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On February 20 2014 16:45 sidesprang wrote:
##Vote Balla24
wut.
On February 20 2014 17:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 11:33 prplhz wrote:
I still think that raynpelikoneet's plan is completely useless and no townie has any reason to come up with or push it.
I also agree with marvellosity that it doesn't make sense that scum would hard push a silly slightly scummy plan in thread like this.
Also this is why prplhz is mafia. It's an obvious contradiction that makes no sense. ##unvote
##Vote: prplhz I don't see the contradiction. There is no reason for any townie to do various strange things, yet they do it all the time and we even clear the for it. (it: this is so dumb he has to be town).
I like that Palmar sees the same thing I do in this. Liking Palmar in general since the start as he's making sense and doesn't appear to be pushing a scum agenda.
I don't like that Koshi can't give a reason for Toad being scum when asked.
On February 20 2014 20:22 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 20:21 Palmar wrote:
Why have you been considering that Koshi? Why do you think Toad is scum? Because marv looked town to me. I don't know. That's why it is called sheeping.
It's got that too scummy to be scum feel, but I think a player like Koshi is aware of how it would be read. He admitted to having no clue why the player he's been considering to lynch is scum. Why were you considering him for lynch, then?
Later, he said he just sheeped marv's reasoning, but why not give that reasoning when questioned? It makes me believe he's intentionally trying to show bravado.
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Koshi's posts feel like they don't come from much effort in this phase of the game. His reads seem to be jokes or at least very poorly thought out.
On February 20 2014 20:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 20:27 Palmar wrote:
Koshi, top 3 lynch targets pls, and top 3 town reads
Not lynchable. I'll say Kush not a lynch target atm because pretty smart play, like instantly going against rayn on prplhz and other people actually saw same things. Also rayn cuz we are buds. marv cuz marv. Palmar I guess. lynchable People marv feels strongly about being scum. People rayn feels strongly about being scum & he made a case with multiple points on. Those are mostly actually scum.[/ sidesprang if he doesn't play. suki and Balla if they plan on playing "the I am so impressed by this playerpool and I won't post my own thoughts" game. As I feel that might be happening. Oats because jayB replaced out cuz he rolled scum. The other people I didn't pay too much attention to.
It appears Koshi is going for the bravado award this game. The only thoughts we can really gain from this is a mild pressure on suki and balla. This entire post feels like it's only trying to achieve scum objectives. It doesn't showcase much own thought process. He calls people everyone that thread sentiment feels are town town, and his scumreads are a joke other than Balla and Suki, which is the only piece of interest in this post. "Look at me! I'm so bold to state I don't have any of my own reads right now!" Really do not like.
@Rayn You mentioned that there was something that made you believe Kush didn't read the thread. I remember you having mentioned something like this before elsewhere, but I was curious as to the reference to its alignment because I seem to recall Kush not reading a game where he rolled town.
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##Vote Koshi
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On February 20 2014 22:51 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:35 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:31 Palmar wrote:
Toad who is scum and why is it you? I just got back in here finished reading... give me some time but it's actually up in there if you consider the fact that it's a write-up while reading and things changing a little On February 20 2014 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 14:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Toad how do these two comments go together? They go together as "#1 didn't cross my mind at that time because I have no idea how someone could come up with it, so I didn't take it into consideration before you mentioned it. Once you did mention it I figured it's possible" wait wait wait. what? "why didn't you think it's blue? - I have no idea what blue is, so I thought it might be green or yellow and thought that's weird, once you explained what blue is I realized it might be blue" So you are saying you didn't know how i came up with what i did after i said in thread why i came up with it. Explain to me where in your opinion i explain why i came up with what i did. In other words, what happened between the posts of your i quoted? no I'm saying I didn't have the same misunderstanding you had about the phrasing, therefore what you innitially thought didn't cross my mind and wasn't part of my theories what you might be doing with that plan of yours. Once you cleared up that you thought those votes would add up I realized it might make sense given that misunderstanding. I just never had that misunderstanding to begin with which is the reason I couldn't make sense of it. My problem is this. And now, please answer this properly and in detail: You make a post which says this: On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. Then there is something that happens between here because you then say this: On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Now what is that something that happens between these posts? Why do you change your mind and what's the particular post that makes you change your mind? You asked me about my reasoning earlier on. The first part is talking about my stance on you and how I got to that stance from my PoV before you did this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So here we go (marv i would have expected a bit more from you, i am sad):
There are three possibilities about my motives and here they are:
1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate.
However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at.
2) I did the same pro-town thing as mafia.
3) I just made all this up and and i was just saying shit for no reason at the start of the game.
Now here is my question, especially to prplhz, Toad, Palmar and suki;
Why did you not try to see what i was/am trying to do and how that would make me whatever alignment. What you did is you took some posts from me and painted them scummy without no thinking behind it. I want to know why.
If what i was doing was (1), then i am town.
If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment.
If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly.
So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad?The second part you're quoting is explaining how I realized that your explanation (the above post) makes sense if we take the misunderstanding as a given, which I did not consider before you cleared it up simply because I did not have that same misunderstanding.
Toad's explanation regarding the Rayn plan has left me with more question marks than anything. His initial comment doesn't specify anything about how it's about his reads without the explanation, especially since he referred to the comment as "can't be #1" which indicates he read the actual arguments, yet it's supposedly about his explanation as to why he thought Rayn was scum. It feels to me like a reason he thought of after the events. Not going to push it as per marv's proposal.
On February 20 2014 23:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 23:08 Palmar wrote:
I really like prplhz's point about koshi, don't you marv? doesn't it make you all warm inside? no, it's exactly the kind of thing Koshi would do as town more than mafia, he'd be more careful as mafia.
Don't you think Koshi would know how you're likely to respond to this? It's fairly clear to anyone reading games that carelessness is seen as town. With someone as forthcoming with their thoughts as Koshi usually is, I don't find it unlikely at all. It's an easy way to look town without putting much effort in the game, and Koshi abhors playing scum.
On February 21 2014 08:14 suki wrote:
CuteFluffyPuppy, why do you think this 'bravado' line of action is more likely to come from scum Koshi than town Koshi?
What scum objectives do you perceive Koshi having in his posts?
Because Koshi does not like playing scum. The way he's playing is the laziest way to still get read as town. I think a town Koshi would take the opportunity to do a more thorough read and get a good read on some players. He hasn't really tried.
Koshi's objective is to get read as town with the least amount of effort.
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Suki suspects Koshi for the same things I do. Makes me feel good about her. I disagree with the talk around it as it's the way Koshi represents himself that is so conscious that I feel it has to be intentional. He's aware of how the posts he makes will be read and thus posts them as such.
The pretending of Koshi to have a serious reason to vote Balla does seem town to me though. There was an active intent to try and get a read on Suki using a plan. Thinking about that I'm coming around to Koshi. The times I've ever seen scum fake making a trap and then springing it have been very rare, and this was an on the fly thing.
##Unvote
##Vote CuteFluffyPuppy
Not sure what to think right now.
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Marv changes his read on me on the fly after a few small remarks by Oatsmaster. I don't understand this at all. When first questioned about me, Marv says:
On February 21 2014 00:54 marvellosity wrote:
I think he was wrong to be pushing it but I think it didn't look too bad overall.
Oats replies
On February 21 2014 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
It felt to me like he made a decision on Palmar way too early based off like 1-2 posts then he kept pressing and pressing, he wasnt satisfied with any reasonable answer about Palmar not having a read on rayn, he really wanted that read on Rayn. And there was literally no conclusion, Smurf just gave up or something? and moved on to other things without ever posting a final read or a vote.
Too contrived and forced=scummy.
On February 21 2014 01:00 marvellosity wrote:
yeah it was kinda odd that he was desperate for that read on rayn, you're right. I don't know how much I make of it though.
To me, this shows Marv isn't reading properly because he would've noticed this the first time around if he were. Instead, he was happy to sheep Palmar at the time and presumed what he said was right.
On February 20 2014 20:17 Palmar wrote:
I need to see more from the smurf to make a decision on him, but at least the pressure he put on me last night was genuine if a bit stupid. I like the fact he just dropped it when it was clear he wasn't getting anywhere with it, it feels very much town-like to just back off like that.
On February 20 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
Agree with you on kush+Smurf as it stands.
So he's already consciously thought about my actions and confirmed that he agreed with Palmar, yet all of a sudden he changes his read by a mere mention from Oats in a different direction? Feels off.
On February 21 2014 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's wrong in suki's case is that she says basically same stuff me, Palmar and prplhz talked about earlier. She is not interested in why we do not think that makes Koshi scummy, instead she makes a case where she already knows the stuff she is going to say is "right", it's a safe case because it's already agreed on before it's even posted. But in the end she expresses the thought "i know my case might not be good enough so i'll vote for Toad later on if you guys want to".
I don't see the "this is why Koshi is mafia" type of thing.
I see "here is a safe contribution".
That's my interpretation of that post.
I'm sensing that same thing I had when I misread a scum player for having the same thought process as me as town might be happening with Suki. However, you did mention why you didn't vote for Koshi yourself.
On February 20 2014 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 22:22 marvellosity wrote:
I literally can't be bothered to think about Koshi. If it's a few hours before deadline and I'm not happy then I'll start to worry. Yeah that was just an observation atm.
Which indicated that you do think it's scummy to me, but not enough to vote for him at this point or expect him to change his mind, so I wouldn't rag on Suki too much for that. Rest of the case is solid.
Sidenote: I feel like the major point in Koshi's favour has been underrepresented though, which was his attempt to get Suki to get serious on her vote on Balla.
Toad's metacase will be handled in next post.
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The meta toad brought up for Balla isn't really that great as the most recent towngame Balla has played was that of Shadow Mini Mafia. I feel like Balla can be read a lot on filter length alone. His town filters are miles ahead of his scum filters in terms of length. I doubt he can replicate that. One point in Toad's favour though is how Balla tends to feel slighted as scum.
On January 26 2014 10:47 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 10:44 kushm4sta wrote:
balla the only thing worse than bum's retarded plan is how you keep discussing it better than you generically calling people out every couple posts....
He's not denying that he made a poor post, but rather takes the offensive. He's done a similar thing this game.
On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote:
The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~ On February 20 2014 09:25 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:22 suki wrote:
Balla is completely in policy talk mode and hasn't even tried to pressure anyone or start anything even though he is clearly here. He also is not playing light hearted like in the previous game where we bulldozed scum. So is everybody else, only person that is trying to start stuff is prplhz. I don't see anything else that is pressurable like I have in the past 2 games.
He didn't do anything of the like in Shadow Mini Mafia.
The case Balla made on Suki is mostly sheeping too. Doesn't give me much to work with.
Palmar and Marv, you said you don't believe Toad's case. With that, do you mean that you don't believe it's a good case or you don't believe that Toad believes in his case?
Point against Kush is fair. Contradictory, and far enough away for Kush to have forgotten about making his initial posts if he were scum.
Toad's sheer effort makes me feel townish on him because I'm not used to him being this active in general. Someone tell me if this is dumb.
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On February 21 2014 09:27 marvellosity wrote:
Where did I change my read on you Smurf? It's been pretty consistent. Further it's nothing to do with not reading properly - I said it was kinda odd and it was kinda odd, but I didn't make anything of it. For obvious reasons I don't think or talk about stuff that I don't make much of.
Is everyone stupid or something?
I presumed you found it odd in a scummish fashion given Oats brought it up as a thing he thought I was scummy for. As you agreed with him on it being odd, I figured you found me questionable/scummy for it as a result.
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On February 21 2014 06:22 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 02:37 Balla24 wrote:This is weird, considering the two games we (suki and I) just played with Koshi were a towngame and a scumgame. His towngame entry more closely resembles this game (randomly townreading, randomly calling people bad and sheeping) whereas his scumgame he completely avoided that. It's just a complete no-consideration of what she just played with besides "I know koshi hates rolling scum". Beyond this I know she would feel like actually looking at his meta and seeing it because she started to become really good at that last game. For what I am talking about, a few quotes that resemble this game from the recent towngame i'm referencing: + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.
Balla let's get a town circle going. On February 07 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote:
I agree tbh. It felt awkward
##vote jaybrundage On February 07 2014 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Balla, let's give jayb a break for a sec.
What do you think about Jonny? Why is he gone? He wanted to talk, but there is nothing from him atm. I disagree. I think Koshi's townreads were a lot less random last game. I don't see him randomly calling people bad this game. And he lead the lynch on Jonny so I don't know what you're talking about sheeping. The reason I'm leaning town on Koshi right now is because of this: Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 23:09 marvellosity wrote:On February 20 2014 23:08 Palmar wrote:
I really like prplhz's point about koshi, don't you marv? doesn't it make you all warm inside? no, it's exactly the kind of thing Koshi would do as town more than mafia, he'd be more careful as mafia. When I read this I thought, Koshi is playing quite freely right now. It makes sense to view his careless townreads and active sheeping as a free townie than a scum trying to appear free.
I'm curious why you thought Koshi looked scummy for it the first time. I know my own reason and I'm curious if they coincide.
On February 21 2014 06:39 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:31 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:On February 20 2014 13:22 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 08:42 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:On February 20 2014 08:40 prplhz wrote:On February 20 2014 08:36 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 08:33 prplhz wrote:
claiming Vanilli Townie What's the benefit of claiming green? I've seen it in a lot of old games and i've always been curious. it's because that while townies mostly ignore it, it turns out that there's like a 90% chance that the first guy who asks why someone else is claiming green is scum that's you it's called the kenpachi strategy and it's fool proof First scumread of the day too! The Kenpachi method only works if the person questioning it actually tries to paint the original poster as scum. Balla asked it in a curious way rather than look for an opening. Why is the fact that he misused said method scummy? Why did your 1st scumread get no pressure after this even though there was plenty said and he even did a few things. Also why is me being curious->townie? That doesn't really make sense considering if it's genuine curiousness why wouldn't I ask the same question as scum? Because scum wants to call people that aren't scum scum. I've used the same method myself. Making something out of nothing is what scum have to do, whereas town has little motivation for it. As for why he got no pressure; it's because I found Palmar more interesting by the time I got back, so I pursued that instead. I also came around on Prplhz simply for the amount of attention he was drawing to himself, which I find atypical of his scum game, though that's based on a small sample. What about me being curious -> townie? You gave an easy townread for me just asking a simple question.
Town wants to know why someone does something. Scum wants to call someone scum. You went for the former approach rather than seize an easy opportunity to call someone scum over it.
On February 21 2014 06:48 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:41 Balla24 wrote:On February 21 2014 06:36 suki wrote:On February 21 2014 06:25 Balla24 wrote:
What suki? Isn't what marv said basically the same thing as I said, I gave specifics of what I was referring to but it's essentially the same point. Can you spell it out for me cuz I don't know what you're talking about here. -_-; Basically my whole point with that post was that Koshi would most likely do all that stuff YOU were pointing that you thought was scummy out as town rather than as scum. Marv is saying the same thing. Yet you're trying to say you disagree with me but you agree with marv. Here's what I said Show nested quote +
I think he is scummy because he is not analyzing people, not pressuring people and generally just calling people scum or town randomly and making it known he's going to be sheeping.
The fact that he's not analyzing and not pressuring people I still think is true. Calling people scum or town randomly and saying he's going to sheep, I now think is more townie on koshi, so my read here changed. I see now that you were saying the same thing where I said 'I disagree', but I don't think this game resembles last game the way you're making it out to be. But my case was shit so the end result is I agree with you and marv that Koshi looks townie for his play thus far.
You still think he's not analyzing and pressuring people, but you think he looks townie for his play? Can you explain this to me?
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I have no idea how to read Kush. Pls help. He never explains any of his reads as either alignment so I'm at a loss.
I'm feeling town on Balla right now. He's pressuring people for his own reasons rather than sheeping town sentiment. When Suki put words in his mouth, he corrected her in a way that makes me feel he's confident in why he believes the things he believes.
On February 21 2014 08:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 08:40 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:Pg 25-27 On February 20 2014 22:51 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:35 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 22:31 Palmar wrote:
Toad who is scum and why is it you? I just got back in here finished reading... give me some time but it's actually up in there if you consider the fact that it's a write-up while reading and things changing a little On February 20 2014 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 14:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Toad how do these two comments go together? They go together as "#1 didn't cross my mind at that time because I have no idea how someone could come up with it, so I didn't take it into consideration before you mentioned it. Once you did mention it I figured it's possible" wait wait wait. what? "why didn't you think it's blue? - I have no idea what blue is, so I thought it might be green or yellow and thought that's weird, once you explained what blue is I realized it might be blue" So you are saying you didn't know how i came up with what i did after i said in thread why i came up with it. Explain to me where in your opinion i explain why i came up with what i did. In other words, what happened between the posts of your i quoted? no I'm saying I didn't have the same misunderstanding you had about the phrasing, therefore what you innitially thought didn't cross my mind and wasn't part of my theories what you might be doing with that plan of yours. Once you cleared up that you thought those votes would add up I realized it might make sense given that misunderstanding. I just never had that misunderstanding to begin with which is the reason I couldn't make sense of it. My problem is this. And now, please answer this properly and in detail: You make a post which says this: On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:
@rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. Then there is something that happens between here because you then say this: On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Now what is that something that happens between these posts? Why do you change your mind and what's the particular post that makes you change your mind? You asked me about my reasoning earlier on. The first part is talking about my stance on you and how I got to that stance from my PoV before you did this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So here we go (marv i would have expected a bit more from you, i am sad):
There are three possibilities about my motives and here they are:
1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate.
However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at.
2) I did the same pro-town thing as mafia.
3) I just made all this up and and i was just saying shit for no reason at the start of the game.
Now here is my question, especially to prplhz, Toad, Palmar and suki;
Why did you not try to see what i was/am trying to do and how that would make me whatever alignment. What you did is you took some posts from me and painted them scummy without no thinking behind it. I want to know why.
If what i was doing was (1), then i am town.
If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment.
If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly.
So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad?The second part you're quoting is explaining how I realized that your explanation (the above post) makes sense if we take the misunderstanding as a given, which I did not consider before you cleared it up simply because I did not have that same misunderstanding. Toad's explanation regarding the Rayn plan has left me with more question marks than anything. His initial comment doesn't specify anything about how it's about his reads without the explanation, especially since he referred to the comment as "can't be #1" which indicates he read the actual arguments, yet it's supposedly about his explanation as to why he thought Rayn was scum. It feels to me like a reason he thought of after the events. Not going to push it as per marv's proposal. On February 20 2014 23:09 marvellosity wrote:On February 20 2014 23:08 Palmar wrote:
I really like prplhz's point about koshi, don't you marv? doesn't it make you all warm inside? no, it's exactly the kind of thing Koshi would do as town more than mafia, he'd be more careful as mafia. Don't you think Koshi would know how you're likely to respond to this? It's fairly clear to anyone reading games that carelessness is seen as town. With someone as forthcoming with their thoughts as Koshi usually is, I don't find it unlikely at all. It's an easy way to look town without putting much effort in the game, and Koshi abhors playing scum. On February 21 2014 08:14 suki wrote:
CuteFluffyPuppy, why do you think this 'bravado' line of action is more likely to come from scum Koshi than town Koshi?
What scum objectives do you perceive Koshi having in his posts? Because Koshi does not like playing scum. The way he's playing is the laziest way to still get read as town. I think a town Koshi would take the opportunity to do a more thorough read and get a good read on some players. He hasn't really tried. Koshi's objective is to get read as town with the least amount of effort. It's extremely difficult to look "naturally" careless. I've played more scumgames than anyone else on TL Mafia and I have an exceptional record and I can't really do it.
You have different standards though. For a player like Kush, it'll be easy to look naturally careless. Everything is always relative.
On February 21 2014 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay this answer is scum.
marv is mafia.
##unvote
#vote: marvellosoty
OH GOD THIS IS SO GOOD!
Why would you go afk after this? Rayn please.
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Also I'm never doing this again. That was way too much effort.
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@Balla I don't know if your meta case holds water because it's easier to be a town leader in a newbie game rather than in a game that is partially occupied by vets. When someone like Rayn or Marv comments on your ideas and call them shit, you're more likely to adapt than when Newbie43 whom has no authority says maybe the ideas aren't great. I don't think Suki received the amount of pressure in her newbie game to warrant using that as an accurate tell. The situations feel incomparable.
I'd like to hear which posts by Suki make you feel she's clearly town.
As for Kush, I remember him asking a host in a game before participating if he would be allowed to play with one post a day. He's also had large filters as scum before. Activity is not a scumtell for Kush. I think the strongest thing that makes Kush scum is the contradiction on what Marv saw earlier.
Happy with the Toad case. Could lynch for sure. Oats looks awful as well. He always does but he looks extra awful this game.
On February 21 2014 17:46 Koshi wrote:
CuteFluffyPuppy: this might be very coincidental but when I got heat he suddenly was on pages on which I was scummy and he said so, and then when marv got his little bit of heat CFP just had a quote in which he found marv scummy. I guess this guy needs to be read in his filter. Because reading him in the thread is just dumb because he is not following the flow. Which is actually scummy because the only person I remember doing this like this was BH as a smurf. And he was scum.
I'm actually doing what Promethelax did in the original Shadow game because I felt it was a good method to catch up and show your reads as you develop them. Basically catching up for discussion I missed. It hasn't actually got me many scumreads to work with, but if it provides my thought processes and allows me to process the thread better, it's already worth it.
On February 21 2014 19:41 Palmar wrote:
Btw this is the most boring smurf I've ever seen. Goddamnit smurf.
Sorry to disappoint 
Don't like Toad's return into the thread. He said he was going to check out Shadow game, yet he responds to my post and drops his Balla read.
On February 21 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
ok, just carrying on looking through Smurf's filter. The biggest problem I have at the end of it is that after all his catchup posts he actually has no conclusions about anything, at all.
I have no real idea what Smurf thinks about anything.
That's because I didn't really have any scumreads at the end. Strongest suspicion was on Suki. Currently it's on Toad. Too many scummy things, something that happened in Shadow as well yet everyone decided to not lynch him for it. The contradiction and his focus on defending himself, calling you a liar but not scum, all counts in for it.
##Unvote
##Vote Toadesstern
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On February 21 2014 23:31 Koshi wrote:
CuteFluffyPuppy
ARE YOU THE STRAY KITTEN???
It is a mystery.
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On February 21 2014 23:34 marvellosity wrote:
CuteFluffyPuppy - could you tell me in what way Oats looks particularly bad this game compared to normal please?
He just seems to be going off anything in the thread. His suspicion on Balla was out of nowhere. Doesn't care about his initial scumreads of which Balla wasn't one of then votes Balla for one post which he doesn't explain despite having harped on about why I'm scum for quite a few posts and instantly drops it once it doesn't gain any traction.
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On February 21 2014 23:38 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 23:31 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:On February 21 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
ok, just carrying on looking through Smurf's filter. The biggest problem I have at the end of it is that after all his catchup posts he actually has no conclusions about anything, at all.
I have no real idea what Smurf thinks about anything. That's because I didn't really have any scumreads at the end. Strongest suspicion was on Suki. Currently it's on Toad. Too many scummy things, something that happened in Shadow as well yet everyone decided to not lynch him for it. The contradiction and his focus on defending himself, calling you a liar but not scum, all counts in for it. ##Unvote
##Vote Toadesstern ![[image loading]](http://aznbadger.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/exploding-head.gif?w=406)
I thought suki and Toad were suspicious, but I didn't have a strong inclination at the time which was why my vote was on myself. Is that so strange?
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On February 21 2014 23:59 marvellosity wrote:
what isn't? A massive catchup followed by no-one he wanted to vote for except he apparently did have suspicions.
You said yourself that we should give the Toad thing a rest and I agreed. I asked Suki a few questions after as well, but those didn't end up leading anywhere.
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On February 22 2014 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, in short, Oats attacked Palmar earlier for not checking Oats' meta and seeing that Oats plays scummier as town
Now Oats says he looks better and so smurf is mafia for trying to lynch him, when surely if Oats looks better he's more likely to be mafia, according to his own self-description of meta
If Oats actually looks scummier as town then I'd find it more likely he's town here. However, the fact that he brought up this meta himself and then proceeds to call my read bad when he has said he's basically playing to his scum meta is pretty damning.
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On February 22 2014 00:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 00:12 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:On February 22 2014 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, in short, Oats attacked Palmar earlier for not checking Oats' meta and seeing that Oats plays scummier as town
Now Oats says he looks better and so smurf is mafia for trying to lynch him, when surely if Oats looks better he's more likely to be mafia, according to his own self-description of meta If Oats actually looks scummier as town then I'd find it more likely he's town here. However, the fact that he brought up this meta himself and then proceeds to call my read bad when he has said he's basically playing to his scum meta is pretty damning. I want him to come back and defend himself/shout at me. Will be v disappointed if that's his one post -> afk
Speaking of people coming back, I'm still waiting for Rayn to come back and explain his vote on you as well as if he thinks Kush only doesn't read the thread as a certain alignment.
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Suki, what's your current read on me and why?
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Oats what's the most recent game you rolled scum in? Your profile says doctor who (which was a theme game so it isn't really comparable) but have you really not rolled scum since then?
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On February 22 2014 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
PYP: LoL
Another theme game, bleh.
Any normal games?
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