On March 05 2014 09:17 Holyflare wrote:
You literally posted today that rayn town reads people to throw them off but now you're using that as a reason...?

Are you serious?

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

March 05 2014 00:30 GMT

#2762

Why wouldn't i be?

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 05 2014 00:45 GMT

#2763

I'll be around tonight for once.
I think with the recent discussion on Ange, an earlier question I posited is relevant:
Ange, did you ever have any intention of following up on all of the questions/comments you made during your catchup?

geript

10024 Posts

March 05 2014 03:33 GMT

#2764

On break at work but we left this thread doing essentially nothing. The HF/me bitchfests wasn't going anywhere productive. I flat out think that right now the best option is to policy lynch Ange and not give a flying frak about it and not waste time discussing her.

The important thing to be spending our time on is if she isn't scum then who would it be. So here's how were going to do this. To start off, I'm formaling Holyflare. We'll all go around and bullet point reasons on why we think he could be scum, why we think he could be town and give an overall read on him. Once this formal is done, HF gets to propose the next formal. You cannot formal someone twice and, since I'm starting and have already proposed one, Vivax will choose the next formal when the formal on me is complete.

Ok so here's why I think HF is scum:
He should have a super town read on me regardless of the mod confirm. I'm clearly not playing my scum game. He's saying I'm scum for having 'too good' of reads and bussing the mafia RB Toad. But that makes no sense because if I'm willing to bus the shit out of Toad then I'd be willing to bus the shit out of suki too. There's very little reasoning for me not to switch to suki for town cred; however in his opinion there's no possibility that someone else bussed suki. He also is saying that my reasoning for pushing Toad was too right but neglects to point out that he commented on at least one of my points re:how Toad was reading people but he never really pushed that point. I don't like at all that he didn't respect my opinion on NJD especially because I have played with NJD the most and have the best reads on him and I don't think he really ever listened to them and pushed a safe/easy lynch there. It's a lot of little different nitpicky stuff but it does add up.

I think he's town because of when and how he pushed Suki. There was very little reason not let town sentiment take whatever turn it would. He stepped in and help organize town onto a good lynch despite protests to the contrary (including from myself). He recognized that Rayn was town early and combined push power.

Overall, I have no clue specifically how to read HF specifically, but his actions look super pro town and I won't vote for him.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

March 05 2014 03:41 GMT

#2765

Well i can 100% tell you that you're wasting your time on me

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

March 05 2014 03:48 GMT

#2766

Also i never said your reasoning was "too right" i said your miller shit made no sense, quite clearly to anyone, which is emphasised by the fact that nobody sheeped you. The stuff you brought up later on toad was valid yes (but i had already pointed it all out bar the chyz point) it was the fact that your town read mocsta was doing the same thing as toad, if not worse but he was still town to you and you never mentioned him doing that stuff at all.

Toad gets angry at the slightest shit, it could be quite feasible that he was super angry that you started bussing him over something that made no sense to anyone but you.

You are not confirmed town at all and now i absolutely should not be looking at you as confirmed town. I've played 1 game with you and we were both scum and you had no time to play, i have no idea how you play with time as town or scum so it's also disingenuous for you to say that at all

geript

10024 Posts

March 05 2014 03:51 GMT

#2767

On March 05 2014 12:41 Holyflare wrote:
Well i can 100% tell you that you're wasting your time on me

Look I don't disagree but that's not the point. The point is to get people talking, sharing reads and discussing why people should be a lynch. Plus, I don't care who you formal next because it will be a useful formal. Vivax is clearly off the table, but we can at least consider gumshoe because the vet claim isn't confirm able. Really so long as we discuss Chyz, Wave, myself and gumshoe then we should be able to get a great lynch off.

If you don't want this format then we can back and forth on someone you'd prefer.

geript

10024 Posts

March 05 2014 03:54 GMT

#2768

The reason why I think you should have a clear read on me is because you're good enough to be able to read my filter and see I'm town. I literally can't imagine Marv, VE, Prome, palmar or Rayn not giving me 100% town confirmed status on my filter alone. Hell, Marv probably wouldn't even read it and would just look at the number of pages. You're al least close to their level so you not giving me a town read is suspicious.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

March 05 2014 04:19 GMT

#2769

You had the same filter length as me at the start of today and i didn't play really at all past night 1...

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

March 05 2014 04:22 GMT

#2770

Not to mention those players base a lot of weight on previous games played. Which I have not done with you. I think you have the highest possibility of flipping mafia at the moment and you weren't on the suki wagon too.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

March 05 2014 04:24 GMT

#2771

The fact you gave "newbies a free pass" for the entirety of day 1 would have looked super weird if you ended up on one of them despite not following the cases at all. Not to mention the suki wagon was last minute because of the vivax blue claim and the only alternative was your town read.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 05 2014 04:44 GMT

#2772

Alright, took a study break for my long-awaited look at CHyz.
Wrote some stuff then deleted it because it's mostly inconclusive and not helpful to anyone really.

Chyz, what do you make of thread activity right now?

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

March 05 2014 04:49 GMT

#2773

Wave what do YOU make of any of the current events? There was a whole thing on geript and then a whole flip to ange and then you just came back to ask ange and chyz random bs questions?

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 05 2014 04:50 GMT

#2774

On March 05 2014 13:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wave what do YOU make of any of the current events? There was a whole thing on geript and then a whole flip to ange and then you just came back to ask ange and chyz random bs questions?

My question to Ange is slightly BS.
The one to Chyz isn't.

I'm looking at votes atm, something I should have done days ago. I don't really care much about what's going on in thread right now.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 05 2014 04:53 GMT

#2775

There may be some feels though.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

March 05 2014 04:54 GMT

#2776

Ohhh snap busting out dem feels :o!

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

March 05 2014 04:54 GMT

#2777

Please divulge them to meee.

geript

10024 Posts

March 05 2014 04:55 GMT

#2778

Ok, so let's put the formal on me then. Why do you think I'm town? I know you're saying I'm your top scum read but to find reasons why I'm town. Because if you want to be tunneled on me, then whatever. But if you literally can't read my filter and find good solid reasons for me being town then with my dying breath I'll tell them to lynch you over Ange or Chyz because I don't see any way you could honestly think I'm scum and push me as a lynch if you're town. Like impossible.

I've been thinking about both who I this is scum and which players I 100% want to be dead at endgame. An endgame of Chyz/Ange/+1 (probably gumshoes) is god fucking awful for town. Ange has constantly been Mia and while her filter has real towny spots, she literally could push anyone or anything. Chyz hasn't said much and I think he's town, but I don't trust new players at endgame to make good decisions and his reads are based on bad logic could just be me having an awful noob town read on scum bullshitting reads. So yeah, after day 2 I've been thinking about endgame because that's how I roll. Like I can't even understand why you don't want to lynch the fuck out of Ange. As far as I can see it we could call her Oats this game. Like seriously what gives because if you don't back down I'll stick my damn vote on you because there's no way you can be town seriously pushing a lynch on me.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 05 2014 05:02 GMT

#2779

On March 05 2014 13:54 Holyflare wrote:
Please divulge them to meee.

I want to wait for an answer from Chyz honestly.

I've got some stuff coming though.
Reading all sorts of stuff hardcore
(procrastinating studyiinnngggg)