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On February 28 2014 16:37 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 28 2014 16:28 geript wrote:On February 28 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No no no no Cavalinho, you don't lynch your scumbuddy on D1 if you can avoid it. Lynching mafia D1 is far worse for scum than even all scum hard defending that said mafia. I disagree, but like that sort of damage control needs to be done way earlier. Exactly, that's why lynching mafia on D1 as scum is terrible. It confirms too much when you look at early D1 reads. It's the worst position you can ever be as mafia. This, thats why I personally feel the game is so won right now, if scum had the power to get Mocsta lynched, no matter the fall out, that was the move they should have made. The only reason they didnt? They couldn't. 2 of the 4 on Moc are scum almost guaranteed, Vivax will reveal himself tonight, Cava's probs town, Jar is 100 percent scum, and if vax is actually vig we just lynch toad instead of him. This is a really bad thing to put into town atmosphere.
I have been in a few games as town and lynched scum d1 and then lost.
When the atmosphere becomes, meh this game is ezpz.. people stop giving a fuck and scum have permission to stop trying.
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On February 28 2014 16:58 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 28 2014 16:37 geript wrote:On February 28 2014 16:22 Cavalinho wrote:On February 28 2014 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And even if Mocsta is mafia, why would Chyz not vote for one of them? One of them gets lynched 100%, why does Chyz NOT take ACTUAL credit for the lynch by hammering scum? It makes no sense to me and that's why i think he is not mafia. Again, this just banks on the fact that mafia might actually be incompetent enough to allow two of their three members to be the ones with the highest votecounts for the first day of play, which is highly unlikely. The only time I've ever seen 2 scum up for lynch was in a hydra game iirc. And that was 99% because of how active and late day shenannies there were. Like town refused as a group to lynch town and balanced on reads and were deciding which of 3 scum to lynch (Sandroba/syllogism got a free pass though). NSB and Raynmaster were the default lynch away from FMB(Prome/someone), WaveofCheesecake and MockArmor. I've read a bunch and I can't think of any other similar situation with both wagons being scum day 1. Again read these: A Quiet game mini mafiaNormal mini mafia Episode 1 Remind me after game but after skimming to see the scum teams, I think that's based more on who the teams were. [red]Besides, Moc has actually had an ok thread presence. [/erd] Not really, im just posting for in case I flip someone will finally listen.
otherwise ppl pretty much ignore everything I write.
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On February 26 2014 10:31 suki wrote:
@geript care to share reads? I take it you are leaning town on Mocsta? What about me?
Might be overthinking, but this post makes me feel a lot better about Geript.
I think this is phrased in a way to seek information vs. pointless banter.
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On February 28 2014 17:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like until Vivax is confirmed and all of Toad/JJD/Cav have been lynched and flipped town i am not considering you as a lynch.
LOL.. yeah watevz, i expect the game to be over by then too so i suppose its acceptable to consider me on the chance that plan above failed.
carry on.
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On February 28 2014 17:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 17:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 28 2014 16:58 geript wrote:On February 28 2014 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 28 2014 16:37 geript wrote:On February 28 2014 16:22 Cavalinho wrote:On February 28 2014 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And even if Mocsta is mafia, why would Chyz not vote for one of them? One of them gets lynched 100%, why does Chyz NOT take ACTUAL credit for the lynch by hammering scum? It makes no sense to me and that's why i think he is not mafia. Again, this just banks on the fact that mafia might actually be incompetent enough to allow two of their three members to be the ones with the highest votecounts for the first day of play, which is highly unlikely. The only time I've ever seen 2 scum up for lynch was in a hydra game iirc. And that was 99% because of how active and late day shenannies there were. Like town refused as a group to lynch town and balanced on reads and were deciding which of 3 scum to lynch (Sandroba/syllogism got a free pass though). NSB and Raynmaster were the default lynch away from FMB(Prome/someone), WaveofCheesecake and MockArmor. I've read a bunch and I can't think of any other similar situation with both wagons being scum day 1. Again read these: A Quiet game mini mafiaNormal mini mafia Episode 1 Remind me after game but after skimming to see the scum teams, I think that's based more on who the teams were. Besides, Moc has actually had an ok thread presence. Yes but he was not here, suki was not here, when the lynch was actually swung from "we don't know what the fuck to do" into "let's lynch suki/Mocsta". Vivax was on the table, gumshoe, JJD.. They were all on the table at that point. No Vivax was effectively off because of the claim. Gumshoe, idk I never really felt like he was gaining traction. JJD, idk maybe but like so many people have given him a soft town read at points that I find it hard to believe most people would shift to him. Like it really felt like to me it was Mocsta, suki or me; just that no one wanted to "roll the dice" on me. I can tell you reading the thread, I thought I was going to get lynched and was prety annoyed because it was like 4-5min past the deadline and had caught up on liek 20 pages or something.
So yes, teh indication was it was me or suki going down.
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On February 26 2014 10:46 suki wrote:I didn't really understand why toad and rayn called each other town, but it didn't strike me as completely odd. Certainly not scummy. Hmm Toad just replied with reasoning let me see.Show nested quote +Does anyone really think either mafia-Rayn or mafia-Toad would pass up on this chance to call the other one a retard? I don't think so. This is pretty much toad's reasoning on why rayn is town, pretty much a meta read. Which means nothing to me so I'll just wait for them to contribute more before coming to any conclusions. This is peculiar actually.
Given that Suki was scum, I think it would be natural to attack this post "which means nothing to me".
Definitely a point against Toad.
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On February 28 2014 17:18 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here, this is just before my vote on suki. On February 28 2014 04:34 Balla24 wrote:
Votecount
Mocsta (1) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern
geript (2) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern
TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki
Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript
JarJarDrinks (1) - Geript, Gumshoe
gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks
WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax
suki (1) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet
Vivax (2) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki
Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in .
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!
Do you think this looks like there is some clear direction?? No but vote count doesn't always equal thread sentiment. That JJD vote looks really out of place and sticks out like a sore thumb to me.
The problem is, several votes on me were out of place
Toad, JJD, Cavalinho
Obviously they can not all be scum.
In hindsight,, Toad looks really bad for continuously pushign for me to lynched for the modkill thingo, and refusing to read the context.
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On February 28 2014 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Another thing: I think there are several people who play far better when they are considered "confirmed town". That includes me, Vivax, Holyflare and Wave. I have no idea about Ange and geript. I know i play far better when noone has any reasons to call me mafia and therefore distract me or make me angry. I know at least Vivax and Wave do get distracted the same way. That's why i don't wanna talk about them as mafia, i wanna work with them. I would love to "clear" Mocsta, but i don't want to. Just because he has been incredibly lazy this game and has said some pretty suspicious stuff. I don't want to call him mafia either, but instead give him some time to prove himself. Mocsta use it wisely and start saying wise stuff okay?  Absolutety fuck you
Im modkilling myself you fucktard
I almost lost my job trying to play this fuckn game, and you have the audacity to say this to me.
Fuck you
From: Aquanim [ 1658 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Cultured Mini Mafia Role
Date: 2/26/14 08:04
You are a Vanilla Townie. You have no special powers, but you have your voice and your vote.
You win with the town.
and good riddance.
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On March 08 2014 14:49 geript wrote:
Morale of the story. You guys should listen to me more because I'm a good player.
Nah, it was your fault.
and this isnt a troll post.
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I guess to go into more detail:
Early game you had great difficulty articulating yourself to the majority of town.
Maybe people were not as clever as you to understand your perspective; the onus is still on you to be clear.
Late game you rode too high on your "mod-confirm" as a medium to push your reads. Though this is I think is more likely to originate from town; it still subconsciously turns people off from listening to you.
Essentially you failed at campaigning, and late game HF owned you in the popularity game.
Its frustrating reading town players say stuff like I wont consider XYZ because I like them too much; but its also a completely valid component of the game.
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On March 08 2014 16:37 geript wrote:
For the record, and I don't remember if anyone asked, but I refused to vote for newbies on the first day because often times you can't a good solid read on them. They can be really really scummy because they don't know better.
Yeah I get that; but theres a difference between trying not to prioritising them vs. a full embargo.
To me, its also the perfect cover story if you have newbie scum in your team.
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On March 08 2014 17:33 geript wrote:
Who cares if it's a good cover story. I'd rather take a different good lynch option and get a solid read on a person.
And therein lies your problem.
You have failed to understand what is required for the person you are communicating with to join you.
Being right is half the battle. You still need to convince people why they should trust your gut feel.
I absolutely nailed Suki (for the right reasons) with my first handful of posts. No one followed me because *I* didn't do a good enough job of explaining what I saw. Only Gumshoe agreed, and even his opinion was a skewed version of my own.
The same can be said of your read on Toad.
You can blame everyone else for not going along, but ultimately, mafia is a game of deceit and you have to earn trust. This is where both of us failed.
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