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marvellosity
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On February 25 2014 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did anyone even read Balla's case and how bad it is? Or Oats' case? If you can make a coherent case on Balla, that would be nice. I'm wary through sheer activity and effort tbh even though there's bad stuff (i pointed some out). Koshi is very anti-balla-scum. If you think Balla is mafia then do something convincing <3 | ||
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On February 23 2014 04:28 Balla24 wrote: On rayn: Look I don't understand what people are misunderstanding about my attack on rayn, the main main reason I'm scum on rayn is because he comes back into the thread after an unexplained vote on marv and goes HAM on suki/marv/me with very very little reasoning. I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. He had a reasonably good town read from most people before this, so it's a decent way to spend that as scum. He then went on to misrepresent my case on toad by ignoring key points: I already pointed out how he was misrepresenting it during the moment here: + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2014 05:13 Balla24 wrote: If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced. 2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1) 3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else. That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls. ##vote raynpelikoneet Everything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is. I also think his vote on suki is a total cop-out and he had no intention of lynching either of us: the votes were something like Toad(7):me, suki, marv etc etc Balla(3): toad, oats, sidesprang Suki(1):rayn Why wouldn't he have tried to get me lynched, especially AFTER our exchange in which he thought was so bad. All he did was chainsaw defend toad and then leave a useless vote on suki. If this was really town rayn and he actually thought I was scum he would have gone HAM on me after that exchange and tried to get me lynched so hard. Instead he gives up, "lynch toad idc". I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for): Completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. Let's look at what town rayn had to say about kush doing nothing in normal mini: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence. On January 21 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i have on kush is what i have said. He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not. On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm. On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying anything like that. I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place. You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum. When kush didn't have any reasoning for his reads. How is this game not similar for kush? Especially on day1, his reasonings were so non-existent. Other people already pointed out how rayn was light pushing kush earlier in the day too so town-reading him at that point was somewhat contradictory. Last thing: This is in response to toad. He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. ESPECIALLY after our back and forth. 1) I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. : Well then you don't believe it, wtf am i supposed to say? Yes i did believe suki is mafia, yes i did believe you are mafia. I explained why i thought so. 2) I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for) completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. I explained my townread on kush. It was because i didn't think he would say he would quit mafia if Toad is town in case Toad was actually town which i also did believe. You don't buy it? Well shit, then there is nothing i can say. 3) He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. Yes you are, i explained how. Only after i did so you started doing things like you do as town - not defending me for no reason, posting more, etc. And no i wouldn't. I would not because when marv is pushing a lynch there is nothing you can do about it. Also i did not give a shit. So, i have actually explained everything you ask me to explain. If you don't think my explanations are good enough that's another thing and there is nothing i can do about it. So how about you cut the fucking bullshit and stop the "you need to explain this and that"? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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You brought up shit like "i can see the reasoning behind her reads, you are bad because you can't". Well the reasons were not what you thought, and they were bad. So you had no intention to figure out her actual reasoning, you just said right things. Things you can't possibly know they are right if you are town. So you are either mafia or playing really bad because you assume things you should not assume in the first place. You are not trying to figure out things, you just assume something and say stuff based on that. And it makes sense from mafia pov if you switch the word "assume" with "know". | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. : Well then you don't believe it, wtf am i supposed to say? Yes i did believe suki is mafia, yes i did believe you are mafia. I explained why i thought so. 2) I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for) completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. I explained my townread on kush. It was because i didn't think he would say he would quit mafia if Toad is town in case Toad was actually town which i also did believe. You don't buy it? Well shit, then there is nothing i can say. 3) He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. Yes you are, i explained how. Only after i did so you started doing things like you do as town - not defending me for no reason, posting more, etc. And no i wouldn't. I would not because when marv is pushing a lynch there is nothing you can do about it. Also i did not give a shit. So, i have actually explained everything you ask me to explain. If you don't think my explanations are good enough that's another thing and there is nothing i can do about it. So how about you cut the fucking bullshit and stop the "you need to explain this and that"? See rayn that's all you had to do like seriously. Now I know that you think you did exactly all that stuff and I can check it. When you just generically say "I explained everything!!!" what am I supposed to do? When I look I didn't find anything that's why I bring it up in the first place. The only thing you could have done better in that post is quote exactly where you explained each of these things. 1) Fair enough, now why is it not reasonable for me to think that because I don't think you should have these reads on suki and I that you are mafia? I could be wrong, but it's totally reasonable for me to have this opinion about you. 2) I finally see the post because you specifically said it exists! 3) Looking through your filter I still don't see where you explained my meta and how I am playing towards it and when I started changing it etc. This would be your opportunity to quote exactly where. If it's just where you quote your case from NMM1 then I guess I think that its just unreasonable for you to think I was playing towards my scum meta at that point since it was very very early AND I had played 2 new town games that you don't take into account. See how a perception of someone can change based on how they interact. Your stubbornness blew up my scum read of you which lead to your scum read of me, when all you had to do was put a little effort into it to dispell my points against you if you really thought it was that bad. | ||
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Balla24
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On February 25 2014 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: And only after suki kill you start going "look how wrong rayn was on suki".- Well fucking everyone thought she was mafia, other than you. I think that's a bullshit reason to call me mafia (being wrong) and you are using something that is not scummy to attack me. In fact you are fucking scummy because of it as i don't see how you could possibly think suki is town. You brought up shit like "i can see the reasoning behind her reads, you are bad because you can't". Well the reasons were not what you thought, and they were bad. So you had no intention to figure out her actual reasoning, you just said right things. Things you can't possibly know they are right if you are town. So you are either mafia or playing really bad because you assume things you should not assume in the first place. You are not trying to figure out things, you just assume something and say stuff based on that. And it makes sense from mafia pov if you switch the word "assume" with "know". Sorry rayn but that's not what I said about suki and again you are misinterpreting misreading or something here because it's not at all what I was saying. You were bringing up the fact that suki is jumping from case to case to case, and saying she has no reasoning for SWITCHING like that. I was saying, jumping from case to case to case is suki's town meta. You countered by saying she doesn't have any conviction with her cases though and has no reasoning for switching, which I THEN countered by saying she DOES has reasoning and its pretty clear with the context on why she is switching. I said its unreasonable for you NOT to think the same way as me because you played with me and her in NMM1 which is where she started that. But seriously, thank you for actually having a discourse with me, it is much more pleasurable then our dumb arguments before. I don't know what's so wrong about that. On February 25 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: You actually did the same thing with me on D1. You assume you know what my reasoning behind something is, and defend me for it. When i call you out on that (because that's what you do as mafia), you start attacking me. Fishy fucking much? Look dude, what do you want me to do? You dropped a vote on marv completely unexplained, I tried to understand what you were doing and I posted it in the thread, I wasn't defending you whatsoever. I thought I saw what you were doing and it turned out it wasnt that at all, so when you start going ham off of it then it shoots off red bells for me because I didn't expect you to do that whatsoever. | ||
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On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. Then i quoted a post from NMM as Toad asked me to elaborate more. After that you started posting. | ||
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Then you can lynch Oats. | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then i quoted a post from NMM as Toad asked me to elaborate more. After that you started posting. Fair enough. So you did what Toad did which is analyze my meta based on the first 24 hours of the game. I don't think that's fair in the long run, but scum reading me at that point is totally reasonable. | ||
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