lynch him even more 0_0 which is insane considering vivax did the same thing yesterday and was able to prove his alignment over night, thereby gaining town a confirmed townie and a shot mafia, why the hell wouldn't a townie want cav to get a read?

Welp, if Geript isnt town, just now he had to waste one of his last shots killing someone who looked scummy as hell before the claim. If we had to let one person go to lylo of the people not on suki, between geript, cav, chyz and jar, who would it be? Geript obviously, having to shoot cav must have really sucked.

No. Vivax was really towny based on meta. Like as town, he uses really weird and crazy reasonings that are often so off base. That's something that's really hard to explain. Plus, how the Vivax claim came out was really, really different. Cav's claim was really different; Cav's timing for his claim was fine it's just how it was done was really really scummy. I don't blue hunt so it's really easy for me to get red/blue mixed up. The reason why I should've gotten off of Cav is something I should've known and something that we talked about on daily mafia last night; newbies rarely fake claim, like their claims are almost always true. I had him read as an uncomfortable new player; me not taking into account the new player aspect of that was bad of me. I was just too tunneled in on being right to actually correctly evaluate that read. Is ok gummy bear, I still think you're town. Why won't you just be in my pocket cause I'm so goddamn cute?


I still think im town too ) : and I wish I could feel the same way about you man, I'm not saying your explanations are bad, it's just that they are exactly that, explanations for some pretty sketchy deeds, at this point it's becoming more and more apparent that the last scummer is playing a pretty ruthless game and "woops made a bad read" just isn't going to cut it anymore.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 04 2014 19:42 GMT
#2705
Unless, you know, Chyz.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 19:46 GMT
#2706
On February 26 2014 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy.

Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack.

Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts:

Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite.

TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all.

Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well.

However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe:
In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)


Here is the post in question:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on.

This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie

lol.
Terrible.
Remember Nuclear Winter where I pushed a mislynch on gumshoe for doing dick all the whole game?
His plaing his heart out or lurking is completely alignment non-indicative and I said so earlier. That post you quoted in green is not a meta case, and you are awful or scum for thinking that I would dare make one as such.

I'm up to this point in Wave's filter. There have been a few other minor things that I've disliked up until this point but this one specifically gets stck in my craw.
On February 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game?

I don't really get how these two posts go together for me. Like if he can read my gummybear right whether on not he lurks (read Ryan's points in spoiler) I don't get why he even cares if he'll lurk. Then on top of that, Wave clearly knows how gumshoe operates but drags it into with him.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 04 2014 19:49 GMT
#2707
On March 05 2014 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Unless, you know, Chyz.


Hes not going anywhere / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 04 2014 19:50 GMT
#2708
On March 05 2014 04:49 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Unless, you know, Chyz.


Hes not going anywhere / :

As in, we're not lynching him today? Or literally?

Also gumshoe, do YOU want to explain our early interaction to geript? I think I exhausted myself trying to get it through rayn's thick skull at the time.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 19:51 GMT
#2709
On March 05 2014 04:30 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 04:20 geript wrote:
On March 05 2014 04:02 gumshoe wrote:
After cav claimed, geript wanted to lynch him even more 0_0 which is insane considering vivax did the same thing yesterday and was able to prove his alignment over night, thereby gaining town a confirmed townie and a shot mafia, why the hell wouldn't a townie want cav to get a read?

Welp, if Geript isnt town, just now he had to waste one of his last shots killing someone who looked scummy as hell before the claim. If we had to let one person go to lylo of the people not on suki, between geript, cav, chyz and jar, who would it be? Geript obviously, having to shoot cav must have really sucked.

No. Vivax was really towny based on meta. Like as town, he uses really weird and crazy reasonings that are often so off base. That's something that's really hard to explain. Plus, how the Vivax claim came out was really, really different. Cav's claim was really different; Cav's timing for his claim was fine it's just how it was done was really really scummy. I don't blue hunt so it's really easy for me to get red/blue mixed up. The reason why I should've gotten off of Cav is something I should've known and something that we talked about on daily mafia last night; newbies rarely fake claim, like their claims are almost always true. I had him read as an uncomfortable new player; me not taking into account the new player aspect of that was bad of me. I was just too tunneled in on being right to actually correctly evaluate that read. Is ok gummy bear, I still think you're town. Why won't you just be in my pocket cause I'm so goddamn cute?


I still think im town too ) : and I wish I could feel the same way about you man, I'm not saying your explanations are bad, it's just that they are exactly that, explanations for some pretty sketchy deeds, at this point it's becoming more and more apparent that the last scummer is playing a pretty ruthless game and "woops made a bad read" just isn't going to cut it anymore.

Nah it's totes cool and I'm fine with it I could 100% be happy being lynched for being so right and missing on the Cav read. I'll do the work I should've done the pas couple of days so that you guys can know my reads have been honest. I think that good players sometimes outstay their welcome and it can be better if town flips them so that they can trust their reads.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 19:54 GMT
#2710
On February 26 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Wave what's your conclusion on me, Toad and geript?

I'm not entirely convinced by the Rayn-Toad interaction. I have Toad as town for feels-type reasons. I'm going to need longer on you and Geript. As I recently said I'm not sure what it means for Geript to have not-quite-understood what was going on between the two of you, and there is some 'similarity-to-my-thoughts' going on in his posting, so I can't make a call on him yet.

Honestly a Wave I don't want gumshoe to explain that. I'd rather you do it and him confirm that. I'd also like you to explain why you were town on Toad despite the being 'similarity to my thoughts' going on and not town on both of us.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
March 04 2014 19:54 GMT
#2711
I'm totally fine with lynching Ange7. I don't know how people said that the D1 questioning and summarizing she has done was so townie, I just don't see it. To me it looks like she tries to stay the fuck away from any judgment or leadership.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 04 2014 19:56 GMT
#2712
On March 05 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 04:49 gumshoe wrote:
On March 05 2014 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Unless, you know, Chyz.


Hes not going anywhere / :

As in, we're not lynching him today? Or literally?

Also gumshoe, do YOU want to explain our early interaction to geript? I think I exhausted myself trying to get it through rayn's thick skull at the time.


As in we still have one more mislynch after todays, so if hes scum he wont get far and I really dont want to go to lylo with him if it comes to that.

I had no issue with our interaction, I've had similar bouts between xatalos as well because I can be a frustrating prospect going into a game. Honestly if I'm not getting immediately pressured or called out for inactivity somethings probably wrong / :

gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
March 04 2014 19:56 GMT
#2713
Also when she dropped her vote she had to leave and that was at a point where most people were on suki, sometimes you just have to bus.

I'd rather keep geript around for some more actually, at least he actually does stuff.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 04 2014 19:57 GMT
#2714
Woops, ignore the above, Geripts orders XD
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 04 2014 19:57 GMT
#2715
Can't now, maybe later.
I'll give you the preliminary and a warning though.

The question regarding gumshoe's activity was LITERALLY ONLY about his activity. I simply wanted to know whether he was going to play the game. I wasn't calling him town or scum. It had nothing to do with anything else.

And the warning:
I am not going to get into it with you or start defending myself and responding to your queries if you're going to bait me like you did earlier. I hate being baited. We either discuss stuff normally or we don't talk. Never mind the fact that I don't even have to really bother considering nobody is going to be lynching me today, nor are people as concerned about reading me as you are.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
March 04 2014 19:57 GMT
#2716
Also thanks to the guys saying suki can't have been bussed. Best incentive ever to stop playing and giving scum a reason to do even less.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 04 2014 19:58 GMT
#2717
Like what I should be doing later is either studying for my two midterms tomorrow or looking into Chyz.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
March 04 2014 20:00 GMT
#2718
Screw Chyz, lynch the 2 pages of filter.

D1 free pass, ok. But not doing jack all game long and always using your townreads as reasoning can't be legit, Ange77 without doubt has a not-role-reason to suddenly end up at LYLO.

I heard she kicks ass as town. Being right just with your vote isn't kicking ass, it's being right.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
March 04 2014 20:01 GMT
#2719
I demand the mutiny of Holyflare and his flawed assumptions.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2014 20:05 GMT
#2720
And now I'm back up to my super townread of Wave. Like I'm really impressing myself with that read. It looks like a really solid read... Ugh.
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