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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 19 2014 00:59 GMT
#40
/in
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 19 2014 01:01 GMT
#42
pls start tonight, tommorrow or something like that. no weekend starts pls.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 19 2014 12:26 GMT
#59
On February 19 2014 20:51 marvellosity wrote:
this playerlist is a kinda beautiful blend of old and new actually. i like it.


I don't see any old on it!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 19 2014 13:28 GMT
#65
In that case everybody gets lynched because fuck math.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 19 2014 14:24 GMT
#79
Come on Kosher, stay with the times dude.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 19 2014 18:03 GMT
#105
prplhz is the longest standing TL mafia member on the player list.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 19 2014 18:06 GMT
#107
get off my lawn kids
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 19 2014 18:13 GMT
#111
On February 20 2014 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:
I told you Palmar is scum. Look at the meta evidence. Has he ever told kids to get off his lawn as town? NOPE

Indisputable meta right there.


I haven't done it as scum either, so it's not alignment indicative. Fabricating evidence and using faulty meta may be alignment indicative for you though.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 19 2014 21:57 GMT
#119
slot machine
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 19 2014 23:42 GMT
#133
Toad fuck you.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:19 GMT
#188
On February 20 2014 09:18 VIVAX420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 09:13 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that.


wait so you are implying that scum is going to be afraid of the default votes enough to come up with a plan like that?


##vote toad

im not playing i want this addressed.


Wagon of justice!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:21 GMT
#191
I would support policy lynching the smurf btw.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:29 GMT
#201
##elect prplhz
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:30 GMT
#202
On February 20 2014 09:29 Koshi wrote:
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On February 20 2014 09:21 Palmar wrote:
I would support policy lynching the smurf btw.

Let's play "Who is the Smurf"

I think DarthPunk and marv knows it.


I don't care. Most smurfs are really boring and don't do anything, just an excuse for players to semi-lurk.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:35 GMT
#207
I agree with what prplhz is saying, and to the extend that I don't understand why people care where votes are parked. It's completely irrelevant, there is no pressure in a vote that isn't being actively pushed as a lynch target. No one cares. I have no idea why rayn seems to think we need a plan to address that non-problem. It's an extremely bad opening discussion point and serves no purpose.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:39 GMT
#212
The important part here is why rayn created the plan. If he's town I see two options, he either thought it was a good controversial move to start discussion, or he actually believes idle shitvotes randomly assigned by the host actually mean something.

If he's scum, it's a fantastic way of saying things without actually contributing anything to the game. I also don't know why his first post didn't simply lay out his plan, but instead left it up to guesswork by the rest of us. But I don't know if that says anything about his alignment.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:40 GMT
#214
On February 20 2014 09:39 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
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On February 20 2014 09:35 Palmar wrote:
I agree with what prplhz is saying, and to the extend that I don't understand why people care where votes are parked. It's completely irrelevant, there is no pressure in a vote that isn't being actively pushed as a lynch target. No one cares. I have no idea why rayn seems to think we need a plan to address that non-problem. It's an extremely bad opening discussion point and serves no purpose.

Do you think Rayn is scum for it? You're saying it's pointless and you have no idea why he's talking about it, yet you continue to talk about it without asking any questions or having any follow up in your post. Everything you've said has already been said too. What is this post meant to accomplish?


I don't know if he's scum because of it.

We have plenty of time to figure it out. I was basically explaining where I stand.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:41 GMT
#218
On February 20 2014 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 20 2014 09:35 Palmar wrote:
I agree with what prplhz is saying, and to the extend that I don't understand why people care where votes are parked. It's completely irrelevant, there is no pressure in a vote that isn't being actively pushed as a lynch target. No one cares. I have no idea why rayn seems to think we need a plan to address that non-problem. It's an extremely bad opening discussion point and serves no purpose.

Do you agree with prplhz's vote on me?

Actually this goes to everyone.


I have no problem with it.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:42 GMT
#219
On February 20 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
When marv comes in, he'll explain my posts to everyone. Trust me, he has do to that, even as mafia. Then we lynch mafia.


How about you explain your idea yourself? I mean I posted the two options I saw, but you can probably elaborate better than I on your intentions.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:46 GMT
#227
On February 20 2014 09:43 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
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On February 20 2014 09:39 Palmar wrote:
The important part here is why rayn created the plan. If he's town I see two options, he either thought it was a good controversial move to start discussion, or he actually believes idle shitvotes randomly assigned by the host actually mean something.

If he's scum, it's a fantastic way of saying things without actually contributing anything to the game. I also don't know why his first post didn't simply lay out his plan, but instead left it up to guesswork by the rest of us. But I don't know if that says anything about his alignment.

So basically he could be town or scum for it and all you've done is waffle things that have either already been posted or could be extrapolated within a second.


I haven't actually waffled, I simply haven't made a decision.

On February 20 2014 09:43 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 09:40 Palmar wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:39 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:35 Palmar wrote:
I agree with what prplhz is saying, and to the extend that I don't understand why people care where votes are parked. It's completely irrelevant, there is no pressure in a vote that isn't being actively pushed as a lynch target. No one cares. I have no idea why rayn seems to think we need a plan to address that non-problem. It's an extremely bad opening discussion point and serves no purpose.

Do you think Rayn is scum for it? You're saying it's pointless and you have no idea why he's talking about it, yet you continue to talk about it without asking any questions or having any follow up in your post. Everything you've said has already been said too. What is this post meant to accomplish?


I don't know if he's scum because of it.

We have plenty of time to figure it out. I was basically explaining where I stand.

But your post said nothing prplhz hasn't already said. You've given your thoughts on this and your conclusion was that it's a null tell, or you haven't followed up on it with any questions geared towards Rayn. Why did you feel the need to address this from all the things in the thread when you both consider it useless and don't come to a conclusion from it?


I don't think you can reach a conclusion from it. On it's own it's not enough to say he's scum. That doesn't mean I'm going to shy away from talking about it.

Also I don't think what we're discussing now is useless. I think the plan itself was useless, but discussing the thought process that made rayn come up with the plan is extremely useful.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:51 GMT
#232
On February 20 2014 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 09:42 Palmar wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
When marv comes in, he'll explain my posts to everyone. Trust me, he has do to that, even as mafia. Then we lynch mafia.


How about you explain your idea yourself? I mean I posted the two options I saw, but you can probably elaborate better than I on your intentions.

Now this is the point. I already did. Why are you not reading?


I am reading, but it doesn't explain why you think it's relevant. You explains what you hope to achieve, but not why you think it's a good idea.

On February 20 2014 09:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It puts pressure on people who are considered lynch targets. And yes, if you are not pushing a lynch or have a stance on the current lynch targets you should vote for yourself then.


I would assume by default, any vote with a case/reasoning backing it would pressure a lynch target, no matter where some random votes have been left behind. In fact, I haven't even voted you, yet I'm pretty sure you feel much more pressure from me than Toad does, who currently has my vote on him.

So why do you think we need the plan? Do you simply disagree with me in the notion that the random votes are completely pointless?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:52 GMT
#233
On February 20 2014 09:49 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 09:46 Palmar wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:43 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:39 Palmar wrote:
The important part here is why rayn created the plan. If he's town I see two options, he either thought it was a good controversial move to start discussion, or he actually believes idle shitvotes randomly assigned by the host actually mean something.

If he's scum, it's a fantastic way of saying things without actually contributing anything to the game. I also don't know why his first post didn't simply lay out his plan, but instead left it up to guesswork by the rest of us. But I don't know if that says anything about his alignment.

So basically he could be town or scum for it and all you've done is waffle things that have either already been posted or could be extrapolated within a second.


I haven't actually waffled, I simply haven't made a decision.

You have pointed out something that had already been pointed out and didn't conclude anything alignment indicative from it, nor did you attempt to inquire further into Rayn until I and Rayn called you out on it.

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 09:43 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:40 Palmar wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:39 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:35 Palmar wrote:
I agree with what prplhz is saying, and to the extend that I don't understand why people care where votes are parked. It's completely irrelevant, there is no pressure in a vote that isn't being actively pushed as a lynch target. No one cares. I have no idea why rayn seems to think we need a plan to address that non-problem. It's an extremely bad opening discussion point and serves no purpose.

Do you think Rayn is scum for it? You're saying it's pointless and you have no idea why he's talking about it, yet you continue to talk about it without asking any questions or having any follow up in your post. Everything you've said has already been said too. What is this post meant to accomplish?


I don't know if he's scum because of it.

We have plenty of time to figure it out. I was basically explaining where I stand.

But your post said nothing prplhz hasn't already said. You've given your thoughts on this and your conclusion was that it's a null tell, or you haven't followed up on it with any questions geared towards Rayn. Why did you feel the need to address this from all the things in the thread when you both consider it useless and don't come to a conclusion from it?


I don't think you can reach a conclusion from it. On it's own it's not enough to say he's scum. That doesn't mean I'm going to shy away from talking about it.

Also I don't think what we're discussing now is useless. I think the plan itself was useless, but discussing the thought process that made rayn come up with the plan is extremely useful.

Do you think it makes him more likely to be scum, then? I'm not getting anything out of this discourse other than a scumread on you.[/QUOTE]

Why are you trying to pressure me into making a call? I have plenty of time to decide whether or not rayn is scum...
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 00:55 GMT
#239
On February 20 2014 09:53 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Why am I pressuring a scumread? Gee, I wonder.
Is that a serious question?


It is an entirely serious question.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:03 GMT
#243
On February 20 2014 09:58 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
I saw no point in your initial comments, and with a lack of a follow up to continue on them I saw them as fluff as they added nothing new to the table.


Even rayn would tell you (and notice how he responded specifically to me) that it matters where people stand. I wanted to say I agreed with prplhz on his point about rayn's plan. That's about it.

On February 20 2014 09:58 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:You have given potential scenarios rather than ask Rayn to explain himself, so if your intention was to read him, it seems like a horrendous way of approaching it.


On February 20 2014 09:42 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
When marv comes in, he'll explain my posts to everyone. Trust me, he has do to that, even as mafia. Then we lynch mafia.


How about you explain your idea yourself? I mean I posted the two options I saw, but you can probably elaborate better than I on your intentions.


Seems to me I did exactly what you're accusing me of not having done.

On February 20 2014 09:58 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:Therefore since you already have a read I'd like to hear it so that it may make my read on you more accurate. I'm more interested in hearing thoughts from you rather than Rayn right now.


I don't. I don't think I have nearly enough information to make a call, hence why I'm baffled why you're trying to force me to make a decision, it makes no sense for me to throw out a random conclusion when I haven't reached one.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:04 GMT
#244
Like I don't mind you asking questions, but please believe my answers. If I say I don't know if it makes rayn scum, then that probably means I don't know if it makes rayn scum.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:07 GMT
#246
On February 20 2014 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 20 2014 10:04 Palmar wrote:
Like I don't mind you asking questions, but please believe my answers. If I say I don't know if it makes rayn scum, then that probably means I don't know if it makes rayn scum.

How can you agree with prplhz's vote if you don't think i am necessarily scum?

I said I had no problem with the vote. I don't think it makes prplhz any more likely to be scum. That doesn't mean I have reached the same conclusion.

Now if you go all super-towny and start raping mafia left and right the rest of the day and prplhz's vote stays on you, then we have a problem, but at the moment I have no problem with the vote.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:11 GMT
#250
On February 20 2014 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem is that there are now at least 4 people who have no interest in thinking of my motives behind my posts. I'll make a clarification after marv posts anyways, but there is something i want out of marv first. I'll explain that too after.


I'm asking exactly for your motives. But for some reason you don't seem to want to tell me?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:13 GMT
#253
As far as I could read, rayn didn't back off his plan when he realized the votes didn't work the way he thought. That's the assumption I've been working under.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:13 GMT
#255
@Smurf can you please stop breaking posts, it's really annoying to reply to you when you constantly do.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:15 GMT
#256
On February 20 2014 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 20 2014 10:11 Palmar wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem is that there are now at least 4 people who have no interest in thinking of my motives behind my posts. I'll make a clarification after marv posts anyways, but there is something i want out of marv first. I'll explain that too after.


I'm asking exactly for your motives. But for some reason you don't seem to want to tell me?

You are supposed to make educated guesses about my motives and post your conclusions about them. Apparently you don't understand them. That's technically fine. What's not fine is you blindly soft +1 prplhz and Toad while saying you don't understand what's going on.


I did already make two educated guesses that assume you're town, which of course are the only ones you'd ever confirm as either alignment.

You just ignored me.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:19 GMT
#262
On February 20 2014 10:18 marvellosity wrote:
The point of that being that Palmar will talk about things like you've been constantly attacking him for talking about things. And it doesn't mean very much. That's just how he talks about stuff.


I wasn't aware I talked about stuff in a particular way
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:20 GMT
#264
@rayn could you at least say I'm wrong/right? Marv made the same-ish guess as me.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:40 GMT
#273
On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So here we go (marv i would have expected a bit more from you, i am sad):

There are three possibilities about my motives and here they are:

1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate.

However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at.


I don't mind these questions. Helps me filter the people that are dumb and think it matters and the people I should be listening to.

I don't agree, as I already explained. I think it can be very irrelevant where my vote is. I usually make it very, very clear when I decide someone is scum.

On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why did you not try to see what i was/am trying to do and how that would make me whatever alignment. What you did is you took some posts from me and painted them scummy without no thinking behind it. I want to know why.


I did exactly this, but it didn't help when you decided to make some ridiculous "trap play" I guess and thus didn't want to answer the obvious question I raised.

On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If what i was doing was (1), then i am town.
If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment.
If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly.

So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad?


You left out (4) You thought this would be a well-received plan by town and allowed you an easy "pro-town" contribution, which would make you scum. I even explained as much as a possibility.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:42 GMT
#276
On February 20 2014 10:32 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 10:30 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:20 marvellosity wrote:
Let's go with this:

##unvote
##Vote: Toadesstern


His +1 on prplhz's vote is super-weak. Why is Toad agreeing with prplhz that rayn is looking for a way not to take stands? Toad is passingly familiar enough with rayn to know that's not how rayn operates.

Naughty toad.


I voted him because I like voting rayn after the last game we had together, just look at the post I quoted while voting him. I think that was the first game we had together so no I don't really know how he plays considering that I ragequited because of him on d2. At least I don't recall any other game.

Do you honestly think I'm going after him in all seriousness right now instead of just taking sidestabs at him for last game?
After posts like these:
On February 20 2014 09:43 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:38 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:35 Palmar wrote:
I agree with what prplhz is saying, and to the extend that I don't understand why people care where votes are parked. It's completely irrelevant, there is no pressure in a vote that isn't being actively pushed as a lynch target. No one cares. I have no idea why rayn seems to think we need a plan to address that non-problem. It's an extremely bad opening discussion point and serves no purpose.

Do you agree with prplhz's vote on me?

Actually this goes to everyone.

If you read my posts, you'll find that I actually said the exact same thing and that I as well have my vote on you. So yes.

So why is your vote not on me?


On February 20 2014 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 20 2014 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The quoted below is in addition to votes cast on D1 correct?
On day 1 each player will be randomly assigned a vote on someone else. No one will have more than 3 votes on them to begin with.



##vote: raynpelikoneet
I have a plan and i am not sure if this is the best plan because i have not thought it through from every angle yet but does anyone know what i am doing?

sounds good to me, I like this

##vote: raynpelikoneet


I didn't feel the need to vote myself and revote you for a more dramatic expression of my desire to get you lynched.

?

I had the same idea as prplhz had and said I can't think of a reason why a town would want to proppose this and I'd still like to see his reasoning for all this.

you can't say

1) "I'm not going after him seriously"
and
2) "but I need to hear from him about this"

1) is backing out of it and yet you're pushing it with 2)

my vote stands while I go to bed


This is a very good point.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 20 2014 01:45 GMT
#278
On February 20 2014 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar the problem is not that if you make it clear or not. It's if other people think you are being clear or not which is not always so easily said. You know how this shit works, scum misrepresent everything people do because that's how you lynch townies. Why not reduce the possible amount of misrepresentations by an easy policy that does no harm in any case?


Because attempts at misrepresentation are excellent way of catching scum? I'm cocky enough to think I'll see through those.
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February 20 2014 01:55 GMT
#282
On February 20 2014 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toadesstern do you think being able to unvote in general is pro-town or pro-mafia?



oh can i? ??
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 01:56 GMT
#284
but I know the answer! !!!

such excited
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February 20 2014 01:58 GMT
#286
ok it doesn't matter at all and has no impact on the game
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February 20 2014 08:32 GMT
#370
On February 20 2014 11:00 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
rayn said:
We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at.


Here's how I see it. Because you're forced to vote someone, you can't unvote and remain without an opinion (well, except with this stupid plan). This is pro-town. If someone voted Koshi and said, 'I don't think Koshi is scum anymore' but kept his vote on Koshi, then pressuring that person to take a stance on someone else IS pro-town because they can't just unvote and say 'I dont know I'm thinking'.

It forces accountability, and mafia hate being accountable for their actions. This outweighs scum possibly misrepresenting someone because they didn't take off their vote.


On February 20 2014 11:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
suki is probably mafia.



I read this exchange. I think suki is wrong and bad but I don't think this post makes him mafia.
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February 20 2014 08:32 GMT
#371
I'm catching up btw, will post as I run into things I find interesting.
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February 20 2014 08:34 GMT
#372
On February 20 2014 11:25 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 10:40 Koshi wrote:
Rofl. Rayn and marv are.going to be town so this will be so awesome.
Let it be known that if you attack either rayn, marv or myself in the next 6 hours you better.do it very convincingly. Cuz I will not be impressed by sloppy shizzle on my towny friends and myself.

Poor.scummers.

Koshi out 4.realzies.


Koshi tell me why you are reading these two as town, and why you feel the need to express this so strongly to the thread.


Asking for reasoning on the town reads is fair, the second sentence is dumb.
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February 20 2014 08:36 GMT
#373
On February 20 2014 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 11:33 prplhz wrote:
I still think that raynpelikoneet's plan is completely useless and no townie has any reason to come up with or push it.

I also agree with marvellosity that it doesn't make sense that scum would hard push a silly slightly scummy plan in thread like this.

Also this is why prplhz is mafia. It's an obvious contradiction that makes no sense.

##unvote
##Vote: prplhz


I don't see the contradiction. There is no reason for any townie to do various strange things, yet they do it all the time and we even clear the for it. (it: this is so dumb he has to be town).
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February 20 2014 08:39 GMT
#374
On February 20 2014 11:44 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 11:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So what was your reasoning for unvoting as town or as mafia? I guarantee as mafia it's most likely "because i would do that as town" as in "i try to look townie" because that's why you do things as mafia right?

So we can exclude that part. What was your reasoning for unvote as town?

top kek

You don't think there was ever a scum who was like "Shit, I need to get my vote off of this guy because this vote is a little silly and it's attracting attention to me. I guess I'll try to do it in a townie way."

The whole "scum act like town so we can never catch them"-idea is silly. Scum can't perfectly act like town and the more we force them to act the less they look like town (ideally).


I don't agree with your logic prplhz. IF rayn is mafia he's not dumb enough to create an entire plan to simply get his vote off someone. If he is mafia the reason he did this is he thought the plan would be well-received in town and considered advantageous for town, thus giving him townie points for not really doing anything.
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February 20 2014 09:39 GMT
#380
On February 20 2014 18:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
What are you doing palmar? Are you pressuring anyone with that set of posts? It seems totally useless man. Why dont you finish reading then consolidate a push against someone


I'm posting things I find interesting?

Why is everyone so annoying and rash? Could you people just chill while I develop reads etc?
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February 20 2014 09:40 GMT
#381
On February 20 2014 18:37 Koshi wrote:
@rayn
prplhz contradiction is something I don't perceive as scummy btw. But I can give him a scummy point.


I don't think it is a contradiction at all and I think the whole exchange makes prplhz look pretty good.
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February 20 2014 09:44 GMT
#382
On February 20 2014 14:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
suki's post about rayn's policy was really bad because it served no purpose, nobody was asking her what she thought and she just comments on it that it doesnt make Rayn scum or town. Completely useless and not what a townie thinks about at all.

Toad because of his wishywashyness on rayn and his inconsistant stance on rayn.

Basically what other people said.


I don't agree that it's useless to make comments without reaching conclusion. Sometimes you're making them in hopes further comments will arise, sometimes you're simply stating your position. I've made multiple comments this game without trying to pretend I've reached some sort of conclusion.

If toad is scum it is because of what marv pointed out.
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February 20 2014 09:49 GMT
#383
I just went back through the playerlist and I realized I actually like this game. Almost everyone has posted something that I can work with.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 10:56 GMT
#390
I know I want to see another train of thought by smurf. This first one was pretty bad, but I'm not sure it was scum-bad.

I agree with most of marv's conclusions. prplhz looks very much ok to me. I'm not as certain about Suki, but I am nowhere near calling her scum. As for clarification, I think it's much more likely rayn is scum than she is.
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February 20 2014 10:58 GMT
#391
On February 20 2014 18:50 Koshi wrote:
yay. Now let's brainstorm.


I'm waiting for any kind of contribution to the discussion from you. You've posted a lot and said very little.
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February 20 2014 11:06 GMT
#393
On February 20 2014 18:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
What are you doing palmar? Are you pressuring anyone with that set of posts? It seems totally useless man. Why dont you finish reading then consolidate a push against someone


Are you actually going to play this game?
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 11:07 GMT
#394
On February 20 2014 20:06 marvellosity wrote:
Seriously wish you'd let Balla answer first T.T

Agree with you about Koshi - Koshi my love, you can't just hang off me/rayn's coat-tails. You should know by now I only protect you when I have good reasons to think you're town... :>


Do you think rayn is town?

He's definitely in my lower tier of "possibly scum" players at the moment.
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February 20 2014 11:08 GMT
#396
on a scale of 1 - starsenses, how certain are you?
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February 20 2014 11:11 GMT
#399
I don't even understand that conversation.
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February 20 2014 11:17 GMT
#406
That being said, of the people targeted by rayn, suki looks by far the worst. But she still looks better than Toad/Oats/sidesprang, who are the players I'd probably lynch if I had to choose right now.

For the time being marv is town for posting smart stuff, prplhz is town for being townie. kush is probably town too. I need to see more from the smurf to make a decision on him, but at least the pressure he put on me last night was genuine if a bit stupid. I like the fact he just dropped it when it was clear he wasn't getting anywhere with it, it feels very much town-like to just back off like that.

The pool is narrowing quite a bit, I mean if you can somehow convince me rayn/suki are town marv, and I might be inclined to just take a flyer on your read on them, then there isn't many players left to discuss for lynching.

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February 20 2014 11:19 GMT
#407
It's basically the three I mentioned + balla + koshi.
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February 20 2014 11:21 GMT
#409
Why have you been considering that Koshi? Why do you think Toad is scum?
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February 20 2014 11:22 GMT
#411
pls respond fast so I can believe you're actually reading the thread and making informed decisions.
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February 20 2014 11:22 GMT
#413
On February 20 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not that interested in convincing you right now, Palmar, simply because it's so early and I can easily be wrong at this stage (especially suki I think - the continued attack on rayn's reasoning I found terrible, but then I found suki's incredulation at being rayn's scumread pretty genuine) and we have a tonne of time.

Agree with you on kush+Smurf as it stands.

This game has been much easier to get involved in and I feel kinda inclined to wait and see what a couple of my unknowns are going to do through the day


Out of curiosity, have you realized I'm town yet?
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February 20 2014 11:23 GMT
#417
On February 20 2014 20:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 20:21 Palmar wrote:
Why have you been considering that Koshi? Why do you think Toad is scum?

Because marv looked town to me.
I don't know. That's why it is called sheeping.



Why does marv look town, pls answer fast.
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February 20 2014 11:24 GMT
#418
On February 20 2014 20:23 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On February 20 2014 20:21 Palmar wrote:
Why have you been considering that Koshi? Why do you think Toad is scum?

Because marv looked town to me.
I don't know. That's why it is called sheeping.

Given I've advanced reasoning for Toad to be mafia, do you not have an opinion on the reasoning I gave?

Exactly what I was wondering.
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February 20 2014 11:25 GMT
#420
The point being, one of the reasons I think marv is town, is the point he made about Toad, which is a really good point. So I'd assume people who have a townread on marv know about this Toad thing.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 11:27 GMT
#422
idk Kosher.

Not sure I give townie points. Not sure if I give scumpoints either though.
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February 20 2014 11:27 GMT
#423
Koshi, top 3 lynch targets pls, and top 3 town reads

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February 20 2014 11:29 GMT
#425
not today, I suppose.
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February 20 2014 11:31 GMT
#427
I think this Toad lynch is good btw.

I can also claim to have been first on the wagon. Trendsetter, if you will.
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February 20 2014 11:35 GMT
#429
not very impressed.
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February 20 2014 11:35 GMT
#430
But as long as you lynch toad with us I'm fine with it.
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February 20 2014 11:40 GMT
#433
Who's winning?
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February 20 2014 12:16 GMT
#438
On February 20 2014 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Has anyone ever played with prplhz in a game where he is actually pro-active from the start as town? Because i can't remember one.


many times.

He's very much an up and down player. He used to be less lazy back in the day.
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February 20 2014 12:56 GMT
#461
On February 20 2014 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So if you read prpl's posts can you tell what he really thinks now? Because i can't. I don't know if he thinks my plan was scummy or not (btw that was not his reasoning in the first place for voting for me).


No I think initially he thought you were scummy for doing the plan. I think he has now backed off based on marv explaining you were probably not scum for pushing this plan, but he still maintains the position that the plan was not reasonable for a townie to do.

ie, I think he thinks you're bad and dumb, but not necessarily scum.
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February 20 2014 12:59 GMT
#462
On February 20 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar why do you think kush is town?


I like some points he's made.

On February 20 2014 09:13 VIVAX420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that.


wait so you are implying that scum is going to be afraid of the default votes enough to come up with a plan like that?


On February 20 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote:
toad you are backtracking so hard. it's not serious, yet you gave shitty but serious reasons for it.


On February 20 2014 12:06 VIVAX420 wrote:
why vote prpl? just because of the contradiction in that post you quoted? it wasn't so much a contradiction as it was a realization that marv had a good point.

On February 20 2014 12:09 VIVAX420 wrote:
rayn nvm that garbage you are pushing. I think you are misunderstanding the intentions behind that post. It's like "hmmm this was my argument, but then again marv has a good point"
prpl seems really pro town so far.
~~
What do you think of toad?


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February 20 2014 12:59 GMT
#463
Basically because he agrees with me, I guess.
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February 20 2014 13:01 GMT
#465
On February 20 2014 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw if sidesprang does not do stuff we lynch him on D1. I am sick of this shit where people don't play.


I don't agree.

I think Toad has a better chance of flipping scum. We lynch for scum.
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February 20 2014 13:01 GMT
#466
On February 20 2014 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 21:59 Palmar wrote:
On February 20 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar why do you think kush is town?


I like some points he's made.

On February 20 2014 09:13 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that.


wait so you are implying that scum is going to be afraid of the default votes enough to come up with a plan like that?


On February 20 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote:
toad you are backtracking so hard. it's not serious, yet you gave shitty but serious reasons for it.


On February 20 2014 12:06 VIVAX420 wrote:
why vote prpl? just because of the contradiction in that post you quoted? it wasn't so much a contradiction as it was a realization that marv had a good point.

On February 20 2014 12:09 VIVAX420 wrote:
rayn nvm that garbage you are pushing. I think you are misunderstanding the intentions behind that post. It's like "hmmm this was my argument, but then again marv has a good point"
prpl seems really pro town so far.
~~
What do you think of toad?



Do you know that when kush is mafia he loves nothing more than being right?
If prplhz is town and Toad is scum oh boy how that fits into scum!kush.


Do I look like I care about meta?
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 13:03 GMT
#469
On February 20 2014 22:02 marvellosity wrote:
lol. Weren't you talking about policy lynching and shit last game Palmar?


I don't agree with myself.
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February 20 2014 13:09 GMT
#471
You are right. Let me head over to my spreadsheet and give Kush a slightly paler shade of green. Then we lynch Toad. You down homeboy?
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February 20 2014 13:19 GMT
#473
yeah, koshi has been a bit shit hasn't he?
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February 20 2014 13:25 GMT
#479
The one guy I need to read is this balla
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February 20 2014 13:31 GMT
#485
Toad who is scum and why is it you?
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February 20 2014 13:47 GMT
#501
On February 20 2014 22:33 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 09:10 Koshi wrote:
##vote Koshi

I am ok with rayn his idea.

+ Show Spoiler +
I am not seeing anything around balla.


First he's okay with raynpelikoneet's plan.

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 09:17 Koshi wrote:
rayn, do you see any suspicious people or are you too busy with the thing with the standard votes that I don't understand.


Then he doesn't understand it?


[image loading]
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February 20 2014 13:52 GMT
#504
Seriously prplhz, you're a goddamn hero.
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February 20 2014 14:08 GMT
#515
I really like prplhz's point about koshi, don't you marv? doesn't it make you all warm inside?
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February 20 2014 14:21 GMT
#527
So how about that toad lynch then
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February 20 2014 14:23 GMT
#529
On February 20 2014 23:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 22:47 Palmar wrote:
On February 20 2014 22:33 prplhz wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:10 Koshi wrote:
##vote Koshi

I am ok with rayn his idea.

+ Show Spoiler +
I am not seeing anything around balla.


First he's okay with raynpelikoneet's plan.

On February 20 2014 09:17 Koshi wrote:
rayn, do you see any suspicious people or are you too busy with the thing with the standard votes that I don't understand.


Then he doesn't understand it?


[image loading]

3 people find this a problem. hmm.

The first time I might have thought we all voted ourselves to show neutrality. But then he start talking about standard votes and I might have been confused for moment.


It's ok, there's a nice cozy Toad wagon and y'all can hop right on!
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February 20 2014 14:27 GMT
#539
On February 20 2014 23:25 marvellosity wrote:
Ok. marv's proposal:

I don't think we're going to get any further with Toad on this. How about we leave him be and let him scumhunt and do his thing in peace for a while. I think that'll be more useful than keep going over the same things that aren't going to change no matter how much we talk about them.


I'll just unvote then... WAIDAMINUTE???!!!

host pls?
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February 20 2014 14:30 GMT
#541
I don't particularly care. I don't see why anyone would be on anyone that isn't kosher or Toad atm, but of course there's nothing stopping them from you know... being useful.

I'm bored tbh, not much to do. Maybe I'll go read this Balla person
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February 20 2014 14:36 GMT
#545
The way you worded the initial question ignored the option I pointed out rayn.
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February 20 2014 14:41 GMT
#549
rayn are marv and I town?
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February 20 2014 14:57 GMT
#557
On February 20 2014 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
On February 20 2014 23:44 suki wrote:
I know Koshi hates rolling scum and doesn't feel like playing when he's scum. I think he is scummy because he is not analyzing people, not pressuring people and generally just calling people scum or town randomly and making it known he's going to be sheeping.

suki, explain to me how this is more likely to come from mafia than town, please.

also read the last sentence in suki's post.


I don't see anything alignment indicative in that last sentence.
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February 20 2014 14:57 GMT
#558
On February 20 2014 23:56 suki wrote:
From my previous experience with Koshi, these posts are more likely to come from scum Koshi than town Koshi.

This is just off the top of my head because I've gotta go in 10 mins. In Shadowed: The Reboot, Koshi was town and he was active from the start, putting down votes, pressuring, calling out contraditions. In the original Shadowed game, he just talked random shit and wasn't interested in making reads for at least the first part of Day 1.

Koshi's behaviour makes me feel like he's not interested in finding who is scum but is just happy to sheep. Regardless of my meta read on him, his contributions to this thread haven't been more than sheeping and weak accusations.

Also Koshi I have definitely done more than you this game. At the very least my reads have reasons.

I'll be back later.


I think your case is terrible.

I think prplhz's case was much better.
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February 20 2014 14:59 GMT
#560
On February 20 2014 23:57 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 23:56 suki wrote:
From my previous experience with Koshi, these posts are more likely to come from scum Koshi than town Koshi.

This is just off the top of my head because I've gotta go in 10 mins. In Shadowed: The Reboot, Koshi was town and he was active from the start, putting down votes, pressuring, calling out contraditions. In the original Shadowed game, he just talked random shit and wasn't interested in making reads for at least the first part of Day 1.

Koshi's behaviour makes me feel like he's not interested in finding who is scum but is just happy to sheep. Regardless of my meta read on him, his contributions to this thread haven't been more than sheeping and weak accusations.

Also Koshi I have definitely done more than you this game. At the very least my reads have reasons.

I'll be back later.

Since when do mafia openly state they will sheep? Have you ever come across that?

Can you provide evidence of mafia-Koshi doing that like he has in this game?


I'm too lazy to go check but I'm very certain I've often seen mafia openly admit to sheeping.
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February 20 2014 16:12 GMT
#611
On February 21 2014 00:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah i really dont like the koshi case #bandwagon
##vote suki
marv, stop bitching about my absence, ill post when I want to.


vigi pls
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February 20 2014 16:13 GMT
#612
oh he posted more after that

well that other guy then.
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February 20 2014 16:14 GMT
#615
I don't like you.

I'm mad at you for last game cause you're lazy and boring.
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February 20 2014 16:16 GMT
#617
I've said it for a long time. What we need is to give me a 3rd party role every game where my win-con is just to shoot everyone who is bad or lazy or says stupid shit.
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February 20 2014 16:17 GMT
#619
On February 21 2014 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
also comment on the same stuff I asked marv to comment. please, thanks!


I cba finding what you asked about. If you post it again I might.
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February 20 2014 16:19 GMT
#621
On February 21 2014 01:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 01:14 Palmar wrote:
I don't like you.

I'm mad at you for last game cause you're lazy and boring.

its not my fault you dont check meta >.>


I shouldn't need to. People should play to win, not play to their shitty meta.
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February 20 2014 16:28 GMT
#631
On February 21 2014 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's wrong in suki's case is that she says basically same stuff me, Palmar and prplhz talked about earlier. She is not interested in why we do not think that makes Koshi scummy, instead she makes a case where she already knows the stuff she is going to say is "right", it's a safe case because it's already agreed on before it's even posted. But in the end she expresses the thought "i know my case might not be good enough so i'll vote for Toad later on if you guys want to".

I don't see the "this is why Koshi is mafia" type of thing.
I see "here is a safe contribution".

That's my interpretation of that post.


I like this post.

Maybe we can be friends.
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February 20 2014 16:30 GMT
#632
On February 21 2014 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On February 21 2014 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv what do you think about the smurfs whole discourse with Palmar?

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On February 21 2014 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel like a townie wouldve had a conclusion to that whole debacle..

Is suki scummier or townier after her case on Koshi?
Also thoughts on sidesprangs insta vote on balla and nothing else?


These 2.


the first one I already answered and the second one I cba taking a stance on because she writes really boring stuff.

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Palmar
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February 20 2014 16:31 GMT
#635
On February 21 2014 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am kinda interested why you didn't want to be friends with me earlier Palmar.

Because you were saying dumb things. I can't be associated with such.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 16:36 GMT
#639
On February 21 2014 01:34 marvellosity wrote:
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On February 21 2014 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 21 2014 01:30 marvellosity wrote:
On February 21 2014 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 21 2014 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
On February 21 2014 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 21 2014 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv what do you think about the smurfs whole discourse with Palmar?

On February 21 2014 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel like a townie wouldve had a conclusion to that whole debacle..

Is suki scummier or townier after her case on Koshi?
Also thoughts on sidesprangs insta vote on balla and nothing else?


These 2.

marv, whats the point though as scum. It doesnt force balla into any more pressure or chance of mislynch, it gives him no credit as a bus and it paints a huge target on his back. Like he is way more careful in the scum game I played with him in.

There is no point other than he doesn't want to play the game so just makes some random vote.

Meh i disagree, its basically fucking his team over completely.

yes, for both alignments.

well less so for town cause you feel ALL ALONE IN A SEA OF ANGRY PEOPLE. I wouldnt lynch him today off only that post.

Nor would I, unless I was in a particularly vindictive policy-y type mood, or suddenly everyone I thought was mafia looks town at deadline.


I'd lynch him in a heartbeat if I had not good scum targets.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 16:38 GMT
#642
otherwise, vigi pls.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 16:43 GMT
#644
idk if this suki is bad lynchbait or scum.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 16:50 GMT
#650
On February 21 2014 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
well suki has quite a lot of time to prove herself. She's usually quite useful as town and plays a decent mafia game. I think if she's town she's quite capable of showing us, is what i'm getting at


You need to stop with the boring "chill the fuck down guys" act
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 16:53 GMT
#652
Sure, but that implies we shouldn't just steamroll her before she has a chance to do whatever you say she's capable of.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 17:09 GMT
#656
On February 21 2014 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well that's an interesting interpretation..


I think it's a reasonable interpretation.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 17:14 GMT
#658
tl;dr
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 17:19 GMT
#662
Bad Balla.

Vote someone else.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 17:26 GMT
#668
On February 21 2014 02:23 Balla24 wrote:
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On February 21 2014 02:19 Palmar wrote:
Bad Balla.

Vote someone else.


Why? I want him to post. This is definitely his waking hours he should have posted something meaningful already.


Everyone wants him to post. you're delusional if you think you have some god-power to make him do so.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 17:28 GMT
#671
In fact your pressure is as cheap as it gets, and the townie response in that situation would be "I just don't know who to kill so whatever, kill the lazy guy" But instead you're trying to pass it off as something useful.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 17:53 GMT
#687
On February 21 2014 02:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Balla24
needs some lynching:

Quick summary: I checked out Newbie Mini Mafia LI, Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1 and TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart:. If there's some more recent town game I'd be happy to take a look at that but couldn't find him in the Database at all (?!?) and looked at the games linked in his profile. That being said, from what I've seen so far it looks like Balla is a somewhat atypical kind of player. He's someone who plays calm and tries to avoid confrontation when rolling town while playing a lot more in your face when rolling mafia. I don't want to call it trolly because that's not it but ballsy might fit as well. Usually it's the other way around as people, especially new guys, are scared to post when rolling mafia but that does not seem to be the case for Balla24.

Explaining his town-behavior is with a limited amount of posts could be possible but I think it's much better if you look through this yourself: Newbie Mini Mafia LI and see for yourself how reserved and understand he's posting when rolling town. I could give you a couple of posts but it's all over the place.

This doesn't look like what he's done in Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1, TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart: or in this game so far at all.
Take a look at Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1:
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On January 26 2014 07:21 Balla24 wrote:
Nice flower. It's very beautiful.

##vote Balla24

[note from me: election vote for mayor, he's not actually voting himself for lynch]

My people. I am Duke Ballington, ready to purge the city walls of the scum. You will vote me for mayor of this city or you are probably scum. Thank you.

P.S. I'm mason with BlazingHand, just gonna get that out of the way before he gets me modkilled.

On January 26 2014 07:24 Balla24 wrote:
P.S.S You may begin PM'ing me here and on IRC. If you are scum please PM me your scum claim immediately.

On January 26 2014 08:07 Balla24 wrote:
hi again Coag! Vote me for mayor?

On January 26 2014 08:43 Balla24 wrote:
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On January 26 2014 08:41 Tehpoofter wrote:
On January 26 2014 08:26 Balla24 wrote:
You got me!



Balla posted something that was less than a paragraph from my experience playing with her she almost always has longer posts as town. Have to throw that in the scummy category.


not this again -_-

On January 26 2014 10:47 Balla24 wrote:
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On January 26 2014 10:44 kushm4sta wrote:
balla the only thing worse than bum's retarded plan is how you keep discussing it


better than you generically calling people out every couple posts....

On January 26 2014 14:19 Balla24 wrote:
^_^

So seriously though, your explanation to me wasn't really that solid... "worth a try", why do you care? I expect you to know better.

He does not give a crap about what people think about him, or wants to make it look that way. He's playing a lot more ballsy than when he rolled town. This looks nothing like his town game above.
The second game I looked into is a bit harder to pinpoint the same things in single point but it still looks nothing like he town game, just not that extreme as he's no, if I had to it's be something like
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On January 20 2014 09:27 Balla24 wrote:
It's not dumb, but it also just seems like standard stuff. If you are PR obviously you claim if you are going to get lynched, unless i'm missing something.

but that's a cherrypick. But same as the towngame, go through the filter yourself click me! and you'll see it looks nothing like his calm, understanding, good-cop approach he's taking when he's town
Just compare his mafia posts with stuff like this from his town-game and like I said, this may be cherrypicked but that kind of stuff it ALL OVER his filter:
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On January 06 2014 11:22 Balla24 wrote:
Ok, seems reasonable that i'm overthinking it and it's not an attempt to pocket me but more him actually being disappointed with the IC's play so far.

Anyways, him attempting to pocket me isn't really something i see him doing from my experience with him.


Now that that's out here's what I'm seeing him do this game:
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On February 20 2014 08:42 Balla24 wrote:
haha thats retarded... i thought it had something to do with millers and forcing yourself to a claim


On February 20 2014 08:47 Balla24 wrote:
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On February 20 2014 08:46 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody make a case on me so I know who to vote for.

well you're happy which = scum right? scum koshi would need to fake being happy whereas town koshi dgaf even though he is happy

On February 20 2014 08:53 Balla24 wrote:
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On February 20 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
On February 20 2014 08:47 Balla24 wrote:
On February 20 2014 08:46 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody make a case on me so I know who to vote for.

well you're happy which = scum right? scum koshi would need to fake being happy whereas town koshi dgaf even though he is happy

Why are you not voting for me then?

i'm not on jayb's level of making cases based on starting emotion~

On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote:
The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~

On February 20 2014 09:20 Balla24 wrote:
Moi aussi gogo


Add to that that he has questional posts just by himself like:
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On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote:
The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~
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On February 20 2014 09:25 Balla24 wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:22 suki wrote:
Balla is completely in policy talk mode and hasn't even tried to pressure anyone or start anything even though he is clearly here. He also is not playing light hearted like in the previous game where we bulldozed scum.


So is everybody else, only person that is trying to start stuff is prplhz. I don't see anything else that is pressurable like I have in the past 2 games.


That kind of behavior is incredibly hypocritical but whatever, could be anything, right? I don't see that kind of thing happening in his town game. He just does stuff himself and no "hey let's maybe do some shit, right? right?"

Balla24 needs lynching
##vote Balla24


I don't believe this case.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 18:15 GMT
#694
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax420
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 22:22 GMT
#793
##Unvote
##Vote Toad


This wagon is terrible, I don't even know what idiot started it.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 23:18 GMT
#800
On February 21 2014 07:34 prplhz wrote:
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On February 21 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Toad


This wagon is terrible, I don't even know what idiot started it.

what did kush do to make you think he is town


He managed to get all the scummy people voting for him.
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Palmar
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February 20 2014 23:18 GMT
#801
On February 21 2014 07:25 Balla24 wrote:
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On February 21 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Toad


This wagon is terrible, I don't even know what idiot started it.


Can you answer suki here about why you did vote kush in the first place?

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On February 21 2014 06:05 suki wrote:

On February 21 2014 03:15 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax420


@Palmar why did you vote kush right after marv said kush looks scummy? Earlier in the game you thought kush looked town and provided a lot of quotes:

On February 20 2014 21:59 Palmar wrote:
On February 20 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar why do you think kush is town?


I like some points he's made.

On February 20 2014 09:13 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that.


wait so you are implying that scum is going to be afraid of the default votes enough to come up with a plan like that?


On February 20 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote:
toad you are backtracking so hard. it's not serious, yet you gave shitty but serious reasons for it.


On February 20 2014 12:06 VIVAX420 wrote:
why vote prpl? just because of the contradiction in that post you quoted? it wasn't so much a contradiction as it was a realization that marv had a good point.

On February 20 2014 12:09 VIVAX420 wrote:
rayn nvm that garbage you are pushing. I think you are misunderstanding the intentions behind that post. It's like "hmmm this was my argument, but then again marv has a good point"
prpl seems really pro town so far.
~~
What do you think of toad?




What changed?



nah
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:14 GMT
#928
On February 21 2014 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On February 21 2014 11:18 prplhz wrote:
On February 21 2014 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
why would Palmar do that as scum.

what do i know maybe he doesn't want to push a guy to a lynch who is town or maybe he likes a toad lynch better or whatever make something up

don't you think it's weird that palmar is making bad associative reads?

I dont think palmar is making 'bad' associative reads, I think that associative reads day 1 are bad but Palmar is perfectly justified for not being sure when like all of his scumreads jump on someone he thinks is scum.

You're wrong, associative reads are terrible.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:17 GMT
#930
Rayn is my hero.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:17 GMT
#931
On February 21 2014 19:16 marvellosity wrote:
stop trolling Palmar

You're just mad cause rayn called you scum. Get over it.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:22 GMT
#933
This game is officially fun now btw. Everyone is being a completely clueless tryhard, it's great.

I am a big fan of all these newbies who try. Even shitters like Oats, Kush and that vigbait guy can't drag me down now.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:23 GMT
#935
On February 21 2014 19:19 marvellosity wrote:
no, I'm telling you to stop trolling which is nothing to do with that, stop being a prick.


Quiz time.

I trolled, sure. I did a few things (specifically those that suki asked me about) that are sort of strange. What was the real "troll" move, as in which action or post is the one I did only to see what would happen if I did it?
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:24 GMT
#936
On February 21 2014 19:22 marvellosity wrote:
Shame you stopped playing yesterday evening then, right?


I was playing ability draft dota. That thing is just as retarded as this game. It's amazing.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:25 GMT
#937
On February 21 2014 19:23 Palmar wrote:
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On February 21 2014 19:19 marvellosity wrote:
no, I'm telling you to stop trolling which is nothing to do with that, stop being a prick.


Quiz time.

I trolled, sure. I did a few things (specifically those that suki asked me about) that are sort of strange. What was the real "troll" move, as in which action or post is the one I did only to see what would happen if I did it?


was it:

a) Voting Vivax
b) Unvoting and back on Toad
or
c) refusing to explain anything.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:30 GMT
#938
wow such no response very sad
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:31 GMT
#939
friend...

pls respond ...

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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:33 GMT
#941
I'm really fun and at least I haven't called you scum yet.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:36 GMT
#943
Are you sure you want me to call you scum? Didn't you ragequit the game last time I did?
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:40 GMT
#946
So are you gonna leave the thread? Or do you want to hang around so I can bounce ideas?
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:41 GMT
#947
Btw this is the most boring smurf I've ever seen. Goddamnit smurf.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:42 GMT
#949
I wish my other hero was around too. President prplhz.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:46 GMT
#954
I didn't see much scummy in Balla's filler tbh.

I'd actually rather lynch Kosher.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 10:54 GMT
#961
On February 21 2014 19:53 Koshi wrote:
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On February 21 2014 19:46 Palmar wrote:
I didn't see much scummy in Balla's filler tbh.

I'd actually rather lynch Kosher.

you bad.
your day 1 is bad.
you should feel bad.

marv I got a new list

Toad/Kush/Palmar


That's pretty dumb.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:09 GMT
#983
In the same post Toad wrote this:

On February 20 2014 10:30 Toadesstern wrote:
I voted him because I like voting rayn after the last game we had together, just look at the post I quoted while voting him. I think that was the first game we had together so no I don't really know how he plays considering that I ragequited because of him on d2. At least I don't recall any other game.

Do you honestly think I'm going after him in all seriousness right now instead of just taking sidestabs at him for last game?


Which seems to imply that his push on rayn is not serious, shouldn't be considered a real push and is more of a jest

And this

On February 20 2014 10:30 Toadesstern wrote:
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Toadesstern wrote:
I didn't feel the need to vote myself and revote you for a more dramatic expression of my desire to get you lynched.

I had the same idea as prplhz had and said I can't think of a reason why a town would want to proppose this and I'd still like to see his reasoning for all this.


Which directly contradicts the first quote, as here he looks like he has actual concrete reasons for going after rayn and expresses a desire to lynch him (in a previous post).

It's a really good point by marv, and I said as much at the time.

Which is also why I'm having a massively hard time figuring out rayn, cause I think he's town, but unless he can explain to me this marv thing (I'll admit, I'll never, ever catch marv as scum on day 1 as long as he doesn't try to push stuff that's stupid), I can't be sure.

I also very much didn't like how he tried to portray something I found very natural as a contradiction (I think it was prplhz who said it)

I don't think Toad understood or answered the accusation of contradiction marv brought up at all. He started talking about timing I think, but seeing as he contradicts himself in the same post I don't think that can be a reasonable explanation.

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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:09 GMT
#985
oh fuck

the above is in response to

On February 21 2014 11:13 prplhz wrote:
i don't think i gave a read on toad so let me say that i never really understood the case (rayn's 3 options and that stuff) at all but i don't think he did a lot this game so i'm not opposed to a toad lynch at all
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:11 GMT
#987
On February 21 2014 20:01 Koshi wrote:
Palmar wtf are you currently doing?


I'm at work, writing scripts, writing mafia posts.

It's good fun.

what are you doing?
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:16 GMT
#996
On February 21 2014 20:15 Koshi wrote:
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On February 21 2014 20:11 Palmar wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:01 Koshi wrote:
Palmar wtf are you currently doing?


I'm at work, writing scripts, writing mafia posts.

It's good fun.

what are you doing?

I agree that your posts are quite mafia.


^^
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:18 GMT
#998
On February 21 2014 20:15 Toadesstern wrote:
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On February 21 2014 20:13 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:09 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:04 marvellosity wrote:
On February 21 2014 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm calling you a liar because you're a liar. I've got you in my bottom 5 people if that makes you happy. I wouldn't exactly call that townie and if you look through my filter you'll actually find me mentioning you doing weird shit like that a lot.
I don't have a case on you so I'm left with that, especially since I still think Balla's an awesome lynch for today.

If you are calling me an outright liar and you are town, then I am 100% mafia to you.

But you're not doing that.

Cos you're mafia

that's because the first 2 attempts could have been retardation while the 3rd attempt happened when I wasn't in here and I just got back

Btw marv, seems like your point about how I frequently played with rayn is, yes I know you didn't phrase it like that but it sure did read like that, I wasn't the only one reading it that way and it did feel like a poor attempt to paint me as mafia was considered to be bullshit by most people as well. At the least rayn, NotVixax and I all called it complete bullshit, yet you're boasting about how it's been so awesome and right...


How much more do I need to call you mafia? I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter

That isn't calling me mafia though. That's dancing around calling me mafia.

Pretty massive difference. Btw you said "bottom 5" and now you're trying to argue you're calling me mafia. You suck.

read the fucking post
I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter

Like this is the 4th time I mention this but I apparently have to: I specifically mentioned that I will try to not play as hypno-toad and will play more thought through so no I'm not going to call you 100% mafia without a second of a thought or any checking up on it because that's EXACTLY what I'm trying to get rid off.
[/b]

marv isn't wrong though.

If you say he knows he's lying, marv is scum. Townies don't lie to get people lynched.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:20 GMT
#999
Unless it's language difficulties, and you meant to say "marv is wrong, and this is why". Accusing him of lying heavily implies that you think it's deliberate.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:27 GMT
#1003
On February 21 2014 20:23 Toadesstern wrote:
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On February 21 2014 20:18 Palmar wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:15 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:13 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:09 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:04 marvellosity wrote:
On February 21 2014 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm calling you a liar because you're a liar. I've got you in my bottom 5 people if that makes you happy. I wouldn't exactly call that townie and if you look through my filter you'll actually find me mentioning you doing weird shit like that a lot.
I don't have a case on you so I'm left with that, especially since I still think Balla's an awesome lynch for today.

If you are calling me an outright liar and you are town, then I am 100% mafia to you.

But you're not doing that.

Cos you're mafia

that's because the first 2 attempts could have been retardation while the 3rd attempt happened when I wasn't in here and I just got back

Btw marv, seems like your point about how I frequently played with rayn is, yes I know you didn't phrase it like that but it sure did read like that, I wasn't the only one reading it that way and it did feel like a poor attempt to paint me as mafia was considered to be bullshit by most people as well. At the least rayn, NotVixax and I all called it complete bullshit, yet you're boasting about how it's been so awesome and right...


How much more do I need to call you mafia? I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter

That isn't calling me mafia though. That's dancing around calling me mafia.

Pretty massive difference. Btw you said "bottom 5" and now you're trying to argue you're calling me mafia. You suck.

read the fucking post
I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter

Like this is the 4th time I mention this but I apparently have to: I specifically mentioned that I will try to not play as hypno-toad and will play more thought through so no I'm not going to call you 100% mafia without a second of a thought or any checking up on it because that's EXACTLY what I'm trying to get rid off.


marv isn't wrong though.

If you say he knows he's lying, marv is scum. Townies don't lie to get people lynched.

Have you ever tried to get rid of a mistake you're doing repeatedly?


What is this mistake thing? Is it a disease?

Go away then, read marv's filter and figure out [b]WHY he is in your opinion wrong on you. Either he is wrong because he's lying and thus must be scum, or he's horribly mistaken.

You need to explain that.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:28 GMT
#1004
On February 21 2014 20:22 marvellosity wrote:
you've had some bad luck quoting people with broken tags this game Palmar


Those last ones are on me actually, I was cutting up posts.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:29 GMT
#1006
Marv there isn't enough scum in this game. We need to fix this.

I was thinking of writing a classic Palmar list style post, I actually have it ready, but the problem is I only have one person in the Scum group, and 2 people in vigipls group.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:32 GMT
#1009
Koshi you're actually in my "idk" tier

But you're one of the more scummy ones in that tier, specifically because of what prplhz pointed out. Although today you've been very much not scumkosher so idk. Yesterday I'd have stuck you in "maybe scum" tier.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:37 GMT
#1013
Btw, I don't think Kush is scum, or at least I think there isn't enough evidence. If it wasn't for sidesprang and Oats I'd suggest him as a good vigipls target tonight.

He made a few good comments, and that is sorta consistent with what I'd expect from town kush. Maybe I'm short-selling him because I think kush is one of the worst players on TL, but meh. If he does _anything_ non-useless at all he gets town points.

I voted him just to see what would happen.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 11:40 GMT
#1014
Btw @Koshi:

I have 4 people in my two "town-tiers". Three of them are prplhz, marv and I. you get extra town points if you're attentive enough about me (you should be, you said I'm scum) go guess the fourth person.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 12:17 GMT
#1023
On February 21 2014 20:50 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 20:45 marvellosity wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:44 Koshi wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:40 Palmar wrote:
Btw @Koshi:

I have 4 people in my two "town-tiers". Three of them are prplhz, marv and I. you get extra town points if you're attentive enough about me (you should be, you said I'm scum) go guess the fourth person.

it better be rayn.

Do you think rayn calling me mafia is townie, Koshi? why else do you have him solid town now?

Biggest filter & Driven.
Calling you mafia does not make him mafia even if you say he does it when he is mafia. Not this game. He was also too smug about it. Is he normally smug about it?


Love this post. Koshi promoted.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:18 GMT
#1024
On February 21 2014 20:45 Koshi wrote:
And people that put themselves in their lists are silly. Many people do this silly thing though.


I feel like I should always be on lists because when I post them it gives the other townies something to aspire to.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:20 GMT
#1026
Tier list:

God tier:
Palmar
prplhz


probably town tier:
marv
Balla

leaning town tier
Vivax
rayn
Kosher


null tier
Smurf

Vigipls tier:
sidesprang
Oatsmaster


Maybe scum tier:
Suki


Scum tier:
Toad
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:21 GMT
#1027
I could discuss lynching suki over Toad. But I don't think there are many other wagons I'd support today.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:23 GMT
#1030
On February 21 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote:
that doesn't even make sense.


I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out over a black sea of ignorance.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:23 GMT
#1031
On February 21 2014 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
I like the effort with the formatting. Nice distinctions between the levels.

mafia palmar would never format this well. 100% townie guaranteed.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 12:31 GMT
#1034
I am almost always terribly wrong on one mafia and call him town, so you could check out in my top 7.

But I think toad is a good day 1 lynch.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:32 GMT
#1035
prplhz is god tier because he's best friend and awesome townie.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:35 GMT
#1038
So you'd leave me alone in god tier!

nice.
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:41 GMT
#1040
no taking back, from now on you must consider me confirmed town and leader of town for the rest of the game.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:46 GMT
#1044
Such circlejerk this thread right now. And I mean the metaphor, not the penis touching actual version.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 12:53 GMT
#1049
I wouldn't mind lynching oats tomorrow.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:53 GMT
#1051
today we hang toad.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:55 GMT
#1053
this thread seriously lacks drama I agree.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 12:56 GMT
#1055
significantly less raging than last game I played, that's good. I don't like the inane raging. I only like funny raging, ie when someone is so mad that it's funny. Not this fake-rage bullshit.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 13:07 GMT
#1062
On February 21 2014 22:05 VIVAX420 wrote:
yeah but if you read his posts close he never really indicates that he has a strong inclination that rayn is scum.


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Palmar
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February 21 2014 13:07 GMT
#1064
the point went over your head.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 13:08 GMT
#1065
*wwooooosh*
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 13:09 GMT
#1067
http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/b/b8/Wdoc_ability_cask_06.mp3
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 13:14 GMT
#1070
I have a plan. If toad flips mafia we lynch Oats, if he flips town we lynch kush.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 13:15 GMT
#1072
DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING KUSH DID YA?
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 13:23 GMT
#1079
On February 21 2014 22:19 VIVAX420 wrote:
you cannot lynch me for owning you palmar.


au contraire bitch, just watch me.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 13:24 GMT
#1081
On February 21 2014 22:22 VIVAX420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
It felt to me like he made a decision on Palmar way too early based off like 1-2 posts then he kept pressing and pressing, he wasnt satisfied with any reasonable answer about Palmar not having a read on rayn, he really wanted that read on Rayn. And there was literally no conclusion, Smurf just gave up or something? and moved on to other things without ever posting a final read or a vote.

Too contrived and forced=scummy.


so it's scummy to want a read on someone now?


I had already answered him at the time, I said I couldn't make a conclusion one way or the other, but this boring ass smurf kept harping on about it.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 13:28 GMT
#1088
Thanks for stopping by.

NEXT
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 13:53 GMT
#1095
On February 21 2014 22:49 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 21:21 Palmar wrote:
I could discuss lynching suki over Toad. But I don't think there are many other wagons I'd support today.


Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:14 Palmar wrote:
I have a plan. If toad flips mafia we lynch Oats, if he flips town we lynch kush.


Palmar any reason why you're lynching your 'vigi please' tier over me when you clearly are focused on lynching either me or Toad today?


Nah
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 13:56 GMT
#1097
how about you sheep this justice lynch on toad?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 13:56 GMT
#1098
Also you called me scum with bad reasons, so I don't like you that much.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 14:01 GMT
#1100
Hell I'm scared of girls and I live with 2.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 14:05 GMT
#1105
On February 21 2014 23:04 marvellosity wrote:
you thought he was scummy yesterday and now you're hopping on his lynch


It's really your lynch until he flips scum, after that it's my lynch.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 14:06 GMT
#1106
On February 21 2014 23:05 suki wrote:
Palmar tell me why my case is bad and why that makes me scummy.

And marv, if he does say 'oops I forgot about you' and then continues to push my lynch then there's some dissonance going on there. Because if he feels so strongly about me being scum but he's willing to lynch two 'vigi please' people over me (since vigi please is higher on the list), then his story and his actions don't check out.


I guess I'm just a two-faced bastard.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 14:09 GMT
#1110
Ok I'll answer serious.

On February 21 2014 23:05 suki wrote:
Palmar tell me why my case is bad

Because I'm not scum and thus by definition your reasons for voting me were bad.

On February 21 2014 23:05 suki wrote:
and why that makes me scummy.

I didn't say that was the reason I think you may be scum.

Now sheep onto Toad pls.

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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 14:09 GMT
#1111
ok gj suko
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 14:11 GMT
#1117
On February 21 2014 23:07 prplhz wrote:
he was never scum tier material, i just thought he was acting a little odd but i accept that it could just have been a "vote this and lets see what happens" kind of thing, i think he's done that plenty of times before

he seems like he's in a very jolly mood and i think that points at town. i think he likes town more than scum. he's also really smart and amazing

also this toad lynch is more yours than his


http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/a1f0d78fadc07b34ec68ac69dd5b74a07c805fad_m.gif
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 14:12 GMT
#1118
[image loading]

and now with 100% more img tags.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 14:12 GMT
#1120
On February 21 2014 23:09 suki wrote:
you could at least spell my name right


Who was the last guy who tried to correct his name? giggles?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 14:15 GMT
#1124
He clearly said that he agreed with my placement of you respectively, so by extension he thinks balla is town-looking and you're scum-looking.

pls read.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 14:18 GMT
#1129
On February 21 2014 23:16 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
On February 21 2014 23:07 prplhz wrote:
he was never scum tier material, i just thought he was acting a little odd but i accept that it could just have been a "vote this and lets see what happens" kind of thing, i think he's done that plenty of times before

he seems like he's in a very jolly mood and i think that points at town. i think he likes town more than scum.

also this toad lynch is more yours than his

yes I said "his" because you were attacking Palmar and Palmar is championing toad, not because Palmar specifically started the lynch.

it wasn't really an attack, it was just a "bah i don't like railroading anyone, not even toad, lets see if something odd is happening that i can prod at" and then palmar did something odd and i pointed it out.

maybe he is championing it but i really still consider it your lynch because he's using your arguments. i guess in reality it the arguments' lynch but they're your arguments so it's kind of your lynch. doesn't matter all that much whose lynch it is though i guess.

what do you think about oats? is he another "leave him be and we'll figure him out"?


It matters tomorrow when I go 180 berzerk on marv for leading a mislynch on a townie.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 14:19 GMT
#1130
On February 21 2014 23:17 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 23:16 prplhz wrote:
On February 21 2014 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
On February 21 2014 23:07 prplhz wrote:
he was never scum tier material, i just thought he was acting a little odd but i accept that it could just have been a "vote this and lets see what happens" kind of thing, i think he's done that plenty of times before

he seems like he's in a very jolly mood and i think that points at town. i think he likes town more than scum.

also this toad lynch is more yours than his

yes I said "his" because you were attacking Palmar and Palmar is championing toad, not because Palmar specifically started the lynch.

it wasn't really an attack, it was just a "bah i don't like railroading anyone, not even toad, lets see if something odd is happening that i can prod at" and then palmar did something odd and i pointed it out.

maybe he is championing it but i really still consider it your lynch because he's using your arguments. i guess in reality it the arguments' lynch but they're your arguments so it's kind of your lynch. doesn't matter all that much whose lynch it is though i guess.

what do you think about oats? is he another "leave him be and we'll figure him out"?

yes it's irrelevant, i was explaining why i said his. ergo you said palmar was shady and palmar was championing toad. literally nothing more to it.

i have no idea about oats at all. not sure we'll figure him out eventually either.


I suggest the rope+tree investigative method.

100% success rate.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 14:21 GMT
#1133
On February 21 2014 23:19 marvellosity wrote:
problem is you get lynched in that scenario palmar


challenge accepted.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 14:24 GMT
#1136
On February 21 2014 23:22 marvellosity wrote:
I wouldn't even rage though, it'd be no fun.

yeah, it needs to be an actual challenge for it to be fun.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 14:38 GMT
#1156
On February 21 2014 23:31 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
ok, just carrying on looking through Smurf's filter. The biggest problem I have at the end of it is that after all his catchup posts he actually has no conclusions about anything, at all.

I have no real idea what Smurf thinks about anything.

That's because I didn't really have any scumreads at the end. Strongest suspicion was on Suki. Currently it's on Toad. Too many scummy things, something that happened in Shadow as well yet everyone decided to not lynch him for it. The contradiction and his focus on defending himself, calling you a liar but not scum, all counts in for it.

##Unvote
##Vote Toadesstern


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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 14:39 GMT
#1157
On February 21 2014 23:38 suki wrote:
Great. You go ahead and sheep your way to victory. I should try that some time instead of wasting all this effort.


I'd be all for you spending time on the game if you were doing something useful with your time.

List of not useful things: Calling me scum.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 21 2014 14:48 GMT
#1168
On February 21 2014 23:43 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 23:38 Palmar wrote:
On February 21 2014 23:31 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
On February 21 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
ok, just carrying on looking through Smurf's filter. The biggest problem I have at the end of it is that after all his catchup posts he actually has no conclusions about anything, at all.

I have no real idea what Smurf thinks about anything.

That's because I didn't really have any scumreads at the end. Strongest suspicion was on Suki. Currently it's on Toad. Too many scummy things, something that happened in Shadow as well yet everyone decided to not lynch him for it. The contradiction and his focus on defending himself, calling you a liar but not scum, all counts in for it.

##Unvote
##Vote Toadesstern


[image loading]

I thought suki and Toad were suspicious, but I didn't have a strong inclination at the time which was why my vote was on myself. Is that so strange?


can you believe this guy?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 14:48 GMT
#1170
Smurf, you're fired.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 14:57 GMT
#1177
What's dodgy about it?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 15:00 GMT
#1179
That's not why I did the headexplode thing.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 15:08 GMT
#1187
On February 22 2014 00:03 suki wrote:
I don't like oats.


No one likes oats.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 15:11 GMT
#1191
On February 22 2014 00:08 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 00:08 Palmar wrote:
On February 22 2014 00:03 suki wrote:
I don't like oats.


No one likes oats.


What's the point in you and marv bringing this up?


You have known me for 50 pages now. Do you not already know better than to keep asking if there is a point to what I do?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 15:11 GMT
#1192
This suko.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 15:11 GMT
#1194
On February 22 2014 00:08 marvellosity wrote:
TOO SLOW


I went afk to get some coke, and then I had to actually do work for like 3 minutes.

My bad
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 15:23 GMT
#1200
On February 22 2014 00:11 VIVAX420 wrote:
I will quit mafia forever if toad is town

I'm holding you to that.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 15:24 GMT
#1201
On February 22 2014 00:17 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 00:03 suki wrote:
I don't like oats.

On February 21 2014 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 21 2014 11:28 Balla24 wrote:
On February 21 2014 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
why do you care suki?


Can you explain the motivation behind this oats?

It seems like suki is set on calling rayn town so I dont see why she cares about what rayn has to say about marv considering its almost certaintly gonna be wrong.


Oats sees me as scum. Rayn is voting marv and trying to make an association case of me and marv.
Why is what rayn says about marv 'almost certainly going to be wrong'? This made sense to me at first because I'm like, 'I'm town, rayn's town pushing scum marv/suki so probably wrong', but if Oats sees me as scum how is rayn's push almost certainly wrong?

On February 21 2014 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah yeah lets lynch palmar gogogogogo vote.

On February 21 2014 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 21 2014 11:18 prplhz wrote:
On February 21 2014 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
why would Palmar do that as scum.

what do i know maybe he doesn't want to push a guy to a lynch who is town or maybe he likes a toad lynch better or whatever make something up

don't you think it's weird that palmar is making bad associative reads?

I dont think palmar is making 'bad' associative reads, I think that associative reads day 1 are bad but Palmar is perfectly justified for not being sure when like all of his scumreads jump on someone he thinks is scum.


Why is he saying lets lynch Palmar gogogo after prplhz me and Balla bring up that Palmar's been odd, and then a few posts later completely defending Palmar. There's no cohesion in his thoughts.

the lynch palmar gogogoo was ironic


I don't actually know english, but I think that was sarcastic, not ironic.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 15:27 GMT
#1203
Maybe, I wouldn't know. Ég er talsvert betri í íslensku en ég er í ensku.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 15:29 GMT
#1207
On February 22 2014 00:27 VIVAX420 wrote:
Omg Palmer you tried to sound smart and you failed


I never try to sound smart.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 15:40 GMT
#1210
On February 22 2014 00:29 prplhz wrote:
i didn't know either so i looked it up on wiktionary which says that irony can be "A statement that, when taken in context, may actually mean something different from, or the opposite of, what is written literally; the use of words expressing something other than their literal intention, often in a humorous context." and the then i thought that the "different from, or the opposite of" part fitted quite well


Yes, I'm reading up on it now and it seems like irony is basically when the result is the opposite of the expected result. Sarcasm is what Oatsmaster did, but it is somewhat of a subset of irony, in the sense that it still relies on a result being opposite of what's expected (he said x, but he meant !x)
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 15:52 GMT
#1214
I said I think with with disclaimer that I don't english.

Í raun ættum við sem erum ekki alin upp við að tala ensku að fá einhvers konar forskot í þessum leik. T.d. væri ég til í að vera með byssu til að skjóta alla þá sem segja heimskulega hluti eða á annan hátt eiga það skilið.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 17:57 GMT
#1292
On February 22 2014 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
What do you think of smurf being so super sure that palmar is town?
Show nested quote +
Accusing Palmar for instance is something I wouldn't expect you to do as scum, and your thought process aligned with plprhz on whom I have a strong townread, which is another point in your favour, so right now I'm leaning town.


Like if palmar is scum then this point is totally moot but smurf never mentions palmar at all which is interesting considering his read is so strong.


Good post, I'm impressed.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 18:01 GMT
#1297
Well rayn thinks you're scum. And if Toad flips town you're like 99% scum marv. ez.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 18:04 GMT
#1303
On February 22 2014 03:03 Balla24 wrote:
haha ok whatever~

##vote toadesterrn


I'm a day lynchilante. Post your list RIGHT NOW or I'm lynching you in the face.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 18:05 GMT
#1305
No waiting Balla, post it.

If you take more than 2 minutes, I'm assuming you're making up having a list.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 21 2014 18:11 GMT
#1312
On February 22 2014 03:06 Balla24 wrote:
I already posted my list palmar are you not reading?


oh, I see that tl;dr post I ignored was kind of a list.

nvm then, carry on.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 18:16 GMT
#1316
On February 22 2014 03:12 Balla24 wrote:
Palmar are you ever going to answer? If not you need to tell me why not because it's very obnoxious.

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On February 21 2014 08:32 Balla24 wrote:
On February 21 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote:
On February 21 2014 07:25 Balla24 wrote:
On February 21 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Toad


This wagon is terrible, I don't even know what idiot started it.


Can you answer suki here about why you did vote kush in the first place?

On February 21 2014 06:05 suki wrote:

On February 21 2014 03:15 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax420


@Palmar why did you vote kush right after marv said kush looks scummy? Earlier in the game you thought kush looked town and provided a lot of quotes:

On February 20 2014 21:59 Palmar wrote:
On February 20 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar why do you think kush is town?


I like some points he's made.

On February 20 2014 09:13 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that.


wait so you are implying that scum is going to be afraid of the default votes enough to come up with a plan like that?


On February 20 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote:
toad you are backtracking so hard. it's not serious, yet you gave shitty but serious reasons for it.


On February 20 2014 12:06 VIVAX420 wrote:
why vote prpl? just because of the contradiction in that post you quoted? it wasn't so much a contradiction as it was a realization that marv had a good point.

On February 20 2014 12:09 VIVAX420 wrote:
rayn nvm that garbage you are pushing. I think you are misunderstanding the intentions behind that post. It's like "hmmm this was my argument, but then again marv has a good point"
prpl seems really pro town so far.
~~
What do you think of toad?




What changed?



nah


I don't see any possible reason for you to withhold that reasoning. Regardless, if you think suki and I are scummy. Then why are you voting toad? What do you think of toad's case on me beyond "I don't believe it", why don't you believe it etc etc...

What about suki's case on me? and has your opinion of suki changed since you sheeped on rayn? She's posted plenty since then.



Probably not no.
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Palmar
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February 21 2014 18:17 GMT
#1317
On February 22 2014 03:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On February 22 2014 03:09 Balla24 wrote:
Also Oats you asked me why i'm always uncomfortable with you. It's because you always play the same on day1, it's always the same shitty post random read with no explanation and expect people to see what you see and then hop between people like it's nothing just egging on random conversations. There's never anything super townie. It's the same here.

YOU HAVENT SEEN ME PLAY SCUM DUDE WHATTTTTT. CLEARLY IF I ALWAYS PLAY THE SAME THEN IM TOWN RIGHT....


flawless logic. Oats new townmaster.
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February 21 2014 18:17 GMT
#1318
On February 22 2014 03:14 Balla24 wrote:
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On February 22 2014 03:11 Palmar wrote:
On February 22 2014 03:06 Balla24 wrote:
I already posted my list palmar are you not reading?


oh, I see that tl;dr post I ignored was kind of a list.

nvm then, carry on.


i mean... the whole post was a list... just providing indepth reasoning for the mafia/town part and little reasoning for the questionable people and why they arent in the mafia and town section


I'm not even on the list. I'm really hurt now.
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February 21 2014 18:36 GMT
#1329
I'm with townmaster oats. lynch the smurf
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February 21 2014 20:39 GMT
#1392
On February 22 2014 04:32 Balla24 wrote:
@Palmar, how come you switched off kush because "scummy people are voting" for him yet you aren't switching off toad?


I'm not falling for your tricks trickster
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February 21 2014 20:49 GMT
#1400
rayn my brother we avenge towntoad death with marv blood tomorrow.
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February 21 2014 21:20 GMT
#1418
On February 22 2014 06:13 prplhz wrote:
this thread is no fun right now


I disagree, I think it's hilarious. I'm thinking about getting drunk and watching rayn post for the rest of the evening.
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February 21 2014 21:36 GMT
#1429
Wow, I'm not even top tier anymore
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February 21 2014 21:38 GMT
#1430
Rayn should we lynch the smurf instead?
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February 21 2014 21:40 GMT
#1432
evil marv.
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February 21 2014 21:44 GMT
#1439
On February 22 2014 06:41 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Palmar why do you want to lynch me?


Because you're boring.
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February 21 2014 21:45 GMT
#1441
On February 22 2014 06:43 Balla24 wrote:
Palmar why do you keep not answering my questions?


Yeah I keep doing that don't I...

sorry about that.
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February 21 2014 21:45 GMT
#1442
On February 22 2014 06:44 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
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On February 22 2014 06:44 Palmar wrote:
On February 22 2014 06:41 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Palmar why do you want to lynch me?


Because you're boring.

I'm not though. I'm very entertaining.
Do you think I'm scum?


Sure, yeah, let's say that.

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February 21 2014 21:46 GMT
#1446
On February 22 2014 06:46 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
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On February 22 2014 06:45 Palmar wrote:
On February 22 2014 06:44 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
On February 22 2014 06:44 Palmar wrote:
On February 22 2014 06:41 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Palmar why do you want to lynch me?


Because you're boring.

I'm not though. I'm very entertaining.
Do you think I'm scum?


Sure, yeah, let's say that.


Could you expand on why? It'd be appreciative if I didn't have to play the dentist here.

Usually when people are scum it's because the role got assigned to them by the host. So that's what I'm going with.
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February 21 2014 21:48 GMT
#1451
On February 22 2014 06:47 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
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On February 22 2014 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
Smurf you've not been entertaining

Will posting random gifs help make me entertaining?
[image loading]


gifs need context, now you're just being a tryhard.
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February 21 2014 21:50 GMT
#1455
On February 22 2014 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
you're the dude on the right Palmar. Sexy.

I won't deny those dance moves are eerily familiar.
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February 21 2014 21:59 GMT
#1457
it'd be such a shame if toad flipped town, this amazing partnership you and I have got going would have to end.

Although on the bright side kush wouldn't be refusing to play in any more games.
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February 21 2014 22:15 GMT
#1459
Toad isn't even bothering. wow.
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February 22 2014 00:02 GMT
#1487
well played Palmar.

#rekt
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February 22 2014 00:09 GMT
#1496
On February 22 2014 09:08 Koshi wrote:
imo suki scumslipped.

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On February 21 2014 23:38 suki wrote:
Great. You go ahead and sheep your way to victory. I should try that some time instead of wasting all this effort.



I agree.

We'll be accepting your concede tonight scumteam.
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February 22 2014 00:13 GMT
#1498
also everyone who voted kush randomly in the middle of the day is really scummy
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February 22 2014 00:52 GMT
#1537
docs on marv I guess.

goodbye cruel world
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February 22 2014 00:58 GMT
#1543
tomorrow we lynch the smurf.
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February 22 2014 00:59 GMT
#1546
On February 22 2014 09:58 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
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On February 22 2014 09:58 Palmar wrote:
tomorrow we lynch the smurf.

Except we don't because I'm town and I don't get mislynched.

challenge accepted.
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February 22 2014 08:12 GMT
#1647
On February 22 2014 12:04 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
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On February 22 2014 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
reveal your identity pls

No. I'm smurfing for a reason.


Actually I think YOU THINK you're smurfing for a reason, but you really aren't. You've probably convinced yourself people give a shit about your meta, when they don't, and you think this will somehow help you. You're not doing anything interesting with this smurf, just being a boring normal player, why can't you be a boring normal player on your main account?
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February 22 2014 08:14 GMT
#1648
Slam seems to be trying so I'd have no problem with vigis going after that damn smurf.
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February 22 2014 12:25 GMT
#1664
On February 22 2014 18:46 VIVAX420 wrote:
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On February 22 2014 17:12 Palmar wrote:
On February 22 2014 12:04 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
On February 22 2014 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
reveal your identity pls

No. I'm smurfing for a reason.


Actually I think YOU THINK you're smurfing for a reason, but you really aren't. You've probably convinced yourself people give a shit about your meta, when they don't, and you think this will somehow help you. You're not doing anything interesting with this smurf, just being a boring normal player, why can't you be a boring normal player on your main account?


why did you write this palmar


I didn't write this.
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February 22 2014 13:21 GMT
#1705
On February 22 2014 22:18 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Rayn if you could read my filter and realize there's no way I can be scum that'd be dandy. I don't like getting mislynched even if we're near guaranteed to win.


Don't even care if you're scum. Would like to lynch you for boring anyway.
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February 22 2014 14:30 GMT
#1751
rayn, enough insane theories this game. prplhz is town.
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Palmar
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February 22 2014 14:32 GMT
#1752
Tomorrow we lynch the smurf, he can only be scum.

The only reason you'd ever want to smurf to play normally is if you're an extremely good player who has limited time and is thus is afraid of being misjudged based on less time than usual. Thus it's fair to assume the smurf is an extremely good player.

Now smurf seems to have plenty of time, and he has done and said some incredibly dumb and bad things, so the only reasonable explanation is that he's scum.

Tomorrow we lynch him.
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February 22 2014 14:37 GMT
#1756
On February 22 2014 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 22 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote:
Tomorrow we lynch the smurf, he can only be scum.

The only reason you'd ever want to smurf to play normally is if you're an extremely good player who has limited time and is thus is afraid of being misjudged based on less time than usual. Thus it's fair to assume the smurf is an extremely good player.

Now smurf seems to have plenty of time, and he has done and said some incredibly dumb and bad things, so the only reasonable explanation is that he's scum.

Tomorrow we lynch him.

I don't think this hold water unless you can prove who the smurf is.
I've seen plenty of non-top-tier players smurf for various reasons.


Then they're dumb and should be lynched anyway. My logic is flawless.
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February 22 2014 14:37 GMT
#1757
also balla is like super confirmed town or something.
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February 22 2014 14:37 GMT
#1758
We should just lynch rayn before he wifoms us into lynching the host.
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February 22 2014 14:43 GMT
#1763
On February 22 2014 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
why does he call me scum when I play like town Palmar?


because you never play like town. I don't think you play like scum either, you just play like shit all the time.
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February 22 2014 14:48 GMT
#1767
On February 22 2014 23:45 marvellosity wrote:
that smurf case was awful


100% legit case. I'll give you mafia lessons for 30$ hour so you can be good like me one day.
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February 22 2014 14:56 GMT
#1770
On February 22 2014 23:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On February 22 2014 23:43 Palmar wrote:
On February 22 2014 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
why does he call me scum when I play like town Palmar?


because you never play like town. I don't think you play like scum either, you just play like shit all the time.

well I meant he says Im playing the exact same way I played for 2 games, both in which i was town.


So what you're saying is that we need a special Oats vigi every game to shoot you just we don't have to bother?
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February 22 2014 15:22 GMT
#1785
On February 23 2014 00:15 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Palmar do you actually believe the garbage you're vomiting into the thread or are you just doing anything you can to get me lynched? If it's the former I may have to policy you for being dumber than Mafiascum players.

go ahead and see how thatll work out for you scum
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February 22 2014 15:23 GMT
#1788
prome isn't this dumb
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February 22 2014 15:33 GMT
#1796
On February 23 2014 00:30 suki wrote:
kush you played with Balla in Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1. He is much more careful in what he says, much less confident. He can't even produce content the way he has this game as scum, much less attack a player the way he did. It doesn't even have to be rayn. Scum balla just doesn't play this way.

I really find it weird that you don't see this seeing as you clearly saw the difference in NM:E1

beginning of game
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On January 20 2014 09:34 kushm4sta wrote:
yo i sort of scum coached this newbie where balla was town. This guy is sick. I am expecting amazing reads from him.


mid-game when people were calling balla out for being scummy and kush was voting balla.
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On January 21 2014 21:40 kushm4sta wrote:

And balla is so underwhelming compared to the newbie I partially observed.

@Suki you have experience with balla, what are you thouhts?


You seem to be thinking Balla is suspicious at this moment.
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On February 22 2014 15:36 VIVAX420 wrote:
balla you think rayn is scum?

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On February 22 2014 16:30 VIVAX420 wrote:
balla you are busing him amirite?



Why didn't you think Balla was scummy at the beginning of the game and call him out, when he was clearly inactive? Why are you questioning my townread of Balla when you yourself read Balla as town earlier on?

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On February 21 2014 06:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
that whole suki balla thing looks like some boring shit between townies. so tldr


Your line of thought on Balla just doesn't line up at all.


I love it when people who're going to get autolynched try.

Keep going!
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February 22 2014 15:35 GMT
#1799
what and who are you talking to kush?
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February 22 2014 15:37 GMT
#1801
pls?
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February 22 2014 15:37 GMT
#1802
cyka
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February 22 2014 15:49 GMT
#1810
On February 23 2014 00:48 suki wrote:
Palmar why is smurf scum?


how about you read.
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February 22 2014 16:12 GMT
#1825
kosher is my townbuddy back off kush
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February 22 2014 16:12 GMT
#1826
suko gonna get lynched tomorrow cause ppl don't trust my metq meta case on obvscum smurf
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February 22 2014 16:13 GMT
#1827
meta meta
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February 22 2014 16:16 GMT
#1829
On February 23 2014 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hey kush am i scum or not?

you're clearly mafia aligned. but not sure your pm says the same thing
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February 22 2014 16:17 GMT
#1832
Neither do you!
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February 22 2014 17:32 GMT
#1875
suko/smurf this thread would be greatly improved with less posting from you. leave confirmedtown prplhz alone.
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February 22 2014 18:02 GMT
#1877
On February 23 2014 02:47 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
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On February 23 2014 02:32 Palmar wrote:
Palmar this thread would be greatly improved with no posting from you.

Fixed that for you.

I agree. if people stopped saying dumb shir I'd not be having to post this much.
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February 22 2014 18:05 GMT
#1879
suko why didn't you instajoin the toad wagon which was good but you instajoined my shit wagon on kush
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February 22 2014 18:06 GMT
#1880
On February 23 2014 03:04 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Prplhz:
In the early stages of the game he went after Rayn's plan like Toad did. It seems unlikely that both scum would go for it, but it's not unheard of. Prplhz's filter in Carnival Cruise as mafia was very short though (4 pages), and he lived all the way until endgame.
This game doesn't feel like Carnival Cruise at all and a lot more like Roulette. Meta says he's probably town. He's paranoid too whereas his accusations felt more certain during CC. In Roulette he was more uncertain which I feel parallels this game.

Lack of interaction with Toad I can explain from the fact that they had the same gut response to Rayn's plan so I can imagine pr giving Toad a blind eye for that. Yeah I think Prplhz is town.

in other news, the sky is blue
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February 22 2014 18:54 GMT
#1888
is forced silence during resolution period?
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February 22 2014 18:58 GMT
#1892
There should be no talking during the resolution period. If it isn't roles like vigis have an incredible advantage over mafia, as any mafia can't counterclaim if the vig claims during the resolution period, and they can't hit him either. Either mafia should be allowed to change their hit, or there should be silence during that period. It's straight up unfair for mafia to give town a free time to claim roles in.

Same goes with cops etc on day 2. A cop can claim his night 1 result on the resolution period of night 2, and still mafia doesn't have chance to shoot/roleblock him so he gets a free night 2 check
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February 22 2014 18:59 GMT
#1894
On February 23 2014 03:56 suki wrote:
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On February 23 2014 03:05 Palmar wrote:
suko why didn't you instajoin the toad wagon which was good but you instajoined my shit wagon on kush


I didn't join your wagon on kush, I gave my thoughts and provided reasoning.

What are your thoughts on Balla, Palmar?


I'll totally lynch him if you flip town, or scum... I don't really care.
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February 22 2014 19:01 GMT
#1895
On February 23 2014 03:57 suki wrote:
Also Koshi I'm just going to ignore everything you say for the rest of this game.


He's been really useful and is one of the confirmed town group. No idea why you'd ignore him.
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February 22 2014 19:09 GMT
#1900
Balla if suko is town you're scum.
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February 22 2014 19:35 GMT
#1905
ok balla confirmed scum for flip flopping on if he's scum.
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February 22 2014 23:10 GMT
#1930
I just said I thought like it should be that way, not that it was that way. I was suggesting a rule-update to the hosts.

It's _ridiculously_ OP for town to have a resolution period where you can claim in.
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February 22 2014 23:32 GMT
#1945
rayn, 1-shot cop? what is your claim?
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February 22 2014 23:34 GMT
#1951
I'll lynch him for that tbh. LAL
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February 22 2014 23:54 GMT
#1985
if I die you should probably not read too much into what I said this night.
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February 22 2014 23:57 GMT
#1988
On February 23 2014 08:56 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
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On February 23 2014 08:55 Koshi wrote:
On February 23 2014 08:53 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
On February 23 2014 08:50 Koshi wrote:
On February 23 2014 08:47 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
On February 23 2014 08:43 Koshi wrote:
On February 23 2014 08:40 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
On February 23 2014 08:39 Koshi wrote:
I dont believe Balla is scum. At all.

I didn't either until just now. Need to go back to reread but how he can have a townread on Alakaslam over me is just incomprehensible.

Another dramaqueen.
Alkaslam seems to post quite freely. I will not go so far and call him town and I think I forgot about him in my previous scumlist. But you.could.easily be scum because others arent.

I can't be scum though. My role PM is quite clear on that.

If that is the only reason then why are you mad that balla thinks you are scum?

It isn't, I already gave the actual reasons earlier on. Four hours of catching up without any attempt to derail the lynch from Toad for example. Putting that much effort into eventually accomplishing nothing seems like an extreme waste of time from a scum point of view. Wouldn't I have tried pushing something else which I could've gotten away with as I wasn't bound to thread sentiment at the time? I didn't, I didn't even give any reads off at the time because I didn't have any strong reads. It doesn't make any sense as scum to do what I did. If you think I'd sacrifice the scum gf for the sake of using this as wifom then you don't have a very high opinion of my game.

I gave the answer I did to lighten up thread sentiment a bit as I'm getting heated and I imagine Balla is too and that isn't good for anyone.

No worries. You are only on place 6 on the.great Koshi list. I got you.as.solid.town for d2.

I should be like place two on the other side though. I'm very sexy, second only to marv in that sexy regard.


you're not even in top 5 sexy
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February 23 2014 00:05 GMT
#2002
##Vote rayn
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February 23 2014 00:12 GMT
#2010
mafia can't have vigilante, we already have a flipped town power role and we know we have another.

rayn's claim is bullshit.
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February 23 2014 00:13 GMT
#2013
did he say he was?
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February 23 2014 00:18 GMT
#2016
he claimed to be checking balla.

rayn has done too much dumb shit this game.
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February 23 2014 08:42 GMT
#2134
##vote balla
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February 23 2014 09:06 GMT
#2139
There's a bunch of townies on this balla wagon. It's good stuff.
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February 23 2014 09:52 GMT
#2144
Just a random note. Balla was pushing the idea suki was town, Oats was pushing the idea she is scum. Suki was a clear lynchbait for day 2.

I'm not sure if it's very relevant but it's worth noting.
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February 23 2014 15:22 GMT
#2181
getting toad to post a definite but sorta subtle contradiction that follows the narrative of the thread in such a casual manner seems way too convoluted for it to be a possibility. hence marv is town
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February 23 2014 15:25 GMT
#2182
read again the rayn prplhz interaction when rayn accused prplhz of contradicting himself kosher. prplhz deffo town
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February 23 2014 20:10 GMT
#2238
Maybe tomorrow
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February 23 2014 23:12 GMT
#2254
I'm probably just sheeping marv today tbh.

I agree in full with the list above.
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February 23 2014 23:12 GMT
#2255
so any of those three I'm fine with.
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February 23 2014 23:41 GMT
#2257
On February 24 2014 08:36 Koshi wrote:
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On February 24 2014 08:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm probably just sheeping marv today tbh.

I agree in full with the list above.

Let's make it interesting and put our vote on the guy we think has the most chance of flipping scum. It's not that important to put all votes on 1 person 24/7.


Maybe tomorrow.
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February 24 2014 09:49 GMT
#2270
no matter whether or not balla is scum I like that guy.
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February 24 2014 09:53 GMT
#2273
I wouldn't mind lynching slam.
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February 24 2014 09:54 GMT
#2274
also I'm catching up. Didn't do much other than troll during the night and haven't read today that attentively.
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February 24 2014 09:57 GMT
#2278
On February 23 2014 23:32 marvellosity wrote:
rayn repeatedly pushed Toad.


rayn said something like "toad looks best of the people that called me out" and made a bullshit case on prplhz based on a contradiction that was as real as my private plane.
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February 24 2014 09:57 GMT
#2279
ie: he should not get much towncred for that Toad thing.
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February 24 2014 10:00 GMT
#2281
On February 24 2014 00:49 kushm4sta wrote:
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On February 24 2014 00:42 kushm4sta wrote:
btw i got roleblocked i forgot to tell you guys



Are we assuming this is suki?
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February 24 2014 10:01 GMT
#2283
Well shouldn't we lynch him for it then?
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 10:02 GMT
#2284
Town having a vig+joat+roleblocker???

OP I tell you, OP.
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 10:02 GMT
#2285
and why would mafia rolebluck kush of all people.
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 10:06 GMT
#2287
On February 24 2014 18:58 marvellosity wrote:
i think you've not read rayn's filter.


On February 20 2014 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
From prplhz/suki/Toad Toad looks the most townie to me. I actually get his vote and the reasoning and what he says (even the point marv voted him for) from townie perspective. The only post that looks really bad to me is this one:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar the problem is not that if you make it clear or not. It's if other people think you are being clear or not which is not always so easily said. You know how this shit works, scum misrepresent everything people do because that's how you lynch townies. Why not reduce the possible amount of misrepresentations by an easy policy that does no harm in any case?

there's plenty of people throwing around votes in every single game, for fun, for policy, for random reasons or whatever else.
So if it's not a problem in any other game, why do you think it's going to be a problem in this one to the point that you think we should make a "no voting someone else unless you're super certain" policy?
Do you actually think it's something that should be policy in every game?

Because this is totally not what i said and it proves Toad is not really even reading my posts or trying to understand me.


On February 20 2014 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So yes, i can totally see town!Toad say what he did..


He voted suki a bit later, but then ended up joining the Toad wagon.

I'm not sure it's very important, but I think it should at least be noted before we use the Toad lynch to defend rayn.
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 10:07 GMT
#2288
On February 24 2014 19:04 marvellosity wrote:
it could be suki but we aint assuming it. And my vote is on kush.

Because balla wrote a lot of words i will vote kush or slam today.


I am up for killing either of those. And I think your reasoning is excellent.
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 10:11 GMT
#2292
I would actually prefer slam based on the 1% chance my initial read on kush was right, but when I think about it that read was based on him saying smart things and making sense, and that's breaking his meta.
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 10:12 GMT
#2293
and yeah, kushi would've had to be insane to use RB on the first night, as a cop check is an instant clear on one of the few suspects AND herself.
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 10:12 GMT
#2294
or a guilty, ofc. I'm totally not scum with prplhz guys.
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 10:23 GMT
#2296
whatever, you bitches are all insects in my presence.
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February 24 2014 10:48 GMT
#2307
On February 24 2014 19:48 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 24 2014 19:34 marvellosity wrote:
Literally Oats saw Balla's post, saw the first paragraph, and commented "so defensive" without reading anything else.

I did read it. And it was really defensive.

That was the point of the post. He was also top lynch target.

Oats. Which 4 can be last scummers. Are there combination that don't work anymore?

rayn
Kush
Alakaslam
prplhz


prplhz town?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:19 GMT
#2349
On February 24 2014 22:07 kushm4sta wrote:
k im just gonna claim now since i might not be around for the rest of the day.
im joat, so its a terrible idea to lynch me. i can prove my role with my actions on the next night.

balla is a bad lynch IMO also so if i were you would repick. rayn looks pretty good to lynch. kush out.


CC

you think we have 3 joats?
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 13:20 GMT
#2352
On February 24 2014 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
this is amazing



I agree!
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 13:20 GMT
#2354
I shot suki btw, sorry about that I didn't read much during the night.
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 13:21 GMT
#2355
On February 24 2014 22:20 kushm4sta wrote:
vig dt check rb

we have 3 joat wtf??

kush out relaly have to go now


And which did you use last night?
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 13:24 GMT
#2363
On February 24 2014 22:21 kushm4sta wrote:
I DID NOTHING LAST NIGHT i didn't even try to do anythign and i got rb anyway kush out bai realy have to go now peace


why?

you have 3 powers, chances are the game is going to be over in about 4 nights.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:24 GMT
#2364
there is literally no reason not to use the DT check, at least.
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:25 GMT
#2366
Fun fact, I initially sent in a vig shot on slam, but then he showed up and started posting so I just shot someone else instead. Wish I had just kept it, just felt like a bit of an asshole shooting him just after he replaced in.
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:26 GMT
#2368
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax42


I don't believe this claim, I don't believe he'd not use any of his powers on n1. I don't believe scum would roleblock him, and I think suko is smarter than to not use the dt check on day 1.
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 13:26 GMT
#2369
On February 24 2014 22:25 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 22:25 Palmar wrote:
Fun fact, I initially sent in a vig shot on slam, but then he showed up and started posting so I just shot someone else instead. Wish I had just kept it, just felt like a bit of an asshole shooting him just after he replaced in.

that's the best time to shoot people though.

I should know.
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:29 GMT
#2372
On February 24 2014 22:27 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 22:26 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax42


I don't believe this claim, I don't believe he'd not use any of his powers on n1. I don't believe scum would roleblock him, and I think suko is smarter than to not use the dt check on day 1.

Ok

1. Why would mafia claim the only power role to have just flipped
2. Why would mafia claim to not use one of their roles (DT check) when they can easily fake this


Objection.

there is no reason for mafia to do those things, but there is no reason for townkush to do what he's claimed to do anyway, so the only logical conclusion is that he's being bad, no matter his alignment.

thus it's also likely he's mafia bad.
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:30 GMT
#2373
On February 24 2014 22:29 marvellosity wrote:
Not using the check is really something else though.

Palmar do you have a useful power left?


yes.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:30 GMT
#2375
and I'd rather not claim which, but both can fuck a bit with scum.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:32 GMT
#2382
we can try.

I guess we can lynch slam and force kush to shoot whatever target we pick, if said target doesn't turn up dead we lynch him.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:33 GMT
#2386
Fuck it you're probably right.

##unvote
##vote slam
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Palmar
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February 24 2014 13:34 GMT
#2390
On February 24 2014 22:33 marvellosity wrote:
well if you had watcher we can prove kush claim 100%. If you have tracker or DT check scum are also in trouble.


how? if I watch his target mafia/vig will look exactly the same going for the kill.

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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:35 GMT
#2392
On February 24 2014 22:34 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 22:32 Palmar wrote:
we can try.

I guess we can lynch slam and force kush to shoot whatever target we pick, if said target doesn't turn up dead we lynch him.

Shooting people is bad. Gives +1 mislynch. dt check better.

I take it scum does not have rb + gf + framer.


dt check doesn't prove anything. easiest thing in the world to fake for mafia.

Vig shot better.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:36 GMT
#2395
On February 24 2014 22:34 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 22:33 marvellosity wrote:
On February 24 2014 22:33 prplhz wrote:
On February 24 2014 22:32 marvellosity wrote:
btw 3 JOATs is really plausible because that's a max 6 power usage, when 2 regular blue roles could have up to 8 power usages in total.

max 6?

JOAT have 2 powers to use once each. 3x2

oh no, they have 3 powers but they can only use 2


I did not even know this, but you're right.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:36 GMT
#2398
On February 24 2014 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 22:34 Palmar wrote:
On February 24 2014 22:33 marvellosity wrote:
well if you had watcher we can prove kush claim 100%. If you have tracker or DT check scum are also in trouble.


how? if I watch his target mafia/vig will look exactly the same going for the kill.


You watch kush. kush uses vig. 2 people turn up dead and kush is confirmed. if kush is rbed you would see it.

that's an initial plan


what if 1 person turns up dead?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:37 GMT
#2402
ie: kush's target.

we lynch him? ie: give mafia free mislynch if he's actually town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:39 GMT
#2407
I say we just trust this claim for now, I change my mind in the light of the 2 abilities per joat that I didn't know about. It both means it's more sensible to save a power for later, AND it means it's more likely we have 3 joats. Not to mention kush's joat abilities seem consistent with what suki and I have... for the most part

I'm vig/track/rb
suko cop/doc/rb
kush vig/cop/rb?

idk, not entirely sure it's consistent (why isn't he a watcher? was it random?)
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:42 GMT
#2412
yeah sorry, didn't read enough. Should've just autovigged the replacement.

I should never second guess myself. Here's the actual truth

1. sent in shot on slam
2. sent in track on suko
3. sent in #yolo vig shot on suko

changed my actions over the night.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 13:49 GMT
#2423
On February 24 2014 22:45 prplhz wrote:
palmar why didn't you claim your shot in the resolution phase?


Because I didn't want to.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 14:10 GMT
#2434
tbh I tend to overreact and try to lynch people a lot.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 14:53 GMT
#2447
I see nothing wrong with Koshi's logic.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 24 2014 15:14 GMT
#2465
kush is just talking about the "twice per game you can use one of your abilities" that suko had in her post, and I have it too.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 15:15 GMT
#2467
I just didn't read my role pm very well, so I wasn't aware until prplhz brought it up (such townie, wow).

prplhz and I are totally not scumbuddies.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 15:15 GMT
#2468
On February 25 2014 00:14 kushm4sta wrote:
Iyou never use cop check first because then you have to reveal yourself


you're an idiot.

you cop check n1, then you reveal yourself in the resolution period on n2 and use the vig shot then too. ezpz
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 15:19 GMT
#2473
yeah vigging kosher would be worse than me vigging suko.

Get Lats or something.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 15:46 GMT
#2503
On February 25 2014 00:42 kushm4sta wrote:
Yah I like that case oats.
Rayn, prprl I'm thinking


prplhz town my townbuddy.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 24 2014 16:00 GMT
#2506
Ok koshi scum.
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 00:13 GMT
#2598
gg
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 00:13 GMT
#2599
see

prplhz not my scumbuddy

jeez
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 00:14 GMT
#2600
do I have to track kush then?
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Palmar
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February 25 2014 01:33 GMT
#2649
kush you prplhz or balla I do oats or rayn
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 01:34 GMT
#2650
maf gonna kill kush 100%
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 10:17 GMT
#2699
I should be fired from mafia if prplhz is the last scum.

But tbh, 90% of skill in mafia is just sheeping the right people. So there's that.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 12:01 GMT
#2716
I'll RB or track one of the 4 targets mentioned.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 12:06 GMT
#2719
I'm going to track marv I think. He's playing us.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 12:11 GMT
#2721
This prplhz guy is probably scum. Anyone who defends him is clearly dumb.
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Palmar
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Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 12:15 GMT
#2722
we should totally never make kush shoot as it doesn't increase the amount of town controlled kills.

it's 7v1 now, tomorrow d3: 6v1. -> d4: 4v1, -> d5: 2v1. = 3 lynches
if he shoots, we lose a lynch, and gain a vig shot. The only reason we should make him shoot, is if mafia no-kills or we get successful roleblock, in which case we should know scum anyway.



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Palmar
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February 25 2014 13:24 GMT
#2733
On February 21 2014 21:31 Palmar wrote:
I am almost always terribly wrong on one mafia and call him town, so you could check out in my top 7.

But I think toad is a good day 1 lynch.


This would be surprisingly accurate.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 23:12 GMT
#2820
I tracked marv.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 25 2014 23:12 GMT
#2823
he scum rayn, you said so on day 1.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 23:15 GMT
#2830
On February 26 2014 08:12 Balla24 wrote:
i tracked marv also


you claim first after day if he moved or not, that way I can actually confirm you.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 23:31 GMT
#2840
[image loading]


Dragon!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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February 25 2014 23:32 GMT
#2841
[image loading]
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February 25 2014 23:33 GMT
#2842
ok gonna go sleep. if I die marv is probably scum, if I don't prplhz is probably scum.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 23:34 GMT
#2845
On February 26 2014 08:33 Balla24 wrote:
whats the orange turd coming out of his neck?


It's his arm
jeez
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 23:35 GMT
#2846
I rbd prplhz for no good reason.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 23:38 GMT
#2852
On February 26 2014 08:36 Balla24 wrote:
palmar you should have shot suki again


There's no kill like over kill.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 25 2014 23:38 GMT
#2854
I'm gone 4 realz now.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
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March 03 2014 12:59 GMT
#3338
On March 03 2014 09:48 Balla24 wrote:
P.S. Palmar wtf man dat shot...


idk bro. I called her town and defended her on day 1 and then just sheeped someone else's read and called her mafia. I was too busy trolling to read much during the night so I just shot her.

I was going to shoot that afk guy (who slam replaced) but I felt like it'd be a dick move to shoot him just a few hours after he replaced in. In hindsight I should've done that.

meh, who cares, confirming suki probably helped cleaning up town. also this rayn played like a madman this game.
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