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On March 05 2014 14:07 Holyflare wrote:
I'll do your stuff when i wake up geript but if you aren't scum then you better find the person who is.
Why do you think I pushed Cav so hard yesterday? He was scummy as shit and you were pushing a mislynch on my townread JJD. Hell I almost fucking counter claimed him just to secure my lynch. Like why do you think I started rereading a Wave again. Why have I reread Chyz's filter like 3-4 times just to see if I think my initial read on him was bad. I even reread Ange's filter and was like, looks towny but there's nothing in here that I see that's obv town to me.
Like Wave talk to your buddy HF because I'm done with him.
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Sorry I've been so absent, but I'm here for the next few hours. My current problems with geript is that he's just too "king of the world" and back to what he seemed like day 1. Not sure if you guys caught on, but basically on the first day geript played at his douchebag level where he knows best and no1 will stop him. Then suddenly, I realized a shift in his attitude during night 2. At that moment I thought that he was more town because of it and he probably was just doing some trolly meta stuff day 1 (never played w/ him b4, so don't know). Day 2 he also seemed to keep up the same attitude he had on night 1 and so even more solidified my with a slightly town read on him just because he was promoting town play (more than before atleast). However the kinda turning point is when cav came out and he wanted to lynch him immediately. Sure I was on Cav's case, especially since he wanted to lynch his check (which still makes NO sense but w/e, post game stuff) but a cav lynch at that moment would have been completely stupid and irrational.
Not only that but once we started today he seems to be right back and maybe even in a more retarded attitude than on day 1 with him trying to say stuff about modconfirmed town and just spewing BS all over his posts with him not ever really saying who he thinks todays lynch should be. Especially his latest thing of "lets ask around the circle thing" is so LOL worthy. Like what a good way to cover up who you think is scum and not by wasting time talking about town and not really giving a straightforward answer. He hasn't really given his scum read for todays lynch and his reasoning on voting on ange is double LOL worthy.
I kinda sidetracked about the whole attitude thing but now looking back in hindsight to me it seems like this: play like an ass, bus partner -- shit, gf died, gotta go back to town mode -- shit, bussed scum buddy died -- ok i can kill cop with mislynch, time to go all out -- ok 4 townies down, can go back to being an ass and using my bus early to ride me to victory --asshole mode engaged, waste time, give no reads.
That's how I'm reading geript atm. Along with just this overall sense off scummyness from him
On March 05 2014 05:31 geript wrote:
Ok you have reasons on her too. That's fine. Like I really don't care. I'd much rather just agree on someone, practically anyone, assume we're going to mislynch and talk about whoever is going to make it to the next day. Like we can policy lynch Ange for 2 page filter, Chyz for not being on suki, me for being too goddamn awesome. I'd mych rather pull a Gonzaw and say "Let's look at X person. Let's assume this person is scum and then ask ourselves why wasn't it obvious earlier." I feel like yesterday we all just phoned it in and I see no reason to allow that today. This way we have like 84 hours to discuss a lynch instead of 48.
Is this a scum slip, where he would just rather agree on someone for the sheer fact just to get a lynch? Why would you play assuming you're going to mislynch. He's basically saying not to give a damn who is going to get lynched today and focus on the next guy? WTF thats so stupid. Every lynch should be an opportunity to get scum.
On March 05 2014 03:32 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 03:24 Holyflare wrote:Plus it didn't hurt that ryan didn't really give a whole lot for voting her so between HF's unreadable push and Rayn's vote I felt pretty confident that suki was an ok lynch. So my unreadable push and rayn's 0 reason vote were enough to be happy with the lynch despite your town read almost dying..? No. Even if suki came out and claimed GF, even if she was modconfirmed scum. Like even then I'm not sure I would've voted her over keeping my vote on Toad. Toad was my read. One that like all you guys gave a pass on so many times so awfully. Like, I really don't understand why you even think I'm scum. It's so incomprehensible and comical to me. It's just making me smile.
And gonna leave this last one here, just think about it. confirmed scum and chance to lynch, nope my read is better. Why? Exactly my dear Watson, its cause he's scum.
##VOTE geript
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##Vote: geript
I think this may have to happen at this point.
I'm impatient so I'm not going to wait for Chyz. Got good feels on him, plus that vote analysis where he is on geript with Toad doesn't make sense if they're both scum.
Scum just DON'T do that.
EVER.
Was reading through some dead player filters, past games, a whole mismush of stuff. Nothing is incredibly conclusive but I'm trying to fill up the 'feels' meter.
Rayn wanted gumshoe to die if there's a busser and I can't decide if I'd kill him 2nd or leave him for LYLO if geript goes down and is town. And I mean, that's really what we're looking at right now, bussing to some degree.
As far as busses go the simplest case and most obvious is probably Geript followed by Ange.
Normally scum spread their votes out as best they can throughout a day and at the end of a day, but obviously the close race between suki/Mocsta didn't allow suki to stay where she was. This leaves Geript, Chyz, or one person on the suki wagon.
At this point I think I'm willing to say HF wins if he's scum, not looking at him, period.
Chyz I just took a long look at, I'm ok with him. Wish he did more, but I'm fine.
It comes down to the type of bus we're looking at here between the three leftovers, and one must ask themselves, which is easiest and most likely for scum to pull?
1) Tunnelvote a single person all day, keep your vote there even when asked to move, even when it would save your GF.
-What does this accomplish for scum? Obvious towncred for when Toad does flip, the 'spread out' voting pattern that scum crave. The 'I am right' angle he's been playing up all game thanks to his 'towncred' on Toad has been extremely over-the-top, and while possible from a town geript in all likelihood, it only makes it seem like he planned on using this to ride out the game from the very start of when Toad/geript went at each other. It's a tough case, no doubt about it, but of all the three bussing options, this one was by far the safest because unless shenannies went down somehow (and since I wasn't around they were unlikely), Geript could hang on to towncred while gambling
2) Sheep townreads fairly early on in wagon formation.
What does this accomplish for scum? The 'scum votesplit,' and........? Gumshoe was under absolutely zero obligation to bus at this point as the lynch targets I had 'set up' weren't even necessarily clearly outlined UNTIL people like gumshoe started moving. He obviously had said he would vote suki so maybe one could posit he was stuck and had to follow through, but he had no obligation to do it WHEN HE DID.
3) Sheep townreads very late in wagon formation, don't move when asked, and afk.
What does this accomplish for scum? Again the 'scum votesplit,' and even more so, done in an extremely safe way (though not as safe as Geript's option). If Ange is scum she absolves herself of all responsibility by leaving (whether she actually had to for real or not doesn't matter). Same risk as above for Geript but a weaker version of it since she doesn't get to lord over her pushing anyone all day when suki flips. She simply gets to say she 'had the chance to switch off but didn't.' She takes the same gamble in hoping Mocsta still goes down and she can look good, but it seems less likely or effective here because the gamble wasn't necessarily as potent here since she could have played a little riskier and afked on Mocsta instead....
This actually makes me think---does this belie a guilty/scum mindset in Ange in that she didn't want to be seen as the person who afked on a towny target at the end of the day, and so hoped to offset it by nobly placing herself on the right wagon?
I'm aware a lot of this stuff has been said before, but I'm putting it into KISS format (for myself, but maybe for others too) as I think it's important to remember that despite some unorthodox scumplay seemingly happening this game, there are still places where Occam's Razor can be applied.
I'm pretty sure that if I'm (and a LOT of other people who gave Chyz townreads throughout the game) are right, then this game is already over. We lynch one of Geript/Ange today and the other tomorrow and win.
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Let me say this now Geript.
If you're town:
If I don't change my mind and push for a switch to Ange today, your death has a purpose.
Yes you played a good game, but your methodology kinda ruined a lot of what good you did for the other people in the game, including me. I'm also aware if you're town that you're trying extremely hard to fix it (or if scum, trying extremely hard to....?) but there's just so many glaring issues with your attitude and play that are really difficult to let slide. I think it might be comparable to BH's 'scumslip' in Les Mafia if that makes sense. A lot of people wanted to believe he was town and worked really hard to get there but they couldn't. It seems that's the same issue I'm having. I can see almost everything you do from either perspective so you can see from my last post I break it down to the simple basics in voting analysis.
If you're town I know that the town side of what you've done was the right stuff, and that will provide us with a great deal of information, and will allow us to likely lock down Ange solidly as the final scum.
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I will also make this pretty clear: I am not sold on Geript as the lynch today, but after finally reading I will not lynch anyone other than Ange or Geript today.
I think I want to hear more from Ange herself on the matter (including the answer to my question) and possibly gumshoe.
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Also just tried to look at post-count stuff (obviously not conclusive) and I came up with the likelihood that gumshoe as town based solely on that goes way up.
It actually heavily favours geript being town as well (though he brought it up himself so bleeaaahhhhh).
Doesn't say anything about HF, me, Ange, or Chyz though, but I'm happy to eliminate gumshoe for a bunch of reasons today (even if I was the only one who ever seriously considered him).
Yeah I may switch to Ange.
We'll see where tomorrow takes us if no one else is around tonight.
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On March 05 2014 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Let me say this now Geript.
If you're town:
If I don't change my mind and push for a switch to Ange today, your death has a purpose.
Yes you played a good game, but your methodology kinda ruined a lot of what good you did for the other people in the game, including me. I'm also aware if you're town that you're trying extremely hard to fix it (or if scum, trying extremely hard to....?) but there's just so many glaring issues with your attitude and play that are really difficult to let slide. I think it might be comparable to BH's 'scumslip' in Les Mafia if that makes sense. A lot of people wanted to believe he was town and worked really hard to get there but they couldn't. It seems that's the same issue I'm having. I can see almost everything you do from either perspective so you can see from my last post I break it down to the simple basics in voting analysis.
If you're town I know that the town side of what you've done was the right stuff, and that will provide us with a great deal of information, and will allow us to likely lock down Ange solidly as the final scum.
I want to make this clear. I'm very disappointed with you wave and I 100% understand your reasoning. Like yes, my death has a purpose because apparently you guys are just donkeys and have no clue how to read obvious and mod confirmed town. Like I have played what is probably my best town game to date. Like the fact that you're riding this dick so hard and deep makes me so unsure of which of you is actually the scum fucker. Like I want to say it's Ange, but you and HF should 100% have town reads on me. Like he's tunneled as fuck on me and I really struggle calling HF scum because the interaction is like the towniest tunneled town on town shitfest.
Like I'm literally on a couch at work laughing about how you're saying it's essentially a lynch for information and you're both saying that I need to come up with who the last scum is and why. Like it's so silly. If you're town find scum your damn self, don't expect me to do your work for you so that you can lynch me and then sheep (or maybe just sheep me) when none of you fuckers would sheep me day 1 and called all of my reasons awful, stupid, and townread the shit out of Toad. On top of it, you guys are playing like you want to drag oats master to Lylo. Like no, it's a clear policy lynch situation and you fools are trying to lynch mod confirmed town. Like if Aquanim doesn't instantly submit it for worst lynch of 2014 I'll be all up in his asscrack over it. So fucking funny.
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On March 05 2014 15:04 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Let me say this now Geript.
If you're town:
If I don't change my mind and push for a switch to Ange today, your death has a purpose.
Yes you played a good game, but your methodology kinda ruined a lot of what good you did for the other people in the game, including me. I'm also aware if you're town that you're trying extremely hard to fix it (or if scum, trying extremely hard to....?) but there's just so many glaring issues with your attitude and play that are really difficult to let slide. I think it might be comparable to BH's 'scumslip' in Les Mafia if that makes sense. A lot of people wanted to believe he was town and worked really hard to get there but they couldn't. It seems that's the same issue I'm having. I can see almost everything you do from either perspective so you can see from my last post I break it down to the simple basics in voting analysis.
If you're town I know that the town side of what you've done was the right stuff, and that will provide us with a great deal of information, and will allow us to likely lock down Ange solidly as the final scum.
I want to make this clear. I'm very disappointed with you wave and I 100% understand your reasoning. Like yes, my death has a purpose because apparently you guys are just donkeys and have no clue how to read obvious and mod confirmed town. Like I have played what is probably my best town game to date. Like the fact that you're riding this dick so hard and deep makes me so unsure of which of you is actually the scum fucker. Like I want to say it's Ange, but you and HF should 100% have town reads on me. Like he's tunneled as fuck on me and I really struggle calling HF scum because the interaction is like the towniest tunneled town on town shitfest. Like I'm literally on a couch at work laughing about how you're saying it's essentially a lynch for information and you're both saying that I need to come up with who the last scum is and why. Like it's so silly. If you're town find scum your damn self, don't expect me to do your work for you so that you can lynch me and then sheep (or maybe just sheep me) when none of you fuckers would sheep me day 1 and called all of my reasons awful, stupid, and townread the shit out of Toad. On top of it, you guys are playing like you want to drag oats master to Lylo. Like no, it's a clear policy lynch situation and you fools are trying to lynch mod confirmed town. Like if Aquanim doesn't instantly submit it for worst lynch of 2014 I'll be all up in his asscrack over it. So fucking funny.
See this?
Doesn't help.
I don't actually give two shits about your righteous anger, worst lynch, or you laughing your ass off.
And where did I say you need to come up with who the last scum is? I've said it's either you or Ange hands down. I'm just debating as to who I'd rather lynch first. Keep this shit up and I'll lynch you for spite too.
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And I hate this.
but you and HF should 100% have town reads on me.
I HATE this.
It sounds so much like arrogant-marv at his worst and I absolutely hate that. No reasoning as to why we should have you 100% as town, you just make dumb assumptions. Also the modconfirmed town thing? Do you truly think that if you're the only one in a game who believes this then it's everybody else who is in the wrong?
Now like I said before, either you want to talk productively or you don't.
If this is going to be your posting for the rest of the game then just leave and don't bother coming back.
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I don't know why but the only thing I can think about is hearing Rayn scream on voice, "No....... You fucking idiots." Because that is exactly what he would be doing.
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On March 05 2014 15:09 WaveofShadow wrote:And I hate this. I HATE this. It sounds so much like arrogant-marv at his worst and I absolutely hate that. No reasoning as to why we should have you 100% as town, you just make dumb assumptions. Also the modconfirmed town thing? Do you truly think that if you're the only one in a game who believes this then it's everybody else who is in the wrong? Now like I said before, either you want to talk productively or you don't. If this is going to be your posting for the rest of the game then just leave and don't bother coming back.
You can hate it all you like. It's true because I think highly of both your guys play and I'm so surprised by the fact that either of you could even imagine a world where I am scum.
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You know what, whatever. Like I really don't care and should be studying for NCLEx. Lynch me. I'll 100% flip town. Then you lynch Ange and it's a policy lynch that's is likely to hit scum but right now I'm not sold on it. There's really just not enough to go on. And the fact that I've been able to super town read people based on really small but telling things should say a lot but I don't have a better answer than that.
to gumshoe. I'm like so 100% that you're town. If you're scum you 100% deserve it. But I think you're playing the game of you're life. Rayn noticed it too, so big ups there. Look you'll be alive at endgame. You're reads have been fantastic this game. Don't let anyone else convince you of their read. Don't filter HF or Wave as their reads are bad right now and they're either phoning in sick or scum. Don't take my reads as 100% right but I think I nailed it this game so if we're lining up on reads then you're probably good. If given my choice of lynch between Wave/HF/Chyz, I think I would lynch Wave then HF then Chez. My only hesitation to that is that Chyz's last post was super super scummy and didn't really have any 'noob tells' that I had been reading from his for the length of the game. I know I'm a bit on tilt because of the god awful desire town has to lynch me, but I'm not in any way pissed at him so I don't think that read is slanted in the slightest. Take that for what you will.
To Wave and HF specifically, and to a lesser extent everyone else who didn't listen to my reads especially on day 1. I like both of you guys, I consider you both friends and I look forward to playing games with you in the future. At least one of you is town, and you should 100% listen to me when I spend all day hammering a target with kick ass reasoning then you should be sheeping me instead of calling that guy town.
Anyways I'm going to go out with my vote on where I think scum is. It's a feels read and I can't quite explain it but I really think it's right on. Could just be omgus tunneling but YOLO
##unvote
##vote waveofshadow
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Yeah sorry geript ) : I dont like ange as scum, in rock band mafia her filter was twice as long and alot more aggresive, the game was shorter too. Rather not kill wos or hf cause one of them is likely to be shot if the other is scum, so I rather wait on that before I entertain thoughts of a super good scum game.
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I didn't follow up the questions I asked partly because some of them were answered later on when I caught up and partly because whenever I actually had time to play there were new posts to read. I know, it's not exactly a good argument but that's all I can offer.
On March 05 2014 07:12 Vivax wrote:
Do you think you would have a chance to win this assuming you were at LYLO given how few time you seem to have?
Hence, wading through all the game finding the last scum.
And being readable enough for the other townie to realize that you're town?
Cause if you can't think of that possibility, it might objectively not bad if we lynch you before lylo, no offense but I don't think scum would want to kill you cause of the low impact you have on the game due to the lack of time you have.
And if you're town vs let's say gumshoe (obviously cause vet claim) and Chyz or geript. Who will gumshoe choose? Who would you choose? I would have no clue to be honest.
Before you and geript brought me up as a possbly lynch no one else doubted that I'm town. Therefore yes, I do believe that I'm readable enough. I already agreed to getting lynched if you think I'm truly a liability to town because you can't read me but lynchiing me is not goint to end this game. As for finding that last scum, I'm trying.
So I skimmed through geript's filter agan:
On February 28 2014 07:42 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Geript I'm waiting for you to put your vote on suki cause Toad is voting Moc. Not gonna happen.
Why? Somewhere you explained that you would have saved your town read Mocsta to lynch a null read suki but you never switched your vote. And with the votes being tied a last minute vote was all suki needed to survive.
You are saying that policy lynching me would have a high chance of hitting scum yet your feel says it's WoS? If you are serious about your WoS vote, you need to explain it with more than just a feels read.
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@WoS: Correct me if I'm wrong but your voting behaviour could be explained by the same bussing rules you've used on us.
On February 28 2014 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:34 Vivax wrote:
Vote mocsta bitches. If scum wanted to push a lynch on mocsta they'd be doing that and not leaving him untouched all this fucking time. SO much WIFOM here. Fucking claim. ##Unvote
##Vote: SukiIt's entirely possible I'm getting herded here, but I don't have much choice as I'm almost out of time (save for the odd phonepost MAYBE). At the very least Rayn/HF are on it so I feel ok.
In the end you sheeped your town reads, you didn't stay around for the flip and even for the day 2 lynch you were away for most of the time and only came back after the flip claiming you were sorry for not being able to prevent the mislynch. I'm still not sold that suki was actually bussed on day 1. If lynching geript doesn't give us our final scum, I'll have to take it and you into further consideration.
#Vote: geript
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EBWOP: Yes, I am sheeping my town reads. Furthermore, I feel iffy about geript as he was the first one to bring me up as potential scum. I still think I'm towny enough for people to see it and don't see why someone would claim I'm scummy. Bringing me up feels like setting up for mislynches.
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Votecount
TheChyz (0) - gumshoe
geript (5) - gumshoe, Vivax, Holyflare, TheChyz, WaveofShadow, Ange777
Ange777 (1) - Vivax, geript
WaveofShadow (1) - geript
Not Voting - Nobody
geript is currently set to be lynched. Day 3 ends in .
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!
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3 blues is the right amount right..? Don't want to overlook tram because of a miscalculation.
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On March 06 2014 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
3 blues is the right amount right..? Don't want to overlook tram because of a miscalculation.
2-3. There's like no way tram's scum though. Like I can hit a random page of his filter and find super towny things/responses/etc.
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Like I personally wouldn't do, Vigi, Parity Vet as a setup but i don't think anyone would argue that it's unbalanced.
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