EPT[M][N] Default Suspicions Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
| ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
| ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 02:06 suki wrote: Toadesstern prplhz <- don't know him jaybrundage marvellosity CuteFluffyPuppy sidesprang VIVAX420 (kush) Balla24 Koshi raynpelikoneet Palmar :3 | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 08:36 Balla24 wrote: What's the benefit of claiming green? I've seen it in a lot of old games and i've always been curious. First townread of the day. Hello everyone. | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 08:40 prplhz wrote: it's because that while townies mostly ignore it, it turns out that there's like a 90% chance that the first guy who asks why someone else is claiming green is scum that's you it's called the kenpachi strategy and it's fool proof First scumread of the day too! The Kenpachi method only works if the person questioning it actually tries to paint the original poster as scum. Balla asked it in a curious way rather than look for an opening. | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: The quoted below is in addition to votes cast on D1 correct? ##vote: raynpelikoneet I have a plan and i am not sure if this is the best plan because i have not thought it through from every angle yet but does anyone know what i am doing? I think I know what you're doing. It seems sensible. ##vote CuteFluffyPuppy | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 08:57 Toadesstern wrote: sounds good to me, I like this ##vote: raynpelikoneet Why do you think Rayn voted for himself? | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
I actually thought it was for instant majority purposes first, because your vote will be on the player you voted last after the lynch and night kills. Then I realized it's not an IM game. | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
| ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:35 Palmar wrote: I agree with what prplhz is saying, and to the extend that I don't understand why people care where votes are parked. It's completely irrelevant, there is no pressure in a vote that isn't being actively pushed as a lynch target. No one cares. I have no idea why rayn seems to think we need a plan to address that non-problem. It's an extremely bad opening discussion point and serves no purpose. Do you think Rayn is scum for it? You're saying it's pointless and you have no idea why he's talking about it, yet you continue to talk about it without asking any questions or having any follow up in your post. Everything you've said has already been said too. What is this post meant to accomplish? | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:39 Palmar wrote: The important part here is why rayn created the plan. If he's town I see two options, he either thought it was a good controversial move to start discussion, or he actually believes idle shitvotes randomly assigned by the host actually mean something. If he's scum, it's a fantastic way of saying things without actually contributing anything to the game. I also don't know why his first post didn't simply lay out his plan, but instead left it up to guesswork by the rest of us. But I don't know if that says anything about his alignment. So basically he could be town or scum for it and all you've done is waffle things that have either already been posted or could be extrapolated within a second. On February 20 2014 09:40 Palmar wrote: I don't know if he's scum because of it. We have plenty of time to figure it out. I was basically explaining where I stand. But your post said nothing prplhz hasn't already said. You've given your thoughts on this and your conclusion was that it's a null tell, or you haven't followed up on it with any questions geared towards Rayn. Why did you feel the need to address this from all the things in the thread when you both consider it useless and don't come to a conclusion from it? | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:46 Palmar wrote: I haven't actually waffled, I simply haven't made a decision. You have pointed out something that had already been pointed out and didn't conclude anything alignment indicative from it, nor did you attempt to inquire further into Rayn until I and Rayn called you out on it. On February 20 2014 09:43 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: But your post said nothing prplhz hasn't already said. You've given your thoughts on this and your conclusion was that it's a null tell, or you haven't followed up on it with any questions geared towards Rayn. Why did you feel the need to address this from all the things in the thread when you both consider it useless and don't come to a conclusion from it? I don't think you can reach a conclusion from it. On it's own it's not enough to say he's scum. That doesn't mean I'm going to shy away from talking about it. Also I don't think what we're discussing now is useless. I think the plan itself was useless, but discussing the thought process that made rayn come up with the plan is extremely useful. [/QUOTE] Do you think it makes him more likely to be scum, then? I'm not getting anything out of this discourse other than a scumread on you. | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:52 Palmar wrote: Do you think it makes him more likely to be scum, then? I'm not getting anything out of this discourse other than a scumread on you. Why are you trying to pressure me into making a call? I have plenty of time to decide whether or not rayn is scum... [/QUOTE] Why am I pressuring a scumread? Gee, I wonder. Is that a serious question? | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
I saw no point in your initial comments, and with a lack of a follow up to continue on them I saw them as fluff as they added nothing new to the table. You have given potential scenarios rather than ask Rayn to explain himself, so if your intention was to read him, it seems like a horrendous way of approaching it. Therefore since you already have a read I'd like to hear it so that it may make my read on you more accurate. I'm more interested in hearing thoughts from you rather than Rayn right now. | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote: Even rayn would tell you (and notice how he responded specifically to me) that it matters where people stand. I wanted to say I agreed with prplhz on his point about rayn's plan. That's about it. So why didn't you leave it at a simple +1? The additions were fairly redundant. It made the post appear bigger than the content was, which has scum motivation. On February 20 2014 09:58 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:You have given potential scenarios rather than ask Rayn to explain himself, so if your intention was to read him, it seems like a horrendous way of approaching it. On February 20 2014 09:42 Palmar wrote: How about you explain your idea yourself? I mean I posted the two options I saw, but you can probably elaborate better than I on your intentions. Seems to me I did exactly what you're accusing me of not having done.[/quote] My problem with this is that you did it 1. After I pressured you and 2. after you already presented him with scenario's to showcase what you're thinking, making it easier for him to adapt. If your intention was to get a read on him, why didn't you ask those questions immediately? The way it went down, it looks more like a convenient opportunity/necessity than actually trying to get a read. On February 20 2014 09:58 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:Therefore since you already have a read I'd like to hear it so that it may make my read on you more accurate. I'm more interested in hearing thoughts from you rather than Rayn right now. I don't. I don't think I have nearly enough information to make a call, hence why I'm baffled why you're trying to force me to make a decision, it makes no sense for me to throw out a random conclusion when I haven't reached one.[/QUOTE] See above. | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
| ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem is that there are now at least 4 people who have no interest in thinking of my motives behind my posts. I'll make a clarification after marv posts anyways, but there is something i want out of marv first. I'll explain that too after. I thought you had already made your intentions clear and thought the votes worked in a different light than they did. Is there more to it than that? | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 10:12 marvellosity wrote: Smurf, you're fucking annoying already. That's what I've taken out of this thread so far. This wounds me. On February 20 2014 10:13 Palmar wrote: @Smurf can you please stop breaking posts, it's really annoying to reply to you when you constantly do. I'll try to be more careful. Rayn, are you saying you've still got a plan in motion or are you talking about the motivation behind your original plan? Because I'm pretty stumped. | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
On February 20 2014 10:18 marvellosity wrote: The point of that being that Palmar will talk about things like you've been constantly attacking him for talking about things. And it doesn't mean very much. That's just how he talks about stuff. I'll have to take your word on it. I find it unlikely you'd lie about this regardless of your alignment. I like the point against Toad. Rayn's plan is really not all that useful with the current setup, but it's not that relevant given how Toad responded to it. In regards to prplhz, I find it more likely that he's actually trying to start the game. From my giant sample size of one scumgame and one towngame, he seems to be more carefree and active as town than as scum, whereas he tries to avoid the limelight as scum. The Koshi exit post got me interested in him as it didn't say anything and I didn't remember anything he said from before that. First he says On February 20 2014 09:10 Koshi wrote: ##vote Koshi I am ok with rayn his idea. + Show Spoiler + I am not seeing anything around balla. Then, 7 minutes later.. On February 20 2014 09:17 Koshi wrote: rayn, do you see any suspicious people or are you too busy with the thing with the standard votes that I don't understand. He doesn't understand the idea yet he agrees to it. Why would he not inquire as to the idea or think about it if he's okay with it? It doesn't make any sense. He continues on trolling despite there being a plan on the table that he supports yet doesn't understand. What. Further Toad/Rayn stuff doesn't really give me anything. Marv's initial case makes a good point, but I need more. Don't see what Rayn sees in Suki either. Actually have to go now. Will be back later today and finish catching up then. | ||
|
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
Pg 16-18: On February 20 2014 11:33 prplhz wrote: I still think that raynpelikoneet's plan is completely useless and no townie has any reason to come up with or push it. I also agree with marvellosity that it doesn't make sense that scum would hard push a silly slightly scummy plan in thread like this. I don't like that suki says in this post: that the plan is stupid but neither scummy nor townie and then she says in this post that the plan is anti-town, or something like that, she uses pro-town to describe a situation where the plan is not implemented. I don't understand the first part of this post. There's two observations that are contradictory. On one hand it's completely useless and town would never do it, on the other hand scum would never hard push it. What's also strange is that he accuses suki of a similar thing in the very same post. It's actually so blatantly contradictory that I think he's town for it. I think scum would be more likely to construct themselves properly in this scenario. Rayn pointed out the same thing, but has a different conclusion from it. I actually think it's more likely to come from town. On February 20 2014 13:22 Balla24 wrote: Why is the fact that he misused said method scummy? Why did your 1st scumread get no pressure after this even though there was plenty said and he even did a few things. Also why is me being curious->townie? That doesn't really make sense considering if it's genuine curiousness why wouldn't I ask the same question as scum? Because scum wants to call people that aren't scum scum. I've used the same method myself. Making something out of nothing is what scum have to do, whereas town has little motivation for it. As for why he got no pressure; it's because I found Palmar more interesting by the time I got back, so I pursued that instead. I also came around on Prplhz simply for the amount of attention he was drawing to himself, which I find atypical of his scum game, though that's based on a small sample. | ||
| ||
