[M][N] Default Suspicions Mafia

On February 21 2014 00:42 marvellosity wrote:

No, I won't. People need to be able to read you and you going "meh, I'm barely going to post" simply isn't good enough.

You signed up to play this game, so play it.

On February 21 2014 00:43 marvellosity wrote:

"I think Toad is mafia, and the person who made the case on the guy I think is mafia is useless"

Brilliant as ever.

On February 21 2014 00:44 marvellosity wrote:
What can be more useful in the whole thread than someone creating a case on someone you think is mafia?

On February 21 2014 00:44 marvellosity wrote:

Well, you said you're going to post when you want and so far you've done fuck all, so I extrapolate that you want to sit around like a lazy asshole.

On February 21 2014 00:49 marvellosity wrote:
So far you've made about 6 posts sheeping other people's ideas.

Further I've talked about most people in the game by now. Stop bullshitting and stop being bad for once in your life.

On February 21 2014 01:14 Palmar wrote:
I don't like you.

I'm mad at you for last game cause you're lazy and boring.

On February 21 2014 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv what do you think about the smurfs whole discourse with Palmar?

On February 21 2014 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel like a townie wouldve had a conclusion to that whole debacle..

Is suki scummier or townier after her case on Koshi?
Also thoughts on sidesprangs insta vote on balla and nothing else?

On February 21 2014 01:19 Palmar wrote:


I shouldn't need to. People should play to win, not play to their shitty meta.

On February 21 2014 01:21 marvellosity wrote:

There is no point other than he doesn't want to play the game so just makes some random vote.

On February 21 2014 01:30 marvellosity wrote:

yes, for both alignments.

On February 21 2014 01:30 Palmar wrote:


the first one I already answered and the second one I cba taking a stance on because she writes really boring stuff.

On February 21 2014 11:28 Balla24 wrote:


Can you explain the motivation behind this oats?

On February 21 2014 11:29 prplhz wrote:
reading your rather meager filter you're not even pushing for anything else, you're just crapping on us wanting an explanation from palmar

On February 21 2014 11:18 prplhz wrote:

what do i know maybe he doesn't want to push a guy to a lynch who is town or maybe he likes a toad lynch better or whatever make something up

don't you think it's weird that palmar is making bad associative reads?

On February 21 2014 12:02 prplhz wrote:
you're saying that you think associative reads on day1 are bad but you don't mind palmar being bad and we shouldn't even begin to question him because you were enjoying the silence

On February 21 2014 12:20 prplhz wrote:
even if it's a dumb question you disagree with i don't see why you care about someone else asking it

would also be ok with oats dying because i'm always uncomfortable with oats but nothing sticks compared to the norm.

On February 21 2014 18:52 Koshi wrote:
Kush/Balla/Toad

I really got to read the big case from Balla and compare it to the big case he made in the shadowed game on Jonny/Alakaslam. I actually haven't read it yet and skimmed it when I was on train and on phone.

Just went over suki and it's not the worst.

On February 21 2014 18:47 Koshi wrote:

Depends on how good this puppy is btw. I always think that smurfs are this super great awesome players but sometimes it is just a guy that isn't super awesome great.

I don't got the guy as scum. I think both the points I raise in his favor are quite good. The fresh views in his catch up posts and how he develops his reads look good to me.

Imagine it is somebody like the Stray Kitten. Not scummy at all if he would do it.

On February 21 2014 19:06 Koshi wrote:

He said a lot of stuff about me.
It really might be the stray kitten dude.
If it is. He is 100% town.

If it isn't. I still stick with town for now.

On February 21 2014 19:05 Koshi wrote:

Yes. That is annoying. But it might be that it is Kush/Toad and not Balla or it is Balla/Kush and not Toad.
Top 3 is top 3.


They look quite similar.

Nha. I am ok with Balla. and his reads.

##vote: Vivax420

On February 21 2014 19:40 Koshi wrote:

How is it bad? They are both 50000 words cases. If you can mimic that you are going to be a good scum player.
I do not disagree with what he writes on top of that. So. Yeah. Similarity is good.

On February 21 2014 19:56 marvellosity wrote:

no, I want to lynch Toad, and so should you.

On February 22 2014 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, in short, Oats attacked Palmar earlier for not checking Oats' meta and seeing that Oats plays scummier as town

Now Oats says he looks better and so smurf is mafia for trying to lynch him, when surely if Oats looks better he's more likely to be mafia, according to his own self-description of meta

On February 22 2014 01:26 marvellosity wrote:

How would you say you look better than recent games?

On February 22 2014 01:26 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:

Another theme game, bleh.
Any normal games?

On February 22 2014 01:39 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:

Because there's far more policy/setup talk in themed games than normal games, so trends in your gameplay won't be as easily translated.

On February 22 2014 00:03 suki wrote:
I don't like oats.



Oats sees me as scum. Rayn is voting marv and trying to make an association case of me and marv.
Why is what rayn says about marv 'almost certainly going to be wrong'? This made sense to me at first because I'm like, 'I'm town, rayn's town pushing scum marv/suki so probably wrong', but if Oats sees me as scum how is rayn's push almost certainly wrong?




Why is he saying lets lynch Palmar gogogo after prplhz me and Balla bring up that Palmar's been odd, and then a few posts later completely defending Palmar. There's no cohesion in his thoughts.

Accusing Palmar for instance is something I wouldn't expect you to do as scum, and your thought process aligned with plprhz on whom I have a strong townread, which is another point in your favour, so right now I'm leaning town.

On February 22 2014 02:10 marvellosity wrote:

you always said that mafia don't attack you.

On February 22 2014 02:14 marvellosity wrote:
Oats there's no hope for you if you literally can't remember the thing you repeated for months, lol

On February 20 2014 10:08 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Anyway, this conduct is no longer useful unless you have anything that doesn't result us going in circles.

On February 21 2014 07:39 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:
Pg 19-21

wut.

I like that Palmar sees the same thing I do in this. Liking Palmar in general since the start as he's making sense and doesn't appear to be pushing a scum agenda.

On February 22 2014 02:33 marvellosity wrote:

I read "since the start" there to mean "after the original stuff between us happened" as opposed to "from the very beginning".

On February 22 2014 02:58 Balla24 wrote:
yes i have 3 sections townie questionable and scum... you are at the townie side of questionable... see its things like this that have no purpose that is annoying which is why you aren't 100% townie. no i'm not taking your filter size into account because I've never played with you at all.

On February 22 2014 03:09 Balla24 wrote:
Also Oats you asked me why i'm always uncomfortable with you. It's because you always play the same on day1, it's always the same shitty post random read with no explanation and expect people to see what you see and then hop between people like it's nothing just egging on random conversations. There's never anything super townie. It's the same here.

On February 22 2014 03:34 marvellosity wrote:
Oats can't you fucking read?

Koshi: meh, ok

On February 22 2014 11:45 Alakaslam wrote:

QUOTE PPL DUDE

On February 22 2014 12:04 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:

No. I'm smurfing for a reason.

On February 22 2014 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
No vigis on smurf, we can lynch smurf with some confidence if it came to that.

Still vig/cop on Oats/Slam in that order would be my preference.

We could never lynch Oats with confidence.

You had irrational certainty that Toad was going to flip town and it comes across as quite artificial.

On February 22 2014 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
that's what makes you a good vigi target. you're either lying and are mafia, or you're telling the truth and admitting to trolling the game so you can possibly 1-up me later for no good reasons. Neither of these things make me want to keep you alive :/

On February 22 2014 21:49 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:

Because I'm clearly not trying to hide anything. My thoughts are forthcoming, I care about the game and I'm not pursuing any scum objectives.

On February 22 2014 21:40 marvellosity wrote:
and now you know why I went nooooooooooooooo when you replaced in.

On February 22 2014 22:04 marvellosity wrote:

Have fun without lying about people's alignments just to troll. It's fucking awful and you should feel fucking awful that you think that's acceptable as a way to play mafia

On February 22 2014 22:14 marvellosity wrote:

yes, it is actually. A competent player knows when to sheep someone better than them rather than going "this guy is definitely gonna flip town" just to troll. That's exactly right in fact.

On February 22 2014 22:21 marvellosity wrote:

Without being snippy for a moment. Who was the player, who when I made my original points on Toad, went "yeah that's good, toad is mafia"? Palmar. Palmar understood a good point made by someone else and rolled with it, because he is good.

On February 22 2014 23:43 Palmar wrote:


because you never play like town. I don't think you play like scum either, you just play like shit all the time.

On February 22 2014 23:43 Palmar wrote:


because you never play like town. I don't think you play like scum either, you just play like shit all the time.

On February 23 2014 18:06 Palmar wrote:
There's a bunch of townies on this balla wagon. It's good stuff.

On February 24 2014 19:34 marvellosity wrote:
Literally Oats saw Balla's post, saw the first paragraph, and commented "so defensive" without reading anything else.

On February 24 2014 19:48 Koshi wrote:

That was the point of the post. He was also top lynch target.

Oats. Which 4 can be last scummers. Are there combination that don't work anymore?

rayn
Kush
Alakaslam
prplhz

On February 22 2014 01:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so since people dont like me jumping around for whatever reason, Im gonna clarify my reads.

I think smurf is the scummiest. Followed by suki then balla then kush then the rest are townie maybe I guess toad is like 5th most likely to flip scum

On February 24 2014 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
you have literally zero reasons for your votes, you're basically just voting whereever I vote. Balla "in case marv gets pissy" and kush for no given reason

On February 24 2014 19:57 marvellosity wrote:
but never mind.

Let's decide between kush/Slam later today then or something?

On February 24 2014 21:34 kushm4sta wrote:
but i got roleblocked

On February 24 2014 22:43 marvellosity wrote:

stop being shit. you sheep votes all day then you vote for koshi. vote for slam.

On February 24 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote:

How am I too trusting?
He claims a joat with different abilities than suki.
Then there is another joat with different abilities than suki.
Then there is the high chance of a rb on scum.
Then there is a rb on Kush.

Dum dum dum.

No lynching Kush.

On February 24 2014 23:13 Koshi wrote:

It's also quite interesting you have to use Palmar as example as somebody that had to think about it. What were you doing Oats?

On February 24 2014 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
if kush is town and balla is actually town

there's a floater somewhere :O

On February 20 2014 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's not what i am saying. Stop fucking twisting my words or l2read. I am already getting mad at you and that's not what i want.

On February 20 2014 11:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well i came up with a reasoning, why is my reasoning not possible and how does it not line up with my actions in thread?
Just because you don't understand something does not mean i can't possibly make sense.

On February 20 2014 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't give a fuck about what you did last game because if you had "caught mafia" you would have lynched VayneAutority which you did not do.

On February 20 2014 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
From prplhz/suki/Toad Toad looks the most townie to me. I actually get his vote and the reasoning and what he says (even the point marv voted him for) from townie perspective. The only post that looks really bad to me is this one:

Because this is totally not what i said and it proves Toad is not really even reading my posts or trying to understand me.

On February 21 2014 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

marv pretty much yes, you idk yet.

On February 21 2014 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay this answer is scum.
marv is mafia.
##unvote
#vote: marvellosoty
OH GOD THIS IS SO GOOD!

On February 22 2014 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This plan is really bad because they are mosty likely all town.

I don't even know where my vote is at so:
##unvote
Vote: suki

Toad will flip town. There is no direction in suki's play, not before i left the thread and not after. marv does not see it and instead of saying so he ignores the scummy stuff suki does and "goes on to find something townie". He even said later on "when i find scummy things i pressure those people into posting what i want to totally make up my mind on them. That's not what he is doing with suki at all and it's either terrible or scum. Fucking 14 pages of filter is the only thing that makes me doubt myself... Balla is also most likely mafia.

trust me, Toad will flip town.

On February 22 2014 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad's play makes no sense from mafia perspective and at the start of the game noone payed attention to marv's case on him enough to vote for him and now pretty much everyone is voting for him. Noone has even given any reasoning for their votes other than marv and Palmar.

On February 22 2014 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wow so some players are just fucking terrible. I thought people would be better than that.
Anyways i am not needed here, scum are lurkers because noone opposed Toad lynch.
Something like kush and sidesprang then.

waiting for tha next game, you got this marv.

On February 25 2014 00:38 Balla24 wrote:
Why would scum RB kush, out of all people? It makes more sense for the RB to have been suki, but she was townreading kush before she died so that doesn't make sense either.

On February 22 2014 11:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Slam too serious to be town.

On February 22 2014 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well in the end it does not really matter. I get my fun from games because people try to play and arguing with scum is fun. Apparently in this game scum didn't try at all. This game is not fun. So basically marv, Palmar, Balla and Koshi have to be town. If i trust the read on prplhz fine. I also think Oats is town.

So kush, Slam, smurf and suki. Can easily lynch all 4, if there is a vigi, even better. There is no challenge in this game any more.

On February 23 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is Slam mafia?

On February 25 2014 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well the reason i am scum for isn't the ones in your case then now is it?

On February 25 2014 16:49 Koshi wrote:
Lynch Oats first.
I got feels he knew Slam was mafia and tried to use this fact to first frame me and then rayn. I got to go over those quotes again but you probably remembered me saying something like that yesterday. It was when he decided to vote me when we all voted slam.

But it's d3 so I guess lynching rayn is fine as well. rayn wasnt raynie this game. Also 3 JoaT sounds like rayn scumgame.

On February 25 2014 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
Oats had this funny conversation with me on day 1 where he tried to convince me what sidesprang did with his rando-vote was more likely to come from town when I was saying I could see a mafia-sidesprang just not bothering and making some vote.

On February 26 2014 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also in the end my vote landed on Slam and Oats' vote landed on me who was scum by association to Slam's alignment.
bad, very bad.

On February 26 2014 03:31 Balla24 wrote:
all i remember you doing oats is posting irrelevant one liners after i spend effort on posts ^_^

On February 26 2014 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats do you realize i am the reason Toad got lynched in the first place?

On February 26 2014 18:33 marvellosity wrote:

if you think rayn is mafia which you apparently do, then town wins 100% because he gets lynched in time.

On February 26 2014 18:48 marvellosity wrote:
what other possibilities?

On February 27 2014 00:18 marvellosity wrote:
lol are you not reading Koshi?

Oats is out and out trolling

On February 27 2014 01:47 Balla24 wrote:
i won't but I trust a rayn/koshi/marv LYLO.. who cares though its not going to happen

On February 27 2014 22:13 Koshi wrote:
Oatsie are you pretending to not be here? Because if you are the last scummer it would be nice if you just surrender so we can have a nice end game talk while you are still awake.

Also Koshi does not want to stay awake till 01:00 koshi time.

On February 28 2014 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
Remember when I told you days ago why it was important to be honest about what you thought of people's alignments? And you brushed it off?

Well, now look what's happening. Yeah. You dead.

On February 28 2014 01:23 marvellosity wrote:
Because there's no good reason to call you town, unlike the people who actually tried+succeeded to kill mafia.

On February 28 2014 01:23 marvellosity wrote:
Because there's no good reason to call you town, unlike the people who actually tried+succeeded to kill mafia.

On February 28 2014 01:30 marvellosity wrote:
Shame you didn't follow through and actually vote to kill him, eh?

If you don't wanna get lynched, how about you come up with good reason for someone else to be mafia?

On February 28 2014 01:33 kushm4sta wrote:
Honestly tho Palmer is probably mafia because 3 joat seem op

On February 28 2014 01:34 marvellosity wrote:
so now you get lynched Oats. As I said, if you're town, let this be a lesson to you.

On February 28 2014 01:35 marvellosity wrote:
Yeah but I'm not the one getting lynched. Hang like the steaming dogpoo you are.

On March 04 2014 08:43 marvellosity wrote:

I gained considerable satisfaction lynching Oats, so for me it was the right play ;p